Jonas Vingegaard Is Battling A RACE AGAINST TIME
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Jonas Vingegaard Is Battling A RACE AGAINST TIME
After Jonas Vingegaard had suffered a crash that could be career-ending at worst, he’s been making much better progress than anyone expected. Basque country was the race where he crashed badly, but it’s slowly becoming clear that it wasn’t the last race we’ve seen him take on. Vingegaard is now also battling a race against time, full of nervousness and with the Tour de France quickly approaching, waiting for him to defend his yellow jersey from previous year. But, can Jonas Vingegaard recover in time for the showdown, and if he does start the Tour, how well prepared is he really going to be?
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Jonas is a viking! Vikings heal faster. It will be awesome to see him in Le Tour 2024.
Jonas' ability to improve is amazing, I would not bet against him. His team, however, is fractured, literally. With the recent Dauphine crashes, Visma now have 4 key riders out with broken bones, not least of whom is Wout.
Pogi won his first tour without the team.
@@peehi2 He also wasn't up against Pogacar.
@@peehi2He had Jumbo Visma
even if his team wasn't injured, there's no way Jonas gets into shape in time for the TdF let alone race shape so quickly.
he went to Mallorca after being in the hospital for almost 2 weeks? wouldn't you want to go home? what's in Mallorca? Ohhhhhhhhhh, ya he got the best of "care" there. he will be ready for the TdF and it isn't because of trust (laugh out loud now) like his team manager said.
Read today that Grischa Niermann said to Het Niewsblad, that Jonas is not at the level where he was last year at this time. Hardly surprising to hear, but it is still sad that his crash set him back this much.
I’m a Dane. As far I know he’s not on his best when the TDF starts, which makes sense because he hasn’t been in a race since the bad crash…. Pogacar has a good opportunity this year to win, and he’s team has never been better than now…
@@denmark2680 Jeg er også dansker;-) ... og jeg er enig i din betragtning. Pogacar har det bedste hold i bjergene. Men jeg er ikke sikker på, at det er bedre end Vismas i en allround forstand. Det bliver helt sikkert spændende af følge Touren. Pogacar har har haft en meget bedre optakt til Touren end Jonas, Remco og Roglic... og ja, det har da en stor betydning. Vi får se...
@@Goldeeliza Ja, det bliver spændende. Jeg håber at Jonas og resten af Visma holdet er nogenlunde klar, efter en forfærdelig opstart på sæsonen. Vi må håbe at de er 100% klar, og kommer med deres stærkeste ryttere…
@@denmark2680 Ja, de har virkelig fortjent noget mere medgang. Hvis de også bliver ramt af uheld i Touren, bliver jeg nødt til at skrige i den nærmest pude, ha ha.
@@Goldeeliza Ja, der samme her 😊
I think he is a champ to even take part in the tour. I hope he will be able to make a come back. Poor Fromey never made it back😢
I'd love to see him back but only if this won't be detrimental to his long-term recovery. Really hope they aren't rushing him back. He's a young guy and it'd be awful if his career were shortened and his overall health were worse because of being put back into the Tour before he's ready.
I guess that there is a big pressure on Jonas shoulders to participate in the TDF 20244 even if he’s not 100% ready…..
Its hard to get back that confidence.
I think Jonas won the last two tours in part because of the strength of his team and their tactical plan which was built entirely around burning Pocajar. Tadej team the last couple of years ended up leaving him isolated at the front surround by Jumbo Visma riders with no support... Essentially it was Team Jumbo Visma vs. Tadej Pocajar.
I think team UAE recognized this and is going into this years tour with a much stronger squad. Only problem is I don't think Vingegaard is up to the task this year so we have me waiting till next year to have a true showdown.
I would love to see Pog and JV go at it both fully fit, both having a full season concentrating solely on the tour. Would be incredible to watch.
If that ever happens Pog will win because he never prepared for TDF only and he race everything! Jonas is smart, he knows he doesn't have a chance in one day races against MVDP, WVA, Pog, etc.. and he also knows where his strength is and prepares for TDF only. It would be great if we can see both of them 100% at TDF but I doubt that will ever happen because Pog wants all the monuments and spring classics before TDF!
