I like, how Ian Holm plays Ash with that special kind of peevishness, as if he isn't eager at all to care for Kane (he very much is for specifc reasons, as we all know).
The stain on Kane's lungs is the embryo of the alien growing into a fetus, and Ash knows exactly what he's dealing with. I guess at this point he has already received instructions from Weyland Yutani's weapons division to bring back the creature, the crew being "expendable", according to the special order of the company.
Scenes like this illustrate what makes this movie so good, the portrayal is very realistic with awkward silences and hesitant talking, exactly how people would behave if such horrific things were happening. I think they should've had one of the characters have a full nervous breakdown.
I can't remember any movie i've seen where mere conversation scenes seem so authentic. I could probably have watched the whole movie like this if there had been no alien.
Same here - in fact I have been known to watch only the first 30 minutes of the movie for this reason. If you have not read it, I recommend the novelisation which has so much more of this brilliant dialogue.
People forget because Ian is remembered as such a legend of cinema, but he was pretty unknown in movies at the time, his career until this had been mostly on stage.
Who did the casting of Alien was Mary Selway. The choice of actors was just perfect, and she certainly contributed to one of the best science fiction films in the history of cinema. The tense pace of the scene as well as the delivery of the actors are brilliant. Ridley Scott should have kept this scene for the theater release in 1979.
This is the first movie I ever saw with that syle of acting. It was a lot closer to real life than other wham bam paced things I'd seen. I was 14. They put it on the night Italy won the World Cup and my Dad let me stay up to watch it. It was amazing and the best thing since the 2 Jaws movies.
Dallas asked the same question and Ash played it off as a stain on the lens. In the novel, after the Alien emerges from Kane, Dallas goes straight to Ash and accuses him of hiding the fact there was an alien in Kane and says he killed him on purpose. The novel was based on original scripts. Dallas also explains that he’s going into the air shaft and pulled rank on Ripley, because he made the mistake of ignoring Ripley on the quarantine rules and inadvertently infected the Nostromo. Dallas and Ripley were very suspicious of Ash much earlier on in the original scripts. I apologise if you knew this already and have read the novelisation. I just thought I’d share this in case you haven’t.
@@tarantulagirl some stuff I knew like their suspicion of Ash and one of the other crew slapping Ripley. But this stuff is new to me. I take it the novel also had the cocoon scene intact too?
@@Shanethefilmmaker I can't remember - I'd have to look it over again (you'd think i'd remember given I've read it god knows how many times since I first picked up in 4th grade). Alan Dean Foster is a decent sci-fi writer, I'd highly recommend giving his work a short. Check out the alien novelizations (1-3) and the Pip and Flinx series.
To be fair Ash was well suspect as soon as the alien got on board, he was hostile to anybody that questioned him, aside from Lambert, but he knew Lambert wasn’t a threat. He knew Dallas and Ripley were and that Parker and Brett wouldn’t take his shit.
Dallas already knew about the mission. He read the company order and helped ash. He knew he was not supposed to bring a potential hazardous organism onto the ship, but he did it anyways.
@@avrrojas84 Wow.... That WOULD make him a jerk, but he he did insist on going into the ducts to hunt the thing.. and KILL it... so that goes against orders, doesn't it? Or... he was just committing suicide...
I've always wondered if the script , here and there in small ways, was deliberately intended to hint that Lambert was romantically attracted to Brett. This deleted scene seems to also suggest that she was sweet on Kane as well. Ms. Cartwright's performance in Alien is marvelous. Despite the character's near constant apprehension and comparative fear, Lambert is perhaps the most humanitarian-minded one of the lot.
There is a creepy humming in this scene and others in the film prior to the now famous horrific lunch scene. When Ripley has an argument with Ash (who let Kane and the facehugger in the Nostromo}, there is a another theatening noise of a sliding door with a low rumble and Ash has an evil twich of the eye. At this point, I was seriously considering leaving the theater for some fresh air. I had never been so scared in my life!
That was always my perception. That the stain *was* the deposit of the facehugger. That she was seeing the embryo alien (or whatever you would call it) and just didn't recognize it or have any way of knowing (yet) what it was.
