Really nice one! I guess everyone has its own point of view about this... for me is definitely the blend of experience and photos... I started enjoying the process of postprocessing (and editing vlogs), so I WANT to capture something and I do not want to come home emptyhanded... Like stiching the pano and waiting what PTGUI will spit out or running DBE and seeing the details for the first time on a particular image is sooo damn exciting. Interesting as I wanted to talk about the same stuff in my Mangart vlog, which you know did not happen :D.
Thanks Matej! And ofcourse, photography will always be a part of and reason for even starting the experience! For myself though, let's say I do seem to prioritise the experience more than the photo compared to before. I do agree that post processing is also always a big part of the fun! Be it video or photo.
I get your point. For me it is also the experience under the beautiful starry sky, seeing the northern lights for the first time in Norway with my girlfriend and then a day later our engagement under the beautiful northern lights, or the Milky Way in Death Valley. These are experiences that I often think back on and that still make me happy. The photos are purely a bonus to take home and share your experience with others and have something visual to look back on.
To spend time under the night sky in a clear dark night is a beautiful experience that lead us also to think, if we are not too busy to take pictures. Nice photos for the milky way.
Interesting philosophical thoughts on this video Jeroen. For me, I definitely remember the night's experiences longer than I remember any individual images I managed to capture.
Jeroen, we all go through those moments when the photos don't turn out as expected despite our dedication, but the opposite also happens when we get home and download the photos and realize that some of the photos that seemed very good in reality aren't and others that we didn't bet on sometimes turn out to be way above our expectations, just the fact ofgoing out and spending a night outside sitting in a chair or lying on the floor contemplating the cosmos, the serenity of the moment, the immersion that makes me imagine what it would be like to travel through the Cosmos, and the immensity of the Universe that makes us tiny. In the end, photos are a good complement to a good night out
I think there's truth in what you say Mario! Happy or not about the photographic 'results', if you enjoyed the experience of being out under the night sky as you just described, that's the most 'succesful' result you can get from spending your time and efforts!
I know exactly what you are going through, but I think both the photos and the experience are important. I would not just go out to enjoy the stars without taking photographs. I was always trying to get a great photo and completely forgetting to enjoy the moment and the place where I was, which made me question why I was even doing it if the photo wasnt going to be super spectacular. But then I realised how much I actually enjoy being out under the stars and that took a lot of the pressure off me. Its a hobby and it should be fun, you cant always get those bangers because the circumstances like light pollution, landscape etc wont allow it. Just don't put too much pressure on yourself, I really like your photos and it always blows my mind how this is possible in the Netherlands :D
I totally follow your thoughts Jan! Ofcourse the photos are always a part of the experience. And if they turn out well, it is great. What you say: just don't forget how special these clear nights under the stars are to really experience them 👌
It is definitely about the experience. I mean, that is the essence of your RUclips channel isn't it? If it was just about the photos, you probably would've sticked to just having an Instagram page or something. Great stuff! Keep em coming!
I´m totally with you here! Not that I have any friends to socialise with 🤣 but it´s to a very large extent about getting out there and experiencing nature and the night sky! The photos are of course nice to have but for me they are more of a diary, a way to remember those beautiful moments. And if there are not at least a few struggles while taking the photos - are they even worth anything? 😄
Outstanding! ❤ Well, my first time out last night, getting some mediocre shots of the night sky. But I truly did enjoy it. As you say, it's about being out under the skies.😃👍
Nice topic for conversation. I think the experience should go above the photograph, because that's what keeps you going. I recently shot my very first milkyway shot. It was amazing to do and to see the results. But above all I loved being under the stars. I made the shot in Finland. Here in the Netherlands I think it's even more special, because it's not a given to see so many stars because of all the light pollution. I would love to be able to share this hobby with others. I think it would make it more enjoyable because of social interaction, the oppurtunity to learn from others and probably also feeling a bit more safe than to being alone out there. All in all it would make the hobby much more durable, and good shots will come eventually.
