I find deconstruct to work better with jolting feedback on Vantage Point. That perk allows you to keep shooting it almost like rewind rounds while doing damage with jolting.
Along with its origin trait and fairly decent sized mag allows it to essentially never have to reload for add clear and Deconstruct will give that I think 40% damage boost on vehicles whenever applicable.
Midnight Coup with Explosive Payload + Frenzy is my go-to hand cannon for PVE. Once Frenzy procs, you get 30 percent extra damage with no kill requirements. Gonna be hard for me to stop using this hand cannon. Nice video as usual, Tizzle. 🍻
@alwaysalex0 , I'm planning to go back into OG Onslaught to farm for another Luna's Howl soon... I will farm for your recommended Midnight Coup roll as well and see how I like it. Thank you, fellow Gardian.👍
I appreciate your take about Chattering Bone vs Blast Furnace, but there's actually a math reason why Aggressive Bursts are preferred for Kinetic Tremors. It takes 11 hits to trigger KT, most pulses shoot 3 bullets, so they need 4 bursts to trigger it. Aggressives shoot 4 bullets, so you only need 3 bursts for a quicker KT activation. In practice, this is a pretty minor thing but you can definitely feel it. Personally I've been enjoying Sacred Provenance over Blast Furnace.
@@lolathejew Simple answer is that it's craftable and I haven't bothered farming a better BF yet. My Provenance is Demo + KT, and that's been working well with my builds. I would like a Firefly + KT BF at some point, but I'm pretty tired of farming Onslaught haha
would like to give a shout-out to bygones, I got a kinetic tremors and shoot to loot role and it feels very good, esp in high end content the shoot to loot is a really nice utility trait and kinetic tremors can pick up ammo and orbs around an enemy. only issue is that it’s annoying to get a good roll on because it has like 12 perks in each slot.
Definitely have to highlight Destabilizing Rounds on the Ancient Gospel (or really any weapon) with the update to the perk in Heresy. Internal cooldown going from 4s to 1.5 (I assume 1 second enhanced) plus it'll grant 2seconds of Volatile Rounds for any enemy HIT by the initial volatile burst. So one kill and as long as another enemy was close to get hit by the AoE that applies volatile you gain 2 seconds of Volatile rounds. Unsure if the Volatile Rounds part is tied to the same internal cooldown but either way it's going to make any weapon with it way better.
Non denoument with voltshot and the new synergy weapon mod, and the fragment that procs blind explosion on precision kills on blinded enemies. Dominates.
Jolting feedback is crazy. The fact that we have 3 primary weapon types that have it means 3 potential anti barrier or overload artifacts could make those weapons good against 2 champion types
Can't believe you did Maahes dirty like that. It's a grape flavored Wardens but i would argue as good or better. Frenzy on it basically does what Enlightened Action + Vorpal does in 1 perk. 15% to every target is a better trade off than 20% to only champs and bosses. Other perk on Maahes is what gives it the edge over Wardens. I have one with Unrelenting and it's handy. Not sure what other perks are in the 3rd column
I got a Shiny Skin Hung Jury and shiny skin Midnight Coup both with Explosive Payload/Kinetic Tremors. That perk combo is beastly. Been using my Hung Jury to pop bubbles all season in GM's. Scouts getting a big buff for Hearsy as well.
There's a lot of weapons that get better combos with Shoot to loot than Kinetic Tremors. Explosive payload outshines KT because there's no shot requirement before it procs. Hung Jury, Perses-D, especially Vulpecula all do ammo brick pickups better than Battle Scar
Does the og onslaught hung jury still possible to drop with kinetic tremors? I’ve had dozens of drops without any having KT? Did I miss out on getting it? I somehow have a regular hung jury with rapid hit + KT, but no og onslaught hung jury? Sorry for such a weird question coming from a completely solo guardian 😅
Some great choices. One day ill get aishas care haha. Kinetic tremors in general is such an amazing perk i make sure i have one of every weapon that gets it so i can swap as needed for the needed artifact. Another scout with it is imperative. Amazing origin trait so you never reload, and paired with demo you basically have so much grenade regen There is 1 non kinetic tremors scout i really do like though: transfiguration with rewind rounds and explosive payload. You literally never have to reload, and since you hate reloading, wanted to suggest that for you I do love that kinetic tremors bow so much. I would suggest successful warm up over archers tempo though myself. You just need kills, and it last much longer and has a better draw time increase i feel. And man i do live my zhalos bane adapt. Exploaive payload and one for all feels fantastic. I know some people like incan but i preferone for alls extra damage. And man that volt shot bow im 100% in love with. So damn good.