The only thing is this scene is silly, too many crew in a medical emergency situation possibly being contaminated, etc. Kind of absurd. And the plot hole keeps coming nagging at me these days, they saw the Space Jockey with a massive hole exploded outward from its chest cavity, ribcage, etc. and nobody makes the connection at all? Not even remotely? It's a bit absurd. Doesn't totally ruin the movie for me nowadays, but almost. The Science Officer doesn't know what an ovipositor might look like? No parasite keeps its host alive for any good reason. Also, how does a face hugger get at the Space Jockey given it's gigantic, and seems to lack a human type mouth? Lord knows.
@@thiscorrosion900 Ash knew what the Ovipositor was, but here's the thing; The other crewmembers are just Blue Collar Tradespeople.........They aren't biological scientists with focuses in Animal Science and Zoology. Ash was a programmed s***b** android assigned by the Company to bring the Alien back to Earth. He was deceiving and filbustering the rest of the crew.
@@josephruiz7233 Right, I know that. Still, it stretches some credibility that nobody else even remotely suspects it could be like an egg-laying insect type parasite or whatever. Otherwise why attach to his face, put something down his throat and keep him alive and not do any other apparent damage to him? But anyway, I never thought much about that aspect when I first saw the film in 1979. Ash just acts as baffled as everybody else except he says "well it's one tough little son of a bitch," etc. Actually in the cut scene Ripley does see something on the autodoc scanner and says so, but there's not much anyone can do about it since Ash is b.s.in'g them, etc.
That damn thing has had a tube down Kane's throat for some time. And now Ripley is noticing a stain on Kane's lungs? Uh oh. And Ash doesn't know what the stain is, only that it is blocking the scanner attempts to analyze it? Blocking the scanner, Ash? What do you mean, "blocking the scanner"!!?? Sounds rather ominous to me. Might want to figure out a way to get familiar with the intricate details of the mysterious scanner blocking lung stain. Quickly, Ash. As in NOW !!!
It’s also in the original Star Wars and it’s also heard in The Empire Strikes Back in one of the lower areas of the Bespin station when Luke is fighting Vader.
Why at the beginning of the scene, is Ash so nervous? I mean when he abruptly removes the mask. Maybe because he suddenly realizes the creature is implanting a fetus inside a "sentenced to death" Kane ?
It's because he knows it's doing that and his orders are to get it back to earth. He's debating how he's going to do that without alerting the rest of the crew.
Without 'Aliens' and Bishop, the nature of the androids is ambiguous at best. We don't know enough about how Ash should normally function (he seems to be experiencing some kind of malfunction, which is clear when he is 'revealed'). David in 'Prometheus' seems to have been designed (written) as autonomous. Bishop is the only one that operates within strict ethical rules and he's the only one written without Scott's involvement.
I’ve always wondered why the lungs? Of all the places in the human body, why the lungs. The esophagus on the other hand that would prime location to implant a larvae. But I guess it’s scarier when don’t know anything.
I'll say, but Tarantino gives them stuff to talk about. Royale with cheese, don't believe in tipping, and they're all engaging while talking about it too, like it's a party. Here they just mumble, often not answering each other, and letting their words just dissolve in the air, and it never lets go of your attention somehow.
It was an ongoing scan though. I would think it would be difficult for him to alter a scan that was in progress. And it's possible that the facehugger inserts an umbilical of sorts into it's victim to aid in the implantation. I suppose it's even possible that the scanner on the nostromo was less advance that the one that was used in alien 3. Perhaps the alien's skin is made from something that a less advanced scanners have difficulty seeing through
OR Muther is altering the screen to hide the embryo implantation. If Muther did not, Dallas would have ordered Ash to cut open Kane to remove the embryo possibly killing it in which would violate Order 937.
I can see why they cut the scene. Yes, the slow, silent nature of it is realistic, but would have slowed the movie down a little too much without advancing the plot.
There's a stain on his lungs and android refuses to tell them what he's scanned they're all like: It could be some illness or something, let's leave him there and wait to see what happens.
in movie take, Jones is screaming "why don't you freeze him!" It a good thing they didn't, because having that alien run around Earth would have been worse.
