Will Jonas Vingegaard EVER BE THE SAME AGAIN? (RECOVERY UPDATE)
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- Опубликовано: 7 май 2024
- Jonas Vingegaard was back on his bike after a long on recovery from a severe crash in the Tour of the Basque Country earlier in the year.
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I would never doubt what Jonas can do. Until last year's Vuelta, I didn't like or cheer for him. However, he really showed what an unselfish teammate he was. He seems like a good guy and is modest.
I also love these things about him. Too many people say he’s boring or has no personality, but I just don’t agree. Remember when TJV finally decided Sepp would be official GC for the Vuelta, he immediately went into domestique mode.
@@camillelively yeah after stealing stages and the optics looked like ass. always an excuse to steal a stage toddlers bday check. buddy in low speed car crash check. he is a douche
@@dylangrantz8124 I...huh? I would respond to this but it just makes no coherent sense. So...ok. Enjoy your day!
@@camillelively Um, yeah. I'm with you. Don't let the trolls steal your good nature.
@dylangrantz8124 Dont be an ass yourself Dylan...Remember how he let Van Aert win the TT to Rocamadour in 2022..
I do not think his injuries are in the same league as Froomedogs or Bernal's . Its just the healing process . He looks in good nick weight wise . Confidence might be an issue possibly. Nothing to lose really . He either comes back great or is off a bit . No body would judge a below par showing and be to critical .
What I think and will happen is he will comeback stronger!!!
From your lips to God’s ears. I hope you are correct.
I like the optimistic take you have.
@@scottsefton294lol
I had a similar crash a few years ago with similar injuries, and recovery was pretty smooth and quick. When I crashed broke my hip and femur, that was a longer recovery, but I got back and stronger even after that.
That is hopeful Robert!
Even small injuries can derail you for that season. Even Pog's broken hand last year messed up his training schedule before TdF. So you never know and teams and riders will not disclose the real truth before a big event.
I have come to really appreciate this guy, I hope he gets well soon. Maybe the Vuelta would be a great starting point...
I think he should look after himself and bugger the bloody Tour de France if he's not really ready to compete You only have one body you only have one life.
Agreed, look after yourself and your career
There'll be pther Tours, no.point doing it half assed against Pog
I smell scared Pogi fanboy all over this comment :)
Your sense of smell sucks
he has so much money i dont think he needs to feel pressure
@@Proranis huh ?
Get well, really well, young man. The rest may wait.
Thankyou so much for the update. I had heard nothing since his crash. Good recovery Jonas!
So fast back on the bike! Actually, I think he will come back even stronger!
Each recovery is different and mostly mental and difficult to control. I hope for the best.
Age is a factor too.
Visma was my favorite team last season and Jonas was fantastic in so many races until his recent accident, one of the transcendent riders, no question. And I cheer for him to make a full recovery, as I do for all riders, I hate crashes and the injuries they inflict. Yet, given the severity of what Jonas suffered, I think it is great he made this promotional appearance, especially when his rival Tadej is earning all the headlines in Italy, and if he can participate in the Tour, wow, good for him. But wouldn't it be a sort of LeMond in '89 situation, when Greg returned from injury and his greatest rival, Laurent Fignoun, was at the pinnacle of his career? His fans were happy to see Greg back in action, yet expectations were rightfully tempered and any solid performance would have been a success. And we know that he far exceeded expectations and that made his victory even more incredulous and joyous. So I think if Jonas comes into the Tour like that, no expectations, it would be seen as a win for him, a huge step in his recovery and maybe next year for more. 😀
I like your comments. Didn’t you use to race in Northern Virginia in three 80’s?
@@scottsefton294 Thanks for asking, Scott, and yes, I did, a fun pursuit when I was a soldier back then. And cool to see that all these these years later we are still fans of it all. And how about yourself back in the day, what riding were you doing?
