REX HEUERMANN & ASA: COLLUSIVE OR ELUSIVE MARRIAGE? with Psychologist Dr John Matthias
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John Matthias is a licensed clinical and forensic psychologist with 30 years' experience in both clinical and forensic work. He serves as an expert witness for the federal government and has consulted on numerous high-profile cases for District Attorney's offices and defense attorneys in several states.
He has appeared in documentaries and long form newscasts, and hosts the popular Hidden True Crime Podcast with his journalist wife Lauren Matthias.
In the forensic area, Dr. Matthias has developed expertise in personality assessments, hidden behavioral motivations, complex trauma and criminal psychology. In the clinical realm, he has worked with numerous victims. He received his Master's degree in Marriage, Family and Child counseling, as well his doctorate degree, from the University of Southern California.
Dr. Matthias graduated with honors in philosophy from Princeton University, and he won the prestigious McCosh Thesis prize while there. In high school he graduated valedictorian from a large public high school in Chicago where he was chosen to participate in a ground-breaking valedictory study that continues to this day.
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I know you're married and use to correcting and interrupting him at home but it's very distracting at least to me when I'm trying to listen to your husband's analysis. I'm not in any way saying that your reports are important. It's just that his are so deep and difficult to understand that being interrupted often just isn't a good thing 😕 Sorry. I do love your lunch reports especially!!
@@HiddenTrueCrimeI don't think these ppl were referring to his wife but to the wife of the other man who came over with another girl and his wife..
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When I heard that Asa's first reaction to Rex being arrested was "It is what it is" has always stuck with me. My interpretation to this statement is that it eluded to some knowledge on her part of his crimes with no surprise...
A woman running naked and terrified from your house isn't normal.
It's an allegation.
@@SamStone1964We could make the argument that everything is currently an allegation given Rex has not has his day in court. That said, at this point it’s not beyond the realm of possibility.
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Correct.
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I fully agree! 🫶🏼
Couldn’t agree more. 💕
One thing that's weird is that Asa's hair was on duct tape and people say "well, it's her house." Lori Vallow's hair was on duct tape, and people saw that as guilt.
Great observation.
Just because the Prosecution presented it, it doesn't mean the jury gave it any weight. To me it was one piece of evidence I didn't consider to be very strong. It would have made sense that Lori's hair was on JJ's pajamas and then transferred to the tape.
I thought that it was a safe for the weapons in his basement.
Agree a 100%
And patsy ramseys jumper fibres were on the duct tape and in the garotte but that was explained away by team ramsey because she lived in the house. I just think if someone's clothes fibres, hair, dna etc is found on a victim they should be thoroughly investigated
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A bit off topic, I know, but after watching this episode, I listened to new statement from the victims lawyer. I was shocked to hear that the man from the swingers couple was a NYC police officer - a detective! And, although this couple drove the s*x worker to Rex’s house, the detective had no intention to take her back to the city. When she ran out after them, scared and desperate, the man tried to placate the woman with “don’t worry, they are just playing a game”. Absolutely shameful. I hope the potential cover up from the police side will be addressed. How many officers knew about the swinging house just a few miles away from the victims graves?!
Wtf
Yeah, I thought the same. Human trafficking with law enforcement/swinger involvement.
Really makes me think the cop knew what was up.
I think Karen was brought there to be tortured. Who knows ….maybe the men were not gay and just using that as a cover to torture Karen. And who would believe a hooker on drugs implicating a cop? I can’t say if the cop knew whether Karen was going to be murdered but I do think Rex had some friends that were participating in torture. And probably murder… maybe that’s why the police had no interest whatsoever in finding the killer…it might Implicate some of them?
These are allegations and not verified facts. That attorney is not retained by any of the four victim's families.
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The criminal complexity of this case is increasingly fascinating as evidence is slowly revealed. So multilayered with corrupt police and sex workers, the dynamic of Rex and Asa's swinging relationship and Rex's need for domination. Dr John does a great way of breaking it all down so it becomes digestible.
