The Worst Tank in The World - TR-85M1
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- - Join me in War Thunder for FREE on PC, PS®5 and Xbox Series X|S: gjn.link/RedEf.... Follow my link to get the game as well as an exclusive bonus. Thank you for supporting the channel!
Patreon: / redeffect
Credits:
Plane Spotting Channel: / @pmoaviationchannel for TR-85M1 footage
When Cold War ended, many tanks saw massive improvements, together with the new tanks also hitting the field, 90s were truly a decade where tank industry saw important development, Leopard 2 became Leopard 2A5, with a great turret armor, Abrams became M1A2, Leclerc, Challenger 2 and T-90 hit the field, and so much more. But one thing was not so impressive, Romanian TR-85M1, this tank is something special.
- Join me in War Thunder for FREE on PC, PS®5 and Xbox Series X|S: gjn.link/RedEffectWarThunder. Follow my link to get the game as well as an exclusive bonus. Thank you for supporting the channel!
Isn't the worst tank in the world the Asad Babil?
I feel offensed :((((
@RedEffect, is it worse then M84?
@@andreisobolanu there's nothing to be offended. He made fun of Arjun too, but we know it's capabilities. He's just pointing out to have fun nothing else
@LAI ZHENG YI Moe what?? Name one please
Engeeners: So how old is the tank we need to modernize?
Romanian Government: Yes.
My government has already given up upgrading the Soviet T-55s, but they're still our only MBT. Luckily, we still have the llamas. With lasers.
@@arcturus4762 Peru I presume?
@@nobodyherepal3292 You assumed right. Now fear our llamas! With lasers!
I honestly don't believe that the T-55 shouldn't be modernised, if the upgrade Package is good enough, it might put up a fight against more modern MBTs.
@@arcturus4762 u just made me imagine llamas fighting a t90 or Abrams. And soldiers trying to take cover behind it.
if you consider the TR-85 a modern MBT, then yes, it is, but if you look at it as a T-55 upgrade, then no, it's incredible
Look at it as an upgrade from the T-34, which Romania was still using in the 1980's.
@@bingusclub69funni Wow! You managed to get almost all the information wrong!
@@benlewis4241 Actually, it was the 90's when we got rid of the T-34
@@John-lr6tf Oh! Sort of cool, but also sort of terrifying (for the people expected to fight in them that is). Shame they never built the Mareșal, I think it would be an upgrade. Thanks for the info!
@@benlewis4241 Which is the source of your information?
RedEffect: "TR-85M1 bad"
Romanians so far: "we know"
We know thats bad, but the thing that we can do, is just to hope for better non-comunist-corupt politicians that will invest in the army
@@RandomPotatoGamingYT yes indeed we hope that they will stop stealing their own money and invest it in our country’s defense buying better tanks....one day maybe
@@iiceman2431 I think the economic is more to blame here.
@@ravenkk4816 and those who are stealing our money...
@@iiceman2431 rather the economy being mostly owned by multinationals that pay no taxes in Romania.
RedEffect : TR-85M1 is one of the worse tanks ever made
Slovenia with M-55S : There's another one
Slovenia at least also has M-84A4 tanks
@@Henry-uq1hl As training tanks
At least you guys upgraded your T-55s
@@arcturus4762 We wanted to also upgrade the T-34s tanks
Turkish M48A5T1s: drives to milan atgms no fucks given with basic cast armor
Finally my Romanian tin can was reviewed.
Lmao
I was training in Romania over a year ago and saw these.
Our
Your Romanian tin can is both Romanian and a tin can but at least you’re not spending $17,739,624,739,839,738,724.08 dollars on a bunch of tanks you really don’t need!
you don't need better :)
Me a Romanian: " I have never been so offended by something I completely agree with"
same 🤣
Damn right 😂😂
I always thought it's kinda a shame that Romania actually managed to develop their own version of the T-72 on the basis of the TR-85 only to decide to stick with the older tank.
Pai bine că aia de la PSD sunt bogați. 33% votează PSD, Dragnea, Dancila și etc. Asta suntem de 30 de ani, niste pesedisti ce au că exemplu pe Dragnea și colegii săi școliți de dânsul aflați acum la guvernare cat și peste 50 de ani.
After the 1968 czechoslovak invasion, Romania was phased out of Soviet affairs and stopped receiving industrial and military assistsnce. We had to come up with something ASAP and this is the best that we coule do at the time.
It was originally meant to be a co-project between Romania and West Germany and was intended to use a Leopard 1 engine, which is the actual reason why the hull is longer.
After 1989, talks between the countries resumed but grounded to a halt because Germany was not interested in the deal anymore.
We were also meant to develop a new tank in the 2000s but russian-backed governments and crippling corruption prevented anything from moving forwards.
TR-125 would have been better if development continued, was it not? The base tank is better than the base TR-85 at least, as it was essentially a slightly enlarged T-72M. Modernize it with the additional armor on the turret and hull (even just heavy ERA is good enough) along with the other upgrades TR-85M1 got and it would have been better than TR-85M1. As stated, problems with the TR-85M1 is mostly rooted in how its base design is still derived from T-55 (underpowered gun, spherical turret and armor layout in general, etc.)
@@zhuravl-m2285 As previously mentioned: russian-backed governments and corruption.
You must be mistakeing! Communist Romania and west-Germany were actualy enemies! They couldn't have collaborated... But there's some truth in what you are saying, as in, Romania managed to smuggle an used Leopard engine out of west-Germany, and reverse-engineer it...
The collaboration was to be with countries like Libia, whom would just buy the tanks without much participation... You can find details in General Ion Mihai Pacepa's book "Red horizons".
@@purpleldv966 After 1968, Romania had pretty good relations with the West, even West-Germany.
With that being said, relations were not good enough for them to give us a part of their tanks.
@@olorusrex584 Exactley! Comercial relations are one thing, military technology, an other! It's like the situation between USA and China... Americans buy frying pans and sports shoows from China, but they don't collaborate on the development of the F-35 or Patriot.
My brother in Christ, you forgot to mention one thing: there's only 58 of them :))))) the rest of about 550 tanks we have are the tr-85 and tr-780 variants. Some are just the plain t-55a.
Oh no ! I always feared that the roast day for our tank would come.
You too ? 😂 I was like “when the day will come ?? And then I saw the notification and I was like “Oh no ! Anyways”
Sorry to hear dude🙉
I never thought our tank to be worthy of a review lol
@@MoTuuur me neither it’s like that meme “I’m still worthy!”
*“Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak.”*
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
The Romanian army is weak, both on paper and in practice, old weapons, old factories, not enough money, not enough R&D.
@@dragosstanciu9866 depend the enemy, it's not weak
@@dand7763 It is weak, Hungarian army gets better weapons, Ukrainian and Serbian armies are better. Only Moldovan army is worse than Romanian army.
@@dragosstanciu9866 you test it yourself ? first, test it! then came conclusions
@@dand7763 I am a simple Romanian citizen, it is impossible for me to test it.
Well, considering that the scope of this tank was to be a match in the East and south east Europe, the Balkans, it was, and is still is, perfectly capable to do said mission. The age that gave it life was an age that everybody thought that a new Balkan war would begin and Romania would be carved up again, so comparing it and the numbers to the neighbors, well, I consider it a case of perspective.
Actually it was not a match, because by 1990 Bulgaria, Hungary, Yugoslavia and Ukraine had T-72 and T-80 tanks (Ukraine) and better air forces (Ukraine and Bulgaria), thus in a Balkan war Romania would at a disadvantage. The only good aspects were that the Romanian tank was cheap and if used properly would create big problems to an enemy's rear troop and logistics.
to add to this - they had a much better tank in developement, but canned it after building a couple of prototypes.@@dragosstanciu9866
@@dragosstanciu9866the tr85 proved itself superior to the t72 in multiple conflicts it was part of on behalf of NATO. Unless we're talking about the post year 2000 t72's, the tr85 is far superior.
@@denisionescu5072 the Tr-85 was not involved in any conflict.
@@dragosstanciu9866 Please, Romania was involved in many conflicts after it switched sides to the west. We had soldiers fighting in all of the USA's conflicts.
I still think the Arjun is worse.
The TR-85 was made by a country with no money, most problems derives by Romanian economy, while Arjun was designed by somebody who had no idea on how tanks work (they really put blowout panels with no blast door for God's sake)
right. but beware of indians coming after you for having this opinion.
Arjun was never made it to army after army had initial versions of it even we Indians know it but then shitty BJP Reich came and forced Arjun on army that's why there's only 1 order for arjun even Indian army doesn't want it
But what I see here is people talking shit like India can't develop anything that's just wrong there's alot of defence equipment India is recently developing some of it is decent we are just starting out it's not like amercia just straight forward made Abrams and such too we are getting there
@@thehope3231 I don't understand.
@@albertoamoruso7711 I meant to say that u r right that arjun is bad but it wasn't meant to inducted in army
It's our current government regime that glorified it and forced it on army
you know what worries me ? that indian and pakistani are portrayed by the media as some sort of genius engineers, and doctors, and programmers and all that. and then the big tech companies hire them so to fill their "diversity quota"
by knowing this little but important fact, we can understand why EVERYTHING in the west is now low quality, from services to technology. things are very different now, from what they used to be just 20 years ago.
Red Effect:"The worst tank in the world..."
Bob Semple tank: "I'm gonna have to stop you right there."
how dare you!
How dare you insulted the mighty, invisible, and powerful Bob Semple Tank?!
that tank is a beast, you have no idea how many fields it can plough while simultaneously being a tank.
You mean the best tank in the world? Get your fact straight!
BLASPHEMY
Well, at least it has a stabilizer. First time I saw it I wasn't even sure it had one
T55 has stabilizer in the first place 🙄
@@boocomban The tr85 probably has an improved stabilizer idk.
@@sopmodtew8399it is indeed improved. The tr85m1 got a better stabilizer, one similar to the Leclerc's.
I honestly thought this Tank was good, because it looked like an impressive improvement of the T-55.
T-55... There's your problem. You could make an impressive improvement of the Renault FT, but, there is only so much you can do before it's time to start from scratch - even if the tank was revolutionary in its time.
@@lucidnonsense942 except even for a T-55 upgrade this is weak. compare it to the T-55AGM (which has atleast a 120mm capable of firing modern NATO 120mm rounds, which puts it leaps and bounds above the TR-85, and the Peruvian version has a 1050hp engine, and has way better ERA coverage, it is better in everyway. and while still inferior due to base armour to modern MBT can atleast do something back rather than be little more than an iron coffin like the TR-85 is)
It was a great improvement over the T-55 and T-77. But it was a poor upgrade in both cases. Whihc makes sense, with a limited budget
@@lucidnonsense942 you say that, but the modern chinese vt4 is based on...wait for it...the t54.
welp , garbage is garbage regardless if you improve it ( but yeah it does look pretty nifty )
I mean at least they upgraded them...
In lebanon our army still uses un upgraded t54/55 tanks which were donated by the syrians after the civil war (if i remember correctly)
And some m48
Oof
Don't worry, most tanks used by the romanian army are also T-55 tanks, we just upgraded a few and the others are "under modernisation process"
last time I was in Lebanon I did see them use their m48 with the 105mm gun so at least they did get some sort of upgrade. Not to mention they also received leopard 1A5? tanks and Bradley IFV. But then again they didn't have any ERA covered on them so any RPG or ATGM would severely damage or knock them out but hopefully, one day when the economy gets better they will go for something like M1 or Leo 2
Hizbolla has better tanks than the official Lebanese army!
@@sexysilversurfer like what? t-55 t-62 and if maybe they are lucky t-72av?
Still beat an abrams crew in a fire exercise tho 🎷🗿
Yes but in real life it wouldn't have penetrated it
@@daniels_0399 Fair enough! :D
But maybe with sneaky tactics it could get in from behind and shoot the lower hull where the armor is most thin... Or shoot a track out and then torch it on foot with Molotov cocktails... you know, Romanians vs Ottomans stile! :D
@@daniels_0399 tr85m1 is designed to defend Romanian soil and not go in foreign countries. The soldiers based their tactics training and performance of that tank (is a sneaky teritory full of ambush zones). In Romania, heavy tanks are useless, like Abrams and T92. We know what we do. It is allready considered that Leopard will be a reinforcement.
@@danitowolf First of all, the T92 is a 1950s light tank project which was ultimately scrapped.
I think you meant T90.
Second of all, the Abrams and T90 (which by the way aren't heavy tanks) are both about the same weight as the TR85m1 but they are both faster.
So I don't know how you say that they wouldn't perform as well, because mobility wise they are better.
Third of all, Romania is not a "sneaky territory full of ambush zones" . It's mostly plains and hills in the Eastern part, which is where the Russians would invade from. By the time you get to the difficult terrain, Bucharest alongside most big Romanian cities (apart from the Transylvanian ones) will have already fallen, and with them the most industrialised part of Romania, and the war would be lost, and Romania would have to form a government in exile and wait until the Americans win the war.
The Leo2 isn't there to "reinforce" the TR85m1, it's there to replace it, because it's obsolete and damn near useless.
@@daniels_0399 daca esti roman iti spun ca habar nu ai despre ce vorbesti. Vorbeste cu un strateg militar si iti va oferii mai multe informatii. Apararea noastra se bazeaza pe linii de aparare pe linia NE-SE paralel cu muntii ,bateriile antitanc fiind foarte mobile, tractate de autoutilitare. Apararea Romaniei nu se bazeaza pe confruntari tanc vs tanc gen Kursk.
Romania este un teritoriu ce avantajeaza gazdele, plin de mlastini si zone cu vizibilitate redusa, de aceea inca suntem pe aici. Noi nu ne batem cu inamicul in desert.
Asadar TR85M1 este un tank bun pentru Romania, evident ca si alte componente sa-l sustina, cum ar fii ingeniozitatea romanului.
Romania nu mai are industrie...
("YOU GOT A HOLE IN YOUR LEFT WING!" Intensifies*)
Don't worry the Romanian has a special force units that is specially train to sneak behind enemy line to steal their tank
Gypsyes steal no Romanians . Somebody steal your last 2 brain cells
when you have squadrons of flying thirsty vampires units, why bother with tanks?🧐
Well this is why they can get away with weak armour, it only needs to defeat AVFDSS, that is Anti Vampire Fin stabilised Discarding Sabot Stake rounds. Being made of wood, they don't penetrative much steel armour even if they can re-kill a vampire at 2000m.
This tank was meant as a stop gap solution till the new TR125 would be ready to enter service. The TR125 would be an T72 equivalent, done with romanian tech since the sovient didn't accord licenses after the romanians refusel to intervene in '68 in Cehoslovakia. And there's the TR2000, a project from the early '00 that would use german tech from the Leopard 2A4 such as a turret, the l44 gun and he hull from the STRV122 but the project was abandoned since the cost would be too much and we got stuck with the stop gap solution.
I am looking forward to watch him reply to the videos from supporters of this tank like with the Arjun😅
Romanian Internet Defense Force is legendary. Their militant nationalists love swarming comment sections with fake info.
@@KorianHUN it's going to be a fight
Mate we all know our tanks are tin cans lmfao
I don't think he'll find many supporters of this piece of junk in Romania.
RedEffect: Arjun bad! Indians: NOOOO JAI HIND ARJUN BETTER THAN t90 m1 abrams and m4 sherman combined! RedEffect: tR85M sucks! Romanians: We know but it got us into NATO so its very succesful!
People: their tanks look, fishy...
Romania on the map: 🐟
That's why recent ,Ro Army leadership said on 07.03.2023 that Romania will buy *54 up to 300 of M1A2 Abrams SEP V3* ... remain that USA government to approve this request sent official already by the romanian government , that cost us 1,1 Billion US dollars = for 54 Abrams+ 12 derivates, training simulators, maintenance etc)
I dont care thats its bad, its our tank and im proud of it!...Still giving the video a like...
Its not that bad just a few and easy modifications will make it good
Respect from Iraq 🇮🇶
Still better than north korean tanks for me so cheer up
You guys... are getting tanks?
@@sergiom9958 apparently
@@husseinoskovjino9398 thank you, greetings from romania
i would rather still be in a TR-85M1 then inside a Arjun tank
my friends and i call it the ''Mobile port-a-potty''
TR-85 M1 isn't a MBT, its an armored mobile antimaterial system capable of engaging trucks, static defenses, and the best infantry fighting vehicles in the world.
There, fixed it on the cheap, just as it was made.
I want to see that how a tr-85 would kill a hungaryan linx with APS (Active Protection Sistem) XD you saed it can kill the best ifv-s LOL.
This actually looks more like an upgrade path for countries still using T-55s than a truly modern vehicle used in Europe.
Well ur not wrong the upgrade also happen i believe when it was planned to be temporary in service and be replaced unfortunatly the revolution happened,economical problems and since then we didnt need a tank tbh..
Crazy they squeezed this much tech onto a platform originally developed in the 50s. It isn't at all competitive against even a T-72 or a T-64 but they made whatever from what they had handed to. I feel bad for the Romanians, hope they really get some more modern tanks soon.
No, we won't get some modern tanks any soon. Our government prefer to buy second hand obsolete F-16s from Portugal instead of buying new ones.
@@Redm997 what a shame corruption does that. I hear your air force still flies me in the droves along with those old F-16s/
@@MikoyanGurevichMiG21 You are the pride of Romanian air force lol
So we're not gonna talk about the fact that basically most of Chinese tanks to this day are just upgraded T-54/55?
sure, but at the least they have better ERA/NERA/composite coverage than this thing, many also have 125mm guns.
FYI the challenger 2 you showed at the beginning of the video is the challenger 2e which was a private venture started by vickers defense systems (carried on by vickers when they bought out vickers) before competing at the Greek tank trials, its performance at said tank tank trials wasn’t the best but this wasn’t helped by both krauss maffei waggmann and Rheinmetall bribing the Greek defense officials into buying the leopard and the French using a gps jammer that inhibited the performance of the British and American teams. In the end no challenger 2e’s were bought and the project was cancelled around 2005-2007.
Really would love to see the a video about the M60TM (Turkey’s latest upgrade of the M60) it is an heavy upgrade of the M60 and I would love to see how it compete’s against upgraded T-72’s.
I would say it lacks armor in hull and somewhat bad mobility too. But it has some important stuff like APS Thermals Rangefinder periscope and a spall liner.
Halal Bruh Moment Exactly, including the 120mm gun, it is not that bad of an option as I have heard claims that the FCS is much superior to Syrian or Iranian variants (which they will most likely encouter with their M60’s on the battlefield) and an excellent option for anti-insurgency combat against Kurds taking into consideration the APS it uses.
I bet you could buy 12 of these for the price of a single Leopard II. Which is something to consider.
TR-85 M1 ... 1,5 millions euro
Leopard 2 .... 5 Millions euro . actually ... 1 leopard = 3 of TR-85 M1 , not 12 ...
Hey Red, I think the stat you're looking for when discussing horsepower and tank weights is the 'Power to Weight Ratio", I think it usually is expressed in how many HP per ton. Great Video!!!!
Romanian tank expert: TR-85M1 IS THE BEST TANK IN THE WORLD
Like that stupid alpha defense
Indian commentator: Anjun is one of the best tank in the world (in Indian accent)
@@yeezhengxin2659 lmao
Actual Romanian tank expert: Yes is shit...
Romanian tanker: Is shit...
Romanian infantry:At least we have a tank...But will we much rather have other tank then this one
Romanian Ministry of Defence : We got no money for a new one...
Romanian politician: Sorry but we have no money *just pumped an additional 20000$ in politician salary and pension* we put all the money to build the cathedral and my new villa... I MEAN hospital yes hospital...(Just as a note we have like 33 churches per 1 km of highway, in case we get invaded we pray to God to smite them i suppose or shit like that ).
Me who want's to go to the army: Why do i even want to serve this country ???( i still want to join but fighting for this country is like fighting for a your ex GF. Better let it in shit and go somewhere else.)
@@DrakenROM How are they going to invade you if there are no roads to invade through?
Now what RedEffect, Arjun or TR-85
425mm at 1km is actually able to kill quite a few tanks: Leopard 2A4 (A4s have roughly 380mm-420mm vs KE), T-72A without the 16mm add-on plate, M1A1 without DU and propably, Challenger 2's Hull Armor.
sure, but these tanks have angled armor, which makes it pretty much impossible for this tank to penetrate that
În prezent România, MAPN not want to buy tanks. But în the future hope buy Abrams or Leonard 2 , and tr85 will be upgrade at m2.
Important now is to get 32 f16 from Norvegia, atac drones, attak helicopters Airbus h145m or black hawk and hope decide Naval Group with 4 corvette.
They allready will buy 6 black hawk new for IGSU, and they talk to buy black hawk for MAI.
Hey man, can you make a review about a medium tank from my country Indonesia? The Harimau Medium tank, i want to know is it good from your perspective. I will really appreciate it if you make a review about it
Maybe they're onto something though.. It all depends on the role you expect the vehicle to fill. And even of they had the latest and greatest, they still would not realistically be able to take on any potential enemy armour. I think the role of a Romanian armoured vehicle is most likely going to be more along the lines of fire support than tank v tank combat. Probably in some kind of insurgency/hybrid type conflict. And for that it'll do just fine I guess. Most modern mbt's can be wrecked by even relatively old atgm's anyway. But it's still invulnerable to small arms fire.
it maybe a terrible tank. But it's still a decent IFV.
This tank will not fill any role, there are less than 60 such tanks and no new tanks will be made. The tank factory in Bucharest cannot make more TR-85M1. Romania needs to buy new tanks from other countries plus the factory must be modernized.
I think there are more contendors for the title of the "best tank in the world" namely:
1. Big Bob
2. Bob Semple
3. Any tank named after a Cat (except leopard)
4. T-34
5. Sherman
Honorable mention : Tančik vz.34
7:15 TR-85M1 is stated to have blowout panels on one source I saw.
I really like the tank from an esthetic point of view.
i mean i'd like to see a better modification to the t55 xD . Calling this a modern tank is not really accurate.
Well it's the Main Battle Tank of a modern army, but it's hopelessly outdated.
@@daniels_0399 again i wouldn't call my countries army modern. We still use mig 21s.
@@larsmuller97 Romania should not exist anymore btw.
1:25 You say “the development of this tank started in the mid 90s” not true maybe just modernization.
Based on the TR-77-580, the TR-85 tank was developed from 1978 to 1985 and produced from 1986 until 1990. The TR-77 (Romanian Tank model 1977), being designed between 1974 and 1980. A prototype and zero series (10 tanks) were made in this configuration which was to be equipped with an 800 horsepower engine, similar to that used by the German tank Leopard 1. To be delivered on time however, the tank was equipped finally with the V2 engine of the T-55 tank, assimilated by the local industry. The final variant was named TR-77-580 (Romanian tank model 1977 with 580 horsepower engine).TR-580 was the first tank manufactured in Romania. With no experience in the field, Romanian specialists visited a Chinese tank factory to study the manufacturing process. In fact TR-77 looks similar to the Chinese Type 80/88.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_80/88_main_battle_tank
In 1980 the Romania modified T-72 into TR-125 tank. Only prototypes being built. Made between 1987 and 1988 and tested until 1991. Because of army budget cuts TR-125 was not put into production. Afterwards the TR-2000 project was made, which also was not followed or implemented. TR-125 and TR-2000 pictures.
www.rumaniamilitary.ro/de-la-tancul-tr-125-la-tr-2000-proiecte-ingropate
Keep in mind that this is just an update from T 55AM baseline with some improvements from Leopard 1 genes so 1984-1985 not the '90 years, perhaps you'll review also MS 55 Slovenian upgrade of T 55....
In fact, is not so bad. You can view a documentary made by BBC about it.
Its a good tank
BBC nu a făcut un documentar, doar au trimis 2 tipi să se plimbe cu tancul.
Dacă te uiți la specificații, nu are nicio șansă pe câmpul de luptă modern.
@@daniels_0399, a fost modernizat la standarde NATO si a fost apreciat la exercitiile comune. Are sanse pe campul de lupta modern, daca i se monteaza un alt tun.
@@edyfrunza Cât de mult vrei să mai iei cana asta de conserve și să prăpădești bani pe ea?
Mai bine aș avea un regiment de Leoparduri cu 100 de tancuri.
Nici nu costa chiar așa de mult, e 5.7 milioane de dolari unul.
Asta înseamnă ca 100 din astea ne-ar costa cam cât ne-a costat să modernizăm Marina cu care nu facem absolut nimic și care în afară de faptul că are uniforme ca lumea nu are niciun rol.
Dacă împarți asta 5 miliarde jumate in 3 ani, ne ajung lejer banii.
Oooh, review the PT-91M Pendekar
I wanna see how my country's tank fairs in the MBT world
Malaysian???
@@yeezhengxin2659 yeaa why?
ruclips.net/video/40iHfm79usA/видео.html matsimus covered it a few years back.
Its an ok tank, the armor is insufficient but it has an effective gun (125mm 2a46ms smoothbore, depending on munition it has kinetic pen from 600 to 820 if using modern rounds which is enough to punch most modern armor) but you've to consider warfare within Malaysia, a very mountainous region so a tank with good ambush capacity is well valued. Armor is still butter tho against modern munition, it's a good defending tank not a good offensive tank.
@@kai-jf2vd
I've already watched that vid, i just wann see red effect cover it
Tbh most tanks die in one shot. But thats cool!! Malaysia is pretty jungle filled, soo i guess a tank wouldn't be soo well. Mainly gurilla warfare
Don't worry, we live in a Drone Era. Even the Best of Best of the Tanks in this days is nothing more than a tin can :))
TR 85 development started in 1978. It cannot be the "worst modern tank" because it's not modern!
We can label it as a third-generation tank but its design is from the second generation. It has been just upgraded to fit more the third-generation tanks. Is Arjun 2004 better than TR 85? It should be! Its development started 20 years later! TR 85 has been designed on paper, Arjun on CAD systems. Why TR85 design has kept elements from T55? Because it's easy to make a mold from an existing part. You just take the turret from T55 and build a mold. Then you fill the mold with cast iron. Tadaa, you have a new turret! No need for complicated machining or even a serious drawing.
As a Romanian, and also as a military man, I'm afraid I have to totally agree with RedEffect, our MBT is very obsolete, on par with those from poor 3rd world countries. It has no place on a modern battlefield.
As for my compatriots that felt offended, they should try to think beyond that - in the real world, in case of an armed conflict, patriotism alone cannot unfortunately make you win battles. Better focus your energy on our corrupt politicians that brought us here.
Arjun: finally a worthy opponent.
Our battle will be legendary!
Nice stolen comment dude
@@zalasar4892 that's also a nice stolen comment
@@zalasar4892 you also stole the comment
Mate at least we can do tanks, and you never know, when you at war even a bike is useful, I think u kinda underestimate the power of the tanks considering they're fit to NATO standards 😉
sometimes the loss of skills is more harmfull than not having a said capability, as you can always upgrade what you already have (by either buying new equipement and or upgrading existing equipement) while regaining loss of skills means years and years of training, building new infrastructures, logistics means, etc. For politicians, it's simple math as you may have the will to accomplish something but not the means/pockets
Basically a leopard 1 whit a t55 turret
And a T-55 gun.
Last time I was early, the Arjun was the worst tank.
Same
"Is it better than Arjun?" "Lol, no" "But its better than the Asad Babil with its white light night vision, right? Right?!"
I dunno, looks kinda adorable. They finally added it into AW and it's my new favourite
It's a good thing we only have to use them on parades and on exercises :D
-Romania: we have TR-85M1;
-India: we have Arjun;
Romania-India: 0-1;
-Romania: we have Dacia;
-India: we have Tata
Ro: 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
One issue I have with this is that, despite being obselite, the TR85M1 can in fact rival basically any T72 tank and its variants. Anything past that, yea, it's done for.
no it can't..I say that as a romanian
@@danielmaxim3405 It can as it can penetrate it.
I hope it will never be the case to really fight with those tanks but in case of a conflict no way. Russian tanks are way more superior than romanian tanks. I mean, rusian tanks are at the same level as western tanks, no way we would penetrate those. Let's not forget they got Relikt ERA too.@@kingswood9064
2:12 Tank meme
As a romanian I was waiting for this and I honestly laughed when I read the title. All romanians know the tank is way too outdated even with the upgrades such as they are. I would not be surprised if we have some vintage soviet era APHE shells in store or used in training. Thank God we are at peace now, I would not envy the men having to fight in them.
I am curious, can this be considered worse than Arjun now ?
@Crimson that makes India's tank even more shameful. If they got so much military experience, and they have a shit ton of money and resources, why did they make such a crappy tank? Romania at least didn't have money, because of overwhelming corruption. India had everything and still made a shit tank
@Crimson India spends over 15 times more than Romania in its military. India has the 5th largest military budget, 60 billion $ in 2018, while Romania only does 4 billion, and it was a lot lower in the 90s, when the TR-85M was made. For a nation which invests so much in the military, India made a crap tank. Period.
@Crimson could you at least be consistent? In your first comment you said "Even if the Arjun is a bad tank India still is the 4th most powerful country in the world". Now you say India is poor and couldn't make a good tank. Which is it? Even in the 90s India spent well over 12 billion $, Romania spent between 0.8 and 1.3 billion $ and was about to make a new tank, the TR-125 (whose development was halted halfway thru due to a lack of money).
The wealth of the people doesn't matter. What matters is how much money the government throws at the army. For example, North Korea's population is living in extreme poverty, yet they are making *nuclear* MRBMs and possibly ICBMs. By your logic they were too poor to make them, yet they made several tests of both the nuclear warheads and the missiles.
Oh, and also, about tank building experience... India was an ally of the Soviet Union and had thousands of T-55s and T-72s. They could have done what Romania did and reverse engineer those tanks. So don't boast that the designers had no experience when you had better equipment at hand than Romania. Secret help from Germany, huh? Then why doesn't the TR-85M have the planned Leopard engine or a 120mm gun? You think the designers would have made a such a bad tank if they had German help?
@UC7ep12VNMBHIdVIqEf3vgcw China is on their doorstep and Pakistan can invade any time. Why ignore the tank branch when you have two strong enemies on your borders
@Crimson are you seriously underestimating the Chinese military? They have the 2nd largest military budget, 170 billion $, 2.5 times that of India, and they have sent their equipment to various warlords across the world. So they have the money, they have tested their equipment in real combat, and they even have bases right next to India (Malaysia, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Maldives). So I'd say you take them more seriously
Edit: oh also are you just gonna ignore my comment above? It's because it's right, isn't it?
Kek, having a super bad tank is still better than no tank
I don't really agree, modern well equiped well trained infantry supported by decent air assets are actually extremely effective against tanks, especially if it's an old tin can like this one here.
"The worst modern tank in the world" - me a Romanian: "at least he is fair..." (lowering my eyes to the ground)
you know your tank is hella bad when arjun is better than your tank
It's horrible, yes, absolutely horrible.
But consider that it's a frankensteined T55. Then it suddenly becomes kind of amazing.
The fact that it still has a rifled gun is not necessarily a bad thing. The latest British challenger 2 also has a rifled gun.
Sad impailing noises
Bad TR-85? I do not think so. It could be done better. The Romanians got their hands on the design of the T-54/55 and made modifications. They changed the drive system including heavy duty wheel, drive wheel compared to the original. Their plan is equivalent to the Chinese Type-88, but they cannot go further. They replaced the Soviet V-55 engine with a more powerful German 8VS-A2T2M. But unfortunately they don't upgrade it. The Romanian could develop a new tank with a 120mm NATO or 125mm main gun using an autoloader, and design a welded turret like the PLA Type 96.
The Romanians could turn this tank into something properly usable by simply mounting a 120 or 125mm gun like the T-55AGM upgrade Package or the Type-59G/BD "Durjoy" used by Bangladesh. And speaking of those tanks, I hope you cover them as well in future videos.
It was a study made a few years ago that stated that it would be much cheaper to install a modern Rheinmetall gun and an autoloader on the entire fleet of thanks than buying several new Leopard IIs
keep up the great content man!
Now all we need is for Slovenia and Romania to go to war to see which tank wins!
I'm joking, I don't want that. But I would love a comparison to be done.
After seeing this video I think you could talk about Argentina en TAM 2 and variants since I'd like to see how outdate it is
Rubbish, estic propaganda!!..a tank is a mobile platform for a cannon so TR85M1 is very good tank...anyway in front of today's inteligent weapons all tanks are bad so this ranking doesn"t matter not at all...
War thunder supports you? THEN THEY SHOULD ADD THE TR85M1
TR85 needs a concrete modernization at M2 level. How much would this cost?...Gun MG253 al IMI (denumit si RG-120)/Slavin Land Systems (developed from MG251 of Merkava III and IV) close to the mass of the A308-100mm gun. Improved protection both at the level of basic and additional armor, supplemented by active jamming systems (Shtora), active hard-kill systems (Trophy, Arena, Quick-kill). Anti-mine/IED protection under the floor, (including active protection - Electro-Magnetic antimine). Engine 1200-1250 hp. The ability to modularly receive additional secondary weapon systems. Bringing the fire control and day/night vision systems up to date, as well as a communication system and real-time management of the battle. 360-degree visibility from the passenger compartment. Modular concept both in terms of interior design and additional armor modules (easy to replace in the field). With these upgrades, TR85 at M2 level would easily climb into the top 15 in the world. At the M1 level, 800 thousand USD reservoir was spent. Too little to produce something effective. Russia spent 2.8 million USD on the T90. Now you draw the conclusion.
Hah, yes, we know it is utter shit. There are rumors that the defense ministry will upgrade to leopards.
N-am mai auzit noutati din 2018 totusi in legatura cu treaba asta...
Pai guvernul vrea sa cumpere shorad/vshorad pentru patriot, corvete multifunctionale, f16 si dupa o sa luam niste abrams uri probabil
Mda, am auzit si de abramsuri, din pacate va mai dura ceva la cum e pe la noi. In acest moment as fi fericit cu orice tank nou.
Do a video on PT 91
Twardy ? Now that would be proper tank.
@@Vlad_-_-_ Yes, "polish t-72b3"
@@julianizydorczak5258 T72B3 allready is really good tank, especially for the price. And if Twardi upgrated things like FCS or thermal sight, it makes it even better. Close to or at top level MBT. Not bad at all.
@@Vlad_-_-_ unfortunately Leopold 2a4 PL is a priority :(
@@julianizydorczak5258 Leo2A4 is also a good tank.
Looks a pretty maneuvrable, well designed tank to me.
Develop an improved long rod sabot round, improve the optronics like add in a commander's independent day/night sight, ballistics computer, gunner's thermal imager, muzzle reference system, maybe improved ERA.
Noboey noticed the new rear turret bustle, which means all ammo now safely at the back in its own external armored box ?
And what is wrong with rifled guns ?
The most accurate, longest ranged tank gun remains the L11A5, the Chietain/Challenger One's rifled gun, scoring a hit out to 5.000 yards.
Good upgrade of the T-55.
Would a thinly armoured vehicle with great mobility, firepower, targeting and information systems AND lots of active/passive protection systems work as a modern MBT? Say 30 tons but 900-1000hp engine, best 125 smoothbore, etc.
Considering how Russian T72s, T80s & even T90s were easily reduced to scrap metal in Ukraine by soldiers with ATMs, that might not be a bad idea...
Arjun tank = "finally a worthy opponent"
People without a proper army and a name can also give statements 😂
@@bikashnayak9311 Couldn't understand what you're saying...
@@yeezhengxin2659 thats the way they argue, by making nonsensical statements in broken English
@@5000mahmud Madrasachap spotted🤣.
Look who is talking about proper english😂
@@yeezhengxin2659 that guy above, has no name, can't find his nationality and of my English. All I misplaced is a (,)
Now is the best time to send 10 tanks TR-85M1 to Ukraine and we will see how worst it is.
For tank worse than this, consider the RoC/Taiwan CM-11 Brave Tiger. It entered service in 1990, and is literally a M48 turret on a M60 chassis. It weighed 50 tons with zero composite armor, while having only 750hp. The only saving grace is the gun, which is a L7, but with very limited access to high quality APFSDS
Speaking about T55 about doing the T55M5 and T55M6 next?
Or 1990s to today T55 variant
I mean, we're dealing with an update of the update of an update of a copy of a T-55. How good could it be when you consider not only the defense budget, but also the industrial capability, as well and the terrain of Romania? When taking all these facts into consideration, it's surprising there's something THIS capable fielded. It's a piece of junk and the money drained by the Land Forces for keeping these things running might as well go to the Air Force which badly needs equipment.
It might be bad but it's better than having no tanks at all like some countries..
And we dont really use them, so it's not like we need a really good MBT at the moment
Also, I'm sure there are modern tanks on the same level as the TR-85M1 like the Ramses II tank used by the Egyptian Armed Forces. So calling the TR-85M1 specifically the worst tank in the world right now is a stupid thing to say...
As ukraine war proves,there is no such thing as a bad tank😅
Or a good tank, for that matter 😂
Aren't the Romanian army interested in buying leopard 2s to repalce their fleet of TR-85?
Yes
yes but money
Didn’t Canada have some older ones to sell?
@@NCrdwlf i think yes
But we want 2a7 or 2a6...
@@Ayyo8976 we have money, the military budget is 6 billion
Romenian = our tank is meh
Crazy Arjun fan = our Arjun is better than Leopard 2A7
I still think germans need to fix thier ammorack issue
Romanian Wikipedia tells us that it has 590mm of protection on the chassis, and 780mm on the turret, i dont know how reliable these values are
It's not just the tank that is horrible, it's everything we have. We are number 3 in casualties since the war in Ukraine broke out and they were all pilots and crew who died patrolling the country's eastern border in obsolete aircraft such as Mig-21 LanceR
We don't even need an enemy, we're beating ourselves. Our whole country needs a reform from the ground up and we should take Poland as an example.
How about the M84D or M95 Degman or other Balkan-made tanks?
trust me, there is no worst tank in the world, if you face again it, you die
except the tank do self destruct everytime it got touched by small explosions like fireworks
TR-85M1 is the world's worst tank:
*Happy Indian noises* 😁🎉🎉
Oh I'm finally early and hold up wasn't the worst tank,arjun mk1? 😂😂
@ғєαʀʟєss. exe yeah,somehow😂
Maybe because they had a bad economy at the time the tank was made ..?
@@mihaiionutcristimihaiionut4501 yeah and army kept changing the specs and dont forget the politicians fedding off the project funds and it was ordered into development because of the possibility of pakistan buying Abrams they didn't and this project became a liability
Babe, babe wake up. Red Effect just uploaded a new video.
As far as I understood, the engine can be easily upgraded for a 1000hp one and the turret swapped for a 125mm smooth bore gun (basically the TR-125 prototype). There was just no reason to do it, as we will never be involved in a major conflict and the new Handheld AT infantry weapons made all the tanks on the battlefield obsolete and any tank to tank engagement highly unlikely. So TR85 will be at most an infantry support vehicle, for which it is good enough.
This I think is a cool build. My only complaint is the turret add-on armor, which IS too small. It's a serviceable vehicle, at least it runs, and has a workable gun. You can either develop a super-modern monster or rework an old design. They could do this with a T-62, since its gun is far more powerful.