@@nazgulzg it happend in 2022!
@@henriksylvestolsen4885 no, pogi rode most of the spring classics
@@henriksylvestolsen4885 and Vingegaard also wasn't planned to be their leader, so not the same circumstances
@@henriksylvestolsen4885 How? In 2022 Jonas build his form for TDF and Pogacar raced before TDF.
Jonas: Tirreno | Basque | Dauphine (DNF in Fleche and LBL) - Jonas won 0 races before TDF!
Tadej: UAE tour | Strade Bianche | Tirenno | Milan-San Remo | Dwars | Ronde van Vlaanderen | Fleche - Pogacar won 3 races before TDF and should won at Ronde but played cat and mouse with MWDP and lost!
No TDF for Jonas. Keep training and recovering and then go win the Vuelta. Matteo can reach the podium at TDF behind Tadej and Rolic.
Bernal, Pidcock and Yates are going to spoil the party. GC 2nd and 3rd is still for the lottery
Pidcock 😭🙏@@AntonnyKavinguha
@@tobiasdencker853 Lol forget it. Pidcock doesn't have the engine to podium at the tour.
@@patrickbateman7444 thats what im saying mate
@@tobiasdencker853 my bad :D
Maybe he can recover in time, but he has one big problem: The Visma Team! Last 2 years he had the strongest team, but not this year. At the moment its totally unclear who will ride fot Visma in the TdF. UAE will have the strongest team this year. Also Pogacar had no crash this year. Remember, last year he crashed in Liege-Batogne-Liege and his preparation for the TdF wasnt perfect. Im sure, Pogacar will test all favorites in Etappe 1 - so there is no extra time to build up the form in the first tour week, because this year the 1.week is much harder than normal for the GC riders!
Let him recover, drop this year - speak with the team and sponser to rally behind Mateo. Jonas should not compete - if the team and Jonas choose to race, huge respect - but it will be pogi and the rest….😢 Jonas are the only one that can compete at same level but he needs to bring the a game 😊
Agree, but unfortunately there is a big pressure on him to race the TDF, even though he’s not 100% ready….
What big 4 if i may ask? Roglic, Remco and Co are not even in the same universe as jonas and tadej.
After watching Remco at Dauphine, it’s quite clear that Jonas will struggle in the first week. But he might pick up later. Hopefully not with a huge deficit!
Plus two of his best lieutenants are out of commission. So Visma-LAB dominating and controlling stages is out of the question.
It just doesn’t look ideal by any stretch!
After watching todays stage I wouldn't put Remco in the "big four" for this year either. Still got a few weeks to go, so time will tell. Matteo actually looks to of improved quite a bit this year, so that's good news for Visma, but I'm still not putting him up there either, Matteo looks poised to be a super dom, maybe a stage winner if he isn't up high in the standings and a potential to get on the podium should he be able to beat Yates, etc. Jonas is going to be a complete unknown with no racing results before the tour. I agree with you the bright yellow team isn't going to be able to control as they have in the past, UAE looks like the strong team now.
I don't think that Jonas is even an unknown. If he was doing well enough to put him in Dauphine, I think that they would have. I still think that Evenepoel is overrated when it comes to GC for a grand tour. If he isn't, it won't be this year he proves me wrong. Given all of the injuries, I have to put my money on Poggy this year.
Jonas is a purer climber that can TT. That gives him the edge in any TDF.
Poggy is good in everything and he is still improving his TT ability - he proved it in Giro, and if anyone knows how to climb Col d´Éze, it´s definitely him. He also seems more comfortable in the mountains this year, he didn´t race to much, he didn´t have any injuries and on top of that - he was able to save some energy during the Giro, because there was lack of competition. It doesn´t mean Jonas can´t beat him, but even if Jonas is at the same level as in 2023, it would have been much more interesting battle than it was last year during week 3..
There are no miracles in professional race cycling...
"He" is running in the Windsor Castle Stakes,5.15 at Royal Ascot today
He will start for sure but can’t see him beating pogacar though
Give him ALLLLL the drugs he needs to heal up ASAP! We need to see the two best go at it again! Otherwise, it will be a VERY easy win for Tadej.
Regardless of form, if Jonas can turn the pedals I think Visma are going to force him to race. There's a lot of sponsorship money behind the TdF, and it would be financially dubious for Visma to leave him out. I don't agree with this approach, and personally, I think Jonas should skip the tour and go for the Vuelta. There's just no way he will be in form for the TdF, especially with the current state of his team.
I agree, he will probably test his legs. Dropout prep for Vuelta
True no matter what, there must be a big pressure from the team and who else who’s having interests in the TDF…. It’s big business….
I take my hats off for Jonas… Even though he’s not at he’s best he’s still trying…..
Because he was so fit it helped him alot
1:00 Bro-mance might be the secret to speedy recovery! Little boy in background is actually looking away saying . . ." come on guys, get a room"
He will not be ready to battle at his top level.
he must aim for a podium finish and prepare to win the vuelta
He needs more recovery, would be stupid to go to the tour
Thank god an expert joined us
Jonas is the best 3 week rider. He showed it in 2021,22 and 23... All the heavy hitters has been down... So Pogi will win the tour
No, not 2021, he was crushed by Pogi more than 5 minutes.
@@kamolhengkiatisak1527 Yes and no... He was not the captain, and in that tdf it was the first time we saw pogi have trouble on Mont Ventoux :)
@@oakdk4075 Pog finished in front of Jonas on that stage so how he was in trouble?
@@nazgulzg lol see the stage, and then u will know.... It was the first time, and Jonas is the only one who can dominate pogi
@@oakdk4075 What? I wouldn't comment if I didn't saw the stage but he was brought back without problems. Also Jonas should be better then Pogacar on stage like Ventoux, 20km long with 7-10% gradient - everything that suit Jonas the best.
...one of the teammates said HA! it's not fair!..
Listen these two guys Vingegaard and Pogacar looks so strong against champions like Hindley, ROGLIČ, Carapaz and Bernal that both are doping
The 2023 TDF version of Jonas Vingegaard will conquers the 2024 TDF!
I believe that JV will recover and make wonders again. I JV we trust.
Surprisingly you did not mention alleged performance enhancing elements of his recovery and TDF preparation?!
Hard to tell.
the Pogi-Show will go on, with or without Jonas
Remember he needs to be at his best in Tour wk3 so he still has 5 weeks prep.
Is this Carlton Kirby? Voice seems awfully similar. Unless it's AI-generated.
Vai dar Primoz Roglic-- BORA
For the sake of the tour I hope he'll be ready
Think Visma is playing a bit of poker here. He will be there no doubt but they want UAE to play a guessing game.
given all other misfortune that has fallen on Lisma this year, Jonas will feel an obligation to line up for the tour even if he's not 100% fit to compete for yellow. he'll likely end up finishing top 10 (off the podium) or DNF
Remco after a broken collarbone did well or the couple of days of the Dauphine and did great at the TT. But at the mountains he suffered. Vingegaard had a worst injury. It is doubtful that he can perform well in TdF.
Yeah but Remco is nuts in mountain stages wrt vinge
JV is naturally a much better climber. I think he will be ready. As the defending champ, I know he will try his best to be ready to compete. His crash was pretty bad - although not career changing imo.
problem is visma lost two key guys at du Dauphiné
He doesn't have the team that he's had in the past to support him. Plus if he loses then they will use the injury as a excuse. Stay Home!!!!
Yeah. His injuries were devistating. He's still human. He should take his time and prep for the Vuelta, some of the classics, and World Championships.
Sad that cycling is quickly becoming a sport like soccer where the most important part is the amount of hate you can put on the other fans and riders.
Injury as an excuse. You mean like the Pog fans used that last year?
Pog is going to put it to bed in the first week. The Danish anchovy may well be full of EPO?