Ash's personality very closely resembles that of David's, as if he's a follower of David's creed or maybe he's a rudimentary copy of David himself. Why would Ash care so much about the "perfect organism" if he's just an android programmed to carry out the plan of preserving the creature? He cares. There's more going on. Well see if we ever get an answer, though.
Those prequels where complete garbage. Aside from visually looking amazing they will not be remembered like this film in 40 odd years. RS is only as good as his script, he should of chosen a more wisely.
Seems like a plot gimmick to not be able to see at least the outline of the alien inside Kane. Pretty sure the alien doesn't have magic powers to block x-rays from showing at least that much.
But she used the scanner on herself after the one alien (can't remember what their called) had detached itself. Maybe it was that alien that was interferring with the scanner.
Alien 5, huh? Hmm that Prometheus? Left us with more questions than answers. Or Alien Covenant? Even more questions!! Had Covenant linked onto Prometheus better they could have been 2 decent Alien movies. As they were I enjoyed them. But only because I realized Covenant wasn't going to link the two movies together the way I hoped so I got that disappointment out of the way weeks before I finally saw it.
Take notes! New movies with CGI aren't as memorable as these kind!! Even the character lines are more realistic & the actors are polished! Wasn't about how good looking they were! Just natural actors & a good story line with special affects/creature(s).... Now most people are eye candy with no talent!!!! And poor cgi. LOL SY FY channel etc!
I'm still wondering how a director that made such a masterpiece was able to direct such a bad movie as Robin Hood. Well, one has a right to do a mistake every now and then, it's only human.
I like, how Ian Holm plays Ash with that special kind of peevishness, as if he isn't eager at all to care for Kane (he very much is for specifc reasons, as we all know).
Later he tells Ripley: "Anything else?" He wants her OUT.
The stain on Kane's lungs is the embryo of the alien growing into a fetus, and Ash knows exactly what he's dealing with. I guess at this point he has already received instructions from Weyland Yutani's weapons division to bring back the creature, the crew being "expendable", according to the special order of the company.
Jean Loup Knecht remember David sent out a transmission way before this.
Is that the alien embryo growing inside Kane?
He was programmed before he was put on this "mission".He replaced the other science officer that Dallas had flown with before.
In the future astronauts will smoke cigarettes in their spaceships.
@@mikekomalley Give me a cig which doesn't ruin my health, I'll smoke it after a good meal with pleasure (quit completely 9 years ago).
Scenes like this illustrate what makes this movie so good, the portrayal is very realistic with awkward silences and hesitant talking, exactly how people would behave if such horrific things were happening. I think they should've had one of the characters have a full nervous breakdown.
True. A nervous breakdown from one of the characters would have made the movie more intense.
I think it's safe to say that Lambert was close to a nervous breakdown.
Except for a total disrespect of gravity and acceleration laws, yes.
Lambert's a she.
This clip is about Alien, not Aliens. Btw, chill out. Life's too short to have a flame out over something like this.
Ash has a tick when Lambert starts talking. Like he is annoyed.
Yeah those damn old 120-A/2 were always a bit twitchy ya know
I’m always impressed with how well cast this movie is. I also love the silences between speaking parts that create so much tension.
I can't remember any movie i've seen where mere conversation scenes seem so authentic. I could probably have watched the whole movie like this if there had been no alien.
Same here - in fact I have been known to watch only the first 30 minutes of the movie for this reason.
If you have not read it, I recommend the novelisation which has so much more of this brilliant dialogue.
Yeah, it could have just been a gritty science fiction drama about paranoia and claustrophobia and I still would have loved it to be honest.
Because the acting is so on point, you believe everything they say to be factual because they embody their characters completely.
People forget because Ian is remembered as such a legend of cinema, but he was pretty unknown in movies at the time, his career until this had been mostly on stage.
Or if the Alien had just been some mass hallucination, and they all just did each other in.
Who did the casting of Alien was Mary Selway. The choice of actors was just perfect, and she certainly contributed to one of the best science fiction films in the history of cinema. The tense pace of the scene as well as the delivery of the actors are brilliant. Ridley Scott should have kept this scene for the theater release in 1979.
in this scene, Ripley really seems to have a sense of what the alien might be doing to Kane's body...
