Mastering FAA Ramp Inspections: Your Step-by-Step Guide
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- Опубликовано: 28 июл 2023
- In this highly informative video, we equip you with the essential know-how to confidently navigate an FAA ramp inspection. Whether you're a private pilot, commercial aviator, or part of an aviation team, understanding the FAA's ramp inspection checklist is crucial for a successful evaluation. Using the FAA Order 8900.1 as our compass, we take you through each stage of the inspection process, outlining precisely what FAA inspectors will be looking for. With this comprehensive guide at your fingertips, you can ensure your aircraft and documentation are in impeccable order, leaving no room for surprises during the inspection. Watch now and arm yourself with the knowledge to ace your next FAA ramp inspection! Don't forget to hit that like button and subscribe for more valuable aviation insights. Safe flying!
Here is the link to the document I used in this video.
drs.faa.gov/browse/excelExternalWindow/DRSDOCID127330514320230131212439.0001
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Thank you again Seth! This is great.
Informative video. Remember you need to be ready for two kinds of checks ... one by the FAA and another by law enforcement. Most likely they will both be cordial and respectful and you may choose to reciprocate and all will be well. However, do be fully prepared for a law enforcement officer with a complex. In that case know your rights, show them only what is required, and your best friend is "I do not consent to a search". Remain calm and respectful but do not be wishy-washy with them.
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Keep coming with the solid solid content! Great stuff!
Thanks for the feedback! Fresh content will be dropping weekly!
Lots of great info, well presented, very articulate, thanks!
You’re welcome!
Just wanted to thank you for posting that. I learned something. I'm getting back into flying again and want to get to the FAA website and get involved with the wings program. Thanks again.
Seth, Good Saturday Morning! 'First' view. Good show! Memphis Cheers!!!
Hey! Winner winner! Good morning to you and thank you for watching!
Spot on ... thanks for the info and video ....
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Great content, thank you and John!
You're welcome!
You are becoming one of the top aviation educators on the platform. Absolutely love this content. Reviewing your commercial material for my upcoming commercial checkride and it has been a huge help. Keep it up!
Thanks!
@SethLakeDPE passed the commercial extremely smoothly in September. Thank you again! Looking forward to a CFI oral possibly 👀?
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Great informative video Seth. As matter of fact, i received my extended registration right today. It is extended till 2029. Thank you for braking down all possible required steps during rump check. In my opinion no pilot should be afraid of the ramp check if proper maintenance and right ethics being followed regularly.
This! Absolutely nothing to be scared of. Just a simple process.
You named it right there. Forever more, it's going to be a "rump inspection."
Any chance we could have a link to the document, unable to find it on the FAA website. Great video👌
Check my latest pinned comment. I found a way to link to the original FAA document.
Very interesting video. I scanned my POH and keep it digitally in ForeFlight. My understanding is that’s acceptable. Any thoughts or experience with that?
I'm not sure about formal rules regarding a digital POH. What I would want to verify is that in addition to your POH, scanned or otherwise, you have all the required supplements. It would also be very good for you to have a copy of your TCDS which may require an FAA-authorized flight manual in addition to your POH.
@@SethLakeDPE umm. What’s a TCDS? That’s not part of the “ARROW" acronym I learned for my private check ride?! I own/fly a Cessna 182. Thanks!
@@SethLakeDPE Seth: Please check AC 91-78 and then let us know your thoughts on a digitized documents in an EFB when the aircraft is operated under Part 91. Thanks
To be sure on the flight review portion although the wings program made him look good he didn’t need it because he had a checkride that counted as a flight review already. Am I understanding that correctly?
Correct! Although he didn’t need the WINGS course he had it. The Checkride counts as a flight review and resets your 24 calendar month clock.
For pilots on basicmed, what do the inspectors want to see? Do they look at the course certificate and the exam form?
Good question. 61.113(i)(3) states you need to carry the medical examination checklist and the course completion certificate. So yes, they would probably ask for both.
Notice 8900.654 - Part 141 Ramp Inspection Guidance
I didn’t know about that. I’ll look it up, thanks!
Never had or seen a ramp check in all my years of flying. Don't know anybody that had a ramp check. What's the chances?