Thanks for your thoughts Tim! Mist have been a great experience in Finland. I can attest to the fact that sharing the hobby makes it much more enjoyable and indeed 'durable' as you said.
And here I thought you would go out for th vlogs... 😅 and that the images might be a byproduct. But yeah, memories are the most important thing. I tend to encapsulate thwt into my images. But overche years I learned to embrace that state of being unhappy with my images since that is what leads to me getting better at taking them. Never settle! Great vlog!
Thank you Jan! Ofcourse the video and photos will always be a part of the motivation also. It's just that the order of importance seems to have shifted for me to experience
Love it. So much is about the experience. Getting a great image is awesome too, but the experience hits hard. Nothing better than being out under the stars. Great video as always, Jeroen. 🙌
Great video and thought Jeroen. Every photography trip encompasses adventure and experience .. but they don't all result in an image. And as you would well know. .if you add in the complexity of shooting a video whilst out there . .the parameters are widened considerably ..!!!! Great discussion my friend.
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts Richard! Also totally agree on the video side adding complexity and maybe even increasing the treshold to go out alltogether sometimes 😅. Then again, it also motivates / gives it extra purpose. All in all: as long as we keep enjoying ourselves in one way or another I think it's golden.
@@StarScaperPhoto Yes that's true . .however the burnout threshold is always hovering at the door with the ever demanding need for video content to keep things going.
I see what you mean Richard! For me it is 100% hobby, so I only go out and film when I feel inspired enough to do so (with a little bit of extra push when the previous video is too long ago ;-)). How is that for you, since my guess would be that it is something you make a living from?
I'm waiting a large fireball falling from the sky like a 5 year ago. I was in downhill and it lightened whole forest in uphill. It was like a movie scene. A very large fireball speeding behind the tree trunks. And when I say speeding I mean it was like a slowing down. Since then my camera is always ready to take a video.
Glad to see you're walking again. Love the shots! Milky Way without interesting foregrounds is boring imo. I wish I could travel far to interesting places. The dark sky part in Joshua Tree national park (California) I usually go doesn't have interesting vegetation and rock formations but that's all I got haha.
Thanks! I am not sure you could call it walking already, but it's a start 😅. Foreground wise I think these will always seem to be more interesting the further away from home they are somehow 😄
Hey, you walk like a Kieivt already! woot. Ofcourse it is about the photography, it's the memories and the images remind you about the adventure ;) edit: Whoa Martijn's Andromeda is excellent.
@@robvercouteren that it does! I'm afraid that walking without crutches for about 300 meter max at half speed isn't exactly 'almost done'... but getting there slowly and steadily 😉
@@kowalskik.1333 yeah sure! It's a device by Unihedron. I did a video about sky quality a little while ago: ruclips.net/video/Alv7xhjnZVQ/видео.htmlsi=IpW4QLEV9Quh_5m_
Thanks for watching and welcome to the channel! Editing will always remain a matter of personal preference, but also about how dark your skies are. Shots from my home country are mostly photographed in a bortle 4-5-ish zone. Those look automatically much more subdued compared to my results from a trip to a dark sky location.
As a kid I could see the milkyway. My bortle 9 yard , well. Even far from city lights it doesn't look brown. I do DSO photography, and process "artistically".
Hey, I get where you are coming from, and a couple of other youtubers I watch, Thomas Heaton and Henry Turner have asked the same question, are they just going for the photograph, or the experience of being out in nature, and they have both said when they go out for the purpose of the photograph, it stops their creative juices flowing, whereas when they go out just to enjoy the environment, it takes of the pressure of *the photograph*and enables them to take full creative advantage of their environment. The entrepreneur and life coach Peter Sage says that if you go out to achieve a goal for the end goal sake it's like chasing the illusive white rabbit, it's never enough, setting a goal should be about who you become in the process of reaching that goal. So I guess applied to photography, that would look like, what is our purpose in going out, what is our *why? * as Kristine Richer of Kristine Rose photography always says.. I guess another way of looking at it is, what are we going out to learn or experience when we go out to shoot. For me, I have recently learnt, if I go out with a big goal or lots of different ideas, to try and accomplish, it often goes wrong, I get stressed, so I've discovered if I jerp things simple, it works way better and less stressful, and I come away more peaceful, or if it does go wrong, what did I learn, or what can I do differently next time. I guess for you with your reduced mobility, it's forced you to reframe your photography adventures, because you can't quite get into the positions to get *the shot* so you've had to step back and reconsider the purpose of your adventures, and enjoying the experience of the adventure has become more of your priority rather than just getting "the shot/s*, that is the process of achieving the goal rather than the goal itself. I just went the long way around about saying *I get where you are coming from" lol
@@andysuzierawlins5462 I think what you say is totally true! As well the part of creative juices vs goals as that I had to temporarily rethink my adventures. Thanks for sharing!
For me it's usually about peeing on random bushes in the middle of the night so I can exert my dominance over the coyotes.
@@MatthewHolevinski then there's that also...
😂😂😂😂 I feel this!
Really nice one! I guess everyone has its own point of view about this... for me is definitely the blend of experience and photos... I started enjoying the process of postprocessing (and editing vlogs), so I WANT to capture something and I do not want to come home emptyhanded... Like stiching the pano and waiting what PTGUI will spit out or running DBE and seeing the details for the first time on a particular image is sooo damn exciting. Interesting as I wanted to talk about the same stuff in my Mangart vlog, which you know did not happen :D.
Thanks Matej! And ofcourse, photography will always be a part of and reason for even starting the experience! For myself though, let's say I do seem to prioritise the experience more than the photo compared to before. I do agree that post processing is also always a big part of the fun! Be it video or photo.
I get your point. For me it is also the experience under the beautiful starry sky, seeing the northern lights for the first time in Norway with my girlfriend and then a day later our engagement under the beautiful northern lights, or the Milky Way in Death Valley. These are experiences that I often think back on and that still make me happy. The photos are purely a bonus to take home and share your experience with others and have something visual to look back on.
Thanks Mark! And wow, the experience of your engagement under the Aurora and the Death Valley skies... that must have been unforgettable!
To spend time under the night sky in a clear dark night is a beautiful experience that lead us also to think, if we are not too busy to take pictures.
Nice photos for the milky way.
Amen to that. Thanks for watching!
Be ready for Comet Tsuchinshan Atlas Bro ❤
@@TechnicalAntriksh ohhh yeah 😎
Interesting philosophical thoughts on this video Jeroen. For me, I definitely remember the night's experiences longer than I remember any individual images I managed to capture.
I am ecactly the same Greg! It may also help that we both make these souvenir videos that the photos seem to become of another importance.
Jeroen, we all go through those moments when the photos don't turn out as expected despite our dedication, but the opposite also happens when we get home and download the photos and realize that some of the photos that seemed very good in reality aren't and others that we didn't bet on sometimes turn out to be way above our expectations, just the fact ofgoing out and spending a night outside sitting in a chair
or lying on the floor contemplating the cosmos, the serenity of the moment, the immersion that makes me imagine what it would be like to travel through the Cosmos, and the immensity of the Universe that makes us tiny.
In the end, photos are a good complement to a good night out
I think there's truth in what you say Mario! Happy or not about the photographic 'results', if you enjoyed the experience of being out under the night sky as you just described, that's the most 'succesful' result you can get from spending your time and efforts!
Cool photos. Heather compliments the Milky Way.
@@johncallery814 thanks John! One of the most beautiful times in my area when the heather is in bloom!
I know exactly what you are going through, but I think both the photos and the experience are important. I would not just go out to enjoy the stars without taking photographs. I was always trying to get a great photo and completely forgetting to enjoy the moment and the place where I was, which made me question why I was even doing it if the photo wasnt going to be super spectacular. But then I realised how much I actually enjoy being out under the stars and that took a lot of the pressure off me. Its a hobby and it should be fun, you cant always get those bangers because the circumstances like light pollution, landscape etc wont allow it. Just don't put too much pressure on yourself, I really like your photos and it always blows my mind how this is possible in the Netherlands :D
I totally follow your thoughts Jan! Ofcourse the photos are always a part of the experience. And if they turn out well, it is great. What you say: just don't forget how special these clear nights under the stars are to really experience them 👌
That fog looked amazing, and i agree. Sometimes the trip is the main thing. Nice photos are always a nice bonus tho 👌🏻
Thank you! The fog really lifted the scene! Photos will always be a great bonus indeed 👌
It is definitely about the experience. I mean, that is the essence of your RUclips channel isn't it? If it was just about the photos, you probably would've sticked to just having an Instagram page or something. Great stuff! Keep em coming!
Thanks! Couldn't agree more 👌.
I´m totally with you here! Not that I have any friends to socialise with 🤣 but it´s to a very large extent about getting out there and experiencing nature and the night sky! The photos are of course nice to have but for me they are more of a diary, a way to remember those beautiful moments. And if there are not at least a few struggles while taking the photos - are they even worth anything? 😄
Photos are a diary. I think you put it very well there! Thanks for watching again Martin!
Outstanding! ❤ Well, my first time out last night, getting some mediocre shots of the night sky. But I truly did enjoy it. As you say, it's about being out under the skies.😃👍
That is fantastic to hear! 😀. The pictures will follow naturally as long as you keep enjoying yourself!
Nice topic for conversation. I think the experience should go above the photograph, because that's what keeps you going. I recently shot my very first milkyway shot. It was amazing to do and to see the results. But above all I loved being under the stars. I made the shot in Finland. Here in the Netherlands I think it's even more special, because it's not a given to see so many stars because of all the light pollution.
I would love to be able to share this hobby with others. I think it would make it more enjoyable because of social interaction, the oppurtunity to learn from others and probably also feeling a bit more safe than to being alone out there. All in all it would make the hobby much more durable, and good shots will come eventually.
Thanks for your thoughts Tim! Mist have been a great experience in Finland. I can attest to the fact that sharing the hobby makes it much more enjoyable and indeed 'durable' as you said.
And here I thought you would go out for th vlogs... 😅
and that the images might be a byproduct. But yeah, memories are the most important thing. I tend to encapsulate thwt into my images. But overche years I learned to embrace that state of being unhappy with my images since that is what leads to me getting better at taking them. Never settle! Great vlog!
Thank you Jan! Ofcourse the video and photos will always be a part of the motivation also. It's just that the order of importance seems to have shifted for me to experience
Love it. So much is about the experience. Getting a great image is awesome too, but the experience hits hard. Nothing better than being out under the stars. Great video as always, Jeroen. 🙌
Thanks for watching Paul! I couldn't agree more with exactly that, love the night sky experience 👌
Great video and thought Jeroen. Every photography trip encompasses adventure and experience .. but they don't all result in an image. And as you would well know. .if you add in the complexity of shooting a video whilst out there . .the parameters are widened considerably ..!!!! Great discussion my friend.
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts Richard! Also totally agree on the video side adding complexity and maybe even increasing the treshold to go out alltogether sometimes 😅. Then again, it also motivates / gives it extra purpose. All in all: as long as we keep enjoying ourselves in one way or another I think it's golden.
@@StarScaperPhoto Yes that's true . .however the burnout threshold is always hovering at the door with the ever demanding need for video content to keep things going.
I see what you mean Richard! For me it is 100% hobby, so I only go out and film when I feel inspired enough to do so (with a little bit of extra push when the previous video is too long ago ;-)). How is that for you, since my guess would be that it is something you make a living from?
Een cadeautje op de donderdag avond, een nieuwe vlog van Jeroen! Prachtige foto’s weer! Thanx en de reis is vaak leuker dan de bestemming
Haha, leuk compliment! Waarvoor dank! 😀
I'm waiting a large fireball falling from the sky like a 5 year ago. I was in downhill and it lightened whole forest in uphill. It was like a movie scene. A very large fireball speeding behind the tree trunks. And when I say speeding I mean it was like a slowing down. Since then my camera is always ready to take a video.
Man, that sounds like an amazing experience!
Amazing as always
Thanks so much!
Awesome images, well done.
Thank you! Cheers!
Glad to see you're walking again. Love the shots! Milky Way without interesting foregrounds is boring imo. I wish I could travel far to interesting places. The dark sky part in Joshua Tree national park (California) I usually go doesn't have interesting vegetation and rock formations but that's all I got haha.
Thanks! I am not sure you could call it walking already, but it's a start 😅. Foreground wise I think these will always seem to be more interesting the further away from home they are somehow 😄
@@StarScaperPhoto At least you 're moving around on your own haha otherwise @matej.mlakar would push you around on a wheelchair.
Hey, you walk like a Kieivt already! woot. Ofcourse it is about the photography, it's the memories and the images remind you about the adventure ;)
edit: Whoa Martijn's Andromeda is excellent.
@@robvercouteren hahaha, like a Kievit it is! And this was even a month ago already! 🤪.
@@StarScaperPhoto Awesome man, almost done with it! And i liked the retrospection. Makes you meditate and think about the adventures.
@@robvercouteren that it does! I'm afraid that walking without crutches for about 300 meter max at half speed isn't exactly 'almost done'... but getting there slowly and steadily 😉
hello, can you post what is the device you measure the sky darkness?
@@kowalskik.1333 yeah sure! It's a device by Unihedron. I did a video about sky quality a little while ago: ruclips.net/video/Alv7xhjnZVQ/видео.htmlsi=IpW4QLEV9Quh_5m_
I'm glad I discovered your channel! I like the subdued editing. I find most milkyway photos too colorful. I don't see that. Mine look closer to yours.
Thanks for watching and welcome to the channel! Editing will always remain a matter of personal preference, but also about how dark your skies are. Shots from my home country are mostly photographed in a bortle 4-5-ish zone. Those look automatically much more subdued compared to my results from a trip to a dark sky location.
As a kid I could see the milkyway. My bortle 9 yard , well. Even far from city lights it doesn't look brown. I do DSO photography, and process "artistically".
Hey, I get where you are coming from, and a couple of other youtubers I watch, Thomas Heaton and Henry Turner have asked the same question, are they just going for the photograph, or the experience of being out in nature, and they have both said when they go out for the purpose of the photograph, it stops their creative juices flowing, whereas when they go out just to enjoy the environment, it takes of the pressure of *the photograph*and enables them to take full creative advantage of their environment. The entrepreneur and life coach Peter Sage says that if you go out to achieve a goal for the end goal sake it's like chasing the illusive white rabbit, it's never enough, setting a goal should be about who you become in the process of reaching that goal. So I guess applied to photography, that would look like, what is our purpose in going out, what is our *why? * as Kristine Richer of Kristine Rose photography always says.. I guess another way of looking at it is, what are we going out to learn or experience when we go out to shoot. For me, I have recently learnt, if I go out with a big goal or lots of different ideas, to try and accomplish, it often goes wrong, I get stressed, so I've discovered if I jerp things simple, it works way better and less stressful, and I come away more peaceful, or if it does go wrong, what did I learn, or what can I do differently next time. I guess for you with your reduced mobility, it's forced you to reframe your photography adventures, because you can't quite get into the positions to get *the shot* so you've had to step back and reconsider the purpose of your adventures, and enjoying the experience of the adventure has become more of your priority rather than just getting "the shot/s*, that is the process of achieving the goal rather than the goal itself.
I just went the long way around about saying *I get where you are coming from" lol
Keep things simple nont jerp, sorry for the typo
@@andysuzierawlins5462 I think what you say is totally true! As well the part of creative juices vs goals as that I had to temporarily rethink my adventures. Thanks for sharing!