Multiple characters' plot points in Nikke revolve around them blending in to the reat of humanity, which leads to funny scenerios like "wow, I sure am glad I am a normal human woman, right guys" - the white-haired, red-eyed voluptous woman with cloths vacuume sealed to her chest.
Yeah they're talking about Yulha. Squad Triangle which consists of Yulha, Privaty and Admi are Nikkes that work for the Central Government whose explicit purpose is to blend in as real people. Which is hilarious because Privaty is a woman with blue Miku Hatsune pigtails that touch the floor
@@gameb9oyno no, You can auto battle you just have to activate it every map. You get continuous auto battle with the monthly pass along with some other minor stuff
I'm not gonna dickride for Limbus despite loving the game, but I will put a little context. The game takes place in a wider world with pre established lore that occurs in the previous two games in the series. Lobotomy Corporation, a monster management sim. And Library of Ruina, a mix between a deck battler and visual novel. I found it easy to let Limbus hit its stride after the tutorial because I had the context of knowing the madmen and madwomen behind the IP could in fact cook. Coming into its godawful tutorial blind to both the gacha experience and the series, I can see why Pat couldn't keep going.
@@Joseph_Siri Do you know what chaining colors actually does? Do you know what offense and defense level effect? You you know how to activate defense skills and E.G.O.s?
@MarlKitsune If you look at the channel "Bek" and his no commentary playthrough playlist of Limbus Company, I'll provide you a time stamp with every tutorial prompt you claim I've seen elsewhere. Video -Part 1 What is absolute Resonance: 8:09 Video -Part 2 Attack type and Affinities: 5:03 Defensive Skills: 5:33 Video -Part 3 Ego Skills and Resources: 4:20 The game literally provides all the information you claimed I've seen elsewhere. I honestly didn't have any issues understanding any of it either. Hope this clears things up and proves I wasn't lying. I think most people online are just bad at retaining information when it comes to new game genres. Like teaching someone Mahjong for the first time.
Wait it just hit me: Woolie makes the thumbnails, he must've google'd Limbus Company characters and inmediately locked into Outis, she's Wooliebait, literally Casca.
I love watching Woolie and Pat engage with the mobile gaming market. They are on top of so much of the rest of the video game industry, it's hilarious watching them go back and forth about game design and mechanics that have been prevalent for 4-5 years already.
yeah i love project moon and limbus company but yeah they're not the best at tutorials and the begging is pretty rough to get through, i do hope at some point they go back and fix it up at some point.
LIMBUS COMPANYYYYY but in all seriousness thats a very valid reaction to going in to limbus blind. It sucks how back-loaded the quality stuff is, but it was the first gacha the devs made and they definitely got better as time went on. Also the plot and lore of their games are *very* insular and self referential, which only makes the people who are really into it seem absolutely insane (which is justified). And as much as i hate the "it gets good" defense, i genuinely think that it becomes a fantastic visual novel with an only somewhat obtuse game tacked on to it. I just genuinely think they dont have the budget to go back and fix the earlier parts. Also it only has one currency and two upgrade materials that are used for everything which i think counts for something
I wonder if gacha brain is why I don’t get why Pat and Woolie struggle with the different “currencies” of the game. It’s annoying to grind for stuff, but I don’t know any game that makes them actively hard to find
@@gameb9oy If they were talking about a game like TOF which does have like 10 actual currencies going on for It's gacha system, I would understand, but Pat went gacha brain on what are literally just boss drops. Woolie I can understand with his megaman Issue but It's not even relative to the Bossing situation Pat is talking about because there's not a thing in the megaman game or outside the game telling him to fight a boss or something so it in all likelyhood could just be a remaining aspect of gacha that wasn't ported to offline, on top of that, Woolie mostly understands things if he can relate it to a fighting game concept because that's what he mostly knows. Pat understands the concept of grinding a boss for boss drops, He plays MMOs and MonHun, games where grinding a boss for It's drops is normal.
That was the plan. It's a very small studio so they probably can't run both at once. I would guess that the current plan is to run Limbus for another couple years so they can finish out Inferno and sit on their dragon's hoard.
@rfaokigahara949 they canceled the Distortion Detective game and seem to have rolled the storyline into Limbus Company. There's been some less then subtle foreshadowing about plotlines that they set up in that spin off.
@@SeekSeekLest You say that as if they are just taking the money and not putting a bunch of it back into Limbus Company, making it way better than Pat's glowing review here would imply.
as a limbus head, few things - yeah, the tutorial's shite - the combat system is weird but once you get it down it's *IMO* really rewarding - limbus is an indie game, like IIRC it has 15 employees (in general) and 1? translator and 2? actual developers, which is why it can't really do that kind of earlygame touchup that it needs. c'est la vie - people talk all weird because they're *all* based on old books, but it clears itself up a little around chapter 2 or 3 - that's what i've seen tends to hook people - this is the 3rd in a series, all completely different genres, which is both why the fans are Like That and why the game is Like That
It had one translator, but he had a public mental breakdown over how much work he had to do translating such heavy chewy dialogue during Canto 4 and they decided to hire a second one. This was also around the time it came out that the workplace there is really, REALLY rough and a bunch of people got fired, including that one artist
The funniest thing about Woolie mentioning Nikke's EX missions being "too hard for now" is that EX missions always scale you up to a fixed level so it's ironically just a skill issue.
Also, there are characters whose toolkits are just objectively superior to most others. Like, someone runs a team that has Liter, Crown and Red Hood is just flat-out going to have a easier time of things over someone who only has say, Soldier OW, Product 23 and iDoll Sun.
Pat talking about the Limbus tutorial feeling out of date and "alpha" is exactly how I when I was trying to give Granblue Fantasy a shot. The tutorial intro stuff felt so weird. Also finding out there wasn't a story justification for the gatcha system was so confusing to me
Not that I want anyone to go into hell that is grindblue fantasy, but they actually made proper-ish tutorial update recently where you clear bunch of missions increasing in difficulty and gives you quite decent early-mid game weapon grid along with some chars and also teaches you some basic stuff (still missing some other things but oh well considering how needlessly complex that game is can't do it all). Though there are still videos on youtube that explain things better than ingame guides/tutorials do. Thing that's weird and counterintuitive about gbf compared to most other gachas is that core of your power is in weapons grind, not in characters you pull/get. Regardless of what various tier lists might say, those things really only start mattering after you reach certain point of farming up other things that even whales can't really escape afaik. And that's another issue with gbf, its core gameplay is farming up tiers of weapons to be strong to move onto farming next tier of weapons. Some of those things are literally years long process. But, if you are interested in basic events/characters and various collabs which gbf has lots of you can give it a try without worrying about "proper/optimal" way to play. There are coop raids that you can host and leech of just to get certain clear prizes so you're not locked out of content just because you're newbie in 9-10y old game.
Pat is wrong about horizontal only being on the Nikke PC version. There's a button at the start of every mission that lets you toggle it you just cant do it mid-battle
There is also a button in settings to make the whole thing in horizontal mode, though its clearly not designed with it in mind, as it ends up being centered with large black borders on both sides, thankfully though they are clickable for advancing text and what not
Cannot take anyone seriously anyone who dony get past the baby tutorial. Tbh, he only played less than half an hour of each game. Horizontal view is in both PC and Mobile. He's just an ass about the settings.
This is why trying to get into a gacha game that is at least a year old will always be very difficult. Nothing will be able to make up for everything you've already missed up to that point. Like getting into a fighting game late.
Mostly. I’m surprised Pat felt that way with HSR because I think it’s kind of an exception. Permanent events are so rare for gacha but they’re all available. Whichever character is on banner is new and good. Both of those go a long way when you sit down with the game. Nikke is like, the exact opposite though, if you’re new, the new Nikkes are mediocre, and the events encouraged for all players actively spoil mid-late game story.
This is why I really think there should be new player induction events which give tons of stuff to only new players. It isn't going to be even close to the people who've already grinded for years, but at least they could enjoy something at a mildly comparable powerlevel.
In many ways, my experience with F/GO echoes a lot of the comments here. I started in late 2019, which in terms of the story was around the time Arc 1.5 (Epic of Remnant) was ending and Arc 2 (Cosmos in the Lostbelt) was beginning. I didn’t finish Arc 1/Observer on Timeless Temple until late 2020/early 2021 (by which point the Lostbelt 3 chapter for Arc 2 was out), and only barely finished Lostbelt 3 in time for a story event requiring it by skipping all of EoR (something the game allows you to do as it’s an interquel arc) and leaving it for later. That being said, a lot of that was due to laziness and inconsistency in my playtime. Even then, Arc 1’s story content was a lot easier thanks to powerful support characters like Merlin drastically altering the meta. It’s only around Arcs 1.5/2 where the truly difficult content arrives and friend supports aren’t enough to carry you (though the last boss fights of Arc 1 can still be tough if you don’t know what you’re doing). Ever since then, I’ve been able to keep pace with the main story without too many issues. However, one of FGO’s biggest problems is that it is allergic to rerunning old limited time events in a timely fashion and in recent years has almost completely abandoned event reruns, creating a large content deficit for newcomers.
@@thatcynicalbastard6636I feel like giving something only to newbie gacha players is just going to lead to the veterans getting bitter that they didn’t get that help. Heck I think the genshin fanbase is a little sick about how the games quality of life updates is only really helpful for the new players since there’s still only one bit of endgame content to tackle
The "early access" grinding in Star Rail isn't part of the anniversary event, they always do that for limited banner characters during the patch their banner is live. It only gives you early access to ascension and standard trace materials though, relics and advanced trace materials still require you to have actually unlocked them.
It's so weird seeing Pat become completely mystified by game concepts just because they are in a mobile game. Pat, you play a MMO, how the hell are you confused about the concept of materials?
I didn't finish the video so I can't speak for Pat completely, but as someone with 500 hours in FFXIV, I can say materials specifically is why I always bounce off gachas, they are really aggressive about throwing 30 different currencies and ways to pay for them as soon as you install the game and it just overwhelms me. The only gacha I could stick with is Star Rail since they introduce a lot of that stuff much slower.
@@Kango234 No they don't. That's MMO's your talking about. Star Rail throws just as many at you as soon as you get to the gacha but it's just auto handled and tells you what's what like Pat said.
@@Kango234 Except that they don't do that at all. On every gacha that I have even HEARD of the currencies are associated to an specific activity, you need X to do Y so you do activity Z to get X. That is the most basic of mechanics and while you may get years of accumulated content if you join an old gacha game, they are still nowhere near the amount found on games that directly interact with crafting, like say Minecraft.
It’s a shame that Limbus Company didn’t click with Pat. Just played Chapter 6 and my investment in the story and characters couldn’t be higher. I understand his frustration, though. It’s a more complicated rpg than Library of Ruina, yet there’s combat automation. It IS kind of a mechanical mess.
@@tisisonlytemporary I don’t even match colors anymore! The tutorial set that up as a massive part of the game, and nearly every passive ability relies on sin resonance, but none of that matters if you lose the clash so you’d might as well just hit the win rate button! 😂
@@FluttersniperPersonally I actually swung back around towards resonance teams, AhabMael's S1 and S2 are perfect for synergy with a whoooole lot of things where resonance felt like a joke before.
@thatcynicalbastard6636 I do appreciate resonance ID mechanics, but it's a bit silly the entire tutorial's focus is only relevant for four or five of the games DOZENS of IDs
Sucks chat told Pat to make an entirely new Nikke account just because he got some mid units. The early game gives you a bunch of shit early game just from playing the story. Unless you get really unlucky, you're bound to get something good.
I've been playing for just over a week now and must have pulled about 200 times without having to spend a penny. Is there something special about that post tutorial roll that makes it better, because I can't imagine it being worth your time to redo everything just to get a better result on your initial roll of 10 characters.
I don't think the translation for Limbus Company is bad translation. It's actually a good one, it's just the people who you hear talking in game at first are MEANT to talk weird. And some loosen up later but yeah, the translation is not bad. The script is just meant to be weird for those guys Similarly, the combat system is not just dragging from left to right. There's two types of battles: one where you do the drag from left to right, the other is where you choose attacks and parts to clash with directly Personally I feel like what would be best is to first experience the world of the game through previous entries especially because Library of Ruina feels like it'd be way way more of something Pat or Woolie would enjoy
To pats question at around 36:10 the reason you don't just have a one stop shop point to farm materials is most likely so you don't overwhelm new players who want to upgrade their unit only to have 15 different stages all pop up at once and even more so in that sooner mats are for same element type but different characters depending on when they came out, which is a point we could talk about but that's tangential.
And there's so many ads of AFK Journey. The interesting part is how there's ads of all types to appeal to all the types of people that fall for these games. There's the ones that show high quality cinematics and animations, or cool characters in combat, there's the streamer that is doing gatcha pulls, there's the Hero wars style nonsensical ones...
God pats review of limbus was wild I was singing back and forth like a pendulum What do you mean you hate Ishmael? Oh yeah the tutorial fucking sucks And so on and so forth
I just played Limbus for the first time recently and am in the dungeon in chapter 2. I've got no idea what Pat was going on about saying that the tutorial was irrelevant. I thought that the game explained things well, and every piece of information was something that I still used each mission. Besides blocking/dodging/counter I guess, everything hits pretty light where I'm at. I also don't get the hate for Ishmael either, she's literally as normal as can be, next to Gregor and Meurseult. She was even described as a person who listens to orders and gets the job done.
@@Joseph_Siri Because it's gacha so his brain stops working right. Also he doesn't like Ishmael because she isn't weird and ends up being more hateful to him because of it cause he sees himself in her.
@@Joseph_Siri The tutorial is pretty universally accepted as being awful by the Limbus community. It leaves out a lot of important stuff and also the stuff that is explained is not explained very well. Thankfully the game will take some time to get to the point where you'll be punished for not knowing things (there were some early roadblocks, one was right before the chapter 2 dungeon actually, but they got nerfed), and by the time it happens the player will either learn enough from just playing or at least feel invested enough to go look up advice.
@@Joseph_Siri The thing that made Pat stop was the game not making available at all times the names of each Sin affinity. He got the tutorial for it, and the game then expects you to have memorized them all. Apart from that, there's stuff like not showing where the Coins are when they are presented, not differentiating between base power and coin power, not explaining the chance system(which is what most people would pay attention to at the start since it shines golden at the upper center part of the screen), the game makes a big deal about the importance of Resonance, hugely hypes it up, but then doesnt explain exactly what it does. Though he didnt get there, im not sure if the game explains how the difference in Offense Levels affects Clashing. and then there's small stuff like not explaining how which status effects' Counts can go lower, you need to either pay a lot of attention or check outside of the game to realize that Tremor Bursting does not lower Tremor Count, while every other status effect does lower its Count when it procs.
I spent like 3 days trying to find a scenario where I'm away enough from my family to start an ew account, specifically because if my christian-raised parents saw any screen at any time, I'd have no argument
I am not particularly surprised but amused pat stopped PGR and limbus before really regular gameplay due to longish tutorials made longer by streaming. For instance in PGR he wasn't quite sure orb pinging works yet lets pick the ui where they are hiding in the corner and try and bind away controls from default. before completely done with the tutorial.
somewhere there is an alternate where pat took the LIFE SAVING ADVICE of skipping the tutorial and being super into the story, instead of picking the bad ending and getting filtered by the tutorial. but you can tell patt is a gacha game newbie by thinking that they rolled a charecter in the tutorial and was random.
@@RavenCloak13 They want to automate the daily, time-consuming grind in their actually fun games. AFK Journey is nothing but the grind with a barebones story binding it together. It is more of a game than AFK arena, and that’s the best I can say about it. If you get stuck in AFK Journey, your only solution is to wait. There *is* a grind, and that’s eking out whatever reward you can until you have to wait longer. And that’s the problem, the thing I am criticizing, because where other games do you to wait for whatever time gated resource to regenerate while letting you play and do other things elsewhere, I really need to reiterate this, AFK Journey not only has nothing else but has based its entire gameplay loop around slowing down your progress through its mediocre story as much as possible until it all becomes one long grind of ever-increasing requirements to experience the next five minutes of story and hour or two of fighting identical enemies which probably requires minimal input from you.
Going back to the Limbus intro was...rough. It's a shame the intro is so poor. Even the first chapter is an incredible improvement. Project Moon just cannot do onboarding. Ever.
Maybe it's almost intentional? Project Moon benefits greatly from it's cult following status, so metaphorical filtering/gatekeeping/self selection to leave only the most deticated might actually be part of their success?
I see why you'd think the tutorial was rough but i don't understand why people think intro is bad? Limbus was my first project moon game and i was hooked on the story from the start
@@arsiiiii More...I think that it's a bit of a shame that the art for that segment is rougher and that they more or less had to have all 12 Sinners take turns with the meet and greet. There's a lot to like but I can totally get why it turns some people off.
Pat unfortunately threw himself into the wall for Limbus seeing how it's the 3rd installment of a game with lore as asinine as explaining how to watch JoJo correctly.
It's a weird paradox when it comes to Limbus. Like, the game is designed as an entry to the City. The protagonist is an amnesiac who keeps notes on new things they learn and you're literally on a tour bus. But then the game starts throwing in characters from past games, referencing things only long-time players will get, and even dropping what were major spoilers in past games as though they're common knowledge. Very much a "the why matters more than the what" sort of setting, like hearing people talk about the White Nights isn't going to ruin Lobotomy Corporation for you. But it's still kind of strange as a "newbie's window." It feels like what you'd experience if you started with JoJo Part 7, to use your analogy. Like, you understand the story, you vibe with the characters, but there is a *context* you are fundamentally missing that makes things feel a bit off.
Pat complaining about not being able to get materials for Acheron makes it sound like he'd be fucking fuming if he played Genshin without having reached Inazuma. If he thought the Acheron thing was bad, he'd explode having to go through a fuckton of quests just to be able to get the Inazuma materials lmao.
This was me when Raiden first released, got het but was barely in Liyue and had to go to my friends world for some of the mats and then grind through the story on my own This is one point I will give to Fate/GO that despite it being an older game that doesnt have an auto battler, at least now for all players as you progress in the main story theres an extra currency and shop where you can buy all materials and items needed for characters who just released or who have mats that are only farmable in later chapters. sure theres a limit to each item you can buy but it does really help you set up your account a lot faster to further progress the main story and being able to do events.
I can totally see Woolie drop one of his default Grunt Nikkes the second he draws Red Hood. She is the literally the best unit in the game and a walking Guren Lagaan reference.
So yeah, Limbus Company Tutorial is horrible but you stay for the story. Each character is based off literary characters taken from their various stories and put into the setting of Project Moon's The City where existence is pain but you must still live. Anyway, youtube has various tutorials for how to actually play Limbus Company. Can't wait for Canto 7 and see how they can break and rebuild Don Quixote.
tbf it's fair to say that it's a monumental failure of tutorial design if people have to go watch a video on youtube to actually learn how to play the game
@@ixtiander999 Its Project Moon and ever since their 1st game Lobotomy Corporation, this has been their standard. That said, I do agree that they need someone to help them in improving their Tutorials.
33:39 "Are there any games that do go back and spend money on the old shit?" The answer, funnily enough, is NIKKE! Most notable example I can think of is the first Christmas event that ran in 2022. Not only did they bring it back for free when Christmas came again in 2023, they also went back and had all of its cutscenes fully voiced, which during the initial run they were not. Pretty dang cool, IMO.
Honestly, no suprised about Limbus Company. A lot of Korean MMOs of past decade are like this. They always have weird introduction missions that suppose to sell you on the game, but it's rarel, if ever, updated and only way they fix it is by allowing you to skip it and play up to date modern version of game. And they all structured very similarly - either you are in your ultra instinct god form using super overopowered abilities, but then lose them, wake up from a dream, get pulled out by some magical force or something and start game as a noob, or you are just a random schmuck that becomes chosen one and has to "learn how to use the power". Pretty much every Korean mmo was like that, along with mandatory tutorial on how to use cash shop.
No way Woolie isn't the reason Outis is on this thumbnail And yeah not to be that person but Limbus really is a game that gets WAY better the later you get. Being someone who was playing since release, the first 3 chapters, which I considered basically amazing when I beat them all like a year ago, now feel like they're almost chump change in comparison to 4, 5, and 6. The tutorial is rough because it doesn't tell you the most important thing, which is "Look, all these skill effects and sin affinities are cool and important, but the number 1, most important thing in the game, is how high it rolls, and to focus on losing as few clashes as humanly possible. More coins = more hits = more damage and more chances to win a clash, even if you roll unlucky." Maybe now that Library of Ruina has a console release, it'd be better to try checking that out as like, an actual game that lets you get familiarized to concepts that are in Limbus in both gameplay and story? It's an amazing game on it's own, probably my favorite of all time, but it's completely understandable to not want to check out what is essentially a 100+ hour deckbuilder JRPG
The gachas I have played for extended periods of time are SMT Dx2 and Dislyte because there's like... actual battles. End game sucks in both where there's nothing to do but try to get the newest shiny, but before you hit that point there are a lot of things to do and your strategy can actually matter.
@@furyberserk Very true, it's designed for having quick access to any and all pings on the screen at any time which makes controller setups very abnormal. I managed to make it sorta work with the controller's face buttons but it's definitely not for everyone. If you've ever played FF14 with a controller, then the button combos will look very similar. I do think that they can still work on making the keybind icons more consistent cause some of them appear as blank. Also allowing all keybinds to be rebinded. At the moment, it feels like 80% of the keybinds can be rebinded and the other 20% are locked for some reason.
17:32 "The PC client is NOT the one to play" You say that now, but anyone who takes the plunge will quickly disavow that statement, as attempting the more challenging higher-level content on a phone screen instead of a mouse and keyboard is a *N I G H T M A R E*
I mean, he’s summoned Acheron, so I think he’s gotten a whiff of how strong the bait is. But Penacony has really salvaged a dip in the story that the luofu brought.
@@ryangallagher8194really? I’ve mostly seen positive responses to 2.1. Only real downside to it was it may have been the weakest in terms of quality of life updates so far, but with how much hsr gets, I trust they’ll have more improvements coming. Heck, I’m excited for 2.3 as they’ve made promises to fix the relic system, which honestly is the only part of the game that’s been a bit worse than genshin, and that’s saying something since it’s not good in genshin
Limbus company is a turn based rpg, Pat. Weird phone game gimmick doesnt change that. In defense of Limbus Company(which isnt much of a defense but an excuse). Pat is coming off of checking and playing AAA and AAAA gacha games published by multibillion dollar companies with thousands of employees while Limbus is from an indie dev team with like 50 people which was at the moment of release as low budget as it could get, and it didnt change much since then, so while I understand the whiplash that comes from seeing the presentation to moving into gameplay, it's really unfair to use that as a metric to judge a game, you are essentially comparing GTA V to Undertale. I dont have much hope for the tutorial to get fixxed as Project Moon is the kind of company that takes on a project and realizes they are biting more than they can chew... but they keep on chewing. The credits for the latest story update wasnt much bigger from previous ones, so unless they start to hire 20 or so new devs with all the gacha money that is flowing in, the company will be fully working on just keeping the pace with the new story updates(which got a lot better than at the beginning, which was a new episode and one miniepisode per Season, and now we have a new episode, two miniepisodes, and the Walpurgisnacht, which used to be just a special limited banner, is its own story event with new fights) instead of fixing previous stages of the game or starting to work on a new game(WHERE THE FUCK IS DISTORTION DETECTIVE, PROJECT MOON?). But yeah, everything else was pretty fair from Pat.
Limbus Company legit has one of the best story's I have experienced in a video game in my entire life and it breaks my heart that Pat couldn't get into it.
Limbus is a bit like Drakengard 3. You are intended to see these people as broken waste of oxygen forced to work together because otherwise it would make their later development nonsense. From their backgrounds it makes sense they are unlikable but at the end they become some of the best ensemble of characters in a game I have seen in a while. Narrativly I liked it better than Nier and it´s leagues above its gacha competition. And the game is only half finished at most. We still have 6 more cantos to go for character and yet it keeps peaking with each one. Canto 1 and 2 are introduction at best. But from 3 onwards the kid gloves are off. Another problem is that PM obviously intended for most players to play Library of Ruina before, which is very good introduction to the setting. Both are very slow burns but PM doesnt let go of the valve for a second.
I'm amazed people recommended Punishing Gray Raven to Pat. That game is SO fucking scuffed until after chapter 8. It's the purest example of money injection in the genre, AND the controls are fucking horrible to boot
While the beginning tutorial is bad (not gonna defend it at all) , hearing Pat complain that Limbus doesn't look like Star Rail (A game from a multibillion dollar company) was pretty painful. Project Moon is an indie dev studio with like maybe 30-40 people, not all of them are devs and their last two games had to be crowdfunded. They don't have that Mihoyo money and they just now started making cash with Limbus. Hell the fact that Ruina is getting a console port is a shock and something I never thought would happen. While I would love for them to fix up that intro one day, expecting them to suddenly have Star Rail like graphics and quality is absurd.
As a day 1 NIKKE player I feel really bad about people calling Aria bad when Pat pulled her. Aria is an endgame boss specific tech options. She is not bad, just not doing much in early Campaign, but almost anything handles early campaign. In general NIKKEs biggest progression delay is the giga long idle game you gotta play for level ups in the synchro device, and pulling the best units helps so little with that that unless a person's first 5 SSRs are exactly Brid, Eunwha, Signal, Crow, and Yuni I would not advise a reroll. You need 25 units for Solo Raid later anyways so most of the roster sees play at a high level.
Nah, honestly it's just for units, don't listen to the people who can't remember what you actually have to do for the early game because they played too much and don't remember actually what the system is and are just auto piloting.
Reminder, the main artist for NIKKE is women and specifically ones the CEO's wife. Now the real want. You know Steller Blade? NIKKE got an announcment for it for special login bonus. Now imagine they add Eve to NIKKE and vice versa, they add NIKKE (probably Rapi, Red Hood and such) to Steller Blade. Just randomly adding a completely different mechanics for the NIKKE where you get cover shooter mechanics for them. I also just want a Time Crisis game with the pedal. This is getting a fucking stage play so I legit think they would make an arcade game for it at some point.
Btw, you can play Nikke horizontally on the phone, but it is kinda awkward, imo. And you can fullscreen/adjust resolution but not mid-game. To be frank, some of the high level content in the game is just much much better to fight on the PC version than the phone, imo.
Limbus Company is a really fun game for me, but the kind of game you probably really get a better time with by hearing about it or watching footage of it rather than playing it. Because it's basically the third story in a series, and the *fourth* if you count the novel that introduces Vergilius and his whole deal. On top of, you know, all the jank going on with its tutorial. Also I feel like if Pat or Woolie tried either Library of Ruina or Lobotomy Corp they'd get even more convinced to drop it because those games are incredibly opaque in how they teach you as well.
Pat would be surprised (if he keeps playing Nikke) how valuable the PC client actually is to things like boss battles (Special Interception & Solo Raid) because that 60 fps comes in real handy on some of em
Yeah i can’t really say i’m that surprised it turned out you didn’t like Limbus at all… can’t say i didn't hope for the best. I really do think it’s not just a good game and story, but the best i’ve ever seen out of any game to this day.
Better than Pat, but still kinda iffy. The person we REALLY need to get into the game is Eyepatch Wolf. And then HE will be able to get Woolie into it.
The "you have to finish the tutorial to go to the options" thing killed F/GO for me. I just wanted to find a way to make the text boxes not work in the worst way imaginable, but the game kept pushing me from battle to battle with the entire UI locked for so long that I gave up and uninstalled it. The punchline is that no, there is no way to make the text boxes work.
I guess people conveniently forgot to tell Pat that Limbus Company got like two prequels that are not gacha and play completely different. Theres no way in hell he would be into it.
Listen, yall are going about this the wrong, you gotta try Titan War where every unit has an "all your base" style engrish voice over, Bloodline where the draw mechanic is being intimate with your captured werewolf concubine, zombie strike which is a zombie apocalypse game, but it's a clone of idle heroes so they have a bunch of modern fantasy character assets casting healing spells and fireballs. That's mobile gacha games.
Woolie says he doesn't like MMO's, but he hasn't played Black Desert that uses fighting game level inputs... Pvp opener? Shift Rightclick -> R -> D+F -> Shift leftclick -> A+R -> W+F -> Shift W -> S+F etc. May as well be keyboard equivalents to circle inputs.
As somebody currently going through Lobotomy Corporation to then play Library of Ruina and to then play Limbus Company- Yeahhhh I don't know who recommended Limbus Company to Pat but that was not the play to make lmao. Could call from a mile away that he'd have a million problems with the game without the proper context (of the game series and Project Moon as a company itself) going in.
That has literally nothing to do with anything. Two of those games have completely different mechanics, none of the original characters show up as units he can get in Limbus and it doesn't change the fact he doesn't like the characters or stripped down tutorial systems of Ruina that end up going into the Arcsys problem of making thing easier to then add one other thing that ends up turning it way harder.
The only Gacha game i liked was One Piece Treasure Cruise because the combat was like a high precision Mario and Luigi: Brothers in Time. All the content had very specific unit skill requirements if you wanted to beat it with the free to play units that you could unlock, so there was a sense of progression and earning your way forward with each unit being a tool in your arsenal. It eventually became a grindfest and im not sure if its still doable with exclusively free to play units.
Multiple characters' plot points in Nikke revolve around them blending in to the reat of humanity, which leads to funny scenerios like "wow, I sure am glad I am a normal human woman, right guys" - the white-haired, red-eyed voluptous woman with cloths vacuume sealed to her chest.
Are you talking about Yulha? lol that's kinda true but that's just how the Nikke universe works lol (in terms of clothing and looks)
Yeah they're talking about Yulha. Squad Triangle which consists of Yulha, Privaty and Admi are Nikkes that work for the Central Government whose explicit purpose is to blend in as real people.
Which is hilarious because Privaty is a woman with blue Miku Hatsune pigtails that touch the floor
I keep thinking they're gonna kiss.
Brother man you can see the signs. Stop saying your thinking, cause you're already knowing. Its gonna happen.
When they kiss Pat's ass gets greased, Superbeast, Superbeast
HUH
like sasuke n naruto
Never forget that picture hacked from Pat's hard drive
The automatic button is NOT in Fate Grand Order, we beg for it, they refuse, its been almost 8 years
*Laughs in Limbus*
I remember playing fire emblem heroes and they actually put it behind the battlepass
@@El_Legante Win rates fine!.....most of the time...... Lol
@@gameb9oyno no, You can auto battle you just have to activate it every map. You get continuous auto battle with the monthly pass along with some other minor stuff
At least for the farming missions.
Damn Doors.
I'm not gonna dickride for Limbus despite loving the game, but I will put a little context. The game takes place in a wider world with pre established lore that occurs in the previous two games in the series.
Lobotomy Corporation, a monster management sim.
And
Library of Ruina, a mix between a deck battler and visual novel.
I found it easy to let Limbus hit its stride after the tutorial because I had the context of knowing the madmen and madwomen behind the IP could in fact cook.
Coming into its godawful tutorial blind to both the gacha experience and the series, I can see why Pat couldn't keep going.
Why is the games tutorial known for being bad? I'm a new player and felt like everything was explained well.
@@Joseph_Siri Do you know what chaining colors actually does? Do you know what offense and defense level effect? You you know how to activate defense skills and E.G.O.s?
@@MarlKitsune yeah.
@@Joseph_Siri Then you've looked at external sources because only one of those things is explained in the tutorial.
@MarlKitsune If you look at the channel "Bek" and his no commentary playthrough playlist of Limbus Company, I'll provide you a time stamp with every tutorial prompt you claim I've seen elsewhere.
Video -Part 1
What is absolute Resonance: 8:09
Video -Part 2
Attack type and Affinities: 5:03
Defensive Skills: 5:33
Video -Part 3
Ego Skills and Resources: 4:20
The game literally provides all the information you claimed I've seen elsewhere. I honestly didn't have any issues understanding any of it either. Hope this clears things up and proves I wasn't lying.
I think most people online are just bad at retaining information when it comes to new game genres.
Like teaching someone Mahjong for the first time.
Wait it just hit me: Woolie makes the thumbnails, he must've google'd Limbus Company characters and inmediately locked into Outis, she's Wooliebait, literally Casca.
I only played a bit so far cause pat flushing the game got me curious but her, Gregor and the other big angry dude are pretty cool and up his alley
@@Kardz6 Heathcliff? I would never guess.
Actually, the thumbnails are outsourced and done by someone else. Credits are in the description
Gilf Casca, to be specific
Lol true.@@BomberTM
I love watching Woolie and Pat engage with the mobile gaming market. They are on top of so much of the rest of the video game industry, it's hilarious watching them go back and forth about game design and mechanics that have been prevalent for 4-5 years already.
Nothing is more CSB than these two talking confidently about what something is like, and it obviously not being as accurate as they think
An hour long talk about gacha games and the most morally reprehensible thing I heard was Pat introducing his nephew to Balatro
That might have been a fucky-wucky
yeah i love project moon and limbus company but yeah they're not the best at tutorials and the begging is pretty rough to get through, i do hope at some point they go back and fix it up at some point.
It's project moon if they go back to remake the tutorial we'll somehow end up with advice that actually makes people worse at playing.
I love how Angela gives you advice that is actively wrong.
@@SeekSeekLest you mean Faust? or are you talking abt LobCorp?
@CrystalOatz I was thinking Lobcorp. Angela is presented as your reliable second but following her advice will doom you by day 20.
LIMBUS COMPANYYYYY
but in all seriousness thats a very valid reaction to going in to limbus blind. It sucks how back-loaded the quality stuff is, but it was the first gacha the devs made and they definitely got better as time went on. Also the plot and lore of their games are *very* insular and self referential, which only makes the people who are really into it seem absolutely insane (which is justified).
And as much as i hate the "it gets good" defense, i genuinely think that it becomes a fantastic visual novel with an only somewhat obtuse game tacked on to it. I just genuinely think they dont have the budget to go back and fix the earlier parts. Also it only has one currency and two upgrade materials that are used for everything which i think counts for something
That toe dip is gonna turn into full on water boarding if you’re not careful…
Pat describing Boss drops as currency is funny, especially as He PLAYS MMOs
Because he sees its gacha, that turns off his brain.
That's it.
I wonder if gacha brain is why I don’t get why Pat and Woolie struggle with the different “currencies” of the game. It’s annoying to grind for stuff, but I don’t know any game that makes them actively hard to find
@@gameb9oy If they were talking about a game like TOF which does have like 10 actual currencies going on for It's gacha system, I would understand, but Pat went gacha brain on what are literally just boss drops.
Woolie I can understand with his megaman Issue but It's not even relative to the Bossing situation Pat is talking about because there's not a thing in the megaman game or outside the game telling him to fight a boss or something so it in all likelyhood could just be a remaining aspect of gacha that wasn't ported to offline, on top of that, Woolie mostly understands things if he can relate it to a fighting game concept because that's what he mostly knows.
Pat understands the concept of grinding a boss for boss drops, He plays MMOs and MonHun, games where grinding a boss for It's drops is normal.
@@gameb9oy
Every MMO.
Aren't MMOs kinda like Muliplayer Gachas in a way lol.
THE ODYSSEY HAD A PURPOSE
Outism has reached Pat
Dammit you beat me to it
Long live the Outism
THE MUTLITUDE TIGHTENS IT'S HOLD
HAGS
HAGS
HAGS
HAGS
I miss when Goon was a way to call henchmen to a crime boss.
Seeing her in the thumbnail reminds me that it has been over a year and K is still locked in NPC jail over on Nikke.
Not only she is locked in there. Her sister got out TWICE lmao
@@steelblake lol She got an alter before K even became playable
i'm kinda more shocked Milk didn't get in the thumbnail
Project Moon basically uses Limbus Company as a way to fund future single-play games set in their universe.
That was the plan. It's a very small studio so they probably can't run both at once.
I would guess that the current plan is to run Limbus for another couple years so they can finish out Inferno and sit on their dragon's hoard.
Didn't they cancel one of their singleplayer games in favor of Limbus a couple months ago?
@rfaokigahara949 they canceled the Distortion Detective game and seem to have rolled the storyline into Limbus Company.
There's been some less then subtle foreshadowing about plotlines that they set up in that spin off.
@@SeekSeekLest You say that as if they are just taking the money and not putting a bunch of it back into Limbus Company, making it way better than Pat's glowing review here would imply.
as a limbus head, few things
- yeah, the tutorial's shite
- the combat system is weird but once you get it down it's *IMO* really rewarding
- limbus is an indie game, like IIRC it has 15 employees (in general) and 1? translator and 2? actual developers, which is why it can't really do that kind of earlygame touchup that it needs. c'est la vie
- people talk all weird because they're *all* based on old books, but it clears itself up a little around chapter 2 or 3 - that's what i've seen tends to hook people
- this is the 3rd in a series, all completely different genres, which is both why the fans are Like That and why the game is Like That
It had one translator, but he had a public mental breakdown over how much work he had to do translating such heavy chewy dialogue during Canto 4 and they decided to hire a second one. This was also around the time it came out that the workplace there is really, REALLY rough and a bunch of people got fired, including that one artist
The funniest thing about Woolie mentioning Nikke's EX missions being "too hard for now" is that EX missions always scale you up to a fixed level so it's ironically just a skill issue.
lol but they still take into comparison leveling of skills, if you invested in harmony cubes, and also if you invested in Recycling Room
Also, there are characters whose toolkits are just objectively superior to most others. Like, someone runs a team that has Liter, Crown and Red Hood is just flat-out going to have a easier time of things over someone who only has say, Soldier OW, Product 23 and iDoll Sun.
Pat talking about the Limbus tutorial feeling out of date and "alpha" is exactly how I when I was trying to give Granblue Fantasy a shot. The tutorial intro stuff felt so weird. Also finding out there wasn't a story justification for the gatcha system was so confusing to me
Not that I want anyone to go into hell that is grindblue fantasy, but they actually made proper-ish tutorial update recently where you clear bunch of missions increasing in difficulty and gives you quite decent early-mid game weapon grid along with some chars and also teaches you some basic stuff (still missing some other things but oh well considering how needlessly complex that game is can't do it all). Though there are still videos on youtube that explain things better than ingame guides/tutorials do.
Thing that's weird and counterintuitive about gbf compared to most other gachas is that core of your power is in weapons grind, not in characters you pull/get. Regardless of what various tier lists might say, those things really only start mattering after you reach certain point of farming up other things that even whales can't really escape afaik. And that's another issue with gbf, its core gameplay is farming up tiers of weapons to be strong to move onto farming next tier of weapons. Some of those things are literally years long process. But, if you are interested in basic events/characters and various collabs which gbf has lots of you can give it a try without worrying about "proper/optimal" way to play. There are coop raids that you can host and leech of just to get certain clear prizes so you're not locked out of content just because you're newbie in 9-10y old game.
Pat is wrong about horizontal only being on the Nikke PC version. There's a button at the start of every mission that lets you toggle it you just cant do it mid-battle
crazy talk activated lol
nah, im sure he legit didnt know about it
He didn't get past the tutorial. And i'm surprised the game stayed on window mode despite being the pc version.
There is also a button in settings to make the whole thing in horizontal mode, though its clearly not designed with it in mind, as it ends up being centered with large black borders on both sides, thankfully though they are clickable for advancing text and what not
Cannot take anyone seriously anyone who dony get past the baby tutorial. Tbh, he only played less than half an hour of each game. Horizontal view is in both PC and Mobile. He's just an ass about the settings.
The problem is that the game forgets you are on a phone and keeps the size of the letters as if you were on PC
Si I can't fucking read anything
It's funny that Pat hated Ishmael so much he did not even register Limbus has only one currency and two universal upgrade materials
He didn't even get that far because he didn't finish Selva Oscura.
This is why trying to get into a gacha game that is at least a year old will always be very difficult. Nothing will be able to make up for everything you've already missed up to that point.
Like getting into a fighting game late.
Mostly.
I’m surprised Pat felt that way with HSR because I think it’s kind of an exception. Permanent events are so rare for gacha but they’re all available. Whichever character is on banner is new and good. Both of those go a long way when you sit down with the game.
Nikke is like, the exact opposite though, if you’re new, the new Nikkes are mediocre, and the events encouraged for all players actively spoil mid-late game story.
This is why I really think there should be new player induction events which give tons of stuff to only new players. It isn't going to be even close to the people who've already grinded for years, but at least they could enjoy something at a mildly comparable powerlevel.
Yeah. But at least story-based ones are easy in the early game since the meta would have shifted after a year.
In many ways, my experience with F/GO echoes a lot of the comments here.
I started in late 2019, which in terms of the story was around the time Arc 1.5 (Epic of Remnant) was ending and Arc 2 (Cosmos in the Lostbelt) was beginning.
I didn’t finish Arc 1/Observer on Timeless Temple until late 2020/early 2021 (by which point the Lostbelt 3 chapter for Arc 2 was out), and only barely finished Lostbelt 3 in time for a story event requiring it by skipping all of EoR (something the game allows you to do as it’s an interquel arc) and leaving it for later.
That being said, a lot of that was due to laziness and inconsistency in my playtime. Even then, Arc 1’s story content was a lot easier thanks to powerful support characters like Merlin drastically altering the meta.
It’s only around Arcs 1.5/2 where the truly difficult content arrives and friend supports aren’t enough to carry you (though the last boss fights of Arc 1 can still be tough if you don’t know what you’re doing).
Ever since then, I’ve been able to keep pace with the main story without too many issues.
However, one of FGO’s biggest problems is that it is allergic to rerunning old limited time events in a timely fashion and in recent years has almost completely abandoned event reruns, creating a large content deficit for newcomers.
@@thatcynicalbastard6636I feel like giving something only to newbie gacha players is just going to lead to the veterans getting bitter that they didn’t get that help. Heck I think the genshin fanbase is a little sick about how the games quality of life updates is only really helpful for the new players since there’s still only one bit of endgame content to tackle
Seeing Outis on a Castle Super Beast thumbnail next to K from Nikke was like getting flashbanged at 3AM
I'm surprised they didn't even look in the direction of Honkai.
The "early access" grinding in Star Rail isn't part of the anniversary event, they always do that for limited banner characters during the patch their banner is live. It only gives you early access to ascension and standard trace materials though, relics and advanced trace materials still require you to have actually unlocked them.
It's so weird seeing Pat become completely mystified by game concepts just because they are in a mobile game. Pat, you play a MMO, how the hell are you confused about the concept of materials?
I didn't finish the video so I can't speak for Pat completely, but as someone with 500 hours in FFXIV, I can say materials specifically is why I always bounce off gachas, they are really aggressive about throwing 30 different currencies and ways to pay for them as soon as you install the game and it just overwhelms me. The only gacha I could stick with is Star Rail since they introduce a lot of that stuff much slower.
@@Kango234
No they don't.
That's MMO's your talking about.
Star Rail throws just as many at you as soon as you get to the gacha but it's just auto handled and tells you what's what like Pat said.
@@Kango234 Except that they don't do that at all. On every gacha that I have even HEARD of the currencies are associated to an specific activity, you need X to do Y so you do activity Z to get X.
That is the most basic of mechanics and while you may get years of accumulated content if you join an old gacha game, they are still nowhere near the amount found on games that directly interact with crafting, like say Minecraft.
Pat couldn’t get into Limbus, it’s so over
Unironically filtered
All of project moon games are filters for normal people and deprived psychos
It’s a shame that Limbus Company didn’t click with Pat. Just played Chapter 6 and my investment in the story and characters couldn’t be higher.
I understand his frustration, though. It’s a more complicated rpg than Library of Ruina, yet there’s combat automation. It IS kind of a mechanical mess.
Yeah, not to mention HOW you play can be different between teams. Oh and attack direction, speed, clashing, redirection, and tanking....
@@tisisonlytemporary I don’t even match colors anymore! The tutorial set that up as a massive part of the game, and nearly every passive ability relies on sin resonance, but none of that matters if you lose the clash so you’d might as well just hit the win rate button! 😂
@@FluttersniperPersonally I actually swung back around towards resonance teams, AhabMael's S1 and S2 are perfect for synergy with a whoooole lot of things where resonance felt like a joke before.
@thatcynicalbastard6636 I do appreciate resonance ID mechanics, but it's a bit silly the entire tutorial's focus is only relevant for four or five of the games DOZENS of IDs
@@drbeeant True, especially since they didn't exist until recently, and that's all the tutorial really encouraged
Sucks chat told Pat to make an entirely new Nikke account just because he got some mid units.
The early game gives you a bunch of shit early game just from playing the story. Unless you get really unlucky, you're bound to get something good.
I've been playing for just over a week now and must have pulled about 200 times without having to spend a penny. Is there something special about that post tutorial roll that makes it better, because I can't imagine it being worth your time to redo everything just to get a better result on your initial roll of 10 characters.
@@Snidhog The first 10 pull has a guranteed ssr
Manager Esquire!!!!! To where in the world hast thou disappeared!!!!!!!!!!!
Little Sir Squirrel!!!!!!!!!
The nikke toe-dip got me in the shallow end of the pull, still ftp but im having fun too
Even the swirly glasses nerd girl has dumpy. It's hard not to enjoy.
I don't think the translation for Limbus Company is bad translation. It's actually a good one, it's just the people who you hear talking in game at first are MEANT to talk weird. And some loosen up later but yeah, the translation is not bad. The script is just meant to be weird for those guys
Similarly, the combat system is not just dragging from left to right. There's two types of battles: one where you do the drag from left to right, the other is where you choose attacks and parts to clash with directly
Personally I feel like what would be best is to first experience the world of the game through previous entries especially because Library of Ruina feels like it'd be way way more of something Pat or Woolie would enjoy
2:08 "You can tell how into people that game are"
To pats question at around 36:10 the reason you don't just have a one stop shop point to farm materials is most likely so you don't overwhelm new players who want to upgrade their unit only to have 15 different stages all pop up at once and even more so in that sooner mats are for same element type but different characters depending on when they came out, which is a point we could talk about but that's tangential.
And there's so many ads of AFK Journey. The interesting part is how there's ads of all types to appeal to all the types of people that fall for these games.
There's the ones that show high quality cinematics and animations, or cool characters in combat, there's the streamer that is doing gatcha pulls, there's the Hero wars style nonsensical ones...
God pats review of limbus was wild
I was singing back and forth like a pendulum
What do you mean you hate Ishmael?
Oh yeah the tutorial fucking sucks
And so on and so forth
I just played Limbus for the first time recently and am in the dungeon in chapter 2. I've got no idea what Pat was going on about saying that the tutorial was irrelevant. I thought that the game explained things well, and every piece of information was something that I still used each mission. Besides blocking/dodging/counter I guess, everything hits pretty light where I'm at.
I also don't get the hate for Ishmael either, she's literally as normal as can be, next to Gregor and Meurseult. She was even described as a person who listens to orders and gets the job done.
@@Joseph_Siri
Because it's gacha so his brain stops working right.
Also he doesn't like Ishmael because she isn't weird and ends up being more hateful to him because of it cause he sees himself in her.
@@Joseph_Siri The tutorial is pretty universally accepted as being awful by the Limbus community. It leaves out a lot of important stuff and also the stuff that is explained is not explained very well. Thankfully the game will take some time to get to the point where you'll be punished for not knowing things (there were some early roadblocks, one was right before the chapter 2 dungeon actually, but they got nerfed), and by the time it happens the player will either learn enough from just playing or at least feel invested enough to go look up advice.
@@Joseph_Siri The thing that made Pat stop was the game not making available at all times the names of each Sin affinity. He got the tutorial for it, and the game then expects you to have memorized them all. Apart from that, there's stuff like not showing where the Coins are when they are presented, not differentiating between base power and coin power, not explaining the chance system(which is what most people would pay attention to at the start since it shines golden at the upper center part of the screen), the game makes a big deal about the importance of Resonance, hugely hypes it up, but then doesnt explain exactly what it does. Though he didnt get there, im not sure if the game explains how the difference in Offense Levels affects Clashing. and then there's small stuff like not explaining how which status effects' Counts can go lower, you need to either pay a lot of attention or check outside of the game to realize that Tremor Bursting does not lower Tremor Count, while every other status effect does lower its Count when it procs.
I can't imagine DISliking Ishmael right from the start, that's so insane
It's something funny to me getting AFK journey ads while watching this while Pat says it's the most nothing game.
I can't believe Pat would shittalk my fishwife like this, I am outraged and appalled.
Nikke is that game where its fun until you hit the wall, but the real wall is being fucking embarrassed to be seen playing it.
I spent like 3 days trying to find a scenario where I'm away enough from my family to start an ew account, specifically because if my christian-raised parents saw any screen at any time, I'd have no argument
I am not particularly surprised but amused pat stopped PGR and limbus before really regular gameplay due to longish tutorials made longer by streaming. For instance in PGR he wasn't quite sure orb pinging works yet lets pick the ui where they are hiding in the corner and try and bind away controls from default. before completely done with the tutorial.
17:04 "Hey I like flashy pretty colors!"
somewhere there is an alternate where pat took the LIFE SAVING ADVICE of skipping the tutorial and being super into the story, instead of picking the bad ending and getting filtered by the tutorial.
but you can tell patt is a gacha game newbie by thinking that they rolled a charecter in the tutorial and was random.
13:40 I mean it is called AFK Journey. What did you expect? This is like the "don't open dead bird" bit
Least it's honest with AFK in the name.
The problem is that this isn't an actual plus for most of the audience.
@@bentobias737
That's a lie when literally everyone in the comments is going "I wish this was auto" or "modern audience".
@@RavenCloak13 They want to automate the daily, time-consuming grind in their actually fun games.
AFK Journey is nothing but the grind with a barebones story binding it together. It is more of a game than AFK arena, and that’s the best I can say about it.
If you get stuck in AFK Journey, your only solution is to wait. There *is* a grind, and that’s eking out whatever reward you can until you have to wait longer. And that’s the problem, the thing I am criticizing, because where other games do you to wait for whatever time gated resource to regenerate while letting you play and do other things elsewhere, I really need to reiterate this, AFK Journey not only has nothing else but has based its entire gameplay loop around slowing down your progress through its mediocre story as much as possible until it all becomes one long grind of ever-increasing requirements to experience the next five minutes of story and hour or two of fighting identical enemies which probably requires minimal input from you.
Going back to the Limbus intro was...rough.
It's a shame the intro is so poor. Even the first chapter is an incredible improvement.
Project Moon just cannot do onboarding. Ever.
Maybe it's almost intentional? Project Moon benefits greatly from it's cult following status, so metaphorical filtering/gatekeeping/self selection to leave only the most deticated might actually be part of their success?
I see why you'd think the tutorial was rough but i don't understand why people think intro is bad? Limbus was my first project moon game and i was hooked on the story from the start
@@arsiiiii More...I think that it's a bit of a shame that the art for that segment is rougher and that they more or less had to have all 12 Sinners take turns with the meet and greet.
There's a lot to like but I can totally get why it turns some people off.
Limbus fans like myself always appear when even a hint of their obsession is called upon. We descend like locusts.
Pat unfortunately threw himself into the wall for Limbus seeing how it's the 3rd installment of a game with lore as asinine as explaining how to watch JoJo correctly.
It's a weird paradox when it comes to Limbus. Like, the game is designed as an entry to the City. The protagonist is an amnesiac who keeps notes on new things they learn and you're literally on a tour bus.
But then the game starts throwing in characters from past games, referencing things only long-time players will get, and even dropping what were major spoilers in past games as though they're common knowledge.
Very much a "the why matters more than the what" sort of setting, like hearing people talk about the White Nights isn't going to ruin Lobotomy Corporation for you. But it's still kind of strange as a "newbie's window."
It feels like what you'd experience if you started with JoJo Part 7, to use your analogy. Like, you understand the story, you vibe with the characters, but there is a *context* you are fundamentally missing that makes things feel a bit off.
Project moon actually did make a good version of limbus with no microtransactions, better story pace and better mechanics....It's library of ruina
Pat complaining about not being able to get materials for Acheron makes it sound like he'd be fucking fuming if he played Genshin without having reached Inazuma. If he thought the Acheron thing was bad, he'd explode having to go through a fuckton of quests just to be able to get the Inazuma materials lmao.
This was me when Raiden first released, got het but was barely in Liyue and had to go to my friends world for some of the mats and then grind through the story on my own
This is one point I will give to Fate/GO that despite it being an older game that doesnt have an auto battler, at least now for all players as you progress in the main story theres an extra currency and shop where you can buy all materials and items needed for characters who just released or who have mats that are only farmable in later chapters. sure theres a limit to each item you can buy but it does really help you set up your account a lot faster to further progress the main story and being able to do events.
I can totally see Woolie drop one of his default Grunt Nikkes the second he draws Red Hood. She is the literally the best unit in the game and a walking Guren Lagaan reference.
May the luck be with him because man the possibility of pulling her is less than likely
@@steelblakeas a proud Red Wolf owner I can say she's awesome.
@@steelblakeso what you’re saying is, if Woolie talks about her, we all make fun of how much he spent on her?
Not really. Just Level Synching his Rare girls to Red Hood or such would be the actual thing.
is that outis from limbus company in the thumbnail
Yesss
Please, for all that is holy, do not touch F/GO, I beg of thee.
Signed,
Man who has been playing F/GO since launch
"Oh, what does this skill do?"
*random effects are applied*
@@RavenCloak13
Oh, it boosts party attack, cool! By how much?
What do you mean I need to check the wiki?
Man, I refuse to go back to that game unless they add an auto button for farming
@@LiterallyWhomstve
Meanwhile, Calamity James skill: "here is what each thing you get from how many stars you get".
>Laughs in Qin Liangyu’s NP
I'm here because I saw Outis in the thumbnail. Please like it, please like it, please like it!
I feel like Heathcliff after Canto VI now. T_T
So yeah, Limbus Company Tutorial is horrible but you stay for the story. Each character is based off literary characters taken from their various stories and put into the setting of Project Moon's The City where existence is pain but you must still live.
Anyway, youtube has various tutorials for how to actually play Limbus Company. Can't wait for Canto 7 and see how they can break and rebuild Don Quixote.
tbf it's fair to say that it's a monumental failure of tutorial design if people have to go watch a video on youtube to actually learn how to play the game
@@ixtiander999 Its Project Moon and ever since their 1st game Lobotomy Corporation, this has been their standard.
That said, I do agree that they need someone to help them in improving their Tutorials.
For me the only reason I downloaded Nikke was because I found out the ost by cosmogrph is an absolute banger
Its crazy that they managed to touch neither SMT Liberation dx2 nor Honkai Impact 3rd
Downwell, chess, dicey dungeon, slay the spire and super hexagon. Duly noted
Pat couldn't get into the limbussy, it's joever.
Also I hope Woolie can get to the cool part of Nikke's story
which one?
Women do be flopping
@@Biodeamon Imo Nikke's story starts to really pick up after Chatterbox appears and that is chapter 3 or 4 I wanna say
@@steelblake I feel like Chatterbox is a wooliebait antagonist
33:39 "Are there any games that do go back and spend money on the old shit?"
The answer, funnily enough, is NIKKE! Most notable example I can think of is the first Christmas event that ran in 2022. Not only did they bring it back for free when Christmas came again in 2023, they also went back and had all of its cutscenes fully voiced, which during the initial run they were not. Pretty dang cool, IMO.
Honestly, no suprised about Limbus Company. A lot of Korean MMOs of past decade are like this. They always have weird introduction missions that suppose to sell you on the game, but it's rarel, if ever, updated and only way they fix it is by allowing you to skip it and play up to date modern version of game. And they all structured very similarly - either you are in your ultra instinct god form using super overopowered abilities, but then lose them, wake up from a dream, get pulled out by some magical force or something and start game as a noob, or you are just a random schmuck that becomes chosen one and has to "learn how to use the power".
Pretty much every Korean mmo was like that, along with mandatory tutorial on how to use cash shop.
That mic is def not tuned for pat
No way Woolie isn't the reason Outis is on this thumbnail
And yeah not to be that person but Limbus really is a game that gets WAY better the later you get. Being someone who was playing since release, the first 3 chapters, which I considered basically amazing when I beat them all like a year ago, now feel like they're almost chump change in comparison to 4, 5, and 6. The tutorial is rough because it doesn't tell you the most important thing, which is "Look, all these skill effects and sin affinities are cool and important, but the number 1, most important thing in the game, is how high it rolls, and to focus on losing as few clashes as humanly possible. More coins = more hits = more damage and more chances to win a clash, even if you roll unlucky."
Maybe now that Library of Ruina has a console release, it'd be better to try checking that out as like, an actual game that lets you get familiarized to concepts that are in Limbus in both gameplay and story? It's an amazing game on it's own, probably my favorite of all time, but it's completely understandable to not want to check out what is essentially a 100+ hour deckbuilder JRPG
The gachas I have played for extended periods of time are SMT Dx2 and Dislyte because there's like... actual battles. End game sucks in both where there's nothing to do but try to get the newest shiny, but before you hit that point there are a lot of things to do and your strategy can actually matter.
Love PGR, but Pat hit right on the money with the controller issues. They've never worked on pc stuff and controller stuff before and it shows.
You gotta be fair. The ping system requires at least 11 unique presses from the right hand immediately. Its not meant for controller.
@@furyberserk Very true, it's designed for having quick access to any and all pings on the screen at any time which makes controller setups very abnormal. I managed to make it sorta work with the controller's face buttons but it's definitely not for everyone. If you've ever played FF14 with a controller, then the button combos will look very similar. I do think that they can still work on making the keybind icons more consistent cause some of them appear as blank. Also allowing all keybinds to be rebinded. At the moment, it feels like 80% of the keybinds can be rebinded and the other 20% are locked for some reason.
17:32 "The PC client is NOT the one to play"
You say that now, but anyone who takes the plunge will quickly disavow that statement, as attempting the more challenging higher-level content on a phone screen instead of a mouse and keyboard is a *N I G H T M A R E*
Pat is so close to reaching Penacony. That's when the waifu bait stops fucking around and gets serious
Complete with the Itadori Yuji treatment.
I mean, he’s summoned Acheron, so I think he’s gotten a whiff of how strong the bait is. But Penacony has really salvaged a dip in the story that the luofu brought.
2.0 was fantastic, but 2.1 has me very concerned again.
@@ryangallagher8194really? I’ve mostly seen positive responses to 2.1. Only real downside to it was it may have been the weakest in terms of quality of life updates so far, but with how much hsr gets, I trust they’ll have more improvements coming. Heck, I’m excited for 2.3 as they’ve made promises to fix the relic system, which honestly is the only part of the game that’s been a bit worse than genshin, and that’s saying something since it’s not good in genshin
@@gameb9oywild how that dip started right at Belabog's ending it was so scary.
Limbus company is a turn based rpg, Pat. Weird phone game gimmick doesnt change that.
In defense of Limbus Company(which isnt much of a defense but an excuse). Pat is coming off of checking and playing AAA and AAAA gacha games published by multibillion dollar companies with thousands of employees while Limbus is from an indie dev team with like 50 people which was at the moment of release as low budget as it could get, and it didnt change much since then, so while I understand the whiplash that comes from seeing the presentation to moving into gameplay, it's really unfair to use that as a metric to judge a game, you are essentially comparing GTA V to Undertale.
I dont have much hope for the tutorial to get fixxed as Project Moon is the kind of company that takes on a project and realizes they are biting more than they can chew... but they keep on chewing. The credits for the latest story update wasnt much bigger from previous ones, so unless they start to hire 20 or so new devs with all the gacha money that is flowing in, the company will be fully working on just keeping the pace with the new story updates(which got a lot better than at the beginning, which was a new episode and one miniepisode per Season, and now we have a new episode, two miniepisodes, and the Walpurgisnacht, which used to be just a special limited banner, is its own story event with new fights) instead of fixing previous stages of the game or starting to work on a new game(WHERE THE FUCK IS DISTORTION DETECTIVE, PROJECT MOON?).
But yeah, everything else was pretty fair from Pat.
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Limbus Company legit has one of the best story's I have experienced in a video game in my entire life and it breaks my heart that Pat couldn't get into it.
Limbus is a bit like Drakengard 3. You are intended to see these people as broken waste of oxygen forced to work together because otherwise it would make their later development nonsense. From their backgrounds it makes sense they are unlikable but at the end they become some of the best ensemble of characters in a game I have seen in a while. Narrativly I liked it better than Nier and it´s leagues above its gacha competition.
And the game is only half finished at most. We still have 6 more cantos to go for character and yet it keeps peaking with each one. Canto 1 and 2 are introduction at best. But from 3 onwards the kid gloves are off.
Another problem is that PM obviously intended for most players to play Library of Ruina before, which is very good introduction to the setting. Both are very slow burns but PM doesnt let go of the valve for a second.
So did anyone tell Pat how your DPS is tied to your FPS in NIKKE?
Yall forgot "you must build a boat"
I'm amazed people recommended Punishing Gray Raven to Pat. That game is SO fucking scuffed until after chapter 8. It's the purest example of money injection in the genre, AND the controls are fucking horrible to boot
Ngl I read the title as "The Gacha Toe Dip RESORT" and was very concerned about how far they'd fallen into the gacha whirlpool...
be careful with those toe dips
I just left FEH after 6 years of playing
While the beginning tutorial is bad (not gonna defend it at all) , hearing Pat complain that Limbus doesn't look like Star Rail (A game from a multibillion dollar company) was pretty painful. Project Moon is an indie dev studio with like maybe 30-40 people, not all of them are devs and their last two games had to be crowdfunded. They don't have that Mihoyo money and they just now started making cash with Limbus. Hell the fact that Ruina is getting a console port is a shock and something I never thought would happen. While I would love for them to fix up that intro one day, expecting them to suddenly have Star Rail like graphics and quality is absurd.
Just wait until people tell Pat that a lot of Nikke designs are actually made by women, equal gooning in the gacha industry.
As a day 1 NIKKE player I feel really bad about people calling Aria bad when Pat pulled her. Aria is an endgame boss specific tech options. She is not bad, just not doing much in early Campaign, but almost anything handles early campaign. In general NIKKEs biggest progression delay is the giga long idle game you gotta play for level ups in the synchro device, and pulling the best units helps so little with that that unless a person's first 5 SSRs are exactly Brid, Eunwha, Signal, Crow, and Yuni I would not advise a reroll. You need 25 units for Solo Raid later anyways so most of the roster sees play at a high level.
Nah, honestly it's just for units, don't listen to the people who can't remember what you actually have to do for the early game because they played too much and don't remember actually what the system is and are just auto piloting.
@@RavenCloak13 I mean I've played alt accounts to double check what I'm talking about and yeah you can use almost anything in early game.
Reminder, the main artist for NIKKE is women and specifically ones the CEO's wife.
Now the real want. You know Steller Blade? NIKKE got an announcment for it for special login bonus. Now imagine they add Eve to NIKKE and vice versa, they add NIKKE (probably Rapi, Red Hood and such) to Steller Blade. Just randomly adding a completely different mechanics for the NIKKE where you get cover shooter mechanics for them.
I also just want a Time Crisis game with the pedal. This is getting a fucking stage play so I legit think they would make an arcade game for it at some point.
Phone games be like: I am inevitable.
I realized this so many years ago... And now you all will too.
Btw, you can play Nikke horizontally on the phone, but it is kinda awkward, imo. And you can fullscreen/adjust resolution but not mid-game.
To be frank, some of the high level content in the game is just much much better to fight on the PC version than the phone, imo.
Im playing Nikke on fullscreen, on my pc, on my second monitor, so I have no idea what Pats talking about
Limbus Company is a really fun game for me, but the kind of game you probably really get a better time with by hearing about it or watching footage of it rather than playing it. Because it's basically the third story in a series, and the *fourth* if you count the novel that introduces Vergilius and his whole deal. On top of, you know, all the jank going on with its tutorial.
Also I feel like if Pat or Woolie tried either Library of Ruina or Lobotomy Corp they'd get even more convinced to drop it because those games are incredibly opaque in how they teach you as well.
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Pat would be surprised (if he keeps playing Nikke) how valuable the PC client actually is to things like boss battles (Special Interception & Solo Raid) because that 60 fps comes in real handy on some of em
I wonder if Pat will ever tell Woolie about a special game with Mecha, Religion, Racism, fighting games, and Blanka?
Yeah i can’t really say i’m that surprised it turned out you didn’t like Limbus at all… can’t say i didn't hope for the best. I really do think it’s not just a good game and story, but the best i’ve ever seen out of any game to this day.
AFK Journey seemed ok, until I realized it was draining my battery while my phone was locked.
A lot of the good gachas come with the not insignificant downside of killing your battery
16:26 I need a new keyboard from the coffee I spit in it, thanks pat 👍
whenever someone says honkai i think honkers
Ok but how do you think Woolie would feel about Limbus?
Better than Pat, but still kinda iffy.
The person we REALLY need to get into the game is Eyepatch Wolf.
And then HE will be able to get Woolie into it.
@@random767612e true. We should also get Paige in
@@random767612e God, how can one man be so right?
The "you have to finish the tutorial to go to the options" thing killed F/GO for me. I just wanted to find a way to make the text boxes not work in the worst way imaginable, but the game kept pushing me from battle to battle with the entire UI locked for so long that I gave up and uninstalled it.
The punchline is that no, there is no way to make the text boxes work.
I guess people conveniently forgot to tell Pat that Limbus Company got like two prequels that are not gacha and play completely different. Theres no way in hell he would be into it.
Listen, yall are going about this the wrong, you gotta try Titan War where every unit has an "all your base" style engrish voice over, Bloodline where the draw mechanic is being intimate with your captured werewolf concubine, zombie strike which is a zombie apocalypse game, but it's a clone of idle heroes so they have a bunch of modern fantasy character assets casting healing spells and fireballs. That's mobile gacha games.
Woolie says he doesn't like MMO's, but he hasn't played Black Desert that uses fighting game level inputs... Pvp opener? Shift Rightclick -> R -> D+F -> Shift leftclick -> A+R -> W+F -> Shift W -> S+F etc. May as well be keyboard equivalents to circle inputs.
poor guys thinking that goon button is for cheaters and not retrying the roadblock levels...
lol. I’m 10 minutes in and I’ve gotten 1 Genshin ad and 1 Star Rail ad. 😂
As somebody currently going through Lobotomy Corporation to then play Library of Ruina and to then play Limbus Company-
Yeahhhh I don't know who recommended Limbus Company to Pat but that was not the play to make lmao. Could call from a mile away that he'd have a million problems with the game without the proper context (of the game series and Project Moon as a company itself) going in.
That has literally nothing to do with anything.
Two of those games have completely different mechanics, none of the original characters show up as units he can get in Limbus and it doesn't change the fact he doesn't like the characters or stripped down tutorial systems of Ruina that end up going into the Arcsys problem of making thing easier to then add one other thing that ends up turning it way harder.
I never expected to Hear Pat talk about precum today or ever.
16:55 and that's how we fuckin like it
The only Gacha game i liked was One Piece Treasure Cruise because the combat was like a high precision Mario and Luigi: Brothers in Time.
All the content had very specific unit skill requirements if you wanted to beat it with the free to play units that you could unlock, so there was a sense of progression and earning your way forward with each unit being a tool in your arsenal.
It eventually became a grindfest and im not sure if its still doable with exclusively free to play units.
NIKKE story is really damn good, not even kidding lol xD