Depends. I've had a couple in my career. The chances are low, but everyone should be prepared and know that they aren't a big deal. From some other comments, you would think the FAA is swooping onto the ramp in a black helicopter and assaulting your plane with a SWAT team. A ramp inspection is one of the simplest forms of safety assurance the FAA has and nothing that any pilot should fear.
Should I invoke the fifth after showing my documents ?
I would suggest you be friendly and cooperative but not volunteer any more information than is requested or required. Generally speaking, the FAA is just out there doing a job and making sure we are all following the rules. If they do happen to find something that isn’t within the regulations, and it was a honest mistake on your part they will attempt to correct it with a compliance action. This won’t go on your record and will most likely be a verbal training session with a follow up email. It could potentially include some remedial training with someone like myself.
The main thing to remember is compliance is the first step. Enforcement, such as suspending our certificate or something of that sort, is reserved for those pilots who are breaking the rules on purpose or gross negligence. Unless you fall into that camp you don’t have anything to worry about.
Of course, this is my opinion and not legal advice :)
My two cents ... if it's an FAA inspector who is being cordial and respectful I would respond in kind and hand them over temporarily. If it's a law enforcement officer (especially one with a complex) we're going by the book, he or she can inspect the required docs while I hold them, and NO I do not consent to a search.
Read my earlier comments regarding never assist with an investigation beyond what is required. However, I promise you will always loose a contest of wills on the “street”. The inspection of a license, certificate etc, certainly includes taking physical possession of it. Guaranteed. There is plenty of case law as determining if something is counterfeit is a reasonable requirement. Any fight is always post event, not during. Remember, just like you don’t have to assist in an investigation, the government is under no obligation to tell you anything about what information they have regarding you. They might have plenty of PC before they start talking to you.
I was once told never hand your pilot certificate to an inspector. Hold it so they can read it but don’t let it go because they can take it from you. Do u agree?
I've heard this but don't agree with it. If the FAA wants to take their certificate they don't need you to hand it to them. I've never personally heard of an ASI doing something like this. They are just trying to do their job, not ruin your day (despite popular belief).
I do not see a link to the document
Sorry! I’ll get it uploaded later today
Would love to see the link! Good information to know and not be afraid of the ramp checks, thanks!
@@yuriys3164 Link in the pinned comments now.
Link in the pinned comments now.
Trivial documents apart, the main question is whether they can board or search the aircraft without pilot's consent. That is an extremely complicated legal question that no pilot should debate. Follow AOPA's recommendation and make those exact statements. Do not answer any questions. Do not consent or make it in any way seem like you are consenting to them boarding the plane or searching it. Do not help them unload your bags if they start doing it or ask you to do it. Always photograph their IDs. They will only get away with whatever you let them get away with. Any deviation from these principles will only make it worse for you in the long run.
I hear what your saying and appreciate the engagement. However, I would personally take a different approach. 99.9% of the time a ramp inspection is simply a ASI out there doing their job. They are not going out looking to revoke certificates and put people in legal trouble. This perception that the FAA is an organization full of people looking to crack down on the flying public just isn’t accurate. This of course is just my opinion. You seem to have a different approach and I respect that. Thanks for the interaction!
@@SethLakeDPE I do have the same opinion. The problem is that while indeed 99% of the time everything is as it should be and your attitude is completely fine and is the best course of action - there’s this 1% of the time when you are already in trouble and just don’t know it yet. In that 1% of situations your attitude leads to life-changing issues for yourself and your family. Just to be safe it is advisable to assume my attitude every time. It’s exactly the same as Terry stops; one must be willing to piss off 99 good police officers in order not to give anything extra to the bad one.
Or you could be courteous, cooperate, and be helpful. Whether I am ramped checked or not, they are out there as our ally and only safety net pre-accident to find people who are not legally permitted to fly or flying non-air worthy planes that endanger me, my family, and my community (seems like 10% of the GA accidents involve pilots without medical and/licenses).
@@thewaterengine You could. Not in your best interest though. Ask any lawyer - there's a reason why you shouldn't talk to the police.
@@SethLakeDPE I think many readers might be surprised by your reply, perhaps because of rumors they may have heard about the FAA from others. They may believe a ramp inspection is literally an attempt to identify a discrepancy, which would automatically mean legal trouble (even if fairly minor, depending on what it is, but still legal trouble). They may not understand the benefit to them of authorizing a representative of the FAA to enter their aircraft and quite literally look for technical or legal discrepancies.
