Setting up a detroit diesel 71 series head
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- Опубликовано: 20 авг 2019
- Joe came in to finish up what the machine shop didn’t do right on the detroit diesel 671 head. The head that dropped a valve the day before that came out of the machine shop two weeks prior. Scott, Scott and Gary all pitched in.
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Joe is the reason America works. Smart, dedicated, and honest value.
Unfortunately people like Joe are a dying breed. Everything is throw away now. So sad. Real craftsmanship attention to detail, and pride in your work are not as valued as they once were. The funny part is is that it's rare now and not the norm so people like Scott and Joe seem exceptional. I'm not saying they aren't but it used to be way common to find people of their caliber. This video is almost the epitome of " the good old days".
@@TODDFINK1 That made me sad..
25:24 American tools too :)
Man, that guy knows his shit.. Im guessing hes been doing that work for 30+years.
Jeremy Lay
Probably longer
Someday's your the Teacher Someday's your the Student. He learned alot today. Customers will benefit.
I learned a lot that ain’t in the book too. Yesterday he set up my governor with parts from other series engines to give me the best governor. That new governor does things i never knew was possible. It makes the engine perform like nothing I’ve ever experienced. Idle and high speed springs from a 92, a light weight setup and my engine springs to life.
Be sure you commit all of this to memory so you can do it to mine. I'm liking what I'm seeing. I'm also assuming this guy builds high performance Detroits.
Feel like I went to a Diesel Head University graduate course.
Agreed. It's all good!
Everyday in life is a learning experience. Man did he have some knowledge.
I’m a 26 year old engine builder. I rebuild Cummins ISM and ISX engines for local city buses and I’ve never seen or been taught some of the stuff I’ve learned in this video
Welcome to the wonderful world of 2 stroke screaming Detroits, lots of noise, lots of leaky oil and no power, stick with those Cummins best engines made.
The manufacturers don't want you to fix any of their parts , they want you to buy their remanufactured over priced parts.
When I was younger I served an apprenticeship,but after the 1970's Apprenticeships were reduced in value and the teaching of apprentices was considered to be non PC. Mostly by leftist politicos who didn't understand why apprentice wages were lower than a tradesmans rate.
As an Apprentice I was taught every aspect necessary to either be a good tradesman or a successful business owner . I worked on all sorts of engines including these detroits,cats,cummins, ,a lot of the English brands ranging from truck engines to marine low speed diesels (Sulzer etc ).Add to that the time spent learning machining,electrical and so on we given a very well rounded education . That appears to have gone now unless you are in some military job.
@@maxpuppy96 Don't diss Detroit 2 strokes. They powered American industry and a good part of the world for 50 years or so. They could be configured not only for LEFT or RIGHT Rotation but other things as well (like which side the exhaust manifold was on) and were reasonably inexpensive to overhaul. There are others that will argue your point about Cummins being the best engine made too. You got some pretty strong contenders in Europe (who invented the diesel engine?) if you start talking best engine made!
Mercmad now we have so much technology that is able to reduces the skills one needs to keep these newer engines on the road. Things are so much more precise and intuitive now that you don’t need a 5 year apprenticeship. I started in the military at 17y/o and worked my way up once I got into the civilian sector. Not to mentioned everything is specialized now so no matter how good of an engine builder I am, my company would never allow me to rebuild a head. Simply send it to someone who specializes in that sort of stuff. Nonetheless I appreciate the craft and am always open to learning and perfecting my craft.
That is a man that knows his job and explains why very well. So glad Joe could take time to get your 2 stroke head done correctly. Nothing beats experience.
One of the best Detroit 2 stroke head videos on the internet! Rebuilt a 453, had head rebuilt locally.....didn’t work out (crack was pinned and failed). Found Leid Diesel out of PA for a rebuilt head ....probably the best Detroit 2 stroke shop in the US! Extremely knowledgeable, answered every question I couldn’t find in my 453 manual.
Thanks for posting another great video!
I've never owned or worked on a Detroit, but I am an engineer. The simplicity, symmetry and flexibility of that design is a beautiful sight to me. So many things today are one size fits none, it's nice to see something designed by men trying to make the best solution, not a design by committee.
Thank you for a fantastic video!
This was one of the most informational videos I've ever watched on setting up a head. So much knowledge!
Learning from the Master, Grasshopper.
This is by far my favorite episode yet. Love learning how the old school masters do it. I'm going to watch again!
You can tell this man has spent a lot of time with diesel grease on his hands. It's a shame that these guys are going away and most of the time their knowledge is going with them. It's awesome that you make these videos to preserve some of this priceless information.
I hate that you had to go through this but being able to learn all of that from Joe seems like a nice silver lining.
All you Detroit mechanics out there watching this video. Tell your coworkers, this video should be required watching and listening. If I were a mechanic I would download this so I could watch it again and again to get every fragment of information out of it.
