There are some sources stating that TR-85 is inspired by T-64 as well. Also, the TR-85 is inspired by the other Romanian tank, TR-580, which in turn is inspired by the T-55. So the TR-85 is a combination of T-64, modified T-55 with also some of its own thing, so the TR-85M1 is barely related to the T-55.
This tank TR-85 M1 (Bison) is grater then russian T-72 mbt and weeker then T-90 (is between the 2), and despite is old if it hit by an Jevelyn or Ag-7/ag-9 rochet, the turret dosn't blow in the air like the turret on the T-72 tank because the aiming is manual compare to T-72 (the T-72 has the amunition store exactly on the top of the turret )anmt this is a major drawback of this tank !ps: Off course ....Romanai will sign a big contract to buy in 1-2 years : Abrams sep3 version or Leopard 2/ K2 panther from S Korea !For romania i think Leopard 2 or better K2 panther is in advantage for our terain compare to bulkier M1A2 Abrams !The Abrams may be the better overall tank (better armour then the other 2...), but lacks mobility and that turbine gas engine is somehow unreliable for mudy terain and also cconsume a lot of fuel compare to the other 2 tanks(Leopard 2 and K2 panther)!
@@YGDification Holy shit i have never heard of a more delusional statement. The TR-85 is not in any way better than a Russian T-72B3, Maybe a base original T-72 but not the B3. Not even close to the T-90. This thing is literally based off a T-55 slapped with ERA and new FCS it won't win againts a T-72B3. Also the Ammunition is stored in the back of the turret Javelin and NLAW's will still rip that thing to shred.
@@kitchenersown The T-72 is also an T-55 chassis upgrade and armour !Is the same Shit !On the other hand, our "TR-85 Bison" is upgraded at NATO standards and the optics and aime tehnology from the french Lacrerc MBT !Despite all this is mounted on an T-55 chasie, TR-85 is 80% different from T-55 and greater than T-72 !Only T-90 will surpase TR-85 mbt !And one mention ....the T-90 is built also on T-72 chassis ! Cheers !
@@YGDification what? the T-72 isn't a T-55 chassis? it was literally a whole different chassis? The only good thing on the TR-85 is that it has a decent FCS but even then the T-72B3 also uses French FCS and optics and can be argued is slightly better. The 100mm gun on the TR-85 would struggle to penetrate a T-72B3 in most scenarios and the T-72B3 would knock out the TR-85 easily in almost all angles.
I don't think they'll send it because of the gun. NATO uses 105mm and 120mm tank shells. TR-85M1 uses 100mm shells. It would require specialized munitions only made by Romania since the tank is unique in design, same as its gun.
Romania also developed the TR-125 , a modified and modernized T-72 tank. But they dropped the project due to lack of funds, and the USSR not being a threat anymore. They also designed and built their own jets.
What a non -professional and undocumented video. TR-85 (complete name is TR-85-800) is not a T-55 variant but a tank based on TR-77-580 (TR-580). Because of Romania's cold relations with the USSR at the time, which were a result of Romania refusing to take part in the Prague Spring, the country never acquired the license to build a Soviet tank. Therefore, the TR-77-580 isn't a locally-built T-55, despite being related to it. It have Western influences, such as the extended chassis with 6 road wheels, like seen on the Centurion and Patton series. This was because the tank was intended to use the same engine as the Leopard 1. The refusal of Krauss-Maffei to deliver technology to a Warsaw Pact member forced the romanians designers to reverse engineer the MTU engine that was on Leopard 1 and the result is: 8VS-A2T2M 8-cyl., turbo charged direct injection diesel, 860 hp (640 kW) at 2300 rpm.
I was about to comment this, all these videos saying "Booo, the TR-85M1 is the worst MBT ever, booo" don't have a fucking clue lol. Yes, it is smol, but it's not old nor bad.
@@kitchenersown Again, depends on what role/situation. Front-to-front combat? Yes, this MBT is too smol. But on hit-and-run type of warfare, hell yeah. This MBT is perfect.
@@RoAF_Dev_Team hit and run with an MBT..? what...? this thing weighs more than a damn T-90M tank by around 15 tons it's not very fast it's not shooting and running away and honestly I don't think that any MBT can perform hit and run that is just absurd also what is it gonna penetrate? a T-55? It's not penetrating any from the late cold war to modern tanks.
I like that bell on your bike Dung Tran ❤️ I think this tank can be useful as infantry support or use it like an artillery just as how they're using some tanks in Ukraine.
The new General Dynamics light armored vehicle tank is the literal *future as now* for all of NATO excluding Germany. Russia is proof positive that an overwhelming amount of resource spent on military and Wars means nothing but disaster and so something more performance, tactical, reliable and mobile be the alternative to that. More to the point Ukraine needs boots, socks now Winter turns to warm Spring so Summer combat gear, food, music....morale shapes all Battlefield Victories ultimately with Putin now be seen as more like Suleiman of the Ottoman Days trying to take Vienna now. Romania needs Navy now as well without much need for more...nor less...than something similar to the Safeboat Mark 6 Patrol Boat to start with anyways. This would create familiarty with jet drive propulsion which is of far greater value in fighting upon the Littoral as most assuredly the Black Sea absolutely is.
Haha, I really admire native voices. Romania has ordered 54 M1A2Rs from the US. I don't know if the configuration of these tanks has any customization.
Romania needs to stop all shipments and help to ukrainians and send all ukrainians to west Europe and USA We want no war Who wants war send your children not ours.
Nothing good about it, probably the worst tank of modern times, it is completely useless, nothing more than a mobile cannon - you can do the same with a Toyota😂. I mean think of this: the latest upgraded tank computer is running an Intel 8080.... do i need to say more?
"Nothing good about it" holy yapperoni you are so wrong, first of all not only is it the best T-55 in the world, it features laser warning systems. the BM-421 Sg projectile can penetrate 444 mm of RHAe at 90° at 500 meters, 425 mm at 1000 meters and 328 mm at 4000 meters which is extremely impressive given the limitations of its gun. it has the Ciclop-M fire control system and According to the manual of the Ciclop-M fire control system, the ballistic solution generated ensures a hit percentage greater than 95% for a target under 2000 meters and greater than 75% for a target between 2000 and 3000 meters the Ciclop-M can be used to aim at a target located up to 6 km away with the OF-421 high explosive round, up to 5 km away for the BM-421 Sg APFSDS-T round, 4 km for the armour-piercing ammunition (AP-T) rounds and up to 3 km for the high-explosive anti-tank (HEAT) rounds. The coaxial machine gun can be aimed at a maximum distance of 2 km using the FCS of the tank. those are its most interesting characteristics, now on to the next point. "probably the worst tank of modern times" there's worse tanks than it, the slovenian M-55s, the vietnamese T-55. "it is completely useless" its a good anti-infantry tank (which is how their army uses it) and recent exercises with the US military showed that this tank works really well in support roles. "nothing more than a mobile cannon" yes......which was exactly why tanks even exist in the first place, back in ww1 they needed a breakthrough mobile vehicle, and how did they achieve it? by slapping a cannon on a vehicle, making it a mobile cannon.
@@robiagacitei5487 arguing that it's better than a T-55 or it's variant makes absolutely no sense, all the T-55 variants, regardless of who/where they are made or upgraded have no place other than a museum or a melting plant. All the systems on the TR-85 are extremely outdated and made on small budget. It simply lacks the bare minimum technology to be effective on a battlefield, having a gun that can destroy well armoured targets if hit has no importance if it doesn't get the chance to fire it. Look at the high number of T-72B3M getting blown to bits in Ukraine, and that, i would say, is bare minimum acceptable tank for today's standards, but at the same time incomparably better to the TR-85 and would obliterate it in a conflict.
There are some sources stating that TR-85 is inspired by T-64 as well. Also, the TR-85 is inspired by the other Romanian tank, TR-580, which in turn is inspired by the T-55. So the TR-85 is a combination of T-64, modified T-55 with also some of its own thing, so the TR-85M1 is barely related to the T-55.
Romania needs to send TR-85M1 to Ukraine to test it. After that we will see it is good or not !!!!!!!!!
This tank TR-85 M1 (Bison) is grater then russian T-72 mbt and weeker then T-90 (is between the 2), and despite is old if it hit by an Jevelyn or Ag-7/ag-9 rochet, the turret dosn't blow in the air like the turret on the T-72 tank because the aiming is manual compare to T-72 (the T-72 has the amunition store exactly on the top of the turret )anmt this is a major drawback of this tank !ps: Off course ....Romanai will sign a big contract to buy in 1-2 years : Abrams sep3 version or Leopard 2/ K2 panther from S Korea !For romania i think Leopard 2 or better K2 panther is in advantage for our terain compare to bulkier M1A2 Abrams !The Abrams may be the better overall tank (better armour then the other 2...), but lacks mobility and that turbine gas engine is somehow unreliable for mudy terain and also cconsume a lot of fuel compare to the other 2 tanks(Leopard 2 and K2 panther)!
@@YGDification Holy shit i have never heard of a more delusional statement. The TR-85 is not in any way better than a Russian T-72B3, Maybe a base original T-72 but not the B3. Not even close to the T-90. This thing is literally based off a T-55 slapped with ERA and new FCS it won't win againts a T-72B3. Also the Ammunition is stored in the back of the turret Javelin and NLAW's will still rip that thing to shred.
@@kitchenersown The T-72 is also an T-55 chassis upgrade and armour !Is the same Shit !On the other hand, our "TR-85 Bison" is upgraded at NATO standards and the optics and aime tehnology from the french Lacrerc MBT !Despite all this is mounted on an T-55 chasie, TR-85 is 80% different from T-55 and greater than T-72 !Only T-90 will surpase TR-85 mbt !And one mention ....the T-90 is built also on T-72 chassis ! Cheers !
@@YGDification what? the T-72 isn't a T-55 chassis? it was literally a whole different chassis? The only good thing on the TR-85 is that it has a decent FCS but even then the T-72B3 also uses French FCS and optics and can be argued is slightly better. The 100mm gun on the TR-85 would struggle to penetrate a T-72B3 in most scenarios and the T-72B3 would knock out the TR-85 easily in almost all angles.
I don't think they'll send it because of the gun. NATO uses 105mm and 120mm tank shells. TR-85M1 uses 100mm shells. It would require specialized munitions only made by Romania since the tank is unique in design, same as its gun.
Good enough to keep training and keep up concepts of armored Warfare I guess until something more expensive comes along
It' was quite an achievement in the 80' considering that not many countries are producing their own tanks .
Romania also developed the TR-125 , a modified and modernized T-72 tank. But they dropped the project due to lack of funds, and the USSR not being a threat anymore.
They also designed and built their own jets.
they also designed a better t72 with improved protection and fire power
What a non -professional and undocumented video. TR-85 (complete name is TR-85-800) is not a T-55 variant but a tank based on TR-77-580 (TR-580). Because of Romania's cold relations with the USSR at the time, which were a result of Romania refusing to take part in the Prague Spring, the country never acquired the license to build a Soviet tank. Therefore, the TR-77-580 isn't a locally-built T-55, despite being related to it. It have Western influences, such as the extended chassis with 6 road wheels, like seen on the Centurion and Patton series. This was because the tank was intended to use the same engine as the Leopard 1. The refusal of Krauss-Maffei to deliver technology to a Warsaw Pact member forced the romanians designers to reverse engineer the MTU engine that was on Leopard 1 and the result is: 8VS-A2T2M 8-cyl., turbo charged direct injection diesel, 860 hp (640 kW) at 2300 rpm.
I was about to comment this, all these videos saying "Booo, the TR-85M1 is the worst MBT ever, booo" don't have a fucking clue lol. Yes, it is smol, but it's not old nor bad.
It's also a near copy of another video on RUclips, even using the same thumbnail image (the other video was made over a year ago)
@@RoAF_Dev_Team It is still pretty fucking bad
@@kitchenersown Again, depends on what role/situation. Front-to-front combat? Yes, this MBT is too smol. But on hit-and-run type of warfare, hell yeah. This MBT is perfect.
@@RoAF_Dev_Team hit and run with an MBT..? what...? this thing weighs more than a damn T-90M tank by around 15 tons it's not very fast it's not shooting and running away and honestly I don't think that any MBT can perform hit and run that is just absurd also what is it gonna penetrate? a T-55? It's not penetrating any from the late cold war to modern tanks.
Secret is projectiles,so..Not that bad!
I like that bell on your bike Dung Tran ❤️
I think this tank can be useful as infantry support or use it like an artillery just as how they're using some tanks in Ukraine.
:) I bought it on lazada for just 1$
I ride it every day
Thank you bro
Most powerfull t-55 bisonus "Tr-85"
Could you make a video on the M-55S? It's the modernized T-55 with NATO equipment that has been sent to ukraine and its pretty awesome
Please search on RUclips "M-55S Dung Tran"
You will see it here: ruclips.net/video/T_tYqLYsJmY/видео.html
Thank you
@@DungTranMilitary i didnt realize you already made a video, thank you for making great content man!
Vietnam T-55 is the best T-55 in world!!!
nope. the TR-85M1R aka the newest model of TR-85 is the best T-55.
@@robiagacitei5487 still sucks tho
also woosh
The new General Dynamics light armored vehicle tank is the literal *future as now* for all of NATO excluding Germany. Russia is proof positive that an overwhelming amount of resource spent on military and Wars means nothing but disaster and so something more performance, tactical, reliable and mobile be the alternative to that. More to the point Ukraine needs boots, socks now Winter turns to warm Spring so Summer combat gear, food, music....morale shapes all Battlefield Victories ultimately with Putin now be seen as more like Suleiman of the Ottoman Days trying to take Vienna now.
Romania needs Navy now as well without much need for more...nor less...than something similar to the Safeboat Mark 6 Patrol Boat to start with anyways.
This would create familiarty with jet drive propulsion which is of far greater value in fighting upon the Littoral as most assuredly the Black Sea absolutely is.
Man that accent 😂. Also we got Leopard 2 and 55 M1A1 Abrams and now because of war in Ukraine we will get 3 Scorpene submarines in 2029 i think
Haha, I really admire native voices. Romania has ordered 54 M1A2Rs from the US. I don't know if the configuration of these tanks has any customization.
Romania needs to stop all shipments and help to ukrainians and send all ukrainians to west Europe and USA
We want no war
Who wants war send your children not ours.
Man, you shouldn't drink before making a video, it's very difficult to understand what you're saying
Nothing good about it, probably the worst tank of modern times, it is completely useless, nothing more than a mobile cannon - you can do the same with a Toyota😂. I mean think of this: the latest upgraded tank computer is running an Intel 8080.... do i need to say more?
"Nothing good about it" holy yapperoni you are so wrong, first of all not only is it the best T-55 in the world, it features laser warning systems.
the BM-421 Sg projectile can penetrate 444 mm of RHAe at 90° at 500 meters, 425 mm at 1000 meters and 328 mm at 4000 meters which is extremely impressive given the limitations of its gun.
it has the Ciclop-M fire control system and According to the manual of the Ciclop-M fire control system, the ballistic solution generated ensures a hit percentage greater than 95% for a target under 2000 meters and greater than 75% for a target between 2000 and 3000 meters
the Ciclop-M can be used to aim at a target located up to 6 km away with the OF-421 high explosive round, up to 5 km away for the BM-421 Sg APFSDS-T round, 4 km for the armour-piercing ammunition (AP-T) rounds and up to 3 km for the high-explosive anti-tank (HEAT) rounds. The coaxial machine gun can be aimed at a maximum distance of 2 km using the FCS of the tank.
those are its most interesting characteristics, now on to the next point.
"probably the worst tank of modern times" there's worse tanks than it, the slovenian M-55s, the vietnamese T-55.
"it is completely useless" its a good anti-infantry tank (which is how their army uses it) and recent exercises with the US military showed that this tank works really well in support roles.
"nothing more than a mobile cannon" yes......which was exactly why tanks even exist in the first place, back in ww1 they needed a breakthrough mobile vehicle, and how did they achieve it? by slapping a cannon on a vehicle, making it a mobile cannon.
@@robiagacitei5487 arguing that it's better than a T-55 or it's variant makes absolutely no sense, all the T-55 variants, regardless of who/where they are made or upgraded have no place other than a museum or a melting plant.
All the systems on the TR-85 are extremely outdated and made on small budget. It simply lacks the bare minimum technology to be effective on a battlefield, having a gun that can destroy well armoured targets if hit has no importance if it doesn't get the chance to fire it. Look at the high number of T-72B3M getting blown to bits in Ukraine, and that, i would say, is bare minimum acceptable tank for today's standards, but at the same time incomparably better to the TR-85 and would obliterate it in a conflict.
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