I think it would be helpful if you could explain in more detail why you believe this is such a misunderstanding and why the inspection will not in fact lead to legal trouble. If someone asked me, I don't think I could provide a solid answer about that.
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Again. Fantastic video. But I say this as a full time law enforcement officer…ONLY provide an FAA inspector with the minimum documentation required, which is your certification, medical, registration, photo ID, AWC, weight and balance. Under part 91, you do not have to provide any information about your flights, previous, present or future. They have no right to touch your aircraft or inspect anything inside. You shouldn’t discuss what kind of approaches you are flying or anything else. You can be polite, respectful and professional but it’s just plain silly to let any inspector just have an unrestricted field day. Checking if your EFB is up to date? Tell them kindly to go fuck themselves. I’m a cop. My job is to literally find out what you’re doing wrong. It isn’t to be your friend. I’ll act very friendly…but make no mistake, I’m conducting an investigation. You are under no obligation to help me with that investigation other than the few required items. It can ONLY turn out worse for you. Not better. Do what you want, but if you ignore my advice let me know when you’re dealing with a ton of more shit to deal with.
Thanks for your feedback! You bring up some great points.
Also, I wasn’t trying to sound like an asshole. I think your position on safety is spot on, and I’m not advocating cutting corners or not being compliant. Like many CFIs say, the regulations have been written in blood and we all should advocate for being the safest, most professional pilots that we should be. But let’s be honest, if the FAA stopped doing ramp inspections all together, I have significant doubts it would change any safety metrics. They are a natural part of government intrusion which, although a method that we use as agents of the executive…it’s not always one that works out for the unsuspecting public.
It’s easier to be compliant, but if we don’t express our fourth amendment right against warrantless searches, that hundreds of thousands of soldiers bled, and died on battlefields for us to have, we will eventually lose it.
Are you saying a ramp inspection is a warrantless search?
@@SethLakeDPE Yes Seth, but only to the extent that you allow them to search your plane or anything they wouldn’t be allowed to search without a search warrant or without your permission. It’s very easy to say “I have nothing to hide” and to forfeit your right against a warrantless search in that instance, but if everyone taught and practiced that we don’t allow searches without warrants, then someone standing up for their normal, God-given rights, wouldn’t be seen as “stonewalling.” They do have a right to see certain documents without a warrant and I’m not saying you should resist doing this, which we all agreed to when we got our pilot certificates.
So you agree that there are some things the FAA can ask for without a warrant? That's exactly what this video was about, a legal ramp inspection. I made my opinion clear in the video and even commented on options to say no to a search and AOPA resources. If your opinion is to say no to any extra information I respect that. That is not how I operate though. I believe there are good-faith arguments to be made on both sides. Thank you for the feedback!
@@SethLakeDPE Yes and I was glad to see that you pointed out the AOPA‘s information on this. It was a great video, and I think a lot of law-abiding people like you and me give up our rights a little too easily in these situations. Myself included because it’s easier. Thumbs up 👍🏻
Never consent to a search. The safest route is to say something like: “I do not consent to a search on constitutional principle. However, I will not interfere with your actions.” Also, there are many SCOTUS opinions concerning exceptions to the warrantless searches, particularly of conveyances: plain sight, highly mobile conveyances, exigent circumstances, & within about 200 miles of US borders & border crossings.
Even if you personally have nothing to hide, you have no idea what was left in the plane (or car) by your kid’s friend, passengers, or other renters. Frequently insisting, in a congenial way, that you do not consent to a search, puts the burden of proof on the police.
However, as a condition of our FAA license, is a pilot’s regulatory obligation to submit to ramp inspections by any law enforcement officer, including the FAA. Or face an administrative hearing.
No they are violating the 4th Amendment!
What is unreasonable about a ramp inspection?
@@SethLakeDPE without probable cause it constitutes a search. The entire FAA sidesteps the separation of powers.
Flying is a privilege. As a condition of that privilege we as pilots agree to ramp checks. Don’t want to get ramp checked, don’t fly.
@@DenverMarkMac a search still requires probable cause just like in your car or home flying is no different! Our rights don't end because some unconstitutional admin says so.