All I can say is Thank goodness for great Drummers that have come and gone if not for them there would be no blueprints to drumming and to the gentleman would made the comment about Sonny's finances Number one sometimes musicians were not as frugal with there money as they should have been and number two for a person to love and respect you to take care of your medical and burial says a lot for the character in the man we aint all perfect or lucky.
I've performed on drums since being a child star at 12 in 47. So naturally sought out and dug them all. The biggest difference is Sonny is playing the rhythms my heart wants to express. Even now typing, I hear/see his message. Rich with all he could say on drums seemed seldom to be saying anything other than, "See how great I am...see all I can do!, me, me, me!" whereas this cat is bringing to life the eternal muse of rhythm.
The only way I can talk about drummers is not about better and bet, rather... sonnyayne, there was never anyone better. He's just such a great mix of his influence.myou can see Joe Jones in there. But sych a lot of music going through his head while he's playing. You continually hear this great arrangement of this Belson tune. God, we love you, Sonny Zpayn!
Love Sonny, dynamics, energy, musicianship, showmanship, he had it all. 1000 dollars a week back then would be equivalant to making over 5 grand a week today. Good money for a great drummer.
What a great player he was simply marvellous technique and stick tricks better than anyone. I think his excitement when playing occasionally got him to get a little ahead of the band phrases but what the hell such a fantastic drum star.
Superb! Sonny was a great swinger and an extraordinary showman. He was also a kind man. Love the chart. Also love how great the band sounds. Thanks very much for sharing these extremely rare clips.
I have a copy of a signed contract between Harry and Sonny. Sonny was paid $1000 a week with James, same as Buddy made. Sonny was indeed the drummer on Sinatra at the Sands!
OMG! I'm so glad to finally see some good footage of Sonny, although it's nothing like seeing him live, ironically the resolution of the video technology then couldn't capture the stuff on the inside that he was playing. But this is the best I've seen so far on RUclips. Thank you! Obviously Harry James Knew talent when he heard it, because he had two of the greatest drummers of all time, Sonny and Buddy
brilliant clip, thank you..for me sonny had to be one of the best big band drummer of all time. Class! brough things to chats that Rich and Bellson could never bring...
Thanx for a clip of a truly remarkable drummer.I took lessons with Ed Shaughnessy in NYC,and other than Buddy Rich and Louie Bellson ,he LOVED Sonny Payne,saw him as a genius.Very musical.
Amazing technique- Based on pure optics, he could have challenged any drummer in a drum battle. Incredibly fast hands & a super human left foot on the the hi-hat.---
Your 40 year quest was worth the effort, Chuck. This is one of the finest and most expressive drum solos that I've ever heard, and the music world is poorer now that this great drum artist has passed. Thank you for making this available to us all.
Wonderful to have news about Sonny. I saw him with Basie at The Festival Hall, London in 1958 and always wondered what happened to Sonny. Basie did have some very good drummers after Sonny - but Sonny was very special and set down the reference for big band drumming. Buddy Rich was as great, but did a "little too much drumming" and also didn't have the Basie Band to play with. Basie did have drummers who were great drummers, but played WITH the band as Butch Miles for example.
Sonny used to sit in with my trio in Hollywood, CA. He played stunning solos but could not keep simple, straight time on regular tunes! We had to do stuff he could handle and then let him do his solos. The guy was EXTREMELY LIMITED! Oh well........ :(
Hi Chuck! WOW, Rare footage here, to see it in color is a blast! I love Harry James, even more so now after reading what you wrote above! A true and amazing friendship there! It looks like Sonny was playing a piccolo! Very cool, I have and use one on special occasions. What was it? Do you know? I always loved Sonny's solos, they were always straight forward. Loved his energy, and snare drum rudiments. Just love it. Thanks Chuck! Really enjoyed it!
