Asalam Aleikum umma, **urgent** - I bring to your attention to watch this video and bring attention to the masses esp. in subcontinent, deceived by a dajjal in the ummah : view : **IMRAN HOSEIN: " UYGHURS ARE ZIONIST PROPAGANDA AND WARRIORS OF DAJJAL."** view : **Imran Hosein claims Prophet did NOT explain Qur'an & HE will explain from Knowledge & Insight** view : **The Creep Imran Hosein Rejects What Is Clear In The Qur’ān!** (regarding Jesus) view : **The Creepy Imran Hosein Supports Vladimir Putin In His Massacre of Syrian Muslims**
keep in mind imran n. hosein consistently supports pagans and lies on Muslims. He lied that Saudi rebelled on Turks who were divided by sufi bida when it was Jordan, sided w/ Russia over Turkey, claims to b anti Zl0Nist but aids pagan 12er iran's 79 cia revolt, led by khomeini who said there is a new Quran in end times with shi'a mehdi matching dajjal, iran the original jet bombers follow fayruz & took in exiled al queda, to be israelis ally who lost sinai to Sunnis, shi'a agents like chalabi lied on iraq and left arm for isil, he supported Assad who secretly worked with isil to oppose his ppl, he supports india and china against uighur Muslims... acts speak louder then taqiya words! view : **Saudi Arabian Foreign Minister Rips Apart The Raafidhi MaJEWsi Iranian Foreign Minister**
@U . F . O only this interpretation makes sense! Cause according to hadith and quran Throne of allah above the 7 Heaven!according to Quran sun has orbit!it can't move from It's orbit! So connect both don’t be blind fool!!
@U . F . O Unidentified Failing Object, for it to be a reinterpretation, it would have to be interpreted contrarily by the first generation. That's not established.
I'm so happy for you explaining this issue that makes muslims leav islam and made me rethink islam and didn't sleep for research that because many x muslims and atheists say that it is a mistake in purana
Thank you bro. May Allah keep your iman strong and help you to continue to guide the Muslims. Every time there is a criticism like this of Islam it’s always people who don’t understand the nature, circumstance, and even the language (which are the laziest of the refutations 🙄), of what the Quranic text and Sunnah say. Thank you for the informative videos again!
@Sage have you gone for a book review? Ya you find the author explain something which is not in the book just like that allah explain some things to us which is not in the quran but that doesnt mean quran is not perfect your argument is flawed
@Sage hadith is like commentary on Qur'an. It helps us understand the meaning deeply and correctly. It's that simple. If that doesn't convince you I don't know what will
I'm glad to see that you've explained it exactly the same way I explained it to someone in your previous video in the comment section, especially the part where the sun appears from its place of setting due to the motion of the earth and so on.
Verses 17:44-45 pretty much sums up all of this, Allah states in the quran: *{The seven heavens and the earth and whatever is in them exalt Him. And there is not a thing except that it exalts [Allah] by His praise, but you do not understand their [way of] exalting. Indeed, He is ever Forbearing1 and Forgiving. ¤ We have cast veils over their hearts-leaving them unable to comprehend it-and deafness in their ears. And when you mention your Lord alone in the Quran, they turn their backs in aversion.}*
So you are saying that Muhammad was a idiot for saying that, he didn’t know, but what can he do, that’s how he saw it from that distance. You need to put word into your false prophets mouth
@@thecrow6388 No, his point was the Prophet (ﷺ) asked him (i.e Abu Dharr) where it goes. If the Quran were understood that way the companions wouldve simply answered with that. So that is not a conjecture, rather I'd say that is an obvious observation. As for the 2nd one, also not what he said. He said that could be the significance behind the REPORT, the HADITH, behind the Prophet (ﷺ) mentioning such a thing in the first place. Although Ill grant that we cannot know that this is certainly the case. However, neither of those 2 things are the main point of the video lol, those were just 2 points on the side. So how can you say he is ONLY speaking rubbish? The main point was to explain how the hadith is not meant to be taken literally, and that the other interpretation of the earth being flat and the sun going under it at night is flawed. Which is what he did.
أيضا سمعت الشيخ زين خير الله من أيام قليلة يرد على هذه الشبهه فقال أن معنى السجود لغتًا هو الخضوع وقال أيضا أن جميع المخلوقات تحت العرش فمن الواضح أنها ستسجد تحت العرش
Prostate=WORSHIP=following Allah's law. 'Under' is our perception. Pagans of old believed the sun god died when it disappeared and doubted it will return(rebirth of sun/son). But Allah is letting us and pagans know when it disappears in places like northern Europe that its his law the sun is following.when it follows it is worshipping Allah and it is not dead but prostrating (lowest point for human and in this context the lowest point of sun,which is night from our perspective). Allah knows best
The fact your comment may not get as many likes as others is the problem with some of our brothers and sisters. May Allah guide them to this understanding which you have. Ameen.
The leg of a human is different than the leg of a horse, it's just a common sense, so after using our brains we can come to the conclusion that the way the sun prostrate is different than humans. issue is solved just by being honest
This went above and beyond. The fact that this narration is after kahaf shows neither prophet (saw) nor sahabis used the verse to explain the question of sun setting. The prophet (saw) didn't paraphrase the verse from kahaf nor quote it to answer it. Thus this Aya wasn't taken to mean Dulqarnayn saw the sun sitting in murky water ergo Quran says Sun sets on murky water, by the sahabas.
@@furqanshariff Surah kahaf is makki Surah it came as a response to questions by makkan pagans. The hadith is coming from when the prophet saw and others are sitting in the masjid of prophet IE masjid nabwi IE after hijrah so obviously kahaf precedes the hadith
This hadith suddenly came into my mind yesterday and I was pondering on what could this mean. The video coudn't come at a time better than this. Also your explanation is uniqe and rational.
Verses 17:44-45 pretty much sums up all of this, Allah states in the quran: *{The seven heavens and the earth and whatever is in them exalt Him. And there is not a thing except that it exalts [Allah] by His praise, but you do not understand their [way of] exalting. Indeed, He is ever Forbearing1 and Forgiving. ¤ We have cast veils over their hearts-leaving them unable to comprehend it-and deafness in their ears. And when you mention your Lord alone in the Quran, they turn their backs in aversion.}*
The prostration of trees and Sun is how I always took to be as, Allah(swt) has set the balance of what is and everything on earth and within the universe runs its course by the strength and might of all mighty Allah. Therefore everything obeys Allah, this is worship and essentially submitting/prostrating
@@bengreen171 Hello Ben, hope all is well. It doesn't mean physically prostrate. Allah has set the balance to allow life to exist and they exist and evolve according to God's will. Al Bari is one of Gods attributes and it literally means the evolver. Anyhow, everything submits to Allah's will. Even you... because you cannot decide to not drink or eat or to not breathe. We all submit to the will of Allah by how he ordained life to be lived. You didn't choose your race, where you were born or your parents. You have little choice over anything. You fall for the desire of lusting for women, something innately built into you without your permission. We all submit to the will of God, only difference Muslims submit willingly.
@@shahid8545 I'm fine thanks - and you? We can decide not to eat or drink. People fo it all the time/. Usually only for short periods, but some peoiple have been known to go on hunger strike and some have even died doing it. Your notiong that the fact we don't choose our race has something to do with submission to god is unsupported. And my main point is that these 'fine' and grandoise words about prostration etc are meaningless. What does it mean to say hte trees prostrate themselves. How does this happen. You cannot give a cgent answer.
The Quran actually mentions how things prostrate through their shadows when their shadows stretch out and bow down on the floor. This occurs twice a day when shadows are the longest in the early morning and late afternoon/early evening when the sun is low in the sky. SubhanAllahil Azeem! This is actually mentioned in Surah Nahl verse 48: "Have they not considered what things Allāh has created? Their shadows incline to the right and to the left, prostrating to Allāh, while they [i.e., those creations] are humble." So mountains and trees prostrate twice a day when their shadows stretch out on the floor in the early morning and early evening (Asr). Another interesting fact is that the 2 most important Salahs are Fajr and Asr and that Musa AS ummah had only 2 salahs 2 pray; Fajr & Asar.
Humans need revelations from Allah to be guided because Allah created human with faculties of intellect and freedom, everything else is submitted to Allah by its natural inclination like the Sun and alike. Allah guidance to humans is Islam part of it implementing Sharia, in Arabic means the righteous path. Islam literal meaning is Submission [to God]" and considers everything in the world is Muslim, that follows the path that is set by Allah:"The seven heavens and the earth and whatever is in them exalt Him. And there is not a thing except that it exalts [Allah] by His praise, but you do not understand their [way of] exalting. Indeed, He is ever Forbearing and Forgiving." [Quran 17:44] Everything like trees, oceans, earth, galaxy .. etc follows the causality principle because Allah is fair and just in making this world understandable to us. Since Allah empowers human with intellect and freedom, Allah wants human to see Allah's signs to believe and also to make human deduces laws, so human can exploit it to fulfill his role in Earth as the Quran said: "Is He [not best] who responds to the desperate one when he calls upon Him and removes evil and makes you inheritors of the earth? Is there a deity with Allah? Little do you remember." [Quran 6:62]
@@mohammad.alkurdi. the earth is like a spinning top So please forgive me for my previous.explanation didn’t make myself clear And Allah alone knows all and Allah alone knows best HasbunAllahu wa Ni’mal Wakeel
brother farid....doing great job...keep this doing...we need more like these...I am very much benefitted from your video...whenever I see any atheist/nonmuslim claim against islam, i remember there must be an explanation!!that's it. keep doing this..we expect more from u❤❤
A few other things to note; This "permission to rise" cannot be related to what is perceived as sunrise. Because this "rising" happens from the same place where permission was asked. Trying to argue for the opposite implies that sunrise must happen from the same place as sunset, which is absurd. It says this "rising" occurs after prostration underneath the throne. It is rising from prostration, not rising from sunset. Among several views reported by ibn Kathir, is that prostration of the sun is at midnight. Even this medieval geocentric view does not connect the sun's prostration to sunset, which happens much earlier than midnight. Further, the hadith is unrelated to Dhul Qarnayn's story. It is a comment on verse 38 of sura yasin, which is a verse about the day of resurrection. It speaks of the sun "running", which fits the sun's movement across the galaxy, as noted in the video. The word denotes rapid movement contrary to the perceived motion of the sun during the day. The sun is "running", perpetually to its place of rest, its end point. During that perpetual course, it prostrates underneath the all encompassing divine throne. The hadith then describes apocalyptic events. It tells us what will happen when that time comes. When it reaches its decreed end, the sun will be in a state of prostration, but that prostration will be rejected. Neither will it be allowed to rise from prostration. Instead, it will be told to revert to where it came from prior to its prostration. That sudden change in course will make it appear to be rising from where it set.
I love the fact that you guys keep trying. You want 3+7 to be 11. It always comes 10 but you don’t give up. You keep trying in different ways. Sometimes with red pen, sometimes with blue pen. Sometimes you use calculator, sometimes you use abacus. Then you try with beads. Then you say if things you are counting are very very big, then the sum is 11. Then you say if you add at peak of Ramadan fast and if you are not hungry you will get 11. You are able to convince so many people that you feel encouraged. You just know it is 11. You know you were promised 72 hoors and you are going to make sure you get them. So much has been invested into getting them 72. So many evil Murtads and Kaafirs have been sent to hell in the belief that it is 11. So many madarssa jobs, so many hafiz’s careers are at stake. National identities are at stake. Economies are at stake. It surely is 11. It has to be. You will kill anyone who calls it 10. Yes you will. And you will speak louder and you will get more people to shout about it. Eventually the dissent will die of boredom. Or, due to jihaad. 50 years later, same cycle will repeat. 3+7 = 11
Those Christians who sarcastically wonder how the star, the trees and the sun can prostrate! And the answer is as the planets and the sun prostrated to Joseph in your Holy Book Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. “Listen,” he said, “I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me.” Genesis 37:9
@@twoangels3405 in the biblical story the prostrating stars were meant ti represent his brothers who would one day bow before him begging for food. Personally I see star, trees, and sun "prostrating" as a metaphor for being in complete submission to Allah SWT. Humans (edit - and Jinn) have free will and the choice to submit to or go against the will of Allah. Other animals, and inanimate objects do not have that choice and are hence always "prostrating” to Allah SWT. Thats how I see it but Allah knows best
That is what I've been saying. The Arabs are poets. they eat poems for living. of course they will speak like that. if you take that as literal and scientific, you will have a very hard time in your life. So desperate.. smh🤦♂️
Understanding Islamic Creeds provides a good understanding of the Quran and Hadith. Allah is all powerful that anything mentioned in the Quran regarding its willing has to be qualified with expressions indicate Allah omnipresence and almighty, nothing ever happens in the universe unless He wants so, Allah said: "And He has subjected for you [Human] the night and day and the sun and moon, and the stars are subjected by His [Allah] command. Indeed in that are signs for a people who reason." [Quran 16:12] Humans need revelations from Allah to be guided because Allah creates each human with faculties of intellect and freedom, everything else is submitted to Allah by its natural inclination like the Sun and alike. Allah guidance to humans is Islam part of it implementing Sharia Law, in Arabic means the righteous path. Islam literal meaning is Submission [to God]" and considers everything, non-human, in the world as a Muslim from this perspective, that follows the path that is set by Allah as he said:"The seven heavens and the earth and whatever is in them exalt Him. And there is not a thing except that it exalts [Allah] by His praise, but you do not understand their [way of] exalting. Indeed, He is ever Forbearing and Forgiving." [Quran 17:44] Everything like trees, oceans, earth, galaxies .. etc follows the causality principle because Allah is fair and just in making this world understandable to us. Since Allah empowers humans with intellect and freedom, Allah wants humans to put efforts to believe, not blindly, by seeing Allah's signs: "We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. But is it not sufficient concerning your Lord that He is, over all things, a Witness?" [Quran 41:53] . Allah gives the human the capability to observe and deduce laws, so humans can exploit it to fulfill his role in Earth as the Quran said: "Is He [not best] who responds to the desperate one when he calls upon Him and removes evil and makes you inheritors of the earth? Is there a deity with Allah? Little do you remember." [Quran 6:62], "And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority." They said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?" Allah said, "Indeed, I know that which you do not know." [Quran 2:30]
As Selamu Aleykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh. BarakAllahu fiek Akhi. Very good Video. But i will ad something. The Hadith is not only in Buhari, it is also in Muslim. And the interesting point this part: " لاَ يَسْتَنْكِرُ النَّاسُ مِنْهَا شَيْئًا " : It is narrated on the authority of Abu Dharr that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) one day said: Do you know where the sun goes? They replied: Allah and His Apostle know best. He (the Holy Prophet) observed: Verily it (the sun) glides till it reaches its resting place under the Throne. Then it falls prostrate and remains there until it is asked: Rise up and go to the place whence you came, and it goes back and continues emerging out from its rising place and then glides till it reaches its place of rest under the Throne and falls prostrate and remains in that state until it is asked: Rise up and return to the place whence you came, and it returns and emerges out from it rising place and the it glides (in such a normal way) \>\>\> that the people do not discern anything ( unusual in it)
The Christian missionaries and also the Athiests like to quote this Hadith to make fun and mock about it towards us Muslims. Actually they like to quote the version of the Hadith from Abu Dawud, that says that the sun sets in a spring of warm water. But according to the scholars the Hadith in Abu Dawud in his last sentence that talks about the sun sets in a spring of warm water is not authentic. And that's why we prefer and accept the version of the Hadith from Sahih al Bukhari above the one in Abu Dawud.
@@boriserjavec6470 When we look into a Hadith we examen the Isnad, and also the Matn. And the Hadith from Abu Dawud is according to some scholars strong in it's Isnad, but weak in it's Matn, Especialy the last sentence of the Hadith. Others scholars disagree about the Isnad that it is trustworthy and say that the version from Abu Dawud was narrated only by al-Hakam ibn ‘Utaybah from Ibraahem, and al-Hakam, although he was trustworthy, he was described by an-Nasaa’i as mudallis. (he used vague wording to give a wrong impression). Ibn Hibbaan said: He used to engage in tadlees. None of those who narrated his hadeeth said that he clearly stated that he heard it from the previous narrator; rather they all said that his report included the word ‘an (from instead of ‘I heard’, etc). Also Ibn Kathir is of the opinion that the Hadith that speaks about the sun setting in a pring of warm water is problamatic.
@@StevTheBevNaffNeffNor Then you tell us where you come from. And please don't say from apes and monkey's because that's ridiculous, unfounded and a atavistic belief.
@@alyunanie as an outside looking in, looks like yall jumped a shite ton of hoops just to get this specific chain as inauthentic. It's pretty cool honestly. Maybe one day I'll read up but until then I'll just be lurking in the shadows.
It's very simple to know the nature of prostration. That's just the law of nature like fusion, fission and law of physics in general. Although that imply Sun is always asking for permission to prostate and that is consistent with law of nature always always existing.
Verses 17:44-45 pretty much sums up all of this, Allah states in the quran: *{The seven heavens and the earth and whatever is in them exalt Him. And there is not a thing except that it exalts [Allah] by His praise, but you do not understand their [way of] exalting. Indeed, He is ever Forbearing1 and Forgiving. ¤ We have cast veils over their hearts-leaving them unable to comprehend it-and deafness in their ears. And when you mention your Lord alone in the Quran, they turn their backs in aversion.}*
Damn, that’s messed up. So you’re saying that Allah seals the hearts of the disbeliever and makes them deaf but they then still get punished for their disbelief. That’s 100% fair and just. /s
@@lianabu7622 Allah/God sees the hearts and misguides those who's hearts are corrupted by satan. But those who's hearts are pure and seek knowledge, those whom Allah/God guides tewords islam. Because God/Allah does not accept bad and corrupt humans in his religion, so they get misguided away from islam, thus they leave islam. Except for those who repent. That's why in the end of the verse it states that it's because when you mention your Lord alone in the quran (THEY TURN BACK) And you completely missed the point of why I quoted this verse. And I think you're the BEST EXAMPLE HERE that proves the last part of these verses are true.
@@ayhemshaban9745 Someone who has questions about Islam and doesn’t find the answers convincing is because they were corrupted by Satan? And instead of guiding the misguided, he proceeds to misguide them by veiling their hearts and making them deaf to the truth, which basically means he’s helping Satan? That definitely makes sense and isn’t counterintuitive at all. /s
@@lianabu7622 Why won't someone find the answers in islam? They would if they actually look hard enough or go to their nearest Imam or student of knowledge. It's a mistake on their part for not looking hard enough.. because every question in islam can be answered... But for those who don't have the ability to get to answers.. (let's assume the Internet didn't exist), they will be regarded as the one of the ignorant (of islam) that Allah/God will pardon. And Dont try twisting my words. If allah/God we're ot guide and misguide as he pleases.. then this isn't fear and just. Allah/God only misguides those who choose to be bad and commit awful deeds while also having corrupt hearts.. If Allah/God guided such people to islam, the what does that mean? It means that bad/doubtful people will exist among the Muslims. God guides and misguides DEPENDS on what we do and posses in our heart. God give us free will and two path, and depending on the result of our tests, he will guides/misguides us. Nothing bad or good happens to someone unless The God allowed for it to happen. God tests people in all ways, wither with wealth, or with poverty.. and depending on the results he will judge us all fairly in judgement day. As the quran stats: (Not a single creature will be wronged on that day), even animals and insects will get their justice.
@@ayhemshaban9745 Doubt is good. Doubt leads to solving issues. Doubtful people lead to truth. Don’t say Islam can answer every question in one breath if you’re going to say Islam doesn’t want doubtful people in the next. Everyone in science is doubtful until convinced. Scientists work to disprove their ideas and if they cannot, they will take that idea. Islam doesn’t do that. People who doubt Islam are told that Shaytan caused them to doubt. Allah creates us and knows what we will do before he does. He creates our environments and our influences which then shape our implicit biases and perceptions. Allah chooses whether we are gullible or stubborn. Allah creates our brains and it’s abilities to perceive knowledge. Despite all of these constraints on our thinking, Allah gives us free will. If I don’t believe, why is it my fault when I have no control over these? No one is born bad but their environment and their influences make them perceived as bad. Murderers are affected by mental health issues caused by their environment and what influenced them (for example: childhood trauma). No one disbelieves because they chose to. No one truly believes because they chose to. They believe or disbelieve because they were convinced. If you believe while not being convinced, you’re just lying to yourself. No disbeliever will ever tell you that they are convinced but they chose to disbelieve. No disbeliever will willing go to hell while believing it exists. That type of Kafir only exists as stories like Fir’oon (Pharoh) and Abu Lahab. A believing disbeliever makes no sense. Since Allah creates all of these factors, how is it fair for someone to be judged for their inability to believe when Allah ultimately decides everything they are, based on the factors I mentioned above? That’s why I don’t believe that it’s fair to punish someone eternally for such an unfair test.
If the seven heavens are under the throne of Allah already. Than why did prophet Muhammad asked his companion that: "Do you know where the sun goes at sunset?!"..."it goes underneath the throne of Allah and asks for permission to rise up again. And a day will come where it will not be given permission and it will be said to it (sun) that go back where it came from. And that is when the sun will rise from the West". And in another hadith prophet Muhammad says that: "Do not perform prayers when the sun rises and when it sets. For, the sun rises between the two horns of the devil and sets between the two horns of the devil". The other variant of the same sahih hadith says that: "Satan goes and stands in front of a sun at the times of sunset and sunrise to imitate God. So that's why don't pray at these times". The only problem is that the sun is CONSTANTLY "rising and setting" SIMULTANEOUSLY on someone somewhere. These 2 above mentioned hadiths can only be true on a Geocentric Flat Earth model. And these hadiths suggest that prophet Muhammad did not knew that the earth is spherical with heliocentric model. Thus the Quranic verse: Until, when he reached the setting of the sun [i.e., the west], he found it [as if] setting in a body of dark water, and he found near it a people. We [i.e., Allah] said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness." - Surah 18 Verse 86 WHY would Allah mention here what Dhul-Qarnayn saw? What was so special here? Think? Except that Muhammad believed that the earth was flat when he was making up the Quran.
The sweet "miracle" of reinterpretation. When others do it than they are defending bullshit. When you guys do it than it's just simply stating and explaining the truth lol Come on brothers, open your eyes and accept the truth.
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying: Allah descends every night to the lowest heaven when one-third of the first part of the night is over and says: I am the Lord; I am the Lord: who is there to supplicate Me so that I answer him? Who is there to beg of Me so that I grant him? Who is there to beg forgiveness from Me so that I forgive him? He continues like this till the day breaks.(Sahih Muslim 758b) If we take this hadith literally, does this mean that Allah does not leave the near Heaven due to the fact that it is always night somewhere on earth?
Narrated Ibn `Umar: The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Sham! O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Yemen." The People said, "And also on our Najd." He said, "O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Sham (north)! O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Yemen." The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! And also on our Najd." I think the third time the Prophet (ﷺ) said, "There (in Najd) is the place of earthquakes and afflictions and from there comes out the side of the head of Satan."(Sahih al-Bukhari 7094) Does this hadith mean that Muslims living east of this region, for example, in Japan, can perform prayer during the sunrise, since Shaitan's head rises only over the region(Najd) mentioned by the prophet?
The biggest problem I have with Islam is its about the sunna of a man, how could following the ways of a regular man bring you closer to God. Prophet Mohammad did man things and his behavior didn't set him apart from the men of that day. The Quran says many confusing things that don't make sense. I liked Farids response, though somewhat a partial response as he basically says, "this is not literal and we don't know what it means for these to prostrate", He does seem honest in that we don't know, but this reflects badly upon the confusing and often times incoherent Hadiths that have to explain a more confusing incoherent Quran. Depending on who you ask you will get difference answer. Islam in the West is very different than Islam is the Middle East.
The only one confused is you, as for the Quran there's nothing confusing about it. Blame the shortcomings of your deficient "intellect", that is more correct
@@PabloSensei no, but having nine wives, consummating marriage with a 9yr, killing someone for writing bad poems about you, have female sex slaves do not bring you closer to god. These are pleasures of men.
@@baselhakim2080 "Quran there's nothing confusing about it. " Then why does Farid havintg a difficult time explaining the prostrating of the sun. He basically says we can't take it literal and we really don't know what it means for the sun to prostrate, that we should listen to this hadith over that hadith because the Quran doesn't really say. If the Quran wasn't confusing this wouldn't be a topic.
CHALLENGE ACCEPTED.🔥 Al-Kahf 18:77 فَٱنطَلَقَا حَتَّىٰٓ إِذَآ أَتَيَآ أَهْلَ قَرْيَةٍ ٱسْتَطْعَمَآ أَهْلَهَا فَأَبَوْا۟ أَن يُضَيِّفُوهُمَا فَوَجَدَا فِيهَا جِدَارًا يُرِيدُ أَن يَنقَضَّ فَأَقَامَهُۥۖ قَالَ لَوْ شِئْتَ لَتَّخَذْتَ عَلَيْهِ أَجْرًا So they set out, until when they came to the people of a town, they asked its people for food, but they refused to offer them hospitality. And they "found" therein a wall about to collapse, so he restored it. said, "If you wished, you could have taken for it a payment." IN THE WORLD WALL ABOUT TO COLLAPSE ONLY HAPPENS IN THAT PLACE ONLY?😂😂😂😂 🔥🔥An-Nur 24:39 وَٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوٓا۟ أَعْمَٰلُهُمْ كَسَرَابٍۭ بِقِيعَةٍ يَحْسَبُهُ ٱلظَّمْـَٔانُ مَآءً حَتَّىٰٓ إِذَا جَآءَهُۥ لَمْ يَجِدْهُ شَيْـًٔا وَوَجَدَ ٱللَّهَ عِندَهُۥ فَوَفَّىٰهُ حِسَابَهُۥۗ وَٱللَّهُ سَرِيعُ ٱلْحِسَابِ But those who disbelieved - their deeds are like a mirage in a lowland which a thirsty one thinks is water until, when he comes to it, he "finds" it is nothing but finds Allāh before him, and He will pay him in full his due; and Allāh is swift in account. NO ONE SEE ALLAH BUT SAID FINDS🎉 🔥🔥🔥 HOT SPRINGS ARE PRESENT IN WORLD 🌍 Most hot springs in western Saudi Arabia are associated with the volcanic Harrats, as most springs are situated in areas adjacent to the Harrats towards the Red Sea. Rain water infiltrates the fractures and seeps into the subsurface and accumulates at depths near the magma chamber. 🔥🔥🔥🔥 Mud volcano field of 10 KM WIDE ALSO PRESENT IN THE WORLD 🌍 Does Saudi Arabia have hot springs? Most hot springs in western Saudi Arabia are associated with the volcanic Harrats, as most springs are situated in areas adjacent to the Harrats towards the Red Sea. Rain water infiltrates the fractures and seeps into the subsurface and accumulates at depths near the magma chamber. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥REALLY WHAT HAPPENS? Ya Sin 36:40 لَا ٱلشَّمْسُ يَنۢبَغِى لَهَآ أَن تُدْرِكَ ٱلْقَمَرَ وَلَا ٱلَّيْلُ سَابِقُ ٱلنَّهَارِۚ وَكُلٌّ فِى فَلَكٍ يَسْبَحُونَ It is not allowable [i.e., possible] for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is "swimming." ITS SWIMMING..ITS CONTINUOUS PROCESS .. NOT LIKE SUN SET AND ITS GOING TO SLEEP..😆
When the night comes from here, and the day departs from here, and the sun has set, then the fasting person should break his fast.) This is the apparent meaning of the Ayah. Allah's saying: وَالشَّمْسُ تَجْرِى لِمُسْتَقَرٍّ لَّهَـا ذَلِكَ تَقْدِيرُ الْعَزِيزِ الْعَلِيمِ (And the sun runs on its fixed course for a term (appointed). That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing) There are two views over the meaning of the phrase لِمُسْتَقَرٍّ لَّهَـا (on its fixed course for a term (appointed). ) (The first view) is that it refers to its fixed course of location, which is beneath the Throne, beyond the earth in that direction. Wherever it goes, it is beneath the Throne, it and all of creation, because the Throne is the roof of creation and it is not a sphere as many astronomers claim. Rather it is a dome supported by legs or pillars, carried by the angels, and it is above the universe, above the heads of people. When the sun is at its zenith at noon, it is in its closest position to Throne, and when it runs in its fourth orbit at the opposite point to its zenith, at midnight, it is in its furthest position from the Throne. At that point it prostrates and asks for permission to rise. This what I found in ibn kathir(36:37-40) Is this view correct akhi?
@@ypatel1070 anyone who prostrates to other than Allah is extreme. People who are extreme can still comeback to the straight path. Anyone in jahanam is extreme quite simple.
There is example from us when someone can’t prostration because medical issues. as much as he can, even until he prostrates with his heart. So we conclude here that prostration may not be seen even among humans
[Disclaimer: this is my second and last comment thread on this video. Not trying to be a troll. Just wanted my first contestation to be a separate thread from this one 🙃]. My question to the claim that sun's having a setting place in a muddy pool is merely a result of perspective is: whose perspective? Dhool Karnain's, Muhammad's or Allah's? Correct me if I'm wrong, but does Islamic tradition not state that the Quran is the speech, indeed the eternal speech, of Allah? This is why Muslims claim that it contsins literary and scientific miracles - because it comes from the perspective of the all-knowing Allah and not a fallable human being. So then: is the claim that Dhool Karnain reached the setting place of the sun - a muddy pool near which a people lived - not the speech of Allah from the perspective of the all-knowing Allah? If so, how could Allah's perspective be so clearly and objectively wrong given the knowledge He is supposed to have? If your response here is that of Farid's in the video, I.e. that the passage is not meant to be taken literally, please see my other comment. Basically, I do not see how Abou Dhar's response that "Allah and His Apostle know best" is sufficient evidence that the resting / setting place of the sun according to this Surah is not meant to be taken literally.
I mean what kinda sufficient evidence do you need? This event occurred after the verse about the sun setting in a murky spring the campanions didnt say yeah it goes to a murky spring they said Allah and his apostle know best so they didn't take the verse as an answer about where the sun sets and didn't they didn't take it literally.
Yes, it's the speech of Allah, and Allah simply says that Dhul Qarnain found the sun setting in muddy water, in his perspective. I think you just made a big deal over nothing.
@@quarantinejet2312 no I have not made a big deal over nothing. Because you've just added "in his perspective" out of thin air. Where is that in the Quran? You can't add to historical text and then interpret it. Thats eisegesis as opposed to exegesis - a big no-no if you're attempting to conduct proper scholarship.
@@sinqobilemashalaba Yes, you did make a big deal over nothing, and I'll show it to you. Okay, "eyufsdggdryg as opposed to the exegeeniousblseffsd." Putting jargon aside, let's look at the facts. "Until, when *he reached* the setting of the sun, *he found it* [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. Allah said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness." - Sahih International "Till, when *he reached* the setting-place of the sun, *he found it* setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness." - Pickthall "Until, when *he reached* the setting of the sun, *he found it* set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness." "Until when *he reached* the place where the sun set, *he found it* going down into a black sea, and found by it a people. We said: O Zulqarnain! either give them a chastisement or do them a benefit." - Shakir "to the West where *he found the sun* setting into a warm source (spring) of water and a people living near by. *We asked him,* "Dhu 'l-Qarnayn, you may punish them or treat them with kindness?" - Muhammad Sarwar "Until, when *he reached* the setting place of the sun, *he found it* setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people. We (Allah) said (by inspiration): "O Dhul-Qarnain! Either you punish them, or treat them with kindness." - Mohsin Khan Do you notice now? Who's "he"? It's Dhul Qarnain, the verse is specifically telling a story about his journey and points out that he himself saw the sun setting in a muddy spring, he saw it. The Quran did not affirm it as literal. I think I've answered your question, this conversation should end here.
@@quarantinejet2312 The jargon was to make a valid point. Even though you mocked the jargon, it seems you got the point which is all that matters to me 👍. While you may feel the conversation is over, I will proceed to making my counterpoint, regardless, to the benefit of the interested reader in this comment section :). So it seems there are two variables to consider at this point: 1) whose perspective this passage was written from? 2) whether it is supposed to be taken literally or figuratively On point 1, I maintain that this story is told from Allah's perspective in the same way stories about Abraham, Moses and Jesus in the Quran are spoken from Allah's perspective. Just because a story is about Dhool Karnain, it does not follow that the story is told from Dhooll Karnain. Certainly, there is only one author supposedly - Allah - who did not use other's perspectives to curate what He supposdly revealed to Muhammad. If you make the claim that Allah does speak through the perspective of others, it brings into question the eternity of the Quran (a rabbit hole no Muslim wants to go into) On point 2, I take the position that literature have to be taken literally *as an initial stance* and then textual evidence (i.e. the literary style, historical and cultural context, perspectives, etc) has to be presented to move the reader to a more figurative and metaphoric understanding of the text. Farid tried to use the Hadith where Abou Dhar says "Allah and His Apostle know best". I have explained above and in my above thread why this evidence is rather weak and can actually be used to support the opposing view to what you and Farid are positing.
Yes, we know things prostrate to Allah almighty, but we don’t know how they prostrate. This is a part of the unseen that we believe in after we have believed firmly in the source, which the Quran and the authentic hadiths. أَلَمْ تَرَ أَنَّ ٱللَّهَ يَسْجُدُ لَهُۥ مَن فِى ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَمَن فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ وَٱلشَّمْسُ وَٱلْقَمَرُ وَٱلنُّجُومُ وَٱلْجِبَالُ وَٱلشَّجَرُ وَٱلدَّوَآبُّ وَكَثِيرٌ مِّنَ ٱلنَّاسِ ۖ وَكَثِيرٌ حَقَّ عَلَيْهِ ٱلْعَذَابُ ۗ وَمَن يُهِنِ ٱللَّهُ فَمَا لَهُۥ مِن مُّكْرِمٍ ۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ يَفْعَلُ مَا يَشَآءُ ۩ (الحج - 18)
This video is pre recorded and got uploaded today because it took Apuss 3 years to make a response I already knew about this video as you explained this to me in the DM months ago 😁
"Prostration" sun and tree means its obey "law from Allah" upon them. Sun will keep doing "their job" and tree doing "their job" as order(allowed) by Allah. Allah know best and His the most merciful
Brother Farid, it would have been great to include the same hadith narrated from Abu Dharr in As Sunan Abu Dawood (3991) which states the Sun setting in a spring of murky water. There are reasons why this narration is underwhelming compared to the one mentioned and the video should have addressed it before that special someone comes up with it.
That hadith is Weak or Hasan at best because 1- The chain contains al-Hakam ibn ‘Utaybah (infact he is the only narrator of this version) and here's what the scholars said about him : "although he was trustworthy - was described by an-Nasaa’i as mudallis [i.e., he used vague wording to give a wrong impression] in Dhikr al-Mudalliseen (no. 11). Ibn Hibbaan said: He used to engage in tadlees. End quote from ath-Thiqaat (4/144). None of those who narrated his hadeeth said that he clearly stated that he heard it from the previous narrator; rather they all said that his report included the word ‘an (from - instead of ‘I heard’, etc). Ibn Hajar mentioned him in Maraatib al-Mudalliseen in the second rank of mudalliseen (p. 30), who are the ones whose tadlees the imams (leading scholars) tolerated and from whom they narrated reports that they regarded as sound, because of their prominence and because they rarely engaged in tadlees compared to others, such as ath-Thawri; or (it was tolerated) because they did not use engage in tadlees except when narrating from a trustworthy source, such as Ibn ‘Uyaynah. The fact that this report is contrary to the report narrated by the trustworthy narrators confirms the possibility that tadlees occurred in this hadeeth in particular. " 2- The version of the Throne is much more popular and narrated within the most trusted sources like Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. 3- The story could not have happened twice so one of the two versions is true, so far the most authentic one was about the Throne.
@@FaridResponds Just curiosity, do you even believed what you are teaching or just a cultural/traditional belief you that you have to defend regardless how irrational it may sound, ie sun set in a murky water.
Sajda of every makhloq ( creation) is unique to that creation. It's a stupidity to Compare the Sajda of Sun with the Sajda of muslims and make objections .
idk, why people take things like this as literal. All this sounds metaphorical to me. Especially when the Arabs was known for their poetry at that time. they probably even use poetry whenever they bump their head on something.
If he didn't quote any so the answer is obvious... This is what you get when are blinded by the greek & devil's studies of astronomy which has nothing to do with the reality & how Allah described it. So here you have muslims rejecting the words of Allah to believe shaytan's...
@@bouterelfo9439 He is referencing Hadith. Also muslim also did astronomy in the past and studied our universe, for you to say we reject Allahs words and follow shaytan is you doing takfir on the whole ummah. Fear Allah Authobillah
One person in hadith asks where the sun goes at sunset. In the other hadith someone asks during sunset where the sun goes. Clearly this is in context of the belief that the sun goes away at night. So where does the sun go during sunset? Even in the historical context people believed the sun moves at night to create the night rather than earth's rotation so it only makes sense 1400 year old Islam restates that belief and doesn't mention earth's rotation since that was not known yet.
Firstly, I appreciate the willingness to say 'I do not know' to the point regarding what is meant by the sun prostrating under Allah's throne. Too many apologists on this platform either don't respond to points they are ignorant about or dig themselves deeper intellectual holes with their offhand responses. But, i do have a point of contention which I'm hoping Muslims in the comment section or maybe even Farid can address. In the video (around 1:20), Farid claims that Abu Dharr saying "Allah and His Apostle know best" is evidence that contemporaneous readers of the Quran did not interpret the murky spring passage literally. I need that line of reason to be fleshed out a bit more because to me, the answer "Allah and His messenger know best" is simply an appeal to Allah and Muhammad as the authorities on this question. That answer sheds no light on how the murky spring passage is to be interpreted. To know what the authorities (Allah and Muhammad) think about this matter, you would have to go to the Quran - which is the source of the confusion this hadith supposedly clears up. Beyond this response from Abu Dharr, Muhammad does not touch on the location of the sun when it has gone / set, rather on what it does when it gone / set (I.e. ask for permission to prostrate). In summary, the question: "What is meant by the sun going / setting somewhere?" is still open. The hadith neither affirms a literal or metaphoric view of this Quran verse (it seems) - rather it deflects to the Quran verse and moves on to another matter (I.e. that of the sun's prostration). I have more to say on the semantics around "sets" and "goes" that Farid touches on in the end but I'm keen to chat about my above contention
It even says the sun goes to it's resting place. Exactly in the historical context of people believing the sun moves rather than earth that rotates. Quite astonishing how also the historical context is ignored completely.
@@djaxx587 Exactly. While we have historical context of what people believed about the sun in 7th century and plain reading of the Quranic text to conclude that it is more probable that Allah was making an objective claim on the nature of the sun's movement (and was wrong), muslim apologists choose to ignore occam's razor and multiply assumptions about what "Allah and his Apostle know best" means to prove that the setting place of the sun in the muddy pool is not literal. The only way to save this argument is to appeal to the literary style of the text for a reason why we should interpret it figuratively. But that case has not been made so I am assuming it is weaker than this argument
Akhi when you give explanations like this please give it accordingly to scholarly opinion. Cite your sources because you're not a scholar to be giving your own tafsir.
About Sun Going under the earth =========================== Direction and position is relative in space. If someone from a space station looks at earth while his feet is towards the earth then it will seem to him that the earth is under him. But If he looks at earth while his head is closer to earth it will seem to him as if the earth is above him. So when someone is looking at the sun while it is setting. The sun is actually going under the earth and under him relatively. There is no absolute direction in space. So the statement "sun going under earth" is true even if you take it literally. It just depends on the spectator's position.
@@thefightingprophet. (Part 1) If you try to find problem then everything will seem problematic. For example, if I say "the sun rises in the east" You will say the sun never rises nor sets so the sentence is false. “Have We not made The earth as a wide Expanse, And the mountains as pegs?” [Al Qur’aan 78:6-7] Do you know that most of the part of a mountain is under the earth just like a peg? We came to know this recently through modern geology but Quran was written 1400 years ago. You have to admit that mountains have a direct connection with the stability of earth's surface. People did not know this 1400 years ago. But what you're saying is that mountain is the result of shaking. I can say that if mountains were not created during an unstable situation (like plates colliding) the earth would have shook more. This mechanism was created by God just like all other mechanism were created to protect the Earth. Not to mention what goes on in the unseen we don't know that. Earth as a flat bed ================= Earth's surface is suitable for human to reside in. Not all the planets have smooth surface like earth. So comparing it to flat bed makes sense. Secondly, Do you know that many Islamic scholars said that the earth is a sphere based on a Quranic Ayat? And it was long before it was discovered that the earth is a sphere.
@@thefightingprophet. (Part 2) Why are you pre-supposing that the prophet (peace be upon him) should've talked in the language of 21st century science and should have given an information that you would like to hear? You are thinking that if he said this in that way it would have been a miracle. But Quran already made mention of many other miracles. But are you now a muslim? Of course not. The goal of the prophet was not to give scientific information. But his goal was to make us know knowledge of the unseen and to let us know our ultimate purpose of life. Imagine this, for the people who lived 1400 years ago if they were told about blackhole. This information would have been useless for them and too difficult for them to perceive. But the companions of the prophet would have still believed it. But for them believing in blackhole is same as believing in Paradise. Because they cannot get any proof for neither of this. But if you were among them would you have believed it? Answer is, No. Just like you don't believe in paradise now, you wouldn't have believed in blackhole then without any proof. So giving this information wouldn't have helped you to accept Islam rather many others like you would have turned away from Islam by saying that, "Islam teaches nonsense like Blackhole".
@@thefightingprophet. (Part 3) The science that we know is not perfect. We did not get absolutely every knowledge of the universe. God encouraged us to seek for the perceivable knowledge of the universe and contemplate on it. So that we may understand beauty and complexity of God's creation. And we may get a idea about the power of God and so that we may glorify him. But you have to understand perceivable knowledge is not everything. We don't know what goes on in the unseen or how this universe works in the unseen. We only see that there is gravity. But we take it for granted because it is just there by default. But why is there any force like gravity? Do we have an answer for this. Moreover, every scientific knowledge that we have right now may change. Quantum mechanics can change our discoveries of science so far. It may change our perception of the world. The information that you are thinking is true now, may become false in 23rd century. So why are expecting that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) should have only explained the world in the understanding of us (the people of 21st century)?
@@thefightingprophet. "Wouldn't it have been so miraculous if he told his followers ...and our earth revolves around it?" Look how you've made a mistake because of your limited human perception. There are no revolving going on. Every motion in the universe is relative. If you fix the earth then it will seem the space revolves around earth. If you fix the sun then the space revolves around sun. As we haven't seen the edge of the space so we can't say for sure how it works ultimately.
@@thefightingprophet. The God said in the Quran everything in the universe is under god's throne. So why did the prophet say that the sun goes under the throne of God to seek his permission. If you take it literally its like saying God's throne is under earth. But that is not the case because of the Ayat of Quran. But If we combine these two it seems the sun is continuously asking for God's permission to rise for a specific nation. Again this is something that is from the knowledge of unseen and we don’t know exactly how it occurs. Like I said if I say to you that the sun sets in the west you will find problem in this too if you take it literally. If you try to find problem you will always find one. There are plenty of prophecies that came true, just look it up. Again You cannot expect god to reveal to you specific information that you want to know. Then every generation will demand so. We only know what is revealed to us by God. The wisdom behind is unknown to us. Every issue that you raise about Islam can be debunked. You just have to look for the explanations. Why dont you put the same effort that you use to disprove Islam. How about you start a bottom to top approach. Start with what are the logica behind existance of God? If there is a religion to worship God what are the options? What are the miracles of Islam that supports Islam's claim to be the truth? How the islamic scholars debunked the issues raised aginast Islam? Then you can start with your own argument of why Islam is false? May Allah guide you to the right path.
All of the creation prostrates to Allah, how we don't know we know how we prostrate. We know for a fact that the Throne is above creation and Allah is above the Throne above all of the creation. There is literally 0 things wrong with it, Apuss the idiot after all also believe the Sun sets and rises , now does this mean the Sun literally sets and rises no, but from our perspective it does.
@@Wabbelpaddel You see trees as if they are doing nothing but they grew to that point and are with life. Even for example a stone, it's created from matter and even if you would see it under a microscope it's full of life be it with bacteria etc.
The Quran actually mentions how things prostrate through their shadows when their shadows stretch out and bow down on the floor. This occurs twice a day when shadows are the longest in the early morning and late afternoon/early evening when the sun is low in the sky. SubhanAllahil Azeem! This is actually mentioned in Surah Nahl verse 48: "Have they not considered what things Allāh has created? Their shadows incline to the right and to the left, prostrating to Allāh, while they [i.e., those creations] are humble." So mountains and trees prostrate twice a day when their shadows stretch out on the floor in the early morning and early evening (Asr). Another interesting fact is that the 2 most important Salahs are Fajr and Asr and that Musa AS ummah had only 2 salahs 2 pray; Fajr & Asar.
I think that a better interpretation of the sun rising from the west is the sun itself moving around the earth, since the earth changing its direction would cause immense catastrophes
Farid in regards to the sun rising from the west there is another option. That is the magnetic poles switching. If the magnetic poles switch the sun would rise from the west.
Selamunaleykum, What is meant by "as if being ordered"? In minute 3:50. Allah orders it and than the sun set from west. Why is it sayin as if in the hadeeth? Its clear that is gonna happen, why the wording "as if". I dont understand it, please clear me up
7:53 Hey Farid. This is dishonest man. Look one line above what you’re reading. “When the sun had set, the Prophet said, ‘O Abu Dharr! Do you know where this (sun) goes?’” Don’t ignore the context as you always say.
The first one was telling you that the event was happening in the time of sunset and what you need to focus on here to understand the huge difference is the question of where does the sun set not at what time was this question been asked focus focus focus focus focus focus and take a book of logic ie argument to enhance your critical thinking ability
@@jonathandv-xn4ut The context matters. If the prophet is asking Abu Dharr about where THIS (sun) goes, he’s clearly pointing at the sun “leaving” from the view as it sets. That’s the context. The sun disappears from the sky and the prophet asks Abu Dharr if he knows where this sun goes. Imagine if he asked it in the middle of the day. You can’t see the sun’s orbit in the galaxy so why would the prophet ask that question if he meant that type of movement? The most simple answer is that he’s explaining where the sun goes after it sets. That’s why the time is mentioned. Occam’s Razor my friend. That’s logic.
@@lianabu7622 bruh This is literally what I was telling you The movement the prophet is referring to is from our point of view 🤦♂️ There is literally nothing problematic A perspectival phenomenological phrase
@@M7md-3la2 Please clarify your point. The Hadith says that the sun goes somewhere. It happened to be at sunset. Is he talking about the movement of our sun in the galaxy or is he talking about the sunset that is happening right at that moment? If he’s talking about the sun’s movement in the galaxy, we cannot see that as we are moving at the same speed as the sun in that particular orbit. In our perspective on Earth, the sun doesn’t move but we do (spinning on an axis). If you believe in that interpretation, please support it. Otherwise, there is more than enough reason to think that the prophet meant the sun setting rather than the sun’s orbit around the galaxy.
@@lianabu7622 you literally didn't get it I am talking about The sun setting from our perspective right? He is telling the guy beside him Where is that going? (Referring to the sun that is leaving from their perspective) Therefore going is talking about the sun going from the perspective below the horizon There is NOTHING problematic in that at all I am not talking about galaxies now
1:23 maybe he forgot the verse ot never heard it. Maybe the chnological order of the traditional narrative is slightly innacurate (at least in this case)
Its not Farids fault if you and Apuss have the mental capacity of a 4 year old and misunderstand something. The companions were sincere people and understood the Prophet clearly. However we have to deal with Apuss fangirls are dumb down everything to you
@@tahahagar7664 early muslims thought for centuries that earth is flat with what mohammed has left them with (until nonmuslims found out its not) Because they did not doubt what he telled them
@@Kramer_. inform yourself about the Islamic whale wich carries the flat earth on his back to be found in islams early tafsirs. When muslims always knew the earth to be round, why havent it been muslims discovering it. And nothing you say actually solves the problem that allah ans his messenger need proper explanations for their eternal guidance. If a guidance needs explanation it means that guidance failed. Like you would need a instruction how to read your instruction to build a desk you bought.
Great explanation. However one of your explanations regarding sun rising from the west was the earth may turn otherway. If the earth was to stop spinning suddenly it would literally destroy everything on earth.
i mean wouldn't the sun moving from its place amd going around the earth have some consequences? it is the end times after all and by the time the sun rises from the west multiple supernatural events already happened.
just a piece of correction, in Surah Rehman, al najmu wal shajaru yasjudaan, here al najm doesn't mean star, it means a climber or creeper because it is paired with shajaru which means a tree or plant . correct me if iam wrong. jazaak Allah khairan
@@ziasmailbox 6) And the stars and trees prostrate.[1593] [1593]- They submit obediently to the laws of Allāh. See 22:18. An additional meaning of "najm" is vegetation of a kind without a trunk, stalk or stem. its in Saheeh international
@@ziasmailbox I don't know bro, its in the sahih international translation. Its the most authentic translation in Saudi Arabia Quran. We need to see Authentic Ahadees related to this topic.
How do we interpret the "direction" of the throne according to the latter explanation? Does it mean the "real up" of the throne is in the direction where milky way is heading right now??
Allah knows best or in whatever way it suits Allah's majesty, as even what we consider up is subjevtive depending on which part of the planet your on and it may be that Allahs highness transcends our understanding of highness
In our solar system for instance, the gravitational bottom is the sun itself, towards which all matter is falling. Above the Sun, there are Mercury, Venus, then the Earth. Technically, Venus, Mercury and the Sun are below the Earth. Similarily, our entire solar system is revolving around a gravitational bottom within the milky way which is comprised of billions of stars and other planetary systems.
Bro ur making it harder and more complicated for yourself. The hadith doesnt even talk about the direction of the throne. The throne of All encompasses the heavens and earth ie. Universe
is the sky a solid object tho? Were they to see a piece of the sky falling (on them), they would (only) say: ‘Clouds gathered in heaps’.” (at-Tur, 52:44) how do we interpret this
Thanks you Mujahid... Plz reply I want to tell you about part of sky....bcoz Quran say literally same thing .. If Quran saying part of sky.. Mean literally part of sky.. No other meaning...
The explanations get increasingly convoluted and desperate. The authors of Islam simply never understood how day and night works. It's why you have these Qur'an/hadith issues about where the sun goes, why you have hadith that have Allah descending to the lowest heavens to whisper at a certain time of night (although its always that time of night somewhere in the world), it's why there are inhabited parts of the world where you simply can't fast without starving to death (people in those places are forced to use innovations to work around it). This issue isn't going to go away anytime soon.
Human needs revelations from Allah to be guided because Allah creates each human with faculties of intellect and freedom, everything else is submitted to Allah by its natural inclination like the Sun and alike. Allah guidance to humans is Islam part of it implementing Sharia Law, in Arabic means the righteous path. Islam literal meaning is Submission [to God]" and considers everything, non-human, in the world as a Muslim from this perspective, that follows the path that is set by Allah as he said:"The seven heavens and the earth and whatever is in them exalt Him. And there is not a thing except that it exalts [Allah] by His praise, but you do not understand their [way of] exalting. Indeed, He is ever Forbearing and Forgiving." [Quran 17:44] Everything like trees, oceans, earth, galaxies .. etc follows the causality principle because Allah is fair and just in making this world understandable to us. Since Allah empowers human with intellect and freedom, Allah wants human to put efforts to believe, not blindly, by seeing Allah's signs: "We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. But is it not sufficient concerning your Lord that He is, over all things, a Witness?" [Quran41:53] . Allah gives the human the capability to observe and deduce laws, so human can exploit it to fulfill his role in Earth as the Quran said: "Is He [not best] who responds to the desperate one when he calls upon Him and removes evil and makes you inheritors of the earth? Is there a deity with Allah? Little do you remember." [Quran 6:62], "And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority." They said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?" Allah said, "Indeed, I know that which you do not know." [Quran 2:30] Finally, Allah is almighty that anything mentioned in the Quran regarding its willing has to be qualified with expressions indicate Allah omnipresence and almighty, nothing ever happens in the universe unless He wants so, Allah said: "And He has subjected for you [Human] the night and day and the sun and moon, and the stars are subjected by His [Allah] command. Indeed in that are signs for a people who reason." [Quran 16:12]
حدثنا ابن حُميد، قال: ثنا تميم بن عبد المؤمن، عن زبرقان، عن أبي رزين وسعيد ( وَالنَّجْمُ وَالشَّجَرُ يَسْجُدَانِ ) قالا ظلهما سجودهما. قال بعضهم: عني بالنجم في هذا الموضع من النبات: ما نجم من الأرض، مما ينبسط عليها، ولم يكن على ساق مثل البقل ونحوه. وقال آخرون: عُنِي بالنجم في هذا الموضع: نجم السماء. أولى القولين في ذلك بالصواب قول من قال: عُنِي بالنجم: ما نجم من الأرض من نبت لعطف الشجر عليه، فكان بأن يكون معناه لذلك: ما قام على ساق وما لا يقوم على ساق يسجدان لله، بمعنى: أنه تسجد له الأشياء كلها المختلفة الهيئات من خلقه، أشبه وأولى بمعنى الكلام من غيره.
One of the reasons that made me leave islam. Still didn't get a proper answer to this. 1) so you are saying that the correct words of prophet are "do you know where the sun goes?". Not "...sun sets". But It doesn't matter if he said "sun goes" or "sun sets". Becoz it is already clear from the context that prophet is referring to sun going somewhere after it had set as It is mentioned in the hadith that he asked this when the sun had set meaning he thought that what appears to us as sun moving around the earth is actually the reality. 2) secondly you didn't even address other hadiths that talk about this in greater detail. how convenient! It is clearly mentioned in sahih Muslim 159a or bukhari 3199 how prophet is describing that sun moves around the earth everyday rising from the east by taking permission from allah and setting in the west.
@@agnosticdude7557 did you not asking the question where the sun goes? Because im inferring from your statement that you dont believe the sun is going anywhere?
Inshallah I'll be making another video soon about how this has blown up in the face of a certain someone. Expect that soon. ;)
Asalam Aleikum umma, **urgent** - I bring to your attention to watch this video and bring attention to the masses esp. in subcontinent, deceived by a dajjal in the ummah :
view : **IMRAN HOSEIN: " UYGHURS ARE ZIONIST PROPAGANDA AND WARRIORS OF DAJJAL."**
view : **Imran Hosein claims Prophet did NOT explain Qur'an & HE will explain from Knowledge & Insight**
view : **The Creep Imran Hosein Rejects What Is Clear In The Qur’ān!**
(regarding Jesus)
view : **The Creepy Imran Hosein Supports Vladimir Putin In His Massacre of Syrian Muslims**
keep in mind imran n. hosein consistently supports pagans and lies on Muslims.
He lied that Saudi rebelled on Turks who were divided by sufi bida when it was Jordan, sided w/ Russia over Turkey, claims to b anti Zl0Nist but aids pagan 12er iran's 79 cia revolt, led by khomeini who said there is a new Quran in end times with shi'a mehdi matching dajjal, iran the original jet bombers follow fayruz & took in exiled al queda, to be israelis ally who lost sinai to Sunnis, shi'a agents like chalabi lied on iraq and left arm for isil, he supported Assad who secretly worked with isil to oppose his ppl, he supports india and china against uighur Muslims...
acts speak louder then taqiya words!
view : **Saudi Arabian Foreign Minister Rips Apart The Raafidhi MaJEWsi Iranian Foreign Minister**
@U . F . O morality is mythological if it's based on corrupted texts or societal opinion or guesses through emotions
@U . F . O
only this interpretation makes sense! Cause according to hadith and quran Throne of allah above the 7 Heaven!according to Quran sun has orbit!it can't move from It's orbit! So connect both don’t be blind fool!!
@U . F . O Unidentified Failing Object, for it to be a reinterpretation, it would have to be interpreted contrarily by the first generation. That's not established.
I'm so happy for you explaining this issue that makes muslims leav islam and made me rethink islam and didn't sleep for research that because many x muslims and atheists say that it is a mistake in purana
Stay strong, Khaled. =]
JazakAllahu khair. I forgot to read the arabic part of the hadith. Because كأنها should be obvious 😅😂😂😂😂 astaghfirullah
Thank you bro. May Allah keep your iman strong and help you to continue to guide the Muslims. Every time there is a criticism like this of Islam it’s always people who don’t understand the nature, circumstance, and even the language (which are the laziest of the refutations 🙄), of what the Quranic text and Sunnah say. Thank you for the informative videos again!
The fact that we know which hadith reviled after which verse of the quran reviled its something to ponder the level of detail preservation of islam
Absolutely
@Sage have you gone for a book review? Ya you find the author explain something which is not in the book just like that allah explain some things to us which is not in the quran but that doesnt mean quran is not perfect your argument is flawed
@Sage hadith is like commentary on Qur'an. It helps us understand the meaning deeply and correctly. It's that simple. If that doesn't convince you I don't know what will
@Sage you are a walking circular argument....
@@randallfe a commentary isnt a book review
I'm glad to see that you've explained it exactly the same way I explained it to someone in your previous video in the comment section, especially the part where the sun appears from its place of setting due to the motion of the earth and so on.
Verses 17:44-45 pretty much sums up all of this, Allah states in the quran:
*{The seven heavens and the earth and whatever is in them exalt Him. And there is not a thing except that it exalts [Allah] by His praise, but you do not understand their [way of] exalting. Indeed, He is ever Forbearing1 and Forgiving. ¤ We have cast veils over their hearts-leaving them unable to comprehend it-and deafness in their ears. And when you mention your Lord alone in the Quran, they turn their backs in aversion.}*
So you are saying that Muhammad was a idiot for saying that, he didn’t know, but what can he do, that’s how he saw it from that distance. You need to put word into your false prophets mouth
@@ayhemshaban9745 the second verse you quoted was 46, not 45
Ustaadh this is one of the best explanation on this issue. May Allah swt reward you ;-)
jazakallahu khairan
@@thecrow6388 no u r utter rubbish
@@thecrow6388 How so?
@@thecrow6388 So no answer? Clearly it is you then who is speaking rubbish, as you fail to substantiate such a very simple claim when asked.
@@حَمُّود-ه2ق tell him to look up "appeal to the Stone fallacy" so he realizes he doesn't make an argument 🙄
@@thecrow6388 No, his point was the Prophet (ﷺ) asked him (i.e Abu Dharr) where it goes. If the Quran were understood that way the companions wouldve simply answered with that. So that is not a conjecture, rather I'd say that is an obvious observation. As for the 2nd one, also not what he said. He said that could be the significance behind the REPORT, the HADITH, behind the Prophet (ﷺ) mentioning such a thing in the first place. Although Ill grant that we cannot know that this is certainly the case.
However, neither of those 2 things are the main point of the video lol, those were just 2 points on the side. So how can you say he is ONLY speaking rubbish? The main point was to explain how the hadith is not meant to be taken literally, and that the other interpretation of the earth being flat and the sun going under it at night is flawed.
Which is what he did.
Learned slot jasakallahu khayr Akhi
Ma Sha ALLAH great explanation ♥️
The isnād and matn comparison at the end is excellent.
i've never seen a better yet simple description for this hadith as your video, may Allah exalted be him accept from you.
أيضا سمعت الشيخ زين خير الله من أيام قليلة يرد على هذه الشبهه فقال أن معنى السجود لغتًا هو الخضوع
وقال أيضا أن جميع المخلوقات تحت العرش فمن الواضح أنها ستسجد تحت العرش
الله يحمي الشيخ زين خير الله.
Inshallah allah will give you the best reward for this informative video
Prostate=WORSHIP=following Allah's law.
'Under' is our perception.
Pagans of old believed the sun god died when it disappeared and doubted it will return(rebirth of sun/son). But Allah is letting us and pagans know when it disappears in places like northern Europe that its his law the sun is following.when it follows it is worshipping Allah and it is not dead but prostrating (lowest point for human and in this context the lowest point of sun,which is night from our perspective). Allah knows best
If Rasoollah saw said that sun prostrates to Allah swt then it prostrates to Allah swt, we don’t know how just listen and obey
The fact your comment may not get as many likes as others is the problem with some of our brothers and sisters. May Allah guide them to this understanding which you have. Ameen.
As-salamu Alaykum, i make Islamic calligraphies, i invite you to see them, Jazak Allahu Khayr
that. i agree
barak Allah feek brother
Farrid, May Allah reward you. Ameen
Ameen
Ameen
This was the video I was talking about on 31st December 2021! Alhamdulillah it’s finally public.
For this video award of the Mental gymnastic in 2022 goes to Farid Responds.
Mental gymnastics
In other words
"I am too stupid to understand and use my brain"
@@M7md-3la2 he did a triple Summersault into a muddy pool
The leg of a human is different than the leg of a horse, it's just a common sense, so after using our brains we can come to the conclusion that the way the sun prostrate is different than humans.
issue is solved just by being honest
Mashallah... Such a great explanation!!
@@thecrow6388 yehh...crow bro u're right...
@@thecrow6388 since i aint no crow....i cant do that broo..
This went above and beyond. The fact that this narration is after kahaf shows neither prophet (saw) nor sahabis used the verse to explain the question of sun setting. The prophet (saw) didn't paraphrase the verse from kahaf nor quote it to answer it. Thus this Aya wasn't taken to mean Dulqarnayn saw the sun sitting in murky water ergo Quran says Sun sets on murky water, by the sahabas.
pls, how did u deduce that its after kaahf?
@@furqanshariff Surah kahaf is makki Surah it came as a response to questions by makkan pagans. The hadith is coming from when the prophet saw and others are sitting in the masjid of prophet IE masjid nabwi IE after hijrah so obviously kahaf precedes the hadith
@@syedahmedshaheer117 oh thanks
As always Farid brilliant video May Allah reward and increase you’re ranks you help a lot of Muslims
Very well explained. May Allah bless you for this
As-salamu Alaykum, i make Islamic calligraphies, i invite you to see them, Jazak Allahu Khayr
Ameen
Ameen
This is troubling -the suggestion that one should not to take the literal words of Allah literally.
I mean, isn't that how it's been this whole time?
postration of sun, moon and trees cloud be interpreted as obeying Allah in regards to their duties.
This hadith suddenly came into my mind yesterday and I was pondering on what could this mean. The video coudn't come at a time better than this. Also your explanation is uniqe and rational.
It was allah that brought it into your mind and that decided for farid to put it today.
@@marwanshaibi4304 so true
As-salamu Alaykum, i make Islamic calligraphies, i invite you to see them, Jazak Allahu Khayr
Verses 17:44-45 pretty much sums up all of this, Allah states in the quran:
*{The seven heavens and the earth and whatever is in them exalt Him. And there is not a thing except that it exalts [Allah] by His praise, but you do not understand their [way of] exalting. Indeed, He is ever Forbearing1 and Forgiving. ¤ We have cast veils over their hearts-leaving them unable to comprehend it-and deafness in their ears. And when you mention your Lord alone in the Quran, they turn their backs in aversion.}*
@@ayhemshaban9745Sadaqallah
The prostration of trees and Sun is how I always took to be as, Allah(swt) has set the balance of what is and everything on earth and within the universe runs its course by the strength and might of all mighty Allah. Therefore everything obeys Allah, this is worship and essentially submitting/prostrating
how do trees prostrate themselves?
@@bengreen171 Hello Ben, hope all is well. It doesn't mean physically prostrate. Allah has set the balance to allow life to exist and they exist and evolve according to God's will. Al Bari is one of Gods attributes and it literally means the evolver. Anyhow, everything submits to Allah's will. Even you... because you cannot decide to not drink or eat or to not breathe. We all submit to the will of Allah by how he ordained life to be lived. You didn't choose your race, where you were born or your parents. You have little choice over anything. You fall for the desire of lusting for women, something innately built into you without your permission. We all submit to the will of God, only difference Muslims submit willingly.
@@shahid8545
I'm fine thanks - and you?
We can decide not to eat or drink. People fo it all the time/. Usually only for short periods, but some peoiple have been known to go on hunger strike and some have even died doing it.
Your notiong that the fact we don't choose our race has something to do with submission to god is unsupported.
And my main point is that these 'fine' and grandoise words about prostration etc are meaningless. What does it mean to say hte trees prostrate themselves. How does this happen. You cannot give a cgent answer.
The Quran actually mentions how things prostrate through their shadows when their shadows stretch out and bow down on the floor. This occurs twice a day when shadows are the longest in the early morning and late afternoon/early evening when the sun is low in the sky. SubhanAllahil Azeem! This is actually mentioned in Surah Nahl verse 48:
"Have they not considered what things Allāh has created? Their shadows incline to the right and to the left, prostrating to Allāh, while they [i.e., those creations] are humble."
So mountains and trees prostrate twice a day when their shadows stretch out on the floor in the early morning and early evening (Asr). Another interesting fact is that the 2 most important Salahs are Fajr and Asr and that Musa AS ummah had only 2 salahs 2 pray; Fajr & Asar.
Humans need revelations from Allah to be guided because Allah created human with faculties of intellect and freedom, everything else is submitted to Allah by its natural inclination like the Sun and alike. Allah guidance to humans is Islam part of it implementing Sharia, in Arabic means the righteous path. Islam literal meaning is Submission [to God]" and considers everything in the world is Muslim, that follows the path that is set by Allah:"The seven heavens and the earth and whatever is in them exalt Him. And there is not a thing except that it exalts [Allah] by His praise, but you do not understand their [way of] exalting. Indeed, He is ever Forbearing and Forgiving." [Quran 17:44] Everything like trees, oceans, earth, galaxy .. etc follows the causality principle because Allah is fair and just in making this world understandable to us. Since Allah empowers human with intellect and freedom, Allah wants human to see Allah's signs to believe and also to make human deduces laws, so human can exploit it to fulfill his role in Earth as the Quran said: "Is He [not best] who responds to the desperate one when he calls upon Him and removes evil and makes you inheritors of the earth? Is there a deity with Allah? Little do you remember." [Quran 6:62]
Mashallah may Allah bless u
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As-salamu Alaykum, i make Islamic calligraphies, i invite you to see them, Jazak Allahu Khayr
@@ilmal-quranwalsunnah1532 Nice 👍
What are you trying to say?
@@mohammad.alkurdi.
That the earth revolves around the sun
@@mohammad.alkurdi. the earth is like a spinning top
So please forgive me for my previous.explanation didn’t make myself clear
And Allah alone knows all and Allah alone knows best
HasbunAllahu wa Ni’mal Wakeel
brother farid....doing great job...keep this doing...we need more like these...I am very much benefitted from your video...whenever I see any atheist/nonmuslim claim against islam, i remember there must be an explanation!!that's it. keep doing this..we expect more from u❤❤
A few other things to note;
This "permission to rise" cannot be related to what is perceived as sunrise. Because this "rising" happens from the same place where permission was asked. Trying to argue for the opposite implies that sunrise must happen from the same place as sunset, which is absurd. It says this "rising" occurs after prostration underneath the throne. It is rising from prostration, not rising from sunset. Among several views reported by ibn Kathir, is that prostration of the sun is at midnight. Even this medieval geocentric view does not connect the sun's prostration to sunset, which happens much earlier than midnight.
Further, the hadith is unrelated to Dhul Qarnayn's story. It is a comment on verse 38 of sura yasin, which is a verse about the day of resurrection. It speaks of the sun "running", which fits the sun's movement across the galaxy, as noted in the video. The word denotes rapid movement contrary to the perceived motion of the sun during the day. The sun is "running", perpetually to its place of rest, its end point. During that perpetual course, it prostrates underneath the all encompassing divine throne. The hadith then describes apocalyptic events. It tells us what will happen when that time comes. When it reaches its decreed end, the sun will be in a state of prostration, but that prostration will be rejected. Neither will it be allowed to rise from prostration. Instead, it will be told to revert to where it came from prior to its prostration. That sudden change in course will make it appear to be rising from where it set.
Divine throne?
You made a mistake, Arsh of Allah is magnificent but not part of Allah and doesnt share divinity with Allaha
@@unistavanjesquarediagonal2687 thanks
@@nadermusa4562 Then what is "The permission to rise" related to ahki ?
@@nadermusa4562 what are you saying?!
I love the fact that you guys keep trying. You want 3+7 to be 11. It always comes 10 but you don’t give up. You keep trying in different ways. Sometimes with red pen, sometimes with blue pen. Sometimes you use calculator, sometimes you use abacus. Then you try with beads. Then you say if things you are counting are very very big, then the sum is 11. Then you say if you add at peak of Ramadan fast and if you are not hungry you will get 11. You are able to convince so many people that you feel encouraged. You just know it is 11. You know you were promised 72 hoors and you are going to make sure you get them. So much has been invested into getting them 72. So many evil Murtads and Kaafirs have been sent to hell in the belief that it is 11. So many madarssa jobs, so many hafiz’s careers are at stake. National identities are at stake. Economies are at stake. It surely is 11. It has to be. You will kill anyone who calls it 10. Yes you will. And you will speak louder and you will get more people to shout about it. Eventually the dissent will die of boredom. Or, due to jihaad. 50 years later, same cycle will repeat. 3+7 = 11
Thanks a lot brother, I have learn alot
Those Christians who sarcastically wonder how the star, the trees and the sun can prostrate!
And the answer is as the planets and the sun prostrated to Joseph in your Holy Book
Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. “Listen,” he said, “I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me.” Genesis 37:9
Yeah that was dream that even gets explained later on. Do you even understand the story and what that dream represented?
@@TetrahedronIX Yes I know
@@moniedder9946 I don't explain it to me.
@@twoangels3405 in the biblical story the prostrating stars were meant ti represent his brothers who would one day bow before him begging for food.
Personally I see star, trees, and sun "prostrating" as a metaphor for being in complete submission to Allah SWT. Humans (edit - and Jinn) have free will and the choice to submit to or go against the will of Allah. Other animals, and inanimate objects do not have that choice and are hence always "prostrating” to Allah SWT. Thats how I see it but Allah knows best
That is what I've been saying. The Arabs are poets. they eat poems for living. of course they will speak like that. if you take that as literal and scientific, you will have a very hard time in your life. So desperate.. smh🤦♂️
Understanding Islamic Creeds provides a good understanding of the Quran and Hadith. Allah is all powerful that anything mentioned in the Quran regarding its willing has to be qualified with expressions indicate Allah omnipresence and almighty, nothing ever happens in the universe unless He wants so, Allah said: "And He has subjected for you [Human] the night and day and the sun and moon, and the stars are subjected by His [Allah] command. Indeed in that are signs for a people who reason." [Quran 16:12]
Humans need revelations from Allah to be guided because Allah creates each human with faculties of intellect and freedom, everything else is submitted to Allah by its natural inclination like the Sun and alike. Allah guidance to humans is Islam part of it implementing Sharia Law, in Arabic means the righteous path. Islam literal meaning is Submission [to God]" and considers everything, non-human, in the world as a Muslim from this perspective, that follows the path that is set by Allah as he said:"The seven heavens and the earth and whatever is in them exalt Him. And there is not a thing except that it exalts [Allah] by His praise, but you do not understand their [way of] exalting. Indeed, He is ever Forbearing and Forgiving." [Quran 17:44] Everything like trees, oceans, earth, galaxies .. etc follows the causality principle because Allah is fair and just in making this world understandable to us.
Since Allah empowers humans with intellect and freedom, Allah wants humans to put efforts to believe, not blindly, by seeing Allah's signs: "We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. But is it not sufficient concerning your Lord that He is, over all things, a Witness?" [Quran 41:53] . Allah gives the human the capability to observe and deduce laws, so humans can exploit it to fulfill his role in Earth as the Quran said: "Is He [not best] who responds to the desperate one when he calls upon Him and removes evil and makes you inheritors of the earth? Is there a deity with Allah? Little do you remember." [Quran 6:62], "And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority." They said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?" Allah said, "Indeed, I know that which you do not know." [Quran 2:30]
As Selamu Aleykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.
BarakAllahu fiek Akhi. Very good Video. But i will ad something. The Hadith is not only in Buhari, it is also in Muslim. And the interesting point this part: " لاَ يَسْتَنْكِرُ النَّاسُ مِنْهَا شَيْئًا " :
It is narrated on the authority of Abu Dharr that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) one day said:
Do you know where the sun goes? They replied: Allah and His Apostle know best. He (the Holy Prophet) observed: Verily it (the sun) glides till it reaches its resting place under the Throne. Then it falls prostrate and remains there until it is asked: Rise up and go to the place whence you came, and it goes back and continues emerging out from its rising place and then glides till it reaches its place of rest under the Throne and falls prostrate and remains in that state until it is asked: Rise up and return to the place whence you came, and it returns and emerges out from it rising place and the it glides (in such a normal way) \>\>\> that the people do not discern anything ( unusual in it)
Wow ❤
Great work once again
The Christian missionaries and also the Athiests like to quote this Hadith to make fun and mock about it towards us Muslims. Actually they like to quote the version of the Hadith from Abu Dawud, that says that the sun sets in a spring of warm water. But according to the scholars the Hadith in Abu Dawud in his last sentence that talks about the sun sets in a spring of warm water is not authentic. And that's why we prefer and accept the version of the Hadith from Sahih al Bukhari above the one in Abu Dawud.
@@boriserjavec6470 When we look into a Hadith we examen the Isnad, and also the Matn. And the Hadith from Abu Dawud is according to some scholars strong in it's Isnad, but weak in it's Matn, Especialy the last sentence of the Hadith. Others scholars disagree about the Isnad that it is trustworthy and say that the version from Abu Dawud was narrated only by al-Hakam ibn ‘Utaybah from Ibraahem, and al-Hakam, although he was trustworthy, he was described by an-Nasaa’i as mudallis. (he used vague wording to give a wrong impression). Ibn Hibbaan said: He used to engage in tadlees. None of those who narrated his hadeeth said that he clearly stated that he heard it from the previous narrator; rather they all said that his report included the word ‘an (from instead of ‘I heard’, etc). Also Ibn Kathir is of the opinion that the Hadith that speaks about the sun setting in a pring of warm water is problamatic.
Nah. Atheists don't focus on just one belief. We like to laugh at all your ridiculous, unfounded, atavistic beliefs.
@@StevTheBevNaffNeffNor Then you tell us where you come from. And please don't say from apes and monkey's because that's ridiculous, unfounded and a atavistic belief.
@@alyunanie as an outside looking in, looks like yall jumped a shite ton of hoops just to get this specific chain as inauthentic. It's pretty cool honestly. Maybe one day I'll read up but until then I'll just be lurking in the shadows.
It's very simple to know the nature of prostration. That's just the law of nature like fusion, fission and law of physics in general. Although that imply Sun is always asking for permission to prostate and that is consistent with law of nature always always existing.
May Allah bless you brother Farid💓
Verses 17:44-45 pretty much sums up all of this, Allah states in the quran:
*{The seven heavens and the earth and whatever is in them exalt Him. And there is not a thing except that it exalts [Allah] by His praise, but you do not understand their [way of] exalting. Indeed, He is ever Forbearing1 and Forgiving. ¤ We have cast veils over their hearts-leaving them unable to comprehend it-and deafness in their ears. And when you mention your Lord alone in the Quran, they turn their backs in aversion.}*
Damn, that’s messed up. So you’re saying that Allah seals the hearts of the disbeliever and makes them deaf but they then still get punished for their disbelief. That’s 100% fair and just. /s
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Allah/God sees the hearts and misguides those who's hearts are corrupted by satan.
But those who's hearts are pure and seek knowledge, those whom Allah/God guides tewords islam.
Because God/Allah does not accept bad and corrupt humans in his religion, so they get misguided away from islam, thus they leave islam.
Except for those who repent.
That's why in the end of the verse it states that it's because when you mention your Lord alone in the quran (THEY TURN BACK)
And you completely missed the point of why I quoted this verse.
And I think you're the BEST EXAMPLE HERE that proves the last part of these verses are true.
@@ayhemshaban9745 Someone who has questions about Islam and doesn’t find the answers convincing is because they were corrupted by Satan? And instead of guiding the misguided, he proceeds to misguide them by veiling their hearts and making them deaf to the truth, which basically means he’s helping Satan? That definitely makes sense and isn’t counterintuitive at all. /s
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Why won't someone find the answers in islam? They would if they actually look hard enough or go to their nearest Imam or student of knowledge.
It's a mistake on their part for not looking hard enough.. because every question in islam can be answered...
But for those who don't have the ability to get to answers.. (let's assume the Internet didn't exist), they will be regarded as the one of the ignorant (of islam) that Allah/God will pardon.
And Dont try twisting my words.
If allah/God we're ot guide and misguide as he pleases.. then this isn't fear and just.
Allah/God only misguides those who choose to be bad and commit awful deeds while also having corrupt hearts..
If Allah/God guided such people to islam, the what does that mean?
It means that bad/doubtful people will exist among the Muslims.
God guides and misguides DEPENDS on what we do and posses in our heart.
God give us free will and two path, and depending on the result of our tests, he will guides/misguides us.
Nothing bad or good happens to someone unless The God allowed for it to happen.
God tests people in all ways, wither with wealth, or with poverty.. and depending on the results he will judge us all fairly in judgement day.
As the quran stats: (Not a single creature will be wronged on that day), even animals and insects will get their justice.
@@ayhemshaban9745 Doubt is good. Doubt leads to solving issues. Doubtful people lead to truth. Don’t say Islam can answer every question in one breath if you’re going to say Islam doesn’t want doubtful people in the next. Everyone in science is doubtful until convinced. Scientists work to disprove their ideas and if they cannot, they will take that idea. Islam doesn’t do that. People who doubt Islam are told that Shaytan caused them to doubt.
Allah creates us and knows what we will do before he does. He creates our environments and our influences which then shape our implicit biases and perceptions. Allah chooses whether we are gullible or stubborn. Allah creates our brains and it’s abilities to perceive knowledge. Despite all of these constraints on our thinking, Allah gives us free will. If I don’t believe, why is it my fault when I have no control over these?
No one is born bad but their environment and their influences make them perceived as bad. Murderers are affected by mental health issues caused by their environment and what influenced them (for example: childhood trauma). No one disbelieves because they chose to. No one truly believes because they chose to. They believe or disbelieve because they were convinced. If you believe while not being convinced, you’re just lying to yourself. No disbeliever will ever tell you that they are convinced but they chose to disbelieve. No disbeliever will willing go to hell while believing it exists. That type of Kafir only exists as stories like Fir’oon (Pharoh) and Abu Lahab. A believing disbeliever makes no sense.
Since Allah creates all of these factors, how is it fair for someone to be judged for their inability to believe when Allah ultimately decides everything they are, based on the factors I mentioned above? That’s why I don’t believe that it’s fair to punish someone eternally for such an unfair test.
If the seven heavens are under the throne of Allah already. Than why did prophet Muhammad asked his companion that: "Do you know where the sun goes at sunset?!"..."it goes underneath the throne of Allah and asks for permission to rise up again. And a day will come where it will not be given permission and it will be said to it (sun) that go back where it came from. And that is when the sun will rise from the West".
And in another hadith prophet Muhammad says that: "Do not perform prayers when the sun rises and when it sets. For, the sun rises between the two horns of the devil and sets between the two horns of the devil".
The other variant of the same sahih hadith says that: "Satan goes and stands in front of a sun at the times of sunset and sunrise to imitate God. So that's why don't pray at these times".
The only problem is that the sun is CONSTANTLY "rising and setting" SIMULTANEOUSLY on someone somewhere.
These 2 above mentioned hadiths can only be true on a Geocentric Flat Earth model. And these hadiths suggest that prophet Muhammad did not knew that the earth is spherical with heliocentric model.
Thus the Quranic verse: Until, when he reached the setting of the sun [i.e., the west], he found it [as if] setting in a body of dark water, and he found near it a people. We [i.e., Allah] said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness." - Surah 18 Verse 86
WHY would Allah mention here what Dhul-Qarnayn saw? What was so special here? Think? Except that Muhammad believed that the earth was flat when he was making up the Quran.
bro. why didn't you read surah 18:85 first? because it undermine your presupposition?
He already explained the wording of the sun setting in minute 7:10
The sweet "miracle" of reinterpretation.
When others do it than they are defending bullshit. When you guys do it than it's just simply stating and explaining the truth lol
Come on brothers, open your eyes and accept the truth.
@@longlivelogic8128 says the guy who can't even find the concept of trinity in his bible.
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:
Allah descends every night to the lowest heaven when one-third of the first part of the night is over and says: I am the Lord; I am the Lord: who is there to supplicate Me so that I answer him? Who is there to beg of Me so that I grant him? Who is there to beg forgiveness from Me so that I forgive him? He continues like this till the day breaks.(Sahih Muslim 758b)
If we take this hadith literally, does this mean that Allah does not leave the near Heaven due to the fact that it is always night somewhere on earth?
Narrated Ibn `Umar:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Sham! O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Yemen." The People said, "And also on our Najd." He said, "O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Sham (north)! O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Yemen." The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! And also on our Najd." I think the third time the Prophet (ﷺ) said, "There (in Najd) is the place of earthquakes and afflictions and from there comes out the side of the head of Satan."(Sahih al-Bukhari 7094)
Does this hadith mean that Muslims living east of this region, for example, in Japan, can perform prayer during the sunrise, since Shaitan's head rises only over the region(Najd) mentioned by the prophet?
Ibn Taymiyyah wrote an explanation of this. Check it out.
صلوا على سيدنا محمد
The biggest problem I have with Islam is its about the sunna of a man, how could following the ways of a regular man bring you closer to God. Prophet Mohammad did man things and his behavior didn't set him apart from the men of that day. The Quran says many confusing things that don't make sense. I liked Farids response, though somewhat a partial response as he basically says, "this is not literal and we don't know what it means for these to prostrate", He does seem honest in that we don't know, but this reflects badly upon the confusing and often times incoherent Hadiths that have to explain a more confusing incoherent Quran. Depending on who you ask you will get difference answer. Islam in the West is very different than Islam is the Middle East.
Because it brings us closer to our fitra, would partying or praying make you more spiritual?
If you think he was a "regular man" go study the seerah bro, don't make assumptions
The only one confused is you, as for the Quran there's nothing confusing about it.
Blame the shortcomings of your deficient "intellect", that is more correct
@@PabloSensei no, but having nine wives, consummating marriage with a 9yr, killing someone for writing bad poems about you, have female sex slaves do not bring you closer to god. These are pleasures of men.
@@baselhakim2080 "Quran there's nothing confusing about it. " Then why does Farid havintg a difficult time explaining the prostrating of the sun. He basically says we can't take it literal and we really don't know what it means for the sun to prostrate, that we should listen to this hadith over that hadith because the Quran doesn't really say. If the Quran wasn't confusing this wouldn't be a topic.
CHALLENGE ACCEPTED.🔥
Al-Kahf 18:77
فَٱنطَلَقَا حَتَّىٰٓ إِذَآ أَتَيَآ أَهْلَ قَرْيَةٍ ٱسْتَطْعَمَآ أَهْلَهَا فَأَبَوْا۟ أَن يُضَيِّفُوهُمَا فَوَجَدَا فِيهَا جِدَارًا يُرِيدُ أَن يَنقَضَّ فَأَقَامَهُۥۖ قَالَ لَوْ شِئْتَ لَتَّخَذْتَ عَلَيْهِ أَجْرًا
So they set out, until when they came to the people of a town, they asked its people for food, but they refused to offer them hospitality. And they "found" therein a wall about to collapse, so he restored it. said, "If you wished, you could have taken for it a payment."
IN THE WORLD WALL ABOUT TO COLLAPSE ONLY HAPPENS IN THAT PLACE ONLY?😂😂😂😂
🔥🔥An-Nur 24:39
وَٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوٓا۟ أَعْمَٰلُهُمْ كَسَرَابٍۭ بِقِيعَةٍ يَحْسَبُهُ ٱلظَّمْـَٔانُ مَآءً حَتَّىٰٓ إِذَا جَآءَهُۥ لَمْ يَجِدْهُ شَيْـًٔا وَوَجَدَ ٱللَّهَ عِندَهُۥ فَوَفَّىٰهُ حِسَابَهُۥۗ وَٱللَّهُ سَرِيعُ ٱلْحِسَابِ
But those who disbelieved - their deeds are like a mirage in a lowland which a thirsty one thinks is water until, when he comes to it, he "finds" it is nothing but finds Allāh before him, and He will pay him in full his due; and Allāh is swift in account.
NO ONE SEE ALLAH BUT SAID FINDS🎉
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HOT SPRINGS ARE PRESENT IN WORLD 🌍
Most hot springs in western Saudi Arabia are associated with the volcanic Harrats, as most springs are situated in areas adjacent to the Harrats towards the Red Sea. Rain water infiltrates the fractures and seeps into the subsurface and accumulates at depths near the magma chamber.
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Mud volcano field of 10 KM WIDE ALSO PRESENT IN THE WORLD 🌍
Does Saudi Arabia have hot springs?
Most hot springs in western Saudi Arabia are associated with the volcanic Harrats, as most springs are situated in areas adjacent to the Harrats towards the Red Sea. Rain water infiltrates the fractures and seeps into the subsurface and accumulates at depths near the magma chamber.
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥REALLY WHAT HAPPENS?
Ya Sin 36:40
لَا ٱلشَّمْسُ يَنۢبَغِى لَهَآ أَن تُدْرِكَ ٱلْقَمَرَ وَلَا ٱلَّيْلُ سَابِقُ ٱلنَّهَارِۚ وَكُلٌّ فِى فَلَكٍ يَسْبَحُونَ
It is not allowable [i.e., possible] for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is "swimming."
ITS SWIMMING..ITS CONTINUOUS PROCESS .. NOT LIKE SUN SET AND ITS GOING TO SLEEP..😆
When the night comes from here, and the day departs from here, and the sun has set, then the fasting person should break his fast.) This is the apparent meaning of the Ayah. Allah's saying:
وَالشَّمْسُ تَجْرِى لِمُسْتَقَرٍّ لَّهَـا ذَلِكَ تَقْدِيرُ الْعَزِيزِ الْعَلِيمِ
(And the sun runs on its fixed course for a term (appointed). That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing) There are two views over the meaning of the phrase
لِمُسْتَقَرٍّ لَّهَـا
(on its fixed course for a term (appointed). ) (The first view) is that it refers to its fixed course of location, which is beneath the Throne, beyond the earth in that direction. Wherever it goes, it is beneath the Throne, it and all of creation, because the Throne is the roof of creation and it is not a sphere as many astronomers claim. Rather it is a dome supported by legs or pillars, carried by the angels, and it is above the universe, above the heads of people. When the sun is at its zenith at noon, it is in its closest position to Throne, and when it runs in its fourth orbit at the opposite point to its zenith, at midnight, it is in its furthest position from the Throne. At that point it prostrates and asks for permission to rise.
This what I found in ibn kathir(36:37-40)
Is this view correct akhi?
Also yusuf said he saw sun,moon and stars prostrating to him. It has to be some kind of metaphor.
That’s completely different. That was a dream.
There's no conflict. Because Prophet Muhammad SAW use "phenological language" instead of mechanistic/module language use by scientists.
Jazakallahu Khair
Thank You for Explaining
That topic bothers me these past few months
The Hindus took Apuss as their new god instead of their Surya dev(Sun God)
*correction
Hindu èxtrèmīsts
@@ypatel1070 Every single hindu is extreme anyone who prostrates to other than Allah is extreme.
@@ismailah4576 that's a hasty generalisation and that's how islamaphobes talk about Muslims.
Even the pagans of Makkah embraced Islam
@@ypatel1070 anyone who prostrates to other than Allah is extreme. People who are extreme can still comeback to the straight path.
Anyone in jahanam is extreme quite simple.
There is example from us when someone can’t prostration because medical issues. as much as he can, even until he prostrates with his heart. So we conclude here that prostration may not be seen even among humans
[Disclaimer: this is my second and last comment thread on this video. Not trying to be a troll. Just wanted my first contestation to be a separate thread from this one 🙃].
My question to the claim that sun's having a setting place in a muddy pool is merely a result of perspective is: whose perspective? Dhool Karnain's, Muhammad's or Allah's? Correct me if I'm wrong, but does Islamic tradition not state that the Quran is the speech, indeed the eternal speech, of Allah? This is why Muslims claim that it contsins literary and scientific miracles - because it comes from the perspective of the all-knowing Allah and not a fallable human being. So then: is the claim that Dhool Karnain reached the setting place of the sun - a muddy pool near which a people lived - not the speech of Allah from the perspective of the all-knowing Allah? If so, how could Allah's perspective be so clearly and objectively wrong given the knowledge He is supposed to have?
If your response here is that of Farid's in the video, I.e. that the passage is not meant to be taken literally, please see my other comment. Basically, I do not see how Abou Dhar's response that "Allah and His Apostle know best" is sufficient evidence that the resting / setting place of the sun according to this Surah is not meant to be taken literally.
I mean what kinda sufficient evidence do you need? This event occurred after the verse about the sun setting in a murky spring the campanions didnt say yeah it goes to a murky spring they said Allah and his apostle know best so they didn't take the verse as an answer about where the sun sets and didn't they didn't take it literally.
Yes, it's the speech of Allah, and Allah simply says that Dhul Qarnain found the sun setting in muddy water, in his perspective.
I think you just made a big deal over nothing.
@@quarantinejet2312 no I have not made a big deal over nothing. Because you've just added "in his perspective" out of thin air. Where is that in the Quran? You can't add to historical text and then interpret it. Thats eisegesis as opposed to exegesis - a big no-no if you're attempting to conduct proper scholarship.
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Yes, you did make a big deal over nothing, and I'll show it to you.
Okay, "eyufsdggdryg as opposed to the exegeeniousblseffsd." Putting jargon aside, let's look at the facts.
"Until, when *he reached* the setting of the sun, *he found it* [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. Allah said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness."
- Sahih International
"Till, when *he reached* the setting-place of the sun, *he found it* setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness." - Pickthall
"Until, when *he reached* the setting of the sun, *he found it* set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."
"Until when *he reached* the place where the sun set, *he found it* going down into a black sea, and found by it a people. We said: O Zulqarnain! either give them a chastisement or do them a benefit." - Shakir
"to the West where *he found the sun* setting into a warm source (spring) of water and a people living near by. *We asked him,* "Dhu 'l-Qarnayn, you may punish them or treat them with kindness?" - Muhammad Sarwar
"Until, when *he reached* the setting place of the sun, *he found it* setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people. We (Allah) said (by inspiration): "O Dhul-Qarnain! Either you punish them, or treat them with kindness." - Mohsin Khan
Do you notice now? Who's "he"? It's Dhul Qarnain, the verse is specifically telling a story about his journey and points out that he himself saw the sun setting in a muddy spring, he saw it. The Quran did not affirm it as literal.
I think I've answered your question, this conversation should end here.
@@quarantinejet2312 The jargon was to make a valid point. Even though you mocked the jargon, it seems you got the point which is all that matters to me 👍. While you may feel the conversation is over, I will proceed to making my counterpoint, regardless, to the benefit of the interested reader in this comment section :).
So it seems there are two variables to consider at this point:
1) whose perspective this passage was written from?
2) whether it is supposed to be taken literally or figuratively
On point 1, I maintain that this story is told from Allah's perspective in the same way stories about Abraham, Moses and Jesus in the Quran are spoken from Allah's perspective. Just because a story is about Dhool Karnain, it does not follow that the story is told from Dhooll Karnain. Certainly, there is only one author supposedly - Allah - who did not use other's perspectives to curate what He supposdly revealed to Muhammad. If you make the claim that Allah does speak through the perspective of others, it brings into question the eternity of the Quran (a rabbit hole no Muslim wants to go into)
On point 2, I take the position that literature have to be taken literally *as an initial stance* and then textual evidence (i.e. the literary style, historical and cultural context, perspectives, etc) has to be presented to move the reader to a more figurative and metaphoric understanding of the text. Farid tried to use the Hadith where Abou Dhar says "Allah and His Apostle know best". I have explained above and in my above thread why this evidence is rather weak and can actually be used to support the opposing view to what you and Farid are positing.
Commenting for algorithms.
this video was there before, it must be the work of imam murrah the time traveler..
I learned that Imam Murrah is a Christian.
Yes, we know things prostrate to Allah almighty, but we don’t know how they prostrate. This is a part of the unseen that we believe in after we have believed firmly in the source, which the Quran and the authentic hadiths.
أَلَمْ تَرَ أَنَّ ٱللَّهَ يَسْجُدُ لَهُۥ مَن فِى ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَمَن فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ وَٱلشَّمْسُ وَٱلْقَمَرُ وَٱلنُّجُومُ وَٱلْجِبَالُ وَٱلشَّجَرُ وَٱلدَّوَآبُّ وَكَثِيرٌ مِّنَ ٱلنَّاسِ ۖ وَكَثِيرٌ حَقَّ عَلَيْهِ ٱلْعَذَابُ ۗ وَمَن يُهِنِ ٱللَّهُ فَمَا لَهُۥ مِن مُّكْرِمٍ ۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ يَفْعَلُ مَا يَشَآءُ ۩ (الحج - 18)
This video is pre recorded and got uploaded today because it took Apuss 3 years to make a response
I already knew about this video as you explained this to me in the DM months ago 😁
"Prostration" sun and tree means its obey "law from Allah" upon them. Sun will keep doing "their job" and tree doing "their job" as order(allowed) by Allah. Allah know best and His the most merciful
Brother Farid, it would have been great to include the same hadith narrated from Abu Dharr in As Sunan Abu Dawood (3991) which states the Sun setting in a spring of murky water. There are reasons why this narration is underwhelming compared to the one mentioned and the video should have addressed it before that special someone comes up with it.
He already admitted that it is a weak hadith after I corrected him on it.
That hadith is Weak or Hasan at best because
1- The chain contains al-Hakam ibn ‘Utaybah (infact he is the only narrator of this version) and here's what the scholars said about him :
"although he was trustworthy - was described by an-Nasaa’i as mudallis [i.e., he used vague wording to give a wrong impression] in Dhikr al-Mudalliseen (no. 11). Ibn Hibbaan said: He used to engage in tadlees. End quote from ath-Thiqaat (4/144). None of those who narrated his hadeeth said that he clearly stated that he heard it from the previous narrator; rather they all said that his report included the word ‘an (from - instead of ‘I heard’, etc). Ibn Hajar mentioned him in Maraatib al-Mudalliseen in the second rank of mudalliseen (p. 30), who are the ones whose tadlees the imams (leading scholars) tolerated and from whom they narrated reports that they regarded as sound, because of their prominence and because they rarely engaged in tadlees compared to others, such as ath-Thawri; or (it was tolerated) because they did not use engage in tadlees except when narrating from a trustworthy source, such as Ibn ‘Uyaynah. The fact that this report is contrary to the report narrated by the trustworthy narrators confirms the possibility that tadlees occurred in this hadeeth in particular. "
2- The version of the Throne is much more popular and narrated within the most trusted sources like Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim.
3- The story could not have happened twice so one of the two versions is true, so far the most authentic one was about the Throne.
@@FaridResponds Just curiosity, do you even believed what you are teaching or just a cultural/traditional belief you that you have to defend regardless how irrational it may sound, ie sun set in a murky water.
@@defendthefaith2415 what's more irrational is the fact that you brought a topic that has long been refuted and is actually hilarious to refute.
@@mainulhaq7603 How has been refuted?
جزاك الله خيرا
وعليكم السلام
Sajda of every makhloq ( creation) is unique to that creation.
It's a stupidity to Compare the Sajda of Sun with the Sajda of muslims and make objections .
idk, why people take things like this as literal. All this sounds metaphorical to me. Especially when the Arabs was known for their poetry at that time. they probably even use poetry whenever they bump their head on something.
Of all the arguments this is the best apus can get?
Apus - " I can't understand this Hadith so Islam is wrong" .
Jazak Allah kheir
Mind blowing explanation ❤️
MAY ALLAH REWARD YOU
Do any classical scholars agree with this view?
If he didn't quote any so the answer is obvious...
This is what you get when are blinded by the greek & devil's studies of astronomy which has nothing to do with the reality & how Allah described it. So here you have muslims rejecting the words of Allah to believe shaytan's...
@@bouterelfo9439 so throne of Allah under Earth?? You fool!!
@@bouterelfo9439 He is referencing Hadith. Also muslim also did astronomy in the past and studied our universe, for you to say we reject Allahs words and follow shaytan is you doing takfir on the whole ummah. Fear Allah Authobillah
@@asif8224 Akhi can you use capital A for Allah to show respect since it is his name
@@kaymenm2175 Ok
Thank you brother
One person in hadith asks where the sun goes at sunset. In the other hadith someone asks during sunset where the sun goes. Clearly this is in context of the belief that the sun goes away at night. So where does the sun go during sunset?
Even in the historical context people believed the sun moves at night to create the night rather than earth's rotation so it only makes sense 1400 year old Islam restates that belief and doesn't mention earth's rotation since that was not known yet.
But the Quran is perfect and eternal how could the Quran not know?
@@TetrahedronIX "the sun 'goes'" isn't entirely wrong, movements are relative
@@luthfimuhammad3068 In context of the sun goes away at night as the text clearly indicates.
Firstly, I appreciate the willingness to say 'I do not know' to the point regarding what is meant by the sun prostrating under Allah's throne. Too many apologists on this platform either don't respond to points they are ignorant about or dig themselves deeper intellectual holes with their offhand responses.
But, i do have a point of contention which I'm hoping Muslims in the comment section or maybe even Farid can address. In the video (around 1:20), Farid claims that Abu Dharr saying "Allah and His Apostle know best" is evidence that contemporaneous readers of the Quran did not interpret the murky spring passage literally. I need that line of reason to be fleshed out a bit more because to me, the answer "Allah and His messenger know best" is simply an appeal to Allah and Muhammad as the authorities on this question. That answer sheds no light on how the murky spring passage is to be interpreted. To know what the authorities (Allah and Muhammad) think about this matter, you would have to go to the Quran - which is the source of the confusion this hadith supposedly clears up. Beyond this response from Abu Dharr, Muhammad does not touch on the location of the sun when it has gone / set, rather on what it does when it gone / set (I.e. ask for permission to prostrate).
In summary, the question: "What is meant by the sun going / setting somewhere?" is still open. The hadith neither affirms a literal or metaphoric view of this Quran verse (it seems) - rather it deflects to the Quran verse and moves on to another matter (I.e. that of the sun's prostration).
I have more to say on the semantics around "sets" and "goes" that Farid touches on in the end but I'm keen to chat about my above contention
It even says the sun goes to it's resting place. Exactly in the historical context of people believing the sun moves rather than earth that rotates. Quite astonishing how also the historical context is ignored completely.
@@djaxx587 Exactly. While we have historical context of what people believed about the sun in 7th century and plain reading of the Quranic text to conclude that it is more probable that Allah was making an objective claim on the nature of the sun's movement (and was wrong), muslim apologists choose to ignore occam's razor and multiply assumptions about what "Allah and his Apostle know best" means to prove that the setting place of the sun in the muddy pool is not literal.
The only way to save this argument is to appeal to the literary style of the text for a reason why we should interpret it figuratively. But that case has not been made so I am assuming it is weaker than this argument
Where did your brain go, when trying to figure out where the sun goes?
Akhi when you give explanations like this please give it accordingly to scholarly opinion. Cite your sources because you're not a scholar to be giving your own tafsir.
@@thefightingprophet. nope that's not what I'm talking about
About Sun Going under the earth
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Direction and position is relative in space. If someone from a space station looks at earth while his feet is towards the earth then it will seem to him that the earth is under him. But If he looks at earth while his head is closer to earth it will seem to him as if the earth is above him.
So when someone is looking at the sun while it is setting. The sun is actually going under the earth and under him relatively.
There is no absolute direction in space. So the statement "sun going under earth" is true even if you take it literally. It just depends on the spectator's position.
@@thefightingprophet. (Part 1)
If you try to find problem then everything will seem problematic. For example, if I say "the sun rises in the east" You will say the sun never rises nor sets so the sentence is false.
“Have We not made The earth as a wide Expanse, And the mountains as pegs?” [Al Qur’aan 78:6-7]
Do you know that most of the part of a mountain is under the earth just like a peg? We came to know this recently through modern geology but Quran was written 1400 years ago.
You have to admit that mountains have a direct connection with the stability of earth's surface. People did not know this 1400 years ago.
But what you're saying is that mountain is the result of shaking. I can say that if mountains were not created during an unstable situation (like plates colliding) the earth would have shook more. This mechanism was created by God just like all other mechanism were created to protect the Earth. Not to mention what goes on in the unseen we don't know that.
Earth as a flat bed
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Earth's surface is suitable for human to reside in. Not all the planets have smooth surface like earth. So comparing it to flat bed makes sense. Secondly, Do you know that many Islamic scholars said that the earth is a sphere based on a Quranic Ayat? And it was long before it was discovered that the earth is a sphere.
@@thefightingprophet. (Part 2)
Why are you pre-supposing that the prophet (peace be upon him) should've talked in the language of 21st century science and should have given an information that you would like to hear?
You are thinking that if he said this in that way it would have been a miracle. But Quran already made mention of many other miracles. But are you now a muslim? Of course not.
The goal of the prophet was not to give scientific information. But his goal was to make us know knowledge of the unseen and to let us know our ultimate purpose of life.
Imagine this, for the people who lived 1400 years ago if they were told about blackhole. This information would have been useless for them and too difficult for them to perceive.
But the companions of the prophet would have still believed it. But for them believing in blackhole is same as believing in Paradise. Because they cannot get any proof for neither of this.
But if you were among them would you have believed it? Answer is, No.
Just like you don't believe in paradise now, you wouldn't have believed in blackhole then without any proof.
So giving this information wouldn't have helped you to accept Islam rather many others like you would have turned away from Islam by saying that, "Islam teaches nonsense like Blackhole".
@@thefightingprophet.
(Part 3)
The science that we know is not perfect. We did not get absolutely every knowledge of the universe.
God encouraged us to seek for the perceivable knowledge of the universe and contemplate on it. So that we may understand beauty and complexity of God's creation. And we may get a idea about the power of God and so that we may glorify him.
But you have to understand perceivable knowledge is not everything. We don't know what goes on in the unseen or how this universe works in the unseen.
We only see that there is gravity. But we take it for granted because it is just there by default. But why is there any force like gravity? Do we have an answer for this.
Moreover, every scientific knowledge that we have right now may change. Quantum mechanics can change our discoveries of science so far. It may change our perception of the world. The information that you are thinking is true now, may become false in 23rd century.
So why are expecting that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) should have only explained the world in the understanding of us (the people of 21st century)?
@@thefightingprophet. "Wouldn't it have been so miraculous if he told his followers ...and our earth revolves around it?" Look how you've made a mistake because of your limited human perception. There are no revolving going on. Every motion in the universe is relative. If you fix the earth then it will seem the space revolves around earth. If you fix the sun then the space revolves around sun. As we haven't seen the edge of the space so we can't say for sure how it works ultimately.
@@thefightingprophet. The God said in the Quran everything in the universe is under god's throne. So why did the prophet say that the sun goes under the throne of God to seek his permission. If you take it literally its like saying God's throne is under earth. But that is not the case because of the Ayat of Quran. But If we combine these two it seems the sun is continuously asking for God's permission to rise for a specific nation. Again this is something that is from the knowledge of unseen and we don’t know exactly how it occurs.
Like I said if I say to you that the sun sets in the west you will find problem in this too if you take it literally. If you try to find problem you will always find one.
There are plenty of prophecies that came true, just look it up.
Again You cannot expect god to reveal to you specific information that you want to know. Then every generation will demand so. We only know what is revealed to us by God. The wisdom behind is unknown to us.
Every issue that you raise about Islam can be debunked. You just have to look for the explanations. Why dont you put the same effort that you use to disprove Islam.
How about you start a bottom to top approach. Start with what are the logica behind existance of God? If there is a religion to worship God what are the options? What are the miracles of Islam that supports Islam's claim to be the truth? How the islamic scholars debunked the issues raised aginast Islam?
Then you can start with your own argument of why Islam is false?
May Allah guide you to the right path.
All of the creation prostrates to Allah, how we don't know we know how we prostrate.
We know for a fact that the Throne is above creation and Allah is above the Throne above all of the creation.
There is literally 0 things wrong with it, Apuss the idiot after all also believe the Sun sets and rises , now does this mean the Sun literally sets and rises no, but from our perspective it does.
@@Wabbelpaddel You see trees as if they are doing nothing but they grew to that point and are with life. Even for example a stone, it's created from matter and even if you would see it under a microscope it's full of life be it with bacteria etc.
@SUN SHINE It's him.
@@Wabbelpaddel You m0r0n, youre assuming Stone prostrating is physical.
The Quran actually mentions how things prostrate through their shadows when their shadows stretch out and bow down on the floor. This occurs twice a day when shadows are the longest in the early morning and late afternoon/early evening when the sun is low in the sky. SubhanAllahil Azeem! This is actually mentioned in Surah Nahl verse 48:
"Have they not considered what things Allāh has created? Their shadows incline to the right and to the left, prostrating to Allāh, while they [i.e., those creations] are humble."
So mountains and trees prostrate twice a day when their shadows stretch out on the floor in the early morning and early evening (Asr). Another interesting fact is that the 2 most important Salahs are Fajr and Asr and that Musa AS ummah had only 2 salahs 2 pray; Fajr & Asar.
@@Wabbelpaddelu Christian?
I think that a better interpretation of the sun rising from the west is the sun itself moving around the earth, since the earth changing its direction would cause immense catastrophes
Might be, but it's definitely a supernatural miraculous phenomenon, not a natural one. I think God wouldn't let natural disasters to happen
@@agncxrx Fair
Alhamdullilah 🌞
Farid in regards to the sun rising from the west there is another option. That is the magnetic poles switching. If the magnetic poles switch the sun would rise from the west.
No one observe that sun goes anywhere ever
Selamunaleykum, What is meant by "as if being ordered"? In minute 3:50. Allah orders it and than the sun set from west. Why is it sayin as if in the hadeeth? Its clear that is gonna happen, why the wording "as if". I dont understand it, please clear me up
7:53 Hey Farid. This is dishonest man. Look one line above what you’re reading.
“When the sun had set, the Prophet said, ‘O Abu Dharr! Do you know where this (sun) goes?’”
Don’t ignore the context as you always say.
The first one was telling you that the event was happening in the time of sunset and what you need to focus on here to understand the huge difference is the question of where does the sun set not at what time was this question been asked focus focus focus focus focus focus and take a book of logic ie argument to enhance your critical thinking ability
@@jonathandv-xn4ut The context matters. If the prophet is asking Abu Dharr about where THIS (sun) goes, he’s clearly pointing at the sun “leaving” from the view as it sets. That’s the context. The sun disappears from the sky and the prophet asks Abu Dharr if he knows where this sun goes. Imagine if he asked it in the middle of the day. You can’t see the sun’s orbit in the galaxy so why would the prophet ask that question if he meant that type of movement? The most simple answer is that he’s explaining where the sun goes after it sets. That’s why the time is mentioned. Occam’s Razor my friend. That’s logic.
@@lianabu7622 bruh
This is literally what I was telling you
The movement the prophet is referring to is from our point of view 🤦♂️
There is literally nothing problematic
A perspectival phenomenological phrase
@@M7md-3la2 Please clarify your point. The Hadith says that the sun goes somewhere. It happened to be at sunset. Is he talking about the movement of our sun in the galaxy or is he talking about the sunset that is happening right at that moment? If he’s talking about the sun’s movement in the galaxy, we cannot see that as we are moving at the same speed as the sun in that particular orbit. In our perspective on Earth, the sun doesn’t move but we do (spinning on an axis). If you believe in that interpretation, please support it. Otherwise, there is more than enough reason to think that the prophet meant the sun setting rather than the sun’s orbit around the galaxy.
@@lianabu7622 you literally didn't get it
I am talking about
The sun setting from our perspective right?
He is telling the guy beside him
Where is that going? (Referring to the sun that is leaving from their perspective)
Therefore going is talking about the sun going from the perspective below the horizon
There is NOTHING problematic in that at all
I am not talking about galaxies now
1:23 maybe he forgot the verse ot never heard it. Maybe the chnological order of the traditional narrative is slightly innacurate (at least in this case)
nice explanation!! ✌️
Thanks man
When Farids explanation is better than Mohammeds, wouldn't that just mean allah and his messengers dont know best - farid knows better.
Hahaha so funny. Silly clown
@@maryamxd3626 but if it was otherwise then there would be no need for farid to explain things on youtube. So does he know better?
Its not Farids fault if you and Apuss have the mental capacity of a 4 year old and misunderstand something. The companions were sincere people and understood the Prophet clearly. However we have to deal with Apuss fangirls are dumb down everything to you
@@tahahagar7664 early muslims thought for centuries that earth is flat with what mohammed has left them with (until nonmuslims found out its not)
Because they did not doubt what he telled them
@@Kramer_. inform yourself about the Islamic whale wich carries the flat earth on his back to be found in islams early tafsirs.
When muslims always knew the earth to be round, why havent it been muslims discovering it.
And nothing you say actually solves the problem that allah ans his messenger need proper explanations for their eternal guidance. If a guidance needs explanation it means that guidance failed.
Like you would need a instruction how to read your instruction to build a desk you bought.
جزاك الله خيرا
Great explanation. However one of your explanations regarding sun rising from the west was the earth may turn otherway. If the earth was to stop spinning suddenly it would literally destroy everything on earth.
i mean wouldn't the sun moving from its place amd going around the earth have some consequences? it is the end times after all and by the time the sun rises from the west multiple supernatural events already happened.
The hadith is talking about end times
Mate read about how the magnetic field of the earth flips every .........years
I know a little bit of english so i can't understand what he says...
Can anyone translate in tamil and say it shortly please ❤
Jazakumullah khair
Farid deflects
Just what the hell are you talking about? You people are absolutely hopeless.
Murky water could be referring to water under the throne of Allah?
Ooof Farid. You messed up big time. Watch ap's reaction to your accusations.
Oh? You actually believe that he removed one second for the sake of brevity?
@@FaridResponds lol. Still doesn't get it.
@@djaxx587
Explain what the issue is rather than just claim it's a strawman.
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like this..Please make subtitle available for all video...
This video we didn't deserve it
But we need it the most
just a piece of correction, in Surah Rehman, al najmu wal shajaru yasjudaan, here al najm doesn't mean star, it means a climber or creeper because it is paired with shajaru which means a tree or plant . correct me if iam wrong. jazaak Allah khairan
Who told you this??
@@ziasmailbox 6) And the stars and trees prostrate.[1593]
[1593]- They submit obediently to the laws of Allāh. See 22:18. An additional meaning of "najm" is vegetation of a kind without a trunk, stalk or stem.
its in Saheeh international
@@Abu-Hudhud Did rasulullah sallahualaihiwasallam said that it means vegetation in surah Rahman? ??
@@ziasmailbox I don't know bro, its in the sahih international translation. Its the most authentic translation in Saudi Arabia Quran. We need to see Authentic Ahadees related to this topic.
Mashallah
The word praised to the sun is usually from Christian themselves, there meme pictures where a man wearing crusader armour said praised the sun
How do we interpret the "direction" of the throne according to the latter explanation?
Does it mean the "real up" of the throne is in the direction where milky way is heading right now??
Allah knows best or in whatever way it suits Allah's majesty, as even what we consider up is subjevtive depending on which part of the planet your on and it may be that Allahs highness transcends our understanding of highness
no, it means the same as what Ibrahīm meant "I am going to my Lord"
In our solar system for instance, the gravitational bottom is the sun itself, towards which all matter is falling. Above the Sun, there are Mercury, Venus, then the Earth. Technically, Venus, Mercury and the Sun are below the Earth. Similarily, our entire solar system is revolving around a gravitational bottom within the milky way which is comprised of billions of stars and other planetary systems.
Bro ur making it harder and more complicated for yourself. The hadith doesnt even talk about the direction of the throne. The throne of All encompasses the heavens and earth ie. Universe
You miss the point man
wa aleikom Assalaam wa rahmatuLlah wa barakatuH
is the sky a solid object tho? Were they to see a piece of the sky falling (on them), they would (only) say: ‘Clouds gathered in heaps’.” (at-Tur, 52:44) how do we interpret this
Thanks you Mujahid... Plz reply I want to tell you about part of sky....bcoz Quran say literally same thing .. If Quran saying part of sky.. Mean literally part of sky.. No other meaning...
The explanations get increasingly convoluted and desperate. The authors of Islam simply never understood how day and night works. It's why you have these Qur'an/hadith issues about where the sun goes, why you have hadith that have Allah descending to the lowest heavens to whisper at a certain time of night (although its always that time of night somewhere in the world), it's why there are inhabited parts of the world where you simply can't fast without starving to death (people in those places are forced to use innovations to work around it). This issue isn't going to go away anytime soon.
He explained it pretty not sure who is the desperate one here lol.
I haven't seen anyone dying because of fasting, haha
Human needs revelations from Allah to be guided because Allah creates each human with faculties of intellect and freedom, everything else is submitted to Allah by its natural inclination like the Sun and alike. Allah guidance to humans is Islam part of it implementing Sharia Law, in Arabic means the righteous path.
Islam literal meaning is Submission [to God]" and considers everything, non-human, in the world as a Muslim from this perspective, that follows the path that is set by Allah as he said:"The seven heavens and the earth and whatever is in them exalt Him. And there is not a thing except that it exalts [Allah] by His praise, but you do not understand their [way of] exalting. Indeed, He is ever Forbearing and Forgiving." [Quran 17:44] Everything like trees, oceans, earth, galaxies .. etc follows the causality principle because Allah is fair and just in making this world understandable to us. Since Allah empowers human with intellect and freedom, Allah wants human to put efforts to believe, not blindly, by seeing Allah's signs: "We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. But is it not sufficient concerning your Lord that He is, over all things, a Witness?" [Quran41:53] .
Allah gives the human the capability to observe and deduce laws, so human can exploit it to fulfill his role in Earth as the Quran said: "Is He [not best] who responds to the desperate one when he calls upon Him and removes evil and makes you inheritors of the earth? Is there a deity with Allah? Little do you remember." [Quran 6:62], "And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority." They said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?" Allah said, "Indeed, I know that which you do not know." [Quran 2:30]
Finally, Allah is almighty that anything mentioned in the Quran regarding its willing has to be qualified with expressions indicate Allah omnipresence and almighty, nothing ever happens in the universe unless He wants so, Allah said: "And He has subjected for you [Human] the night and day and the sun and moon, and the stars are subjected by His [Allah] command. Indeed in that are signs for a people who reason." [Quran 16:12]
حدثنا ابن حُميد، قال: ثنا تميم بن عبد المؤمن، عن زبرقان، عن أبي رزين وسعيد ( وَالنَّجْمُ وَالشَّجَرُ يَسْجُدَانِ ) قالا ظلهما سجودهما.
قال بعضهم: عني بالنجم في هذا الموضع من النبات: ما نجم من الأرض، مما ينبسط عليها، ولم يكن على ساق مثل البقل ونحوه.
وقال آخرون: عُنِي بالنجم في هذا الموضع: نجم السماء.
أولى القولين في ذلك بالصواب قول من قال: عُنِي بالنجم: ما نجم من الأرض من نبت لعطف الشجر عليه، فكان بأن يكون معناه لذلك: ما قام على ساق وما لا يقوم على ساق يسجدان لله، بمعنى: أنه تسجد له الأشياء كلها المختلفة الهيئات من خلقه، أشبه وأولى بمعنى الكلام من غيره.
One of the reasons that made me leave islam. Still didn't get a proper answer to this.
1) so you are saying that the correct words of prophet are "do you know where the sun goes?". Not "...sun sets". But It doesn't matter if he said "sun goes" or "sun sets". Becoz it is already clear from the context that prophet is referring to sun going somewhere after it had set as It is mentioned in the hadith that he asked this when the sun had set meaning he thought that what appears to us as sun moving around the earth is actually the reality.
2) secondly you didn't even address other hadiths that talk about this in greater detail. how convenient! It is clearly mentioned in sahih Muslim 159a or bukhari 3199 how prophet is describing that sun moves around the earth everyday rising from the east by taking permission from allah and setting in the west.
The sun going somewhere?
Of course. it is said that the sun is moving at 200 km/s
@@suryaadi404 @Surya Adi what does the sun going around the centre of the Milky way has to do with sunrise and sunset?
@@agnosticdude7557 the video clearly states that people in Arabia used to prostrate to the sun at the time of sunset
@@agnosticdude7557 did you not asking the question where the sun goes?
Because im inferring from your statement that you dont believe the sun is going anywhere?
@@agnosticdude7557 oo and by the way, do you believe that the universe is expanding?