She knew outright. That it was parasitically afflicting Kane from the start.
The Xenomorph is a truly ruthless species in the SciFi genre.
No how could she ? She was concerned but she had no idea what it was. The only one who knew outright was Ash.
This is the first movie I ever saw with that syle of acting. It was a lot closer to real life than other wham bam paced things I'd seen. I was 14. They put it on the night Italy won the World Cup and my Dad let me stay up to watch it. It was amazing and the best thing since the 2 Jaws movies.
"you alright" says the robot
"yep" lies the panicky navigator
So little is explained about the characters yet they all feel so real. Brilliant Cast.
"What's that stain on his lungs?" Holy fuck she knew.
Dallas asked the same question and Ash played it off as a stain on the lens. In the novel, after the Alien emerges from Kane, Dallas goes straight to Ash and accuses him of hiding the fact there was an alien in Kane and says he killed him on purpose. The novel was based on original scripts. Dallas also explains that he’s going into the air shaft and pulled rank on Ripley, because he made the mistake of ignoring Ripley on the quarantine rules and inadvertently infected the Nostromo. Dallas and Ripley were very suspicious of Ash much earlier on in the original scripts. I apologise if you knew this already and have read the novelisation. I just thought I’d share this in case you haven’t.
@@tarantulagirl some stuff I knew like their suspicion of Ash and one of the other crew slapping Ripley. But this stuff is new to me. I take it the novel also had the cocoon scene intact too?
@@Shanethefilmmaker I can't remember - I'd have to look it over again (you'd think i'd remember given I've read it god knows how many times since I first picked up in 4th grade). Alan Dean Foster is a decent sci-fi writer, I'd highly recommend giving his work a short. Check out the alien novelizations (1-3) and the Pip and Flinx series.
@@tarantulagirl apology accepted
To be fair Ash was well suspect as soon as the alien got on board, he was hostile to anybody that questioned him, aside from Lambert, but he knew Lambert wasn’t a threat. He knew Dallas and Ripley were and that Parker and Brett wouldn’t take his shit.
Dallas already knew about the mission. He read the company order and helped ash. He knew he was not supposed to bring a potential hazardous organism onto the ship, but he did it anyways.
@hardstyle905 yes sir, how can I help you?
@@avrrojas84 How do you know that? Is it because we see Dallas talking to "MOTHER?"
@@HC-cb4yp exactly. He read the orders and had full access as the captain. Like ash said “all other priorities rescinded” crew “expendable”.
@@avrrojas84 Wow.... That WOULD make him a jerk, but he he did insist on going into the ducts to hunt the thing.. and KILL it... so that goes against orders, doesn't it? Or... he was just committing suicide...
I've always wondered if the script , here and there in small ways, was deliberately intended to hint that Lambert was romantically attracted to Brett. This deleted scene seems to also suggest that she was sweet on Kane as well. Ms. Cartwright's performance in Alien is marvelous. Despite the character's near constant apprehension and comparative fear, Lambert is perhaps the most humanitarian-minded one of the lot.
Better than the whole movie Prometheus
@hardstyle905 When you turn 14, you'll understand why that isn't the case. Or are you just TERRIBLY fashionable?
@@HC-cb4ypI'm almost 40 and didn't think Prometheus was that great
@@HC-cb4yp prometheus was all style no substance
i know what you mean, natural dialogue would have significantly elevated Prometheus.
Movies don't do that anymore. :(
An authentic scene in my view and would have added to the building horror of the movie.
It wasn't added so that people didn't have a clue about Kane bursting open by the alien. I am glad it was deleted.
There is a creepy humming in this scene and others in the film prior to the now famous horrific lunch scene. When Ripley has an argument with Ash (who let Kane and the facehugger in the Nostromo}, there is a another theatening noise of a sliding door with a low rumble and Ash has an evil twich of the eye. At this point, I was seriously considering leaving the theater for some fresh air. I had never been so scared in my life!
Ash drinking his "milk" (lighter fluid? Antifreeze?)