Great vid of how it should have been finished the first time by the shop. While i am first to admit anyone can have an off day and forget to do all that is required to best fit as possible this seems to show it was more get it done quick and not give a damn about the finished job. These are the sort of things that would make me never go to this shop ever again, and I would warn anyone i knew locally to them to not go near them as their workmanship is bad. Imagine the mess this engine would have been if it had dropped the valve while on the highway at 60 MPH it would have likely have been a total rebuild or complete engine wreck. You obviously have lots of good Karma built up over the years to have such good luck it happened on a morning start where you were not hitting the road as soon as possible and were standing with the bay open and saw the smoke straight away. Still a pain to have to do so much corrective action and needless extra repairs due to someone else's bad work.
I always find when moving to new place the hardest things to find are a good Doctor a good Vet a good transmission place and ESPECIALLY hard to find a good mechanic that you can trust to do a job right the first time. This last one is hard because if he dont do all work in house which none can then he has to rely on others to do jobs he cant like you did in this case and if they let him down like you were he has to make sure to check their work before reinstalling to make sure all is well until he trusts their work enough to know they will always do it right.
You paid good money for a good job and got crap in return imagine if this was a head you had sent in for a customer and got it back and had installed it in their bus only to have all this go wrong not only would they blame you but they would be calling you out long and loud as a bad mechanic, which you arent, this shop that did this head should be named and shamed for their shoddy work to warn all to not use them, as they dont give a crap about their work
The work that Joe did here reminds me of all of the amazing things my Dad taught me while he was on the Blue Marble. Dad was a WWII Navy Machinist's Mate - aircraft mechanic and showed me so much about fixing v. replacing. Thanks Scott and team for these great videos, now documented for all in great detail.
Not to mention an entire thesarus of swear words.
Old school mechanics are the best. No computer required... Parts changers need not apply...
Gary says, "I fixed an oil leak." Understatement of the century with these old Detroit diesels, LOL!
Fortunately Scott is fixing the world's oil leaks one Screamin' Jimmy at a time.
This is the proof of the old saying "you're never too old to learn something". Awesome knowledge and attention to detail. A lifetime of 'spannertime' evident here. I think you've got solid grounds to sue that machine shop, not least for misrepresentation and negligence, at the very least I'd name and shame them. Garys bus is a beauty, absolutely stunning, one can only imagine what the interior is like. Regards to all from the UK.
I’ve worked on farm tractor diesels before, but after watching this video, the GMs are like a fine Swiss watch when it comes to tolerances that convert into reliability. My hats off to Joe, he is a master craftsman that knows the manual and the field experience manual... the best !
What incredible knowledge, I'd say Joe has probably forgotten more than most guys know but it sounds like he is an incredible machinist and doesn't miss a trick! Most of all willing to teach and share his experience. Makes learning a lot easier.
Guys like Joe are a dying breed. As great as they are in the field, they should really be in a class room or take on apprentices. Problem is most young mechanics already know everything and would not give these men the respect they have earned through years of doing things right. If your mechanic doesn't have gray hair, I doubt you are getting what you think you are. This whole head fiasco is a perfect example. In a few years all these great guys will be gone and the knowledge and skill with them. Great job Joe, but, I'm sure it's just another day and job for you.
Great video! I've been in the motor trade over 40 years...this guy really knows his stuff, great to see...was glued all the way through!
Greetings from Australia.
I thoroughly enjoyed this. Two major take-away's from this video.... 1) There's always room to learn more about the work that you do every day. 2) I'd say it's pretty official now - Y&S is no longer the "preferred" machine shop (until such time as they hire somebody with more knowledge and experience).
It's like secret squirrel knowledge worth gold. The 67 eagle is pristine😊 from BCM owner.
Elvis has arrived.
A very wise drag racer/ engine builder once told me to go by this saying... “nothing fits and everything is dirty”, so pre-assemble and make it fit then clean it good before assembly!
Love the use of the speed handle--old school.
VW guys may have read Bob Hoover's sermons. Joe is Bob Hoover's doppelganger. This was a real treat to watch.
This sure brings back old memories. I've set up many, many Detroit 2 stroke heads years ago. That's all behind me now but it's fun to see it again.
Never ceases to amaze me the engineering that went into these little yet all so important details.
A master class! Joe is worth his weight in gold. Sadly, DD's are antiques. Everything today is replace, not rebuild.
Newer buses are nice but I really like the old two-stroke diesels best. They have that hot rod caricature that I will always have found memories of.
Now that gentleman is somebody who cares and knows their craft. And what typically works for me is the guys who spot signs of abuse quickly (ie: the vice marks, and the signs of hitting the valve with a hammer).
And extra kudos to your host as well. He's also good at documenting little details and clarifications, and he ain't bad with the camera either.