If Jonas is a no go, who is JV's next man up for GC at the Tour?
Is that Kirby moonlighting ? ;-)
Jonas goes, destroys everyone not names Poggy, Cracks in the third week because he couldn’t get his CTL high enough in time.
UAE will make every stage they can hard as possible.
Any advice on editing in davinci resolve?
Too soon to be 100%. I think he's the better rider but Pogacar is in peak form.
I love Jonas but im not sure that a TdF Hartwick can be done this year. His teammates are not in great form at all with Sepp Kuss leaving the Dauphine with illness and WVA and his terrible injury. I will be watching history in the making with Tadej's Giro-Tour campaign on his way to becoming the greatest cyclist of all time
Get ready for a surprise! 😂
no--I don't think he'll be ready in time
Vingegaard won by a whopping 7:29 last year. I doubt he will be close to top form at the start of the tour, but perhaps he can win when he's only at 98%.
he won by such a big margin because Pog wasnt at his best because of the injury. No way he wins this year.
@@lukarus4998 And if he does you will be the first one to scream doping or any other excuse.
@@Nyelands sorry what? Salty much...
North Sea fish expert racing against time and against Pogacar.
He should not even ride the TDF. He will get smoked in first climb and jumbo should go with WVA and Jorgeson, Kuss.
Wrong! 😂😂😂😂
They do go with WVA and Jorgenson. What makes you think those 2 won't participate in the Tour?
That's dope
Remember Pog's crash with wrist injury, not bone fractures and collapsed lung, at LBL, then he suffered greatly at the Tour "I am dead" due to insufficient training preparation/fitness. Is Vinegaard an alien? Is he not human? Is his body better than younger Pog?
You dont know that... Vingegaard made Pogi crack in 21, 22 and 23... Sooo
@@oakdk4075 You're wrong. Pog dominated Vin in 21 easily, riding away winning more than 5 minutes. He was out-maneuvred in 22 when he followed every attack of crash-prone Roglic who crashed earlier and gamely hanged on to help Vin, thus spending his bullets and outclimbed by Vin. In 2023, he crashed with wrist injury at LBL and was easily outclimbed by Vin. In fairness when both at full health in 2021, Pog was simply better that year when Vin stepped up in place of Rogla when he crashed and abandoned. All in all, Rogla crashed in 21/22, did not ride Tour in 23 but he won Giro and third place in Vuelta that year.
@@kamolhengkiatisak1527 he was not the captain, and it was the first time we saw pogi in trouble on Mont Ventoux... :)
Pogi and Jonas are not the same and people need to stop pretending they are. They have different strengths. Jonas' strength has always been that even on his bad days, he barely lose any time. He has always recovered remarkably well, and better than Pogi, during 3 weeks. He barely lose any power. So just because Pogi couldn't be 100% (according to some, I think he was basically 100%) then that doesn't mean Jonas will be unable to.
Even before he joined Visma, Jonas was known for his ability to recover at a rapid speed and that he barely needs to train to be in good form.
@@Soli11 Pogacar strength is that he can win everything against Jonas (WC, 1 day, 1 week and 3 weeks races), Jonas against Pogacar can only win TDF (high altititude, 3 weeks, heat) because his recovery is out of this world and the heat doesn't affect him. Lets just hope that Jonas comes to TDF ready so we don't watch one horse race at TDF like we watched at Giro.
No athletes Are tested more than pogi and vingegaard so please stop these stupid statements about doping!!
Unfortunately the sport of cycling and its governing body has such a deservedly poor reputation that doping questions will continue to be asked. The recent motor doping scandals just serve to accentuate the issue. In my opinion the skepticism is warranted. It can only be altered by a robust, transparent and comprehensive commitment to police and punish the offenders.
First comment lets gooooooo
yeah pog just got lucky this year, jonas out.
2025 would be better
🥰
Pog is coming after Visma for sure from the start. Pog doesnt forget what happened last 2 years.
So let us conclude that Pog does not suffer from dementia. Good memory for such distant memories lol.
Are they testing him for doping?
No, they don't test Jonas. Are they testing your IQ?
AI speech
Genetics? Maybe a TINY bit. Hello, people, it's cardio, cardio, CARDIO! These guys' resting heart rates likely put mine to shame. But, after a few years of cycling, I went from about 60 resting HR down to 40 bpm; my cardio had unintended effects - protein synthesis, libido, metabolism, general circulation, but especially HEALING FROM INJURIES! Working construction, I tore my hand open at 9:30am. At 4:30pm, when the foreman looked at my hand, he kept looking at my other hand, because he could NOT BELIEVE that it was the same injury he had seen earlier in the day. It had scabbed up, and begun to heal already. I sliced my thumb open on sharp glass, 5 hours later my friends couldn't tell which thumb I had done it to. All I'm saying is, if I can do this as a 'Schmo' riding 2k a year, the "healing advantages" for THESE guys must be UNREAL!
When I raced I would check my resting pulse rate and it was always 27 BPM. But I was 28 years old. Almost all people who heal quickly are just 6 years old and younger. They can actually watch a wound heal with their native eyes. After that, healing usually slows down. I noticed it in young unrelated children too. Children heal much faster than older people
I cut my finger of and I watched it grow back out. I have a resting HR of 0.1
Was his accident really so severe or is this for propaganda? .. what about other cyclist from that accident who were hurt
He had broken fingers, broken collarbone, multiple broken ribs, lung contusion and a collapsed lung. He was descending fast and slipped out, he hit a road sign then slid to a halt by a concrete ditch before he was struck by another rider who also crashed. 2 riders had worse injuries than him. Jonas was the one who was most severely hurt out of the GC riders.
It is no propaganda. You can tell the crash was a serious one. Jonas was also in hospital for 12 days, I doubt they'd let him stay if he did not need to be there.
I mean, if we are playing "not the 100%" game xD. First TDF visma as a whole outplayed pogi with the help of rog, second TDF Pogi wasnt 100%.
Breaking a wrist cannot be compared to breaking most of your upper body.
If he comes back and wins the Tour he is 100% doping
You Are not normal in your head 😡 !
If he doesn't show up, he was already 100% doping
@@veganpotterthevegan 😂😂😂😂
The only cyclist obviously not doping is Pogachar. 😂😂😂😂
Could you explain what kind of doping he’s taking and how’s it’s helping him to recover and win ? Clearly you have knowledge and insight here…
I have never seen this Windegoo rider before? I know of a Vingegaard (Vineguard) to help you pronounce his name correctly. Drives me crazy every time I hear it.
Who cares. Get at life. I'm sure you can't pronounce every single name in the World, correctly. Get down from your high Horse
100% Fish boy will win for the 3rd time . I’m just preparing myself to say he is nice family guy and will not cheat to win tour .
Nope ! He will not be ready for 2 simple reasons : first , physiologically it wouldn't be posible to heal 100% the ribbs injuries and the punctured lung and at a maximum effort those internal wounds will open , think just of the frequency and amplitude of the ribb cage when he will do maximum effort !!! and the second reason is the kilometers acumulated on his legs comparising with Tadej or the others . Let's not even talk about the teams . Visma is way down in performance then most of the teams not necessarily UAE . And , by the way , I always thought that Vingegaar isn't a match for Pogacar not last year , not last 2 years not ever . I am sorry for what happened to him in that awfull crash . But he isn't better and he wasn't better than Pogacar . No one can convince me that a person with the background like Vingegaard can be a two times champion of Tour de France against Pogacar who is a real champion by comparison . Look for the achievements for both of them ! Pogacar is number one in the world for some years and compited in so many races , monuments , one day races, one week races and so on . From a country without mountains
came someone that beats Poggy in Tour the France for 2 times !!! What ?!? I mean it seems that Visma makes wonders there ! After I've searched for sports background for these two guys ... well ... I was disappointed of what I've discovered about Vingegaard . I couldn't say the same in Poggy's case . I mean , Tadej started his cycling career at 12 years old ,born and raised into the mountains ! At the age of 17 or 16 had his first victory and there are more to say but not for Vingegaard he was the last of the last ... before he join Jumbo Visma !?! Anyway , I wish him health .
Kuss gonna be a lider for Tour. and Jonas gonna come back to win Vuelta
Kuss is not on form. Looks Matteo is the only best bet for Visma.
Kuss aint that guy mate
Its like Magic...Lol..Where have I seen that magic recovering before...?!?!?!?
he's nothing without his team
Yep we could see that on the last time trail in TDF 2023.... lols
He literally won last year's TdF in an individual time trial - and Pogi's teammate ended up 3rd, so obviously he had a strong team himself.
Well if you have the proper drugs..... then, yes!!! they will improve at lightning speed..
Please stop. Jonas is literally known for this. You can find interviews with his teammates saying the same thing before he even joined Visma and a WT team.
The same thing = He recovers fast and doesn't need to train a lot to find his form
@@Soli11 unless you can show us proof of Vingegaard’s superior natural genetics, then he should be held in suspicion as long as he and other cyclists are outputting bigger numbers than the dopers of the 90s. Unless it really is the training, bikes, and nutrition regimens which allow riders to go faster, I find it unlikely that todays clean riders can break the records of riders from back in the day with 50+ hematocrit-doped to the gills with other substances too.
@@peterconnors5259 Riders of the past used to starve themselves, their training was archaic to say the least, and they relied on drugs. Riders of the past are saying literally everything is different today. Better technology, better equipment, better nutrition, better training. It doesn't even compare to how they were training back then, so already that is a huge difference.
And I do actually have proof:
ruclips.net/video/8yyIflpc57s/видео.htmlsi=fmb_VbFHrNVVq5KK
In 2018, before he even joined Visma and the WT, Jonas was tested to be around 15% better than the ordinary Danish professional rider. His numbers were so outstanding that the news even did a news report on him before anyone even knew who he was. These numbers were also tested right after Jonas broke his femur and probably was not even at his peak.
How do you think his numbers look today in a professional team and years away from his femur fracture? I think they are beyond exceptional.
Unless you can prove he is doped please stop this doping nonsens talk!
@@peterconnors5259so people defending Jonas have to show proof but you and all the other clowns going on about how he’s doping can do so without any evidence? Great logic 😂
Genetics, trust and drugs
Doping his way back???
He either won't start or if he does he won't win. I hope he starts and gets hammered. His disloyalty in last years tour of Spain put me right off him.
Disloyalty? He literally let Sepp win. Sepp has said multiple times that Jonas was more than happy to ride for him, the problem was Roglic.
@@Soli11 No the problem wasn't Roglic. Vingegaard attacked Kuss repeatedly when he was in the leaders jersey. Vingegaard shouldn't have even gone to the vuelta as Rog was bumped from the tour and was going to lead the team at the vuelta. Vingegaard didn't ride for anyone but himself
Training miles do not add up to racing miles. Way more stress and energy exerted in races. Look at Pog at last year's TdF. That was his wrist he injured. Not a punctured lung, broken ribs and collarbone. He definitely should save it for the Vuelta.
No. Needs to defend his title.
Spot on!
Is this Carlton Kirby? Voice seems awfully similar. Unless it's AI-generated.
It’s difficult that Jonas will be in optimal conditions to win. It’s preferable he takes his time and go for the vuelta a España, regards from Colombia
Nobody knows what will be the decision except perhaps Jonas himself. And he will be the best judge of his capacity in the final analysis. I would expect to him to race at 80 to 20 odds.
It's going to be razor thin but he can do it if anyone can, the difference is so many other cyclists that are really close and a hangnail can be the difference between top podium and second place.
How can you say JV beat TP last year fair and square? TP had a Crash last year and had no good preperation for the tdf. Same as this year with JV.
Knowing how to place in group and not falling of the bike is also part of cykling. No excuses if you decide to enter a race.
He's gonna lose the tour
Get well idol
Jonas will defend and win the tour.