Thank's Chuck! I was so inspired that I decided to go back to playing and posting solos. If your not already, please subscribe so you can see the new solos I'll be posting. If not I'll drop you a link every now and then to share. I have couple of solos I just did today. Reviewing and processing them now... Stay tuned!
If you mean Buddy Rich..Buddy had his OWN band & made very good money. Not sure what Sonny made but it couldn't have been much. I understand Harry James paid for his medical bills when he finally died of pneumonia in his early 50's. Buddy knew of Sonny & liked him. Frank Sinatra did too from working with Count Basie & Sonny played for Frank for awhile. According to Wiki Sonny is on drums on Frank's big live LP success "Live at the Sands" which I have & it sounds like Payne to me & it's great!
Nah!, don't be foolish. Listen to Buddy Rich play brushes on his version of "Swinging In A Hammock" from "The New One" (1967). In addition; Why do you view art as a contest?
Personally I prefer Sonny's drumming to Buddy Rich's. I think Sonny had an incredible, natural "feel", if you will, for swing-- and he has such colorful, dynamic expression in all his fills, solos, etc. For all his greatness Buddy sometimes sounded to me like he was trying to ram the kit into the stage floor.(Let me now put on my flame retardant suit--cause the vitriol is coming my way any minute now LOL!!)
nyterpfan I personally agree, Rich was great but Sonny had that "feel" that was undeniable and I found his work very crisp, colorful and dynamic as you stated. And he drove a band like no other.
nyterpfan I'm completely with you! Cats are programmed to say Buddy is the greatest...I certainly was for the longest until I got hip to Mr. Payne. No doubt 'Rich could do darn near supernatural things with his hands, his feel was lacking for the most part in that the groove didn't breathe. I personally wish that Payne got more credit for his contribution the Big Band art form. To me, he's the "Tony Williams" of it in the sense that he was able to use the entire range of the kit as well as deal with the creative space in ways nobody else was really doing. Ain't nobody seeing Sonny.
+nyterpfan Totally agree 100% with you and the other gents who feel the same way. Nothing personal against Buddy, but I am just totally blown away by Sonny in this very rare clip. Thank you so much for giving us drummers something to enjoy, and to sit back in amazement at Sonny's virtuosity and just raw talent. If Sonny had been given the exposure Buddy Rich got, maybe some of the commenters would feel different. I grew up on Buddy, Louis and Gene. I didn't discover Sonny Payne, that is, actually SEEING him play (thanks to RUclips) until several years ago. Heard him with Basie and others, but this.....this is THE SHIT. Go Sonny Go!!!!! Man....how can you top this?
Thank you for this rare clip! I once shared a bottle of wine w Sonny backstage at a James gig. I almost got a lesson w him, but he soon died. Very friendly, cool person. Is there a clearer video of this, without those glaring lights? The audio is superb!!! from "Professor Swing"
Sonny was in a class by himself. The tune, Apples, written for Louis Bellson, was also covered by Buddy, and the differences are striking. It's fascinating to listen to Sonny's tune, and the audio portion of this really opens your eyes. What passion he showed when he played! While not the absolute technical dynamo that BR was, he carved an envious spot between his idols. Check out the riser, too - gotta love it. Sonny went too soon.
This is God, He just thinks He's Sonny Payne. If you're carefully listening, you hear the tune being played all the way. James, who by the way was also a fine drummer I saw in action, knows right where the tune is and brings the band in on ONE exactly.
Great video. I read someplace that Sinatra said Payne was his favorite drummer and I think Sinatra said this because of the way Payne played - how he propelled the band. Anyone who wants to hear why Sinatra liked the way he played behind him and how he propelled the band and inspired its soloists should check out a video here at you tube - Lambert Hendricks and Ross - Arigin.
Harry was in awe over Buddy Rich, because he saw in Buddy his equal. However, Harry thought Sonny and Jackie Mills were the best drummers for the band he ever had.