What a master class in mechanical experience. Beautiful to watch. You must have the right tooling for that work. He is a cool teacher.
Great video. When I first started driving in the mid 80s the mechanics that could work on the these engines were plentiful. At that time all the truck and bus engines were mechanical. Now there are very few left, and those that are still around are in their 70s and 80s. Love watching them and trying absorb a little of their wealth of knowledge. Befoer to long they will all be gone.
Your honesty about what you did not know was IMPRESSIVE!
Nice to see a true Detroit Diesel Technician. He knows his stuff. Too bad that your machine shop butchered the job so badly. Kudos to you for catching the problem as it failed Scott.
i like to see stuff broke apart, and fixed back together. that mechanic knows his stuff, tips too.
Experience. Kids Practice,practice, practice. I was astonished by how stupid my Dad was when I was 19. What really amazed me was how much he had learnt by the time I was 21!
They are a smrt bunch of whippersnappers tho. These millennials are educated so much better than we were. The internet can make you as good or evil as you desire. So sad the teachers aren't paid up to what they should make. I'd love to hang out with Scott or this guy for a couple of months. The knowledge would just drop around them waiting for someone to pick it up.
Teachers are instrumental in your upbringing and thirst for knowledge. Do you remember one particular teacher that really influenced you? I do but I also remember the one's who were really bad.
He did this for you! I have relatives out that way. They are very generous. No doubt he do this for friends and family, but not much more. Reminds me of battlefield mechanics I saw. They would do complicated machine work with hand tools on a bench or vice, under a tent. Nuts. Now, I want to see the video of when you get home and go to the machine shop.
This is like watching The Traveling Wilburys of mechanics, a whole lot of extreme talent on this project. A real pleasure to watch. And you all seem to be cut from good leather too.
RB E great analogy
Man.. some serious talent there.... Many years worth of knowledge... blood sweat and tears.... Glad to see some sharing...
Joe really knows his stuff, you can tell he's been working on 71's and 92's for decades with the knowledge he has.
2 stroke Detroit requires lots of special tooling and Knowledge (very important ) for correct operation . Many newer machinists and machine shops have no idea of proper operations for Detroit .
Man it’s neat watching joe work. Amazing watching a pro work. There is a lot of knowledge working on the bus. Bet you wish joe could do the whole head.
No matter how much you know or how expert you are, there is always more to learn.
I am really looking forward to hearing your Detroit running again. This is a clinic on proper shop techniques. Your mechanic is a master of his craft, Love it!
I have a distinct feeling Lenny is going to appreciate this care :)
Guy sure knows his heads stuff , good guy to know !!!.
Injection timing is affected by injector protrusion, so is spray pattern to a lesser extent. I bet it runs sweet now. They usually sound different too.
Will we get an inside tour of Garys bus? It looks like its beautiful inside. And man, what a generator that is.
Jeremy Lay He Did a nice job of putting the generator in the compartment that used to house the road AC compressor.
One Master passing down the secrets of a Detroit to another Master willing to listen and learn.. Fantastic!
Always love reaming the hole!
Wow! That felt like a “Master Class” in head repair! Thanks all the way around.
Truly unfortunate you had to find out the hard way, this stuff is great to watch, but way beyond my pay grade. Great video !
There was some serious knowledge being bandied about . Deep respect . Advice from an experienced mechanic is beyond gold . And you've got e real chance of being robbed in this world . Great video 👍🇬🇧
Also called....why not to put your head together in the street right before a rain storm. Glad you found this guy Scott. Nothing beats experience. Keep on busin!
Got to love those old school guys.
Wearing the old blue heavy coveralls in the middle of summer.
I sweated my way through many a hot summer day (night) wearing the uniform.
Never had to rebuild a complete head like that, always lucky in that the shops in my part of the world were still putting them together properly.
You forget how much work goes into doing the job right.
Great video.
Good to see Gary, reminded me to renew my subscription! Great video showing the fixes for your head.
What a great bunch of men.and so much knowledge between them all.not sure if its really possible but i feel so much smarter after this video . Im a bit old and washed up.but i still dream of selling my house and getting an old bus.
Long time ago The Interstate Battery Great Race came through St. Louis. I got to see a 1902(?) Mercedes engine completely apart laid on a sheet in the parking lot getting repaired. The man was covered in grease as his wife fussed that they were late for the dinner party. Lol This engine only had about 50 pieces to it.It was GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ha ! I would have told her to go to the dinner party and let me finish the job in peace. Lol....
Wow, I learn a lot on this vlog. Will sign up for the Bus Conversion Mag. Thanks, BGM
Totally awesome of Joe to share knowledge like this.
Thanks Joe !
After this video, and what Joe looked at and did.
Those guys in the machine shop probably cut some corners, and they may just not have know what needed to be done to that head. They left out a bunch of steps.