Asa and Rex have ruined their daughters life along with the ungodly crimes he committed.
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Just heard that Asa has secured a $1,000,000 deal with the Peacock channel for the rights to this story. Just disgusting 🤮
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YES!
I don't think Asa is as helpless as people imagine. She immediately hired a lawyer for herself and her daughter. She also filed for divorce within a few days of Huermann's arrest. One of the police officials quoted her as saying "it is what it is" after learning of the charges against her husband. Her disheveled appearance made her seem more of a victim than what she really is. If the witness account of Karen Vergatta (RIP) proves to be true, Asa was home while Karen frantically ran outside naked. I can't imagine the terror Karen must have felt. Again, if the witness account is true, ***k Asa.
I absolutely agree.
I agree she knew things and should have reported or intervened with the Vergata situation-BUT keep in mind we have the police participating in this tryst, and know Commisioner Burke was also involved in sex parties and abusing sex workers. The swinger cop seemed to have made a deal with Heuerman to leave Vergata there. Asa may not have been able to call the police since they were in on this scene, and she had no protection. However, agreed in this day, with the police seeming to be under new leadership-she could have gone to somebody about what she knew. It will be interesting to find out more about all this, and hope for justice to be served for all victims, including officers like the one who was paid off to abandon Vergata.
@@prototoy4360 valid points. I also wonder if she had no inclination to tell the cops even after the change over because she would have implicated herself.
Didn’t police confirm that Asa was travelling at the times of the disappearances of the victims?
@@ThriveCollective1188 Yes. But that is just for 3 murder victims.
Asa had a disturbing lack of curiosity with respect to what was occurring around her.
Not being curious was literally probably her way of denying the red flags.
Her lack of scandal probably saved her life...I think she was aware that she was in danger intuitively but gaslit to f@ck !!!
@@octopuszoo2027she never expressed even an iota of concern or sympathy for the victims or their family members. She's disgusting.
Asa and her carton conferences..sickening.
A variation of Stockholm syndrome🤔?!
I feel terrible for the female swinger that came forward!! I cannot imagine having that last image of Karen running scared & nude outside and leaving her there to be murdered! Especially after comforting her and ensuring she was safe. So sad! Also the wife was home that night!!!
I do not understand leaving.
@@KDSima Me neither. February 14, 1996, was a Wednesday. At that time if I am not mistaken both Rex and his wife worked. Odd day to have a Valentine's Day party that went into the night! I would think they would at least wait till the weekend. Also, they only have one bathroom (from the info I gathered). A swinger party seems like it would get messy and need more bath facilities - just saying. Usually, swinger parties require couples only to participate. I think Karen was viewed as a disposable person and set up. If this is all true, it is very tragic.
@@twovirginiacats3753 Good points.
I don’t understand leaving either.
@@KDSimaI don’t understand being this way sexually or doing these parties but I don’t blame her for leaving, she trusted her cop partner 😢 all so sad. I wonder where the kids were
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There was one sex worker who claimed to have serviced Rex 20 times and she said he was always respectful and treated her well. I wonder what made her different from the victims in his eyes…
Interesting
I think it’s strategic- “I can’t be a murderer etc, look at all the women who I engaged and they’re okay!” And it’s a process of hidden crime, you cannot always act on your desires and evade capture .
@@MarianneOz I understand this argument but it assumes that he anticipates getting caught. I theorize that either he knew she had a close network, which would be too risky for him OR there was just something about her personality or the quality of service she provided that spared her. I’m sure we’ll hear from her during trial.
I’d over to hear from her
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When asa made a the comment when Rex got arrested she came out very nonchalant when she said it is what it is that's a red flag to me
I remember footage of that - I interpreted it as despondency and her just providing an answer to get members of the press off her back.
She was nonchalant because she was shocked and or think, good, now I can get away from this hell without being murdered too. RH likely had threatened her by threatening her son was, if she was, her reason for participating in a sex act with him...
In all sincerity, how is it Asa's hair is found on not 1, but 2 bodies and she isn't being arrested? I hope they find more evidence if she's involved, Asa makes all my spidey senses tingle.
I was thinking about that too. I think that if she was out of the country visiting her family he might have felt comfortable taking the victims to his home. Locards theory of transfer says they would pick up fibers from the home. The residents would all shed hair, skin, and other dna in their own home, so it is entirely plausible.
Well, she was allegedly involved in the “swinging”. So she would of had some physical contact
Why there are no hairs from animals or the two kids living at the house? Burlap is a fabric that grabs everything on the way. I am sure the police is investigating her as well. Maybe she wasn’t there for some murder, but for others.
Yes!!! 100% she is involved!!!!
Their daughter's hair was found on one of the victims. Should she be arrested too?
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Just popping this here while i think of it. Someone mentioned one of the swinging incidents happened a couple of months before they were married? If this is true, he may have met her through that lifestyle and she may have felt like she was consenting and he pushed boundaires? Or he pushed boundaries when she wasnt around to see. Thats giving her the benefit of the doubt that she isnt straight out aware of what was happening in her house to these girls.
Asa's attorney stated they met when they were 18.
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What a scary person. No one was safe from him.
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Interesting developments. Consenting adults are one thing. Being blind to highly sus behavior is another. I will be following for more information.
Divorce could be to get some money before lawsuits
Great point
Yep and she's going to continue to distance herself from the case.
There's a HUGE difference between being a swinger and being a murderer. Asa might've been totally into the swinging, but that doesn't necessarily mean that she was involved in the murders themselves, or in any criminal activity per se.
Great episodes on Mormon stories Lauren! Loved your collab with Annie Elise too. You two have the best insights!
I'm think maybe Rex wife filed for divorce to cover her tracks
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I have been reading about Heuermann with some amazement and disbelief as I am a practising Architect with a small firm and not quite sure how he found the time, energy, ability and wherewithal to pursue these antics and crimes whilst running a small firm. I'm usually seeing clients on the weekends to discuss new work and check progress etc. I can only imagine that the drive to carry out these misdeeds must have been all-consuming & controlling for him. I usually need a nap after my Sunday morning cycle to relax.
That's an interesting consideration. Agreed running your own business can be intense. Maybe depends on the specialization? His firm advised on building codes. The consulting or project bid would be more about complexity of knowledge than volume or design. His adult daughter worked for him which may have reduced his individual input requirements. He also had more than one revenue stream for himself and coming into the house from immediate family which afforded some freedom. Another point is maybe his activities are not about energy but about addiction and/or obsession which has its own fuel. He apparently liked to power trip whatever he was doing. When your work is play, you can play your life away.
@@mtaylor7307 I think your point about addiction and obsession sums it up perfectly - it's about a drive which controls everything and all else is subsidiary. I suppose in a way it's like being an alcoholic or drug addict except for the fact that innocent people are being killed which makes it terribly heinous. He is a large bloke and I imagine quite capable of causing violent damage which makes it even more sad.
@@fredperry523 Yes, it was scary to see how much larger he was than the law enforcement arresting him. Scary because his victims currently known were petite women. Powerless wasn't as much fun for him as absolutely powerless.
A 20 year study released about sex offenders in prison in the US reported that for all offenders that power over another person was "the kick" for them be it over an adult or child. Underneath it all the offenders also felt they were powerless themselves and found their predation a form of regaining control.
His specialization in work seemed also about control...extremely detailed about codes may have given him the feeling of "expert" with superiority by comparison to his clients. I don't see his efforts as collaborative experiences. He told clients what could and could not be done regarding complicated NY regulations.
I'm 62 years of age. Sitting here, I can think of five good friends through the years that either took a short or long ride on the freak train. I can remember people pointing out homes and recounting stories while passing neighborhoods. Not my thing, but I was a listener while they recounted memories of sex parties or encounters that occurred in the 70s and 80s. I am well aware that these kinds of events happen in both urban and rural America. I'm also aware that the people involved could be professionals or blue collar. Many of these parties involved drugs and alcohol. Some of my friends would swing with spouses or partners. It happens more frequently than what some people may think. This is certainly a lifestyle that my parents and grandparents couldn't comprehend. My friends had particular memories for the wealthy or well-educated people that they encountered (physicians and business owners).
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Lori Vallows hair was on the tape of her dead child. She got charged with the crime.
Asas hair was on the burlap of the dead women. Will she be charged with a crime??
Lori Daybell had numerous burner phone text in evidence which incriminated her and her accomplices.
Also, many witnesses against Lori gave testimony.
Asa's daughter's hair was found on a victim. Should she be charged with a crime?
Loris hair was between layers of tape and not just on the edges
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Interesting that a cop was swinging with them and there was also a corrupt police problem in that area that wasn't investigating the murders at the time
Exactly!
Sounds like he had a cop picking out girls for him, js
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@@TalLeGal can we assume Shannon was taken to a swingers party?
Not Suffixs omg. It is Suffolk.
The timing of Asa’s “vacations” seem to be awfully coincidental. 🤔
I can see why that may raise a flag but to me that just means he took advantage of an opportune time
Or he sent her away so he could have his “freedom”
Reminds me of the Vallow/Daybell case: trips are arranged for alibi purposes.
They dont know the exact date of the remains, so how do they know what exact date the remains , or exact date of death ?
@@pearlskid8425or she participated at first and didn’t want to be around for future killings
I would like to know if the wife took the kids out of town after he killed the girls so they would not see him taking bodies out of the house. That house is kinda small with that kind of activity going on with kids in the house. There might be a lot more going on in that house than what anyone could imagine. Those kids aren't babies.
If she was so aftraid and felt safe to divorce him, why didn’t she tell the police anything about his obsession with sex workers being that the three he was being arrested for killing were sex workers ???????
She may have told police a ton of info
There are an astounding number of teens and children missing in the greater NY Metro area. There is a lot of local trafficking as I understand. He surely could be tied to some of those cases. Police have been involved with many brothel type operations in the area such as motels and massage parlors, drugs and other. It is frustrating to hear that RH seemed to so easily impersonate an officer, and also hang out with police officers.
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Crazy story gets crazier. Wow!
How did they manage the "children" while having sex workers & swingers at their small house?
Grandmas house???
So many wives give in to letting their husbands visit strip clubs or going with them-bringing it home just another step? I don’t think Asa knew about the murders
Babysitter, no doubt
@emma_t_s that house was Grandma's house, then she moved out. I forget where she moved to but it was a few hours drive away
John ray started with Shannon but he's ALLSO fighting for the others I think John ray is amazing and I commend him for fighting all this time to get justice for the victims
Absolutely agree with you
He has been so badly maligned at times it’s awful
He’s a good person and I admire him to
💯Agree, think local police involvement and cover-up is definitely a part of why Shannan Gilbert is still so denied as a victim. Long may John Ray keep fighting on for these precious souls! Justice for Shannan Gilbert🙏
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I'm from SE Florida, Ft Lauderdale. Back in the late 1990's a man answered my dating ad in the newspaper. We spoke on the phone and he seemed very polite and intelligent. Said he was an artitect. Can't remember what name he used. He wanted to meet me at his house that he said was bare of furniture because he was "transitioning " here. For safety reasons I wanted to meet at a public cafe. So he agreed. When I got there I was horrified to see a huge giant man about 6'5". He was scowling. We went in and sat in a booth. He remained scowling and eerily silent, making me uncomfortable. He finally spoke: " I hate pro lifers" I was active in pro life. As he said this he was staring off in a direction and never locking me in the eye. I instantly felt menace and danger. Every hair on my neck stood up. I jumped up out of the booth and ran to my car. He followed and got in his car. I drove an hour long convoluted way home so he couldn't follow me. I was absolutely terrified! He resembled Rex. I wonder if Rex's work with Catholic Charities brought him to visit Ft Lauderdale?
I saw the John Ray press release. It puts a whole new spin on Asa. However, I will reserve my opinion of Asa until it all falls out in fact. Thank you Lauren and Dr. John for having the most truthful, fact based, information on You Tube true crime channels. I always watch your podcast because you vet your information. That is called integrity. Dr. John’s analysis of these cases is so interesting that I take notes on them because I think it helps all of us understand criminal minds. Keep up the great content. You both are amazing people.
He narcissistic abused her and his family of course he did. If you look at her you can tell he bullied her
What do you make of Asa talking about the destruction of her house by the search? She seemed more upset by that than her husband's victims.
kinda puts asa in a WAYYYYY DIFF LIGHT! BRING HER IN
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That's taking 'turning a blind eye' to a whole new level
I think she knew because I imagine knowing what he is capable of was terrifying. Plus, if LE was involved, what would you expect her to do? How else could this go on for so long? Reports the swinging events had LE involved.
Wasn’t it reported that the home was packed with stuff. Sure looked like it from the videos that were shown. My first impression was that it was a hoarder home. Could that have some bearing on Asa’s mental state?
Brilliant show. I would be interested to know how his relationship was with his daughter. And stepson? Were they aware of his activities?.
Good to hear your insights on this scary case
Most assumed Asa knew nothing. It may be a mistake to assume any involvement was due to coercion & fear.
Agree
I think his wife knows alot more then she's admitting
Thank you for the update.
Q: Several have commented on Asa's quick divorce application. That it seems like an unnaturally quick reaction. If she had no knowledge whatsoever of Rex's hidden life, wouldn't she need more time to be convinced of this, it must have created some disbelief in her mind?
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She probably hates him.
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If she was so afraid if him she could have taken her kids home to visit family & not come back. She did say she was poor & he rescued her from that.
I think she tolerated the sexual deviance but had no idea about the murders. Maybe he funded her trips home to get her out of the way when he planned the murders. We had a serial killer in australia who targeted backpackers & hitch-hikers for many years. His wife had no idea. He buried his victims in the forest. An english backpacker who managed to get away came back to testify, which was hugely important in getting a conviction.
Perhaps because They where married for less than 3 years divorcing in 1987
He’s first murder was 1989
There are several cases of wives who knew nothing about their husband's murders. BTK, Herb Baumeister, The Happy Face Killer, Gary Ridgeway and others. The type that keep up a normal persona and kill in secret, are the ones the wives never suspect. Some are just mean to everyone. They beat and threaten their wives and kids, they're violent and terrifying. Those types, wives suspect, but not the respectable family man type.
Life often isn’t that simple. Apart from her likely not having any means to support herself, such an action could have triggered an international custody battle / interpol involvement.
No interpol in the list case
Wait to see what comes of that
Ps my 1st comment was about the backpack killer Milat
His 1st known victim was after his divorce
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IDK what the wife knew, but I do know missing sex workers don't make the local news at the time they disappear. Asa being out of town is a strong alibi, and where would she have learned of missing sex workers?
Agree doesn’t mean she knew the worst of his behavior, allegedly murdering people. She probably stuck her head in the sand put herself into work, raising kids and survived the best she could in spite of his sex preferences was she dependent on him? Afraid of him? No doubt couldn’t control him. Hope things come out in the trial to shed light on her life & situation. They didn’t find missing sex workers for years so what news would there have been about murdered sex workers when they were last seen? There is a lot she may not know of. With the help of LE suppressing sex worker missing dead or crimes regarding them. For all we know she’s just another victim of RH.
I live on Long Island. There was quite a bit of news about victims being found. Perhaps not the next day but in following weeks and months. Especially as the bodies kept piling up. It was a topic of conversation, especially in the local communities.