Midnight Coup is just on another level.. I have over 60,000 kills collectively on my Midnight Coup rolls and I basically never take it off the rare times I play
As a PvP player, if I see any of these perks on my guns, it’s an immediate dismantle 😂. I’m sure our vaults are very different. All jokes aside though, very informative video. If I come across any of these weapons I’ll be sure to look twice lol
Great vid as always Tizzle. I finally got my Under-Over/KT Randy’s this week, I think it might be the best champ busting scout in the game. Def worth a mention, feels very strong in a meta where we don’t use our weapons all that much because our abilities are twice as strong that one feels great.
If you take this video, Aegis projects, and your own personal taste here and there, vault space isn't an issue. I just did a little vault clean yesterday and got it down to 525. And I could probably let a lot more go. The fact is that anything more than a year old is factually powered out.
Man, seeing that Ros Arago makes me sad every time i see it given i dismantled my rewind/destab roll thinking it was another roll which was absolute ass. :((
Love your content Tiz! I feel a bit rude requesting content because you do such a good job already, but I'm always seeing builds for single Guardians across multiple channels and never Fireteam Builds. Do you have any ideas for Fireteam Builds? E.g. you have a Titan + Warlock + Hunter in a GM or Dungeon... Rather than just running a Meta build for your class and teaming up, do you reckon there might be a way of building a single build spread across a Fireteam? Hope this makes sense. Interested in your opinion on this.
yes something like speaker's sight is a monster for that. But I am a solo player mainly so not the right person to ask. But there are def builds and team compositions that can build off each other. Super chaining builds would be a ton of fun as well
Parabellum with frenzy/heal clip is absolutely devastating, I'm not using it only if the activity is full of unstoppable and then i swap for the other absolutely busted Field Tested weapon aka Jurassic Green. All the other weapons are only A or A+, but those two are so above any sort of chart, is not even funny!
Kinetic tremors is so over hyped. I personally don’t like it because it literally does no damage. 3 bursts of minor damage is not worth it. I’d rather use explosive payload because atleast that has a true damage boost with no falloff
The best legendary primary is abberant act... oh wait... ah... yes... I don't really use legendary primaries aside from champ stun and shoot to loot. Well, I use them sometimes during normal dungeon solos but that's about it. I use heliocentric a lot when I solo dungeons. I feel like legendary primaries need some help as soon as you enter expert and above.
It's not meta it's OP get it right little millennials little generation z generation x we started gaming before y'all were even born and we call weapons and things OP not meta like a little girl we don't sit there and use the word meta over and over get a life
@@Dynasty1818 it's amazing in GMs. If you're not using an exotic primary the only options in my Opinion are primaries with KT, double damage, or jolting feedback.
@@db1872 But my issue is, with KT it knocks the champions away from the 2nd and 3rd bursts of damage once the 1st goes off, so the aoe damage becomes pretty useless. It should "stick" to the target instead, THAT would make it useful.
Blast Furnace was my baby when it was first released years ago. At the time I used my Zen moment and kill clip in pve and pvp. Now, kinetic tremors and frenzy/O4A for PvE, and Headseeker and rapid hit for pvp have kept me happy. Just not a fan of lightweights like that. They don't hit hard enough for me. Outbreak not included, as that's my favorite Destiny weapon of all time.
Just in time for vault cleaning season. “If it’s not on Tizzle’s list, it’s shards”
So you're saying those three Naeem's Lances that have been in my vault for almost a year need to be dismantled?
@ o7 send em into the sun, guardian.
You mean glimmer
@@grl7753 😂 let em go guardian. Supremacy exists
@@chriswilson2576 shards forever in our hearts and minds.
Aisha's Care is money man - also dig you included Parabellum. No one talks about that gun - heal clip frenzy is amazing. Keep up the great work!
love frenzy on basically any gun. And has great synergy with heal clip!
I’ve never seen Aisha’s Care used ever
@@mango2538 I have a max range PvP roll with Headseeker..... it's not fair.
I find deconstruct to work better with jolting feedback on Vantage Point. That perk allows you to keep shooting it almost like rewind rounds while doing damage with jolting.
@@XxHUNT3RN4T0RxX yeah, Chablo got me to try out that roll and I never looked back
deconstruct roll is bugged, unobtainable now
Who is that again not trying to be rude @PSU_AEquitas
Along with its origin trait and fairly decent sized mag allows it to essentially never have to reload for add clear and Deconstruct will give that I think 40% damage boost on vehicles whenever applicable.