Thank you for reminding me of what the first watch feels like. Wish I’d seen this in the theatre and not on video.
That was always my perception. That the stain *was* the deposit of the facehugger. That she was seeing the embryo alien (or whatever you would call it) and just didn't recognize it or have any way of knowing (yet) what it was.
The only thing is this scene is silly, too many crew in a medical emergency situation possibly being contaminated, etc. Kind of absurd. And the plot hole keeps coming nagging at me these days, they saw the Space Jockey with a massive hole exploded outward from its chest cavity, ribcage, etc. and nobody makes the connection at all? Not even remotely?
It's a bit absurd. Doesn't totally ruin the movie for me nowadays, but almost. The Science Officer doesn't know what an ovipositor might look like? No parasite keeps its host
alive for any good reason. Also, how does a face hugger get at the Space Jockey given it's gigantic, and seems to lack a human type mouth? Lord knows.
@@thiscorrosion900 Ash knew what the Ovipositor was, but here's the thing; The other crewmembers are just Blue Collar Tradespeople.........They aren't biological scientists with focuses in Animal Science and Zoology. Ash was a programmed s***b** android assigned by the Company to bring the Alien back to Earth. He was deceiving and filbustering the rest of the crew.
@@josephruiz7233 Right, I know that. Still, it stretches some credibility that nobody else even remotely suspects it could be like an egg-laying insect type parasite or whatever. Otherwise why attach to his face, put something down his throat and keep him alive and not do any other apparent damage to him? But anyway, I never thought much about that aspect when I first saw the film in 1979. Ash just acts as baffled as everybody else except he says "well it's one tough little son of a bitch," etc. Actually in the cut scene Ripley does
see something on the autodoc scanner and says so, but there's not much anyone can do about it since Ash is b.s.in'g them, etc.
Lambert totally fancies Kane.
That thing is having coitus in front of everyone this scene should be censored 😂😂
That damn thing has had a tube down Kane's throat for some time. And now Ripley is noticing a stain on Kane's lungs? Uh oh. And Ash doesn't know what the stain is, only that it is blocking the scanner attempts to analyze it? Blocking the scanner, Ash? What do you mean, "blocking the scanner"!!?? Sounds rather ominous to me. Might want to figure out a way to get familiar with the intricate details of the mysterious scanner blocking lung stain. Quickly, Ash. As in NOW !!!
reservoir dogs, opening scene. with Tarantino you DO watch a whole movie of natural dialogue.
Natural?
Ever notice in all four films Ripley always ran with the toughest guy out of the crew? Real tough chick...women rule!!!
jtw1113 You know what else I've realized? After all these movies the only character that had the most luck was Jones. The cat .
GESSO217 Plot twist, the cat bears The alien queen
Parker and Ripley are comrades.
The roaming sound is Blade Runner’s Deckard appartement 😂
It’s also in the original Star Wars and it’s also heard in The Empire Strikes Back in one of the lower areas of the Bespin station when Luke is fighting Vader.
Parker is my spirit animal
It's called Prometheus. I saw it its really awesome.
Why at the beginning of the scene, is Ash so nervous? I mean when he abruptly removes the mask. Maybe because he suddenly realizes the creature is implanting a fetus inside a "sentenced to death" Kane ?
It's because he knows it's doing that and his orders are to get it back to earth. He's debating how he's going to do that without alerting the rest of the crew.
This is bizarre! and i thought i'd seen all of the cuts.
Without 'Aliens' and Bishop, the nature of the androids is ambiguous at best. We don't know enough about how Ash should normally function (he seems to be experiencing some kind of malfunction, which is clear when he is 'revealed'). David in 'Prometheus' seems to have been designed (written) as autonomous. Bishop is the only one that operates within strict ethical rules and he's the only one written without Scott's involvement.
DaveM599
Scott didn't write Ash either. That was Giler who added the whole android and company into the plot of the film.
I’ve always wondered why the lungs? Of all the places in the human body, why the lungs. The esophagus on the other hand that would prime location to implant a larvae. But I guess it’s scarier when don’t know anything.
Maybe Kanes lungs were biologically a warm wet surrogate womb to safely incubate the parasitic alien in...