@@valentinat3250 When the bodies were discovered it was National News, If I remember right the bodies had been there for years. I try to put myself in that situation and I don't think I would have asked myself “Where was I?”. As a local, did you ask yourself where you were when the victims were placed there?
If it came out that 11 bodies of murdered sex workers were right down the street from your house, it would be impossible not to have heard about it at some point.
@@teraallan Yep national news
Oh wow, Dr. John you just answered my thoughts!
Asa also might have been coercively controlled by her husband, so she may not of fully consented in have taken part in these sex acts. In other words she may have been manipulated into taking part along with being domestically abused by the killer.
The Heuermann house looks to be an older, not very well maintained, small to average sized rancher. I doubt that very much could happen in that house without the residents hearing and knowing what is going on.
My own home is an older 4,400 sq. ft. Rancher and I guarantee you that if there was a swingers sex party, or a murder, occurring, I would know about it. I don’t believe that there are any innocent people here.
The victim card can only be played so far and Asa wasn’t being held hostage.
Fantastic insight as usual!
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Thinking about Asa’s involvement, it seems to me that we should take note of the fact that the swinger incident was purported to have happened fairly early in the marriage. Also, she seems to have been sitting out the activities in favor of chatting with the woman as the men and victim are in a separate space. I wonder if Rex’s steps to hide the identity of some victims was directly related to the possibility that his wife could otherwise recognize those individuals. There seems to be more to suggest that she had some plausible deniability. Probably by design, he insisted on doing certain behaviors with her full knowledge and likely against her wishes. Conversely he hid behaviors from her that might necessitate her immediate need to escape from him, expose him or risk harm or more extreme restrictive control at his hand.
She was probably just full time avoiding him and placating him after so many years of marriage. Maybe those victims right in her own neighborhood served as reminders of what he would do to her if she stepped out of line. I think she escaped him as soon as she could. She’s a survivor.
Allegations. Not facts.
I don't think she was conscious of the crimes, but the fact she wants a divorce and wants to sell the guns kinda implies she knows he's guilty. Perhaps things have gone click and she's made connections...
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The Mormon story episodes were great. Thank you Lauren for bringing in the political aspect. I don’t think you can talk about the rise in crime in that religion without talking about what’s happening in this country politically.
What I wanna know is how the heck did the police not interview her regardless, if the witnesses came forward or not
Wonder if she saw RH taking a mattress down to the basement? Wouldn’t that make you wonder? So many people are making excuses for Asa but no one really knows. She flipped someone off with the world looking, that says something about her to me.
Interesting that hair on duct tape is taken so different with Lori Vallow case.
No one is immune to suspicion
But if you read or watched the press conference you would know the swingers left Karen there with Rex and his wife and that Karen ran out almost naked.
1 affidavit of taxi driver said he yelled 'my mother is dead' but reportedly she is 93 & alive. Early reports said his father was strict military type.
Edit: does he hate his mom? If so, why?
Doesn’t mean he didn’t lie .He’s a serial killer . The are manipulative as anything.
@@tinazaccagna1459 oh I should have clarified. I do think it was him. I just find his reaction about his mother interesting. I think he hates her for not protecting him.
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Protecting him from his father?
@@SamStone1964 that's my guess. Why else would he have such a visceral reaction and lie to a stranger claiming she was dead. Was she dead in his mind? Or did he wish she was dead?
We do not know what his childhood was like. Was he sexually abused as a child? Was he bullied? Rex is a SEX ADDICT… doesn’t mean he is gay with other men… it means it’s a sexual avenue… and like addicts, they have to get higher and higher… same with this man. It’s not right, however, what we allow in childhood ,messes one up in adulthood. CHILDREN LIVES MATTER… let’s protect all our children.
His wife… she knew, and possibly was in denial. I do not think he was abusive to her, she had choices, as well as a temper the way she went after the public, the police, and getting her guns back. She was their as Rex made a good living, and she really didn’t care. His daughter was close to him. The fact they lived filthy and as hoarders , is also an addiction. Says a lot about both Mom and Dad. Those poor children.