It's a wonder that it ran as lone as it did before it gave you trouble.
Learned a lot I had no idea of.
A special thanks to your host/client Scott, for letting you use his garage, and all he did to help, so you weren't doing this out in some rest stop.
I enjoyed seeing how to set injector seats!
It’s nice to watch an artist at work.
I always hate fiddling with -71 rockers but today I learned at least one new thing and I been doing these for a while.
What a wealth of information! I really enjoy working with people like him. I had the pleasure of working with people like him over the years, I hope I can pass on some of what they have taught me. Good Stuff!
Wow what a treat. I could not stop watching. Thanks!!!
Watching a true master at his craft right there, that was awsome. I haven't subscribed to BCM yet, but will, and I hear that it is full of great tips for us laymen.
I’m glad you are getting it fixed now.
Enjoyed the video bro and good to see a true craftsman at work.
Wow, you hit the mother load in great help! Glad you found these knowledgeable guys.
BGM, what a road trip this has been thus far. Who knew when you left Indy it would turn out to be so eventful. You helped your clients with their needs and then you find yourself at the receiving end of needing help. You get it and now your Lenny is running and sounding strong and you have new knowledge. What you have received in kind you will surely return it. Maybe your first Burning Man festival will provide an opportunity. Safe travels...🖖🔧🔩
Always great videos to watch and always amazing good old school knowledge learned. I remember using that injector cup reamer back in 1986 at Lincoln Tech.
Awesome!!! I could listen to him all day!!!
Great to see it put together correctly now great learning experience
Awesome stuff! He really knows his stuff, amazing knowledge and experience to do it "by feel"!
Really enjoyed this video. I love the old school master mechanics. They are very few an far between
That was amazing... so many ways to get it wrong and only one way to get it right ! ! !
Guys like Joe are getting harder and harder to find these days,one in a million for sure.
Really nice looking bus, Gary! Another interesting repair job with some top bus mechanics learning from old-school, masters. What a great bunch of guys lending Scott a hand when he was in trouble!
Learning something new every time I watch!
Thank you!
What a fantastic video.
I've had two heads machined built up and returned. (4 cylinder 4 stroke) I did not know that there was so much to worry about. Mine were fitted. torqued and worked.
Exception video explaining operation of all the parts of the head and what is critical to performance!
I feel as if I just watch the Yoda of machining and mechanics explaining how the work is done and why. When you have someone who really cares about the quality of the job they are doing it is a pleasure to watch. Too bad the people at the machine shop never bothered to learn how to properly do the work they were hired to do. Maybe they can watch the video or better yet hire this man to come and teach them the proper way to do what they charged for doing.
Great video of the progress 👍
Scott I can tell you were truly humbled by this man named Joe, as I would be too.
Hey Scott, thats some video, big thumbs up to the camera person, so enjoyed the wealth of knowledge from the master, did my diesel fuel injection course on Cummins, Lucas & Bosch way back in 85 when i came out the Army , nice to learn new what they did'nt teach me, that engine sure is goin to purr, cheers, Chas, uk.
The God's of diesel engines meet. I am surprised there wasn't lighting. The Masters at work!
Let me add another WOW to these comments. This video really shows the details involved in properly setting up a Detroit head by a man with obvious experience. Looking back at the crappy job the machine shop in Indiana did, it is a miracle you made it to Oregon with such little damage. Your customer turned out to be your savior. LOL, I hope you gave him a discount. As always, thanks again Scott for your great videos.
It wasn't so much a crappy job but the best that the least experienced man could do. Scott learned something that he needed learn a long time ago. Just one more tuition payment to the school of hard knocks.
Machine shops aren't what they used to be, sadly. Glad you're blessed with a guy like Joe to help set things up properly on the head.....I had the good fortune of having an old timer by the name of Garland Eisele mentor me at Cummins Mid-States Power years ago. Can't beat experience....and it's the best learning tool around.
Interesting stuff here. Thank you for sharing the knowledge!
Scott, you and Joe make a good team! A machine shop that doesn't do the work right is worse than useless. A bad shop can set up a situation that can easily become disastrous. Nothing you don't already know.
Awesome educational video scott. I think you need to find a new machine shop to do your heads. Hope the bus is running great now. Safe travels buddy!!!
As my instructor would say in college after the break , back to class gentlemen . Great video .
Excellent video, can't wait to see her run
Great video! Theres not a single class or school out there that can teach you what someone like Joe knows from turning wrenches all these years. Its true shame that alot of the old skool folk are dwindling away, with all their knowledge. Not to many of your video you make that I dont learn something new!
Yeah, in-depth video... Much better, love it.
Great video... documents the correct tools and procedures... as a reference!
Looks like u need 2 find a new machine shop? Glad to c u get back on the road! Btw, Nice custom Eagle conversion!