Sonny was a great drummer, i could do without the flashy stick tricks, but Sonny was a master showman and it was his style. In a quote from one of his 3 direct to disc albums Harry James said that Les Demerle was the best drummer he ever had. Sometimes band leaders like a certain style in thier drummers that doesn't necessarily translate into technical greatness. Like Benny Goodman always said that Gene Krupa was his drummer even though others were maybe technically better.
Not the legendary status perhaps because Gene & Buddy came before Sonny? Don't understand why he didn't get the notoriety. & never found his technique sloppy.---an entertainer on the drums but,unlike Rich, not much of a personality away from the drums----just a guess.
Great sound and playing . Beautiful kit. Does anyone know what it was. One of those great players that was very underrated. Certainly up with the best, except Buddy.
You guys are kidding right? Buddy vs Sonny in terms of speed and ability. Buddy beats this guy out of the gate SO easily. Secondly this tempo is way slower than the speed that two recorded times on Buddy's albums lol Some of these comments are really amusing. Sonny's a good player but he's definitely not as fast as Buddy
SONNY WAS A GREAT DRUMMER, BUT LIKE THE GREAT STAN LEVY ONCE SAID, "WHEN BUDDY STARTED TO PLAY,HE MADE ALL US DRUMMERS LOOK LIKE CHILDREN" END OF QUOTE.
I don't care about what Stan Levy said and who spoke about white drummers... Buddy Rich was certainly the greatest white drummer (with Louie Bellson ) but he was certainly not greatest than Chick Webb, Jo Jones, Cosy Cole, Sidney Catlett, Max Roach, Elvin Jones, Kenny Clarke, Sam Woodyard and Sonny Payne !!!!!
Wow this guy could drum up a storm alright, tho a little messy and wild at times he sure could give Buddy a run for his money. If it's power precision and command you're after then then Buddy Rich wins hands down every time, sorry guys that's just the way it is.
Sonny is good but i find that he is a sloppy drummer nothing is crisp clear cut....that is 1 thing Buddy did when he played he was crisp precise clear fast dynamics etc he had it all and that is why Buddy stands alone..... and he could pull a solo at any tempo and keep that momentum....and we are still trying to figure how he did ..... Tunes to listen to..Ruth, Diablolus, Time Being, Chanel 1 Suite, West Side story extended version....thats for you to listen and try out ....
whats funny is that is those are the reasons we like each of them. I love sonny;s loose swingin feel. I like buddy's thing to. But i like a little looser thing though. I like the way sonny swung more than buddy. Thats just me.
Sonny Payne, a Drummers Drummer. Such RAW Talent. The MAN knew how to play a set of Drums. One of the GREATEST!
I had the opportunity to play Sonny's drums when i was playing in Lake Tahoe with a band opposite Harry James' band. Sonny was a perfect gentleman.
All I can say is Thank goodness for great Drummers that have come and gone if not for them there would be no blueprints to drumming and to the gentleman would made the comment about Sonny's finances Number one sometimes musicians were not as frugal with there money as they should have been and number two for a person to love and respect you to take care of your medical and burial says a lot for the character in the man we aint all perfect or lucky.
I've performed on drums since being a child star at 12 in 47. So naturally sought out and dug them all. The biggest difference is Sonny is playing the rhythms my heart wants to express. Even now typing, I hear/see his message. Rich with all he could say on drums seemed seldom to be saying anything other than, "See how great I am...see all I can do!, me, me, me!" whereas this cat is bringing to life the eternal muse of rhythm.
Roy Haynes, Philly Jo Jones, Joe Morello, and Elvin Jones all disagree with you. They said so in print.
This is so good. Wow! What great technique!!!
This is great. Thanks so much for posting. Sonny was no doubt one of the best EVER!
The only way I can talk about drummers is not about better and bet, rather... sonnyayne, there was never anyone better. He's just such a great mix of his influence.myou can see Joe Jones in there. But sych a lot of music going through his head while he's playing. