Is the Earth Round and Does It Rotate?: Sheikh Al- Uthaymeen
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- Опубликовано: 11 авг 2020
- Translator: Abdullah Hylton.
The Question:
The questioner is asking: I have heard that the issue of the earth being round and that it rotates is from the affairs of creed and that there is ijtihāh in this matter. So we would like clarification in this matter?
May Allah sobhanutala give jannah to this noble sheikh barakallah fiqum
Ameen. May Allah bless you. Thank you for your comments.
May Allah have mercy on the shaykh! May Allah grant the shaykh the highest of jannas (heavens). Ameen
I am subscribing your channel ya akhi
May Allah make this channel beneficial for us all. Ameen.
May Allah have mercy on his soul.
earth is round at the edges, flat on the surface
Assalamu 'alaykum akhi. I have a question, is the Shaykh talking about earth rotation around it's axis or is he talking about earth orbit the sun?
Wa alaykum salaam. In this clip the Shaikh is specifically speaking about the rotation of the earth on its axis. Why? Because if he was speaking about it orbiting the sun he would have used the term تدور حول الشمس meaning the earth orbits around the sun. However he just says: هي تدور it rotates and there is not mention of the sun. So you have to understand the context because the word دوران، تتدور can have many meanings in the English language so you have to look at and understand the context. I.e you have to have a good understanding of Arabic, the Deen and the context of the question and the answer. Also you have to have background knowledge of the scholars statements regarding this matter and you cannot leave anything to your own interpretation. I hope that helps. And Allah knows best.
@@ahlual-thikir جزاك الله خيرا
Who is the reciter of the quran verse in the starting and end of this video?
I Don't know. But he has a nice voice right? Mashallah.
Pretty sure that is Abdul Wali Arkani
In verse 84:1 until 5 where is the earth stretched mentioned. The word this man is referring to is muddat. This word occurs so many times in Quran. And is used in the context of creation of earth before appearance of mountains also. So the earth was stretched before also. And we are already on a stretched earth? He seems to be running away from answering an important question. Note that earth is mentioned 400 + times in Quran. So it is very descriptive. And there is lot of emphasis on it. All for a good reason. Understand the greatness of earth sky and throne and thereby the greatness of the Creator
@@siebzehn5662 People in those days when quran was revealed were familiar with shapes like sphere cube (like kaaba) and others. If the earth was spherical like what they say Quran would havd explicitly stated that. But it doesnt. Rather quran emphasizes on the other features like a plain like a cradle like a floor etc. If you see the continental elevation each continent has a different elevation. So absolute flatness is not a possibility. In fact is like a plain with elevated landmass on it
0:19 text should say ijtihād
Assalamu alaykum,
Akhi is it true that there was an ijma’a among the salaf that the Earth was flat?
Wa alaykum salaam.
I have never come across anything that says there is an Ijma'a among the Salaf regarding the earth being flat.
I have heard that some of the Salaf of the past did hold this opinion. However most, if not all of the present day scholars hold the opinion that the earth is round, as you have seen from the clip above.
And Allah knows best.
Thanks for watching.
Shaykh al Islam ibn Taymiyyah said that it is from the ijmaa of scholars and the salaf that the earth is round
So then you should read about it in the tafasir of the imams
Qurtubi
Baghawi
Baghdadi
Attiyah
Jalalayn
Abi hatim
Who say the earth is FLAT and stationary.
And some of them also wrote against the shape of a sphere and wrote the flat earth is Ijma. May allah Guide us all, amin.
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@@yaseminkoyunlu642Then you should also read,
Ibn Hazm says:
The evidences from the Qur’an and Sunnah state that the earth is spherical as the Qur’an states: ‘He wraps the night over the day and wraps the day over the night’; it is very obvious from this that the earth wraps over itself.
Al-Razi also said:
The earth is spherical; thus we can find people experience morning at a time, while others experience noon, yet others experience the time of sunrise, and others experience night all at the same time.
Many scholars quoted the consensus of the Muslim scholars on this issue.
Ibn Hazm says:
No one from the Muslim scholars, who really deserve this honor of being a scholar, has denied that the earth is spherical.