@@ignatoseg4664 one of the solo commentary GOATs along with Tizzle.
I would argue Destabilizing Rounds over Demo on Ancient Gospel, especially with the Destabilizing buff coming in Heresy
probably good to have both then, since both are S and A tier perks.
This is the roll I have. It's gonna be amazing after the buff to DR.
Remember,raid adepts you can re-roll the barrel and mag perks w/spoils of conquest at the enclave.
I wish I could get an adept nullify
Midnight Coup with Explosive Payload + Frenzy is my go-to hand cannon for PVE.
Once Frenzy procs, you get 30 percent extra damage with no kill requirements. Gonna be hard for me to stop using this hand cannon.
Nice video as usual, Tizzle. 🍻
It's 15%.
@@coordenadascartesianas2368 i think explosiv payload gives around 15% extra damage...
@@josefstrom4865 that's for bodyshots,crits have different scales.
i use one for all instead of frenzy bc explosive payload can easily proc the x3 hits needed to proc one for all its goated
@alwaysalex0 , I'm planning to go back into OG Onslaught to farm for another Luna's Howl soon... I will farm for your recommended Midnight Coup roll as well and see how I like it.
Thank you, fellow Gardian.👍
Heal clip + incandescent Heliocentric has to be my favorite legendary in the game, absolute animal of a gun
@@Hydravine I’ve let mine rest this season in favor of an eddy current + voltshot anonymous autumn bc of all the arc mods we’ve had. It slays!
@@Hustlexzoh my god both of these sidearms are absolute monsters. Getting these rolls converted me to the sidearm gang fast as hell
Nice to see Vantage point getting some love. The best way to jolt if you don’t have pyro.
I appreciate your take about Chattering Bone vs Blast Furnace, but there's actually a math reason why Aggressive Bursts are preferred for Kinetic Tremors. It takes 11 hits to trigger KT, most pulses shoot 3 bullets, so they need 4 bursts to trigger it. Aggressives shoot 4 bullets, so you only need 3 bursts for a quicker KT activation. In practice, this is a pretty minor thing but you can definitely feel it. Personally I've been enjoying Sacred Provenance over Blast Furnace.
I agree the 4bursts feel better. Why provenance over blast furnace?
@@lolathejew Simple answer is that it's craftable and I haven't bothered farming a better BF yet. My Provenance is Demo + KT, and that's been working well with my builds. I would like a Firefly + KT BF at some point, but I'm pretty tired of farming Onslaught haha
Wish someone would be this thorough about PvP primaries whenever there is a big sandbox shift like the one that just happened
would like to give a shout-out to bygones, I got a kinetic tremors and shoot to loot role and it feels very good, esp in high end content the shoot to loot is a really nice utility trait and kinetic tremors can pick up ammo and orbs around an enemy. only issue is that it’s annoying to get a good roll on because it has like 12 perks in each slot.
I love my Hung Jury & Midnight Coup both with Exploding Rounds & Kinetic Tremors 😁
Disappointed that the Battle Rifle didn’t get a shout here. Demo + Incandescent is insane, especially for gunpowder gamble builds
real, everyone's been on the Nullify but the Battler is uncontested for nostalgia and unique gameplay experience imo
I rock one with that roll right now. As far as I'm concerned, it's one of the best pulses in the game still.
I agree it carried me through my solo warlords ruin build on my Lorelei Titan
the onslaught weapons are awesome
Definitely have to highlight Destabilizing Rounds on the Ancient Gospel (or really any weapon) with the update to the perk in Heresy. Internal cooldown going from 4s to 1.5 (I assume 1 second enhanced) plus it'll grant 2seconds of Volatile Rounds for any enemy HIT by the initial volatile burst.
So one kill and as long as another enemy was close to get hit by the AoE that applies volatile you gain 2 seconds of Volatile rounds.
Unsure if the Volatile Rounds part is tied to the same internal cooldown but either way it's going to make any weapon with it way better.
hand cannons feel so good in this game. i swap between the coup and zaoulis bane *constantly*
I prefer blast furnace with kinetic tremors and frenzy for the extra handling and reload
Try it with tremors and desperate measures
Vantage point with Jolting feedback is the best legendary in the game! I’m so glad to hear you speak highly of it with your skill set!
It's so nasty!
That solar scout is all that! Hits like a truck in PvP, too.
Non denoument with voltshot and the new synergy weapon mod, and the fragment that procs blind explosion on precision kills on blinded enemies. Dominates.
Jolting feedback is crazy. The fact that we have 3 primary weapon types that have it means 3 potential anti barrier or overload artifacts could make those weapons good against 2 champion types
You mean Anti-Barrier and Unstoppable.
Chattering Bone lovers, rise up.
Can't believe you did Maahes dirty like that. It's a grape flavored Wardens but i would argue as good or better. Frenzy on it basically does what Enlightened Action + Vorpal does in 1 perk. 15% to every target is a better trade off than 20% to only champs and bosses. Other perk on Maahes is what gives it the edge over Wardens. I have one with Unrelenting and it's handy. Not sure what other perks are in the 3rd column
7:35 don’t forget it can roll EP and destabilizing rounds which are going to be busted next season.
I got a Shiny Skin Hung Jury and shiny skin Midnight Coup both with Explosive Payload/Kinetic Tremors. That perk combo is beastly. Been using my Hung Jury to pop bubbles all season in GM's. Scouts getting a big buff for Hearsy as well.
@12:41 you misspoke the scout isn't a 2 round burst
Hey Tizzle, after the changes that will happen to Destabalizing rounds, wouldnt it be a substantianally better perk than Demo for Ancient Gospel?
no shoot to loot + kinetic tremors battle scar?
There's a lot of weapons that get better combos with Shoot to loot than Kinetic Tremors. Explosive payload outshines KT because there's no shot requirement before it procs.
Hung Jury, Perses-D, especially Vulpecula all do ammo brick pickups better than Battle Scar
Parabellum with RR+Adagio is strong too. Also with RR+Recon, bullets for days.
Does the og onslaught hung jury still possible to drop with kinetic tremors? I’ve had dozens of drops without any having KT? Did I miss out on getting it? I somehow have a regular hung jury with rapid hit + KT, but no og onslaught hung jury? Sorry for such a weird question coming from a completely solo guardian 😅
Are these weapons still obtainable? I just came back after a 2 year hiatus.. how do you get midnight coup and long arm etc?
Some great choices. One day ill get aishas care haha.
Kinetic tremors in general is such an amazing perk i make sure i have one of every weapon that gets it so i can swap as needed for the needed artifact. Another scout with it is imperative. Amazing origin trait so you never reload, and paired with demo you basically have so much grenade regen
There is 1 non kinetic tremors scout i really do like though: transfiguration with rewind rounds and explosive payload. You literally never have to reload, and since you hate reloading, wanted to suggest that for you
I do love that kinetic tremors bow so much. I would suggest successful warm up over archers tempo though myself. You just need kills, and it last much longer and has a better draw time increase i feel.
And man i do live my zhalos bane adapt. Exploaive payload and one for all feels fantastic. I know some people like incan but i preferone for alls extra damage.
And man that volt shot bow im 100% in love with. So damn good.
Kinetic Tremors......My favorite perk in the game. Pairs well with Explosive Payload.
not mentioning rufus imo is insane
Midnight Coup is just on another level.. I have over 60,000 kills collectively on my Midnight Coup rolls and I basically never take it off the rare times I play
Quick question: How come you aren’t rocking any adept mods? Noticed you only use normal backup mag on your adept weapons
As a PvP player, if I see any of these perks on my guns, it’s an immediate dismantle 😂. I’m sure our vaults are very different. All jokes aside though, very informative video. If I come across any of these weapons I’ll be sure to look twice lol
Would be awesome if you gave the locations to farm em up just a suggestion
stay frosty with rimestealer feels very strong
My favorite is recluse with subsistence and frenzy, ideally id like a submachine gun with heal-clip and incandescent.
Great vid as always Tizzle. I finally got my Under-Over/KT Randy’s this week, I think it might be the best champ busting scout in the game. Def worth a mention, feels very strong in a meta where we don’t use our weapons all that much because our abilities are twice as strong that one feels great.
yeah I never got that roll sadly
How about luna's howl? I love that gun, feels a little better then zaouli to me!
By the way for midnight coup, you want ep and frenzy. Other rolls are ok but not meta by any means
If you take this video, Aegis projects, and your own personal taste here and there, vault space isn't an issue. I just did a little vault clean yesterday and got it down to 525. And I could probably let a lot more go. The fact is that anything more than a year old is factually powered out.
Can only get exp payload WITH kinetic tremors on the Hung Jury. Blows every other scout out of the water.
Man, seeing that Ros Arago makes me sad every time i see it given i dismantled my rewind/destab roll thinking it was another roll which was absolute ass. :((
Love your content Tiz! I feel a bit rude requesting content because you do such a good job already, but I'm always seeing builds for single Guardians across multiple channels and never Fireteam Builds. Do you have any ideas for Fireteam Builds? E.g. you have a Titan + Warlock + Hunter in a GM or Dungeon... Rather than just running a Meta build for your class and teaming up, do you reckon there might be a way of building a single build spread across a Fireteam? Hope this makes sense. Interested in your opinion on this.
yes something like speaker's sight is a monster for that. But I am a solo player mainly so not the right person to ask. But there are def builds and team compositions that can build off each other. Super chaining builds would be a ton of fun as well
Thanks man. Might have to go back to Subclass School and revise a bit more!
Bro i want that shader on the Corrasion😢
I like under over with kinetic on multimac
Fyi old hung jury can be focused from zavala in legacy weapons....that one gets stl and kt.... onslaught version has kt and stl in the left...
With the buff I think Destabilizing Rounds on Ancient Gospel will go too hard
i clicked because of the vibrant thumbnail
Can i still get the shiny wersion of weapons from onslaught?
No
Summoner should be on this list. Heal clip onslaught makes it one of if not the best primary in the game
Ive got a shiny midnight coup with explosive and one for all/frenzy.
I'm jealous
Loot goblins rejoice 😂🎉
I have a sunset midnight coup. Seeeeesh
Parabellum with frenzy/heal clip is absolutely devastating, I'm not using it only if the activity is full of unstoppable and then i swap for the other absolutely busted Field Tested weapon aka Jurassic Green.
All the other weapons are only A or A+, but those two are so above any sort of chart, is not even funny!
"jolting feedback doesnt care" lol
I'm pretty sure I have an explosive payload x kinetic tremors midnight coup in my vault 😂
I’m not sure why people say scout rifles suck. They don’t
Outside of lightweight frames. Thet feel, comparatively, bad to use.
Doom of chelchis with explosive/frenzy is so good
@ 100% agree
put it this way, the best scout rifle doesn’t top the best hand cannon/pulse/auto
They do, that’s why they’re getting buffed
YES keep cooking!
Solid mfn list
Dude it turns out we have a lot of the same rolls on these firearms
nice! You have good taste haha
Best special next?
yep!
Best primary in the game is a special weapon. I rarely use a primary even in GMs.
for some its a "what to use", for me, its a "what to avoid", $%^& the META! Third Axiom Forever!
Kinetic tremors is so over hyped. I personally don’t like it because it literally does no damage. 3 bursts of minor damage is not worth it. I’d rather use explosive payload because atleast that has a true damage boost with no falloff
The best legendary primary is abberant act... oh wait... ah... yes... I don't really use legendary primaries aside from champ stun and shoot to loot. Well, I use them sometimes during normal dungeon solos but that's about it. I use heliocentric a lot when I solo dungeons. I feel like legendary primaries need some help as soon as you enter expert and above.
Lemme know if anyone has an active raiding clan
People still play this lol
Let's be real tho legendary primaries suck it's really sad I miss the day of fate bringer in d1
Meta pony’s …
A Meta roll for Multimach is attrition orbs and target lock would be on that list
Target lock is literally one of the WORST damage perks in PvE.
It's not meta it's OP get it right little millennials little generation z generation x we started gaming before y'all were even born and we call weapons and things OP not meta like a little girl we don't sit there and use the word meta over and over get a life
It's a shame that there are like 500 legendary primary weapons and only like 20 of them are worth using.
shoot to loot + KT can't roll anymore on Hung Jury
Go to zavala and focus it from legacy...the old version has shoot to loot and kinetic tremors.
I must be the only one who thinks Kinetic Tremors is one of the most overrated perks in the game. For everyday play, sure. Useless in end game.
@@Dynasty1818 it's amazing in GMs. If you're not using an exotic primary the only options in my Opinion are primaries with KT, double damage, or jolting feedback.
@@db1872 Yep. Any AoE damage is solid in GMs, paired with shoot to pick up ammo/orbs in a slightly larger area, and great for stunning unstops too.
Its the opposite
@@db1872 But my issue is, with KT it knocks the champions away from the 2nd and 3rd bursts of damage once the 1st goes off, so the aoe damage becomes pretty useless. It should "stick" to the target instead, THAT would make it useful.
Blast Furnace was my baby when it was first released years ago. At the time I used my Zen moment and kill clip in pve and pvp. Now, kinetic tremors and frenzy/O4A for PvE, and Headseeker and rapid hit for pvp have kept me happy.
Just not a fan of lightweights like that. They don't hit hard enough for me. Outbreak not included, as that's my favorite Destiny weapon of all time.
You need to explain how to get weapons 🙄