@@robbchastain3036 Robb, I was in the Air Force living at Fort Mayer and you introduced me to bike racing. I did some ultra marathon races and then became a Cat 4 criterium racer. We went on a long ride together along the canal to Potomac Md. As I recall, your chain broke 40 miles away from Ft. Mayer. We temporarily fixed it with a coke can tab. You introduced me to the Tour De France in 1985. Hinault won his 5th that year and of course the epic 1986 showdown between him and LeMond. I married a Danish woman so it was easy to become a Vingegaard fan. Hope all is well with you Robb. God bless you!
skip the tour and go to La Vuelta
I hate to see him miss the TDF, but I think I agree. He needs to win the Vuelta sometime in his career anyway.
Is the Vuelta not for Sepp Kuss to lead?
@@DawnWright Are you new to the cycling world? If Jonas doesn’t make it to the start line at the TDF, Visma will need a GC leader, that would be Sepp Kuss . . . as a result, Jonas would more than likely become their GC leader at La Vuelta. Had Jonas not crashed, and say he was to win this years TDF, then Sepp and Jonas would be co-leaders at La Vuelta. They would decide on the road at La Vuelta who would become #1 and #2. Jonas stepped aside for Sepp at the Vuelta last year because he had a stomach bug the first week. Since Sepp had the lead, Visma decided to sweep all three spots on the podium and reward him for years of faithful super domestique service. Very classy move on Visma’s part, though Roglic wasn’t too thrilled.
@@scottsefton294 calm down, Scott.
If skip tour de france boring because tadi not computation
That is good to see Jonas V in good health,recovering and riding . Hopefully he will make full recovery soon and wish him well in future .
Prayers for a speedy recovery for Jonas! Hopefully he will fully recover and continue to be a dominant force in cycling! The Tour de France will not be the same without him.
Good luck Jonas. Best rider over the past few years when peaking for a Grand Tour but Pogi is the best overall rider in the world at the moment.
both Pog and Vin are likeable man we are blessed as fans!
He knows if it’s right to go TDF or not…. What we think is irrelevant… I hope he will recover and knowing jonas is a sensitive and a thinker, I’m confident in the decision he makes. As a Dane I hope he can win if he competes, but I don’t wanna see him struggle and not able to perform. Then it’s better to come back in 2025. Jonas and pogacar is setting the TDF alive and I hope we all can enjoy the spectacle of them competing. It’s a magnificent performance to watch them compete ❤
Why wouldn't he be the same? It's not like he crashed like Froom or Bernal where he had Broken right femur, Broken patella, Broken ribs, Facial fractures, and Punctured lung. Let's go TDF!!!!!
He's a great champion and ambassador for decorum, respect, and character. His legacy will include a comeback from severe adversity as he reaches for the highest levels of the sport.
Pogacar the only one not injured. Looks like he could win the Triple Crown of races with the big 3 out with injuries.
roglic and evenpoel is going and vingegaard is very likely to go
He certainly could, but he has no self discipline and wastes too much energy when he doesn’t need to. He turns his strength into his biggest weakness. He is the most talented rider I’ve seen in my lifetime, but certainly not the best tactician. I think he will be totally burned out after the Giro and TDF. I do expect him to win both of those Grand Tours. His ego will enter the Vuelta and he will get trounced there.
@@tobiasdencker853 Maybe so, but they most likely will not be in top racing form giving the advantage to Pog if he wants to try race all 3 of the big races.
@@scottsefton294 His Achilles heel.
Seems to want to try to win every stage, attempts to sprint up every hill, wants to cross every stage finishing line first.
Thank you. Good luck Jonas.
The boy is from the west coast - His bones are strong by nature - He is a completely different person than the other riders you mention. He also recovers better than most athletes in the world. I believe! 2024
Unless there is a risk for Jonas long term health, I think that he should be at the tour. He has an amazing ability to recover in week 2 and 3, and kind of like Jan Ulrich in the past could bank on riding himself into form. Last year in the time trial it was evident that the relied on a lot of training as he was very precise in how he cut the turns, and there is no doubt that it will hurt him, but winning three in a row is too good to pass up.
He can do it. He has the mental toughness and commitment to excellence mindset that will enable him to return to the level of fitness that has enabled him to excel at the top echelon on cycling. Go Jonas!
The gap between the tour and full recovery is doubtful but I’m sure he’ll be back with full strength 🙂🤞
would love to see him win the Tour this year and beyond and dominate the Tour like Nadal at the French Open.
'Time and no pressure' - yep, that's part of the formula to get back. This won't be his year, but he'll be back. Hard to see a well run top team like Jumbo risking his long term health and viability just to have him on the start line next to someone like Tadej who has so far had a near perfect path to the TDF.
Jonas will Be back and we Will see him i battle With poda years to come! He is the best rider in the World 🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰
I really like Jonas and I would have loved to see the fight between him and Pog at the tour, especially the way he has been riding this year. But I don't think there's any chance he can fight for the victory. His injury this year is a lot worse than Tadej in 2023. Pogi was back on the rollers after only a week, it took Jonas almost a month. I don't think he should do the Tour, he wouldn't be able to compete against such high level for a full three weeks and he is even more likely to have not just one but multiple bad days like Tadej did last year. In my opinion he should fully recover and build up to the final part of the season.
I think he can certainly get ready for the Tour but will not be competing for the win, so it would be better to skip it and focus on the Vuelta and next season
Agree
Just a bump on the Road for Jonas! Jonas for Yellow. 💪
Thank you.
Did your broadcast end with 40 sec for Pogacar to go?? And even if reloaded..it just ended?
Good luck Jonas. You are a legend
Jonas is among my favorites and I hope to see you back and at full power! Like Froome, when I broke my femur, I was never the same, but Jonas is a superhuman with much different wounds and I hope he can overcome.
People are forgetting that vingegaard is 27 and froome was 34
And Vingegaard broke his femur in 2017, not in this crash. This crash had no lower body fractures.
From what I have read, Visma-LAB is not a team that pushes their riders to come back before they are ready. IMO, that means that Jonas will not ride the Tour unless he and the team feel he can do so competitively. In addition, Tadej Pogacar is tearing things up so why risk sending Jonas back too soon if he is not physically ready. IMHO, it might be better for Jonas and Visma-LAB to focus on other goals for the Tour and hold Jonas back for the Vuelta.
Well Tadej Pogacar is burning his candle in both ends and Jonas has been very dominant in week 2 & 3 the last 2 years.
If at all possible Jonas needs to get #3
@@jenspetersen5865 I would love for Jonas to get #3 this year, but I would hate if Jonas is pushed too soon, aggravating his current injuries.
@@jenspetersen5865burning both ends? please, you are witnessing genrational dominance, something Jonas has never been accused of despite winning 2 Tours in a row huh.
@@WanderingSword Generational dominance require that you win the hardest fought races.
Pogi is impressive, but lets hope that Vingegaard is 100% for the TDF
@@WanderingSword They are both called generational talents. Jonas is also very dominant in the races he races.
Rib injuries can be really nasty and take a long time to heal and bond back to the lung material. Also the risk of bacterial Pneumonia in the early stages of healing , he’s done really well to be back on the bike so quickly 👍
It remains to be seen if he can come back as strong; physically and mentally. And, a lot of this relates to how severe his injuries were and the trauma to his body and soul. We've seen a number of injuries in the past, albeit much more severe for example Chris Froome, where the rider, despite incredible and inspirational efforts to comeback, just haven't produced the rider they once were pre-injury. I can't imagine what it takes to go through this, and I hope that not only Jonas but any riders recently suffering injury are able to return to 100% for their sake and our sport. But, history might suggest different.
I think your right, the physical part can be fixed, but measuring the psychological effects are much less easy.
He looked fine in the video update. Unless his longs got damaged, he should be okay and in top form come TDF
J'espère qu'il reviendra à sa meilleure forme !! 😮😢on vera seul l avenir le dira 😊😊🎉bon courage a toi Jonas
if he does not win the tour, then the vuelta must be top target ! kom så Jonas!
(RECOVERY UPDATE) is the key in title. You gave a summary of his riding for the year, thus far. Go to the back of the class for detention.
Oh c’moooon, what kind of title is that? Not a fan of Jonas, but let’s not write him off just yet.
Lol you must be kidding hahaa I am a huge fan
His young age is certainly in his favor. I think he should listen to his body as he pushes it in training. If TDF is out this year for him, then he has a year to prepare for 2025...certainly not what he wants, but might be best. Whatever, I respect him and really appreciate his humility.
hope hope hope he is ok to race his best. Mostly glad he is just ok and alive. But he absolutely is my top guy, even with Pogacar being an insanely pleasant and decent champion, there is just something about the blue collar working class energy from Jonas that i cant help but support and cheer for. fingers crossed, not long now...
Believe his determination to defend his TdF title will serve him well in coming back from recovery.
The best rider man🇪🇷🇪🇷✅
Come on Jonas! He will be back! He is young and strong.
The good thing is that Vingegaard still has six weeks to recover fully, so I expect him to be at the TdF. Whether he will be able to compete through those three weeks at the same performance level as he has in the past two years - only time will tell.
Given that Rog and WVA won't be there as the team's decoys, it won't matter. Pog can just sit on him and ride around him at leisure.
Hope he is fit for the tour we need a good battle
He'll be fine. I've had the same scenario and I'm better than I ever have been and I'm a 60 year old chump! He's a bad ass with all the best resources at his disposal so I say again, he'll be fine.
Get well soon JV. I hope you can compete viciously for TDF 2024. I pray for your health and recovery. True Champion.
It may be a bit too soon for the TdF this year, but Jonas is young enough that he can return to his old form.
That’s one of the most stupid question I have ever heard.
thecyclingdane: “Will Jonas Vingegaard EVER BE THE SAME AGAIN?”
answer: “No! He will be BETTER” . . . “Tell Pogacar that”
Once you win TdF you are forever a legend period.
I think we will see him back to full form next season. I think he should abandon grand tour plans for this season to aid in his recovery and ensure he’s not dealing with any complications.
Really doubt he’d even be competitive in the Vuelta this year but I could be wrong (I hope I am).
With Pogi in dominating form in the Giro, i think for the team's goals and for Jonas it would be wise to pass on the TdF for Jonas and just being ready when he's ready, hopefully for the Vuelta .
Funny aspect, wasn’t Wout injury very similar to Jonas's, as far as we know? Shouldn’t the same question be asked of Wout? I think given time both will be fine. Only Visma LAB will use the tour as a training ride for their superstars.
Big difference is that Wout is not riding for GC. He can pick what stages to save energy and when to spend it. Jonas will not have that luxury. If the GC guys go, he has to go with them.
And as far as I know then Wout's injuries were "only" broken collarbone and ribs. I have not heard anything of him having a punctured lung. It seems that it's the lung that is causing the most doubt about Jonas. It makes sense. You cannot climb well without your lungs being 100%.
@@Soli11there was a broken sternum and a (late detected) pneumothorax on Wout's injury list too. And Jonas didn't have a fully punctured lung by the reports. He had contusion (bruise) and pneumothorax (air in the chest cavity, but not unlikely to be from a fully collapsed lung as they didn't discover it until the day after with Jonas either.)
There's quite a lot of levels of this type of injuries and if the pneumothorax wasn't detected immediately, it likely was on the less severe side of the spectrum.
I think that Jonas will be fine, he will be at his best by the Vuelta for sure.
Jonas is one of the reasons I am a Visma fan. Hope we get to see him at the TDF.
Lets hope not. I want him to take time to recover. And have ride the Vuelta oder TDF 2025.
Never said anything about riding lol
@@gerritlikestohike. I think you’re right,to be competitive after what happened is no mean task. Can’t see him winning the 2024 Tour de France.
Agreed don’t race unless you are completely ready
If he does come back for the TdF, he'll not be in top form, and that's fine.
Also, he may not be 100% forthcoming about how he's doing. He would rather be under-estimated, I think.
Let's look at Wout van Aert, who suffered a similar injury this year. He was back on a bike in 3-4 weeks and is coming back strong. I wouldn't think Vingegaard would be different.
if anyone has a chance at coming back as strong it has to be Jonas. As you point out, Egan Bernal is making inroads into his previous form after a horror crash
he should be fine
Why are you comparing riders with hip/leg/pelvis injuries like Bernal, Froome and Remco (though he has legit come back from that too, as you say) ?!? Why not compare him with Arnaud de Lie's 4JdD crash and recovery last season and all the other riders who have the same type and combination of injuries as Vingegaard? The issues from a lower body injury in cycling are generally not comparable to upper body ones, where the latter normally has much quicker and less problematic recovery rates... Come on guys?
I think a punctured lung is a real problem for him to be challenging at the tour his year. Maybe I am wrong and maybe he shocks the world but I suspect that he will need to focus on next year. It is a shame because Tadej seems to have upped the levels on his end in anticipation of a showdown with Vingegaard and UAE have stacked their team to compete with Visma... I think even Pogacar would admit that he would rather have a fully fit Vingegaard to compete against.
I am encouraged by the recovery of Greg Lemond when he came back from being shot in the back to win his third TDF win. Hopefully, Jonas Vingegaard can come this year.
LeMond’s injury was much worse and he did have to sit out the 1987 TDF. Jonas is on the road in only a month’s time and he was in incredible form at the time of his crash. Only question is will he return to winning form. I think they should hold him for the Vuelta.
Greg lemond had the advantage of being pumped full of steroids, PED’s, and amphetamines
Greg Lemond also came back the year where the unknown anti-anemia drug EPO was released, not on the list of banned substances and when Lemond had magic recovery from anemia during the Giro by - according to Lemond getting injectable vitamins and iron shots...
Epo was in the pelton in 86 onward . Just saying
@@MichaelOprisiusr not sure what this comment has to with topic of Jonas Vingegaard's recovery.
Whether he can compete in the TDF, or win it again, that is what remains to be seen. Those kind of injuries, combined with the massive expectations on him, may make him hold off for a while longer than his fans wish.
Only time will tell
He should do the Tour. But, the team needs to be prepared for not seeing him on the podium. A top 5 might be a good recovery result.
I think he'll be back and strong next year. As long as he didn't permanently damage his lung, I think he'll get back to the same level.
I can't believe you tried drawing a comparison between Egan bernal's crash injuries and Jonas....
Off course. His injuries are not life threatening. They will affect him this season though, and he won't reach the level he otherwise would have had.
Pog is much fitter than last year. With this crash there is no way for him to win the TdF this year. I hope for an epic battle next year.
The most awesome pro rider on planet earth....
He will take the Tour De France title this year as well!
Glad to see you avoided bias, as usual. Great to see him back.
Froome had his best years behind him anyway. Bernal and Vingegaard is the same age as Armstrong was when he won his first TdF and had recovered from cancer, at 27, so they both have a lot of career left.
It's hard to balance between been recovered enough to be competitive in the Tour and the pressure of the team that now has only him as a leader for the Tour. We all want him to be fully recovered and be on the Tour, but what is the best alternative if he's not? Wait until next year, and go to the Vuelta, or go to de Tour anyways, since "anything can happen in the Tour"?
Sepp Kuss and Matteo Jorgensen can step in and compete for a podium finish. Send Wout, Sepp, Utebroeks, Van Barle with Jonas to the Vuelta to win the Red jersey.
He will make a full recovery, his prognosis was nowhere near Bernal or Froome. It's only this season may not be on his level.
I'd rather have a fresh Vingegaard in the Vuelta then a rushed tdf where he loses to pogi and cant restore to the fullest
I think that's a VERY dramatic take on Jonas. He's young, healthy and has access to the VERY BEST rehab in the world. He will be back to dominate, no problem.
Dramatic? 12 days in Hospital 😮
@@mtelectrical8068 He has youth in his side. As an old hag of 60, I do believe that his recuperative powers are at peak. He is also very healthy with a team of highly trained specialists (medical and on the Visma team) to make sure he heals well and properly.
Now it is possible the emotional and mental trauma of the crash may take a bit of a toll on him. Those are things that can't be quantified by anyone but Jonas.
Having said all that, I do hope that he decides to skip the Tour this year as painful as it will be. I know I would say that to him if I were his mother. Whenever those boys have a nasty spill, my first thought is always "I hope mama didn't see that!"
Problem is, pro cycling is such a cruel sport in that you always have younger and younger cyclists coming up behind you with what seems like demon like energy ready to steal your thunder!
They (Jonas, Tadae, et all..) win thier Gran Tours and scarcely have time to enjoy the fruits of the labors before they are cast aside for the new, bright shiny thing!
Thus poor Jonas may feel like he HAS to return to road whatever the cost.
And only 33 days without riding he was just in hospital in 13 day because of his name@@mtelectrical8068
its like a soldier going back to war, you just shut down the thinking brain, and do the things you know, jonas is to much talent to not recover from this
I’m afraid to watch this but I’m gonna do it. Deep breath…..
Ok. Phew. I was wrong. Great commentary as usual!
No one "deserves" a win. You either win, or you do not based on reality not favoritism.
I won’t believe that he can’t be as good as last year. His injuries were not in the same league as Chris and Egan.
But visma are having a dreadful season and that might put pressure on them
Jonas didn't have the catastrophic injuries of a Froome or Bernal, he was pretty banged up but no deep skeletal injures. Froome of course has never been anywhere within cooee of his previous form and dominance, and Bernal has shown glimpses but I don't know if he will return to and consistency... Remco showed how it's done with his recovery from his nasty crash and subsequent rainbow bands, as Kelly said with a strong head and weak legs you can still triumph...Look at Wout, his injuries were more severe than Jonas's, we're talking about professional sportsmen, who have that mentality and a bottomless support network of the finest therapists and doctors..
Will Jonas return to the Tour this year, doubtful but I think eyes will be on Tadej and Primoz on the lead up. Tadej will win the Giro, he has no competition unless you call Thomas huffing and puffing a challenge. Primoz strangely I don't see as a threat, then again we have little to measure him by other than his living atop Mt Teide, if that's where he is...
Jonas will recover fully, although probably no where near top form, he'll do the Vuelta in August and win that.
2025 everyone will be a year older and I suspect a real barn burner of a Tour between Tadej and Jonas they both should be at the absolute gheight of their physical abilities then.
Wout's injuries were not more severe? If anything then Jonas' injuries have been more severe since he had all the same injuries as Wout + lung contusion, punctured lung and broken fingers.
@@Soli11Wout also had pneumothorax (not necessarily meaning a fully punctured lung for either) but it was only discovered a while after the crash... So not much difference. Plus we don't know how many ribs Jonas broke nor what ribs it were for either.
Il piu forte 💪
In my opinion Tadej is going so hard at the Giro because he expects Jonas to not be at his peak in the TdF due to his injury.
Rubbish. Tadej goes hard because that’s what Tadej has always done
Would love to see him here, but he also hast to get better not take chances on his health
Here’s the problem, if he gets 2nd at the tour to Pogicar , will we blame it on the crash?? Or is it possible that he comes in 100% and we get a close battle that seems fair, or rather one in which both are 100%.
Last year Pogicar had the injury that messed up his preparation. I imagine Pogacar wins this year and we don’t get a battle of them 100 % until 2025
I like Vinegegaard, but no rah, rah from me. He was pounded in that crash. There will be a lot of pre$$ure on him to do the Tour, but I think, long term, it would be a mistake to take it on this year. Let the recovery be gradual, and, once he's clearly healed, do a late season race program that graduates in intensity. Continue through normal winter training, then come back in full form next season. Stage racing needs him to be competitive with Pogačar!
It is up to Vingegaard. Let's not speculate.
I am just glad he is alive able to talk, much less ride a bike. OUCH!!
Crushing the field on the climbs. Sounds familiar. Let me think.............
Skip le tour and enter the Vuelta
Froome never came back from his crash. I hope Jonas can.
You may have to only look back to Andy Schleck, Egan Bernal and Chris Froome for your answer... lets hope its not the case with JV.. 7 weeks to get ready
Jonas wasn’t injured as heavily
No lower body injuries in Vingegaard this time. And he came back just fine from that broken femur in 2017
He will be back full strength next year after recovery and training. Packing frozen fish is not in his future.