Al-Qurtubi thought it's flat because he didn't understand the verse very well.
al-Razi says:
If they say that spreading out of the earth is against it being sphere, we would answer that this is not true since the earth is extremely big, and if the sphere was massive, one would call each small part as a flat part which does not imply that the whole body is flat.
IbnTaimiyah: "Muslim scholars' unanimity said that. We are not talking about individuals and we are talking
about Imams of Islam; like Abu Al-Husien Ahmad bin Ja'far bin Al-Munadi. The unanimity was said by
Muhammad bin Hazm, Abu Al-Faraj bin Al-Jouzi. Scholars have mentioned that in the well-known chain of
narrators in which Prophet's companions and followers are known for. They said that, depending on what is in
the Holy Qur'an and in the Sunnah, and elaborated in it by mentioning pieces of evidence transferred from one
generation to another. Moreover, there have been mathematical evidences. And I have not heard any of the wellknown scholars denying that. I have never heard anyone saying that the Earth is flat except for those who are
ignorant."
Isn't there a different opinion of the Shape of the Earth? The Difference Opinion is that is Round which is supported by Shaykh Al Islam, Abd Aziz Ibn Baaz, Ibn Hazm and Ibn Uthaymeen and I heard some Scholars took that is flat.
I think so like obsly there were some scholars who said it's flat but at the same time said it doesn't violate any pillars of Islam's if one said it's round but obsly the earth is accepted beyond doubt that it's spherical any knowing that Saudi Arabia and many are Islamic countries are lunching satellites like Egypt this week there isn't any more room for doubt
AsSalamu alaikum
I’ve had trouble recounciling the idea that the earth is round with the fact that there are 7 heavens mentioned in the Quran and sunnah and that Allah swt is above the heavens. I had lots of doubts like: “How can he be above while people on the earth are on different sides of the earth and what is ‘above’ our heads isn’t always the same direction for everyone.
Wa alaykum salaam. The fact you are experiencing doubts is a serious matter. May Allah protect us all from having doubts in our religion and creed. But with that said, the fact that a person's head is upside down does not negate the fact that something is above him or her. For example if a person was to stand on his head in his home this would not change the fact the roof of the house and the upper floors of the building are above him. If the person is lying on his bed the roof is still above his head. Thus the same is said about Allah being above his creation. No matter what position the person's head may be Allah is above him.
@@ahlual-thikir jazakAllahu khayran
Wa alaikumasalaam, May Allah grant you ease and steadfastness
If I grab a ball with my hand, then for any point on this ball, the part of my hand that touches that point is above it. If the earth is round, then there is no reason to think that there is a contradiction in the texts because the fact that Allah is always above His creation means that where-ever you are on Earth, Allah is directly above you, meaning that He is above those in the Uk and Australia at the same time, likewise how the crust of the Earth is above the molten underneath it at all points. This is not that I am suggesting the earth is definitely round as there is ikhtilaf but just to demonstrate there is no contradiction here. Hope this helps.
Imagine the Whole universe Not just the earth.. You'll realise that Allah Is above the Known universe and that which is unknown...
وعليكم السلام
The Earth is round and it also rotates
Prove that it rotates please
@@SaidB1nthe stars motion, Foucault's pendulum, moon's orbit and sun appearance from earth and simply day/night cycle considering sun is fixed (I think that one is in the Coran or something)
@@plamaoverstrike oh oh oh, think carefully about general relativity. Relative motion doesn't say anything about absolute motion! There is an equivalent system where the Earth is stationary, non rotating, that perfectly explains the motion of the Sun and moon etc. So this is no proof at all.
So literally all scientists rely upon the gyroscope being accurate enough to detect Earth's supposed precession, and not influenced by the many non-inertial forces present on Earth.
To conclude, believe what you want but it shouldn't be taught to kids as if this is the absolute clear truth with overwhelming proofs. There are no solid proofs.
(to add: from Islamic texts one can derive that the Sun orbits the Earth. One can also derive that the Earth is spherical. It hoewever isn't clear about independent rotation of the Earth afaik, though the day/night cycle is caused by Sun orbiting Earth. This also agrees with our basic senses, we see the sun moving over a still Earth.)
@@SaidB1n I'm not saying the stationary earth is physically impossible, but that would imply a lot of counterintuitive physical laws. For example, when you stand at the poles, the stars are all perfectly rotating around the point above you. When you stand at the equator, the sun is perfectly moving from east to west.
There's also the planets, if you take a picture every night at the same time you can see their motion from earth point of view and they describe a very weird motion, I invite you to see.
In the stationary earth model, you would need every of these elements to work on their own, and they all, for some reason, perfectly match with the heliocentric model that only uses gravity to explain absolutely every observation from earth.
Unlike you, I prefer to rely on scientific explanation that makes more sense in the world we live in, I don't believe anything an old book says. However, I have a friend that believes in the Koran as well but claims that it states the Koran predicted that the sun was stationary. If the book is subject to that many interpretation no matter the faith, I give it less credit than the whole science community that provided us with orbiting satellites taking into account your general relativity for GPS using light properties.
I've debated the subject for a while, if you want more solid evidences feel free to ask
@@plamaoverstrike I don't believe in an old book an sich, I believe that the creation has a creator, this creator has put in dynamical systems that led to what we see around us now, and this same creator told us something about His system.
You believe in science which has changed its ideas several times now for the last century. Going from ellipses, to gravitational forces, to space-time curvature.. What's next? If you notice, you base your belief on mathematical models invented by humans and then conclude that pictures make sense according to this model, and less sense according to another model. The premise in all these "pseudo" sciences is the mathematical model that is deemed to be absolutely true.
So in conclusion, there is absolutely no proof that the Earth orbits the Sun at all, except when premises are taken into account. I could bring other premises that would deem my believe more plausible.
(to add, your friend is unfortunately wrong, the Quran doesn't indicate at all that the Sun is stationary. But for sake of argument, if there is anything open to interpretation, then it is science...)
Akhi I saw a video of Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen saying the opposite (ruclips.net/video/XnJzrBS8qiM/видео.html) and also this video as well. Which one is correct/latest?
Where's the video you are speaking about? Please send me the link so I can see what he said.
@@ahlual-thikir sure, here ruclips.net/video/XnJzrBS8qiM/видео.html
Do you speak and understand Arabic?
@@ahlual-thikir yes akhi, although I’m still a beginner learning it, I come to that conclusion because I heard him say الارض هي مركذ، والشمس تدور عليه
Okay, so where is the opposing speech
I don't get it, if the sun is fixed for the Coran it necessarily means the earth rotates to have day/night cycle, why don't you get to that conclusion ?
You did not get what the scholar said
We believe in geocentrism
@@poltergeist4044 that's what I said, why do you guys have to argue whether the earth is round ?
@@plamaoverstrike who argued over the shape of the earth?
All muslims believe that earth is round lol
@@poltergeist4044 yeah so since it's common knowledge why do you have to be sceptical about earth rotating ? Day/night wouldn't make sense if it wasn't the case
My thing about round earth 1h ago is a mistake I mixed two argues, I meant stationary earth
I heard from shekh albani that earth orbits around the sun
Do you have a Link or any verification beloved brother?
Do you have the audio for this? I would like to heart it.
@@abasbashir852 ruclips.net/video/ZvqZpqg4fCQ/видео.html
@@ahlual-thikir akhi, is it ok to stick on shekh albani's stance regarding this matter
@@t___3686 My brother Sheikh Al-Albani is a great islamic scholar. But he is susceptible to mistakes just like any other human being. Allah the Exalted says in the Quran:
"The sun travels for its fixed term. That is the design of the Almighty, All-Knowing.
As for the moon, We have ordained ˹precise˺ phases for it, until it ends up like an old, curved palm stalk."
Meaning at the beginning and the end of the month.
"It is not for the sun to catch up with the moon, nor does the night outrun the day. Each is travelling in an orbit of their own."
If you take the time and read the explanation of the verse by at-Tabari you will find that he mentions that this refers to the orbiting and rotation of the sun, moon and the stars.
Go have a look.
Also, where can the speech of the Sheikh be found? We have to first establish that the Sheikh did actually make such a statement. And if he did it does not mean he is correct.
Another thing is if you don't know which opinion is correct it is okay for you to say I don't know and not take any stance until the matter becomes clear to you.
Knowing whether the sun orbits the earth or the earth orbits the sun is not going to being the thing that gets you into paradise.
There are much more important matters that the Muslims needs to be aware of and know.
May Allah guide us to that which is correct and pleasing to him.
So then you should read about it in the tafasir of the imams
Qurtubi
Baghawi
Baghdadi
Attiyah
Jalalayn
Abi hatim
Who say the earth is FLAT and stationary.
And some of them also wrote against the shape of a sphere and wrote the flat earth is Ijma. May allah Guide us all, amin.
Then you should also read,
Ibn Hazm says:
The evidences from the Qur’an and Sunnah state that the earth is spherical as the Qur’an states: ‘He wraps the night over the day and wraps the day over the night’; it is very obvious from this that the earth wraps over itself.
Al-Razi also said:
The earth is spherical; thus we can find people experience morning at a time, while others experience noon, yet others experience the time of sunrise, and others experience night all at the same time.
Many scholars quoted the consensus of the Muslim scholars on this issue.
Ibn Hazm says:
No one from the Muslim scholars, who really deserve this honor of being a scholar, has denied that the earth is spherical.
Al-Qurtubi thought it's flat because he didn't understand the verse very well.
al-Razi says:
If they say that spreading out of the earth is against it being sphere, we would answer that this is not true since the earth is extremely big, and if the sphere was massive, one would call each small part as a flat part which does not imply that the whole body is flat.
Ibn Hazm says:
The evidences from the Qur’an and Sunnah state that the earth is spherical as the Qur’an states: ‘He wraps the night over the day and wraps the day over the night’; it is very obvious from this that the earth wraps over itself.
Al-Razi also said:
The earth is spherical; thus we can find people experience morning at a time, while others experience noon, yet others experience the time of sunrise, and others experience night all at the same time.
Many scholars quoted the consensus of the Muslim scholars on this issue.
Ibn Hazm says:
No one from the Muslim scholars, who really deserve this honor of being a scholar, has denied that the earth is spherical.
Al-Qurtubi thought it's flat because he didn't understand the verse very well.
al-Razi says:
If they say that spreading out of the earth is against it being sphere, we would answer that this is not true since the earth is extremely big, and if the sphere was massive, one would call each small part as a flat part which does not imply that the whole body is flat.
@@mdashekerabbi8308brother from where you got this knowledge please tell me books of these scientists i know about them but i dont have thier books please tell me
@@reverted_ZafarHeretic I think if you go on islamqa's article regarding this you'll find which book it's from
@@wayofthesunnah thanks brother JazakAllhu khairan
The Scholars of Astronomy and science can prove that the earth rotates. This is elementary school. Couldnt this cause the Muslims to seem ignorant in science. Respectfully
Beloved brother in Islam, who’s speech takes precedence those Scholars or Allah and His Prophet’s Sallahu alayhi wa Salam? May Allah bless you.
@@abasbashir852Yeah you're right Akhi. Astagfirallah. I was NOT questioning Allah's speech. But the translation there of. "Ittilaf"
@@abasbashir852 It's a hard pill to swallow. I studied Astronomy in the university. Just to think we've been wrong all along.
@@abx6539 barakallahu feek yes Alhamdulilah this all what Allah azza wa jal has willed. May Allah cause us to accept the truth wherever it is and protect us from falsehood and it’s people. Yes they teach such things in public school and the like and it has become deep engrained in to the people but I am not aware of this being a legitimate excuse before Allah to deny the truth. May Allah increase our reward and give us hidayah. Indeed hardship in worship increases the reward as the true rabbani ulama have stated wal hamdulilah.
@@abx6539 If you are old enough brother of mine in islam, you would have known that the sun having its own axis was just barely discovered less than 40 years ago. The west believed in a stationary sun while clearly the Quran mentions the sun having its own orbit. That being said, Before 1924, there was IJMAA with the scientists that the universe was eternal. All the science we had in 1850-1950, approx 99% of it has been thrown in the garbage. But what never changes is the Quran and sunnah, yet we see it being correct time to time.
My point being, science changes, and 99% of our science today, will be thrown in the garbage 100-200years from now. If the quran doesn't mention anything regarding it, then you are free to believe one or the other, or do tafweedh on the position.
The quran didn't come to make you convinced with scientifical statements, rather it came to guide you and give you a blessed life in the dunya and the hereafter. Give yourself a break akhi from all of this science stuff. The Quran will prove itself even more as time goes.
Flat Earther❤️