So they're just walking around with no protection with this thing that has acid-blood and can potentially jump on their faces at anytime...
They are safe, once it's on someone's face, it doesn't fall off until it's dead
I'll say, but Tarantino gives them stuff to talk about. Royale with cheese, don't believe in tipping, and they're all engaging while talking about it too, like it's a party. Here they just mumble, often not answering each other, and letting their words just dissolve in the air, and it never lets go of your attention somehow.
It was an ongoing scan though. I would think it would be difficult for him to alter a scan that was in progress. And it's possible that the facehugger inserts an umbilical of sorts into it's victim to aid in the implantation. I suppose it's even possible that the scanner on the nostromo was less advance that the one that was used in alien 3. Perhaps the alien's skin is made from something that a less advanced scanners have difficulty seeing through
OR Muther is altering the screen to hide the embryo implantation. If Muther did not, Dallas would have ordered Ash to cut open Kane to remove the embryo possibly killing it in which would violate Order 937.
I can see why they cut the scene. Yes, the slow, silent nature of it is realistic, but would have slowed the movie down a little too much without advancing the plot.
There's a stain on his lungs and android refuses to tell them what he's scanned they're all like: It could be some illness or something, let's leave him there and wait to see what happens.
in movie take, Jones is screaming "why don't you freeze him!" It a good thing they didn't, because having that alien run around Earth would have been worse.
It's Parker who says that, Jones would have just meowed.
@CIarKent Possibly. I see no reason why the alien parasite would be able to block advanced technology.
Inclusions of these scenes would have made for a better sci-fi film?
Dallas and Ash already knew about the classified nature of the mission and crew was expendable…cold blooded…
Dallas didn't know
Ash's personality very closely resembles that of David's, as if he's a follower of David's creed or maybe he's a rudimentary copy of David himself. Why would Ash care so much about the "perfect organism" if he's just an android programmed to carry out the plan of preserving the creature? He cares. There's more going on.
Well see if we ever get an answer, though.
Those prequels where complete garbage. Aside from visually looking amazing they will not be remembered like this film in 40 odd years. RS is only as good as his script, he should of chosen a more wisely.
Or you could put ceramic flooring underneath to catch the acid that will oxidize anyway.
Seems like a plot gimmick to not be able to see at least the outline of the alien inside Kane. Pretty sure the alien doesn't have magic powers to block x-rays from showing at least that much.
But she used the scanner on herself after the one alien (can't remember what their called) had detached itself. Maybe it was that alien that was interferring with the scanner.
Alien 5, huh? Hmm that Prometheus? Left us with more questions than answers. Or Alien Covenant? Even more questions!! Had Covenant linked onto Prometheus better they could have been 2 decent Alien movies. As they were I enjoyed them. But only because I realized Covenant wasn't going to link the two movies together the way I hoped so I got that disappointment out of the way weeks before I finally saw it.
The more i see of these cur scenes to more i believe Dallas had some insight on this. First time i saw this Dallas and Ash seemed odd about it.
Take notes! New movies with CGI aren't as memorable as these kind!! Even the character lines are more realistic & the actors are polished!
Wasn't about how good looking they were! Just natural actors & a good story line with special affects/creature(s)....
Now most people are eye candy with no talent!!!! And poor cgi. LOL SY FY channel etc!
The original cut away so many of Lamberts scenes.
Scott did only single longshot for this scene, which means he desided to cut it out already on set.
@Truth118
Thanks its fixed!
Lamber is not all right. She's overwrought, which is weird cause the actress is born Aries, so she ought to be bossy and brawling all around.
Lol maybe she is playing the role which is not Aries
soy de Colombia y no entieno el ingles, osea no entiendo el dialogo. pero creo que la escena no hizo falta
@TheHJman One only hopes!
AI was always evil
I'm still wondering how a director that made such a masterpiece was able to direct such a bad movie as Robin Hood. Well, one has a right to do a mistake every now and then, it's only human.
#PausimodO links
Idiotic scene... a woman director would have kept it
No, any idiot would keep an idiotic scene, but there is nothing idioting except for your comment.
This movie was boring in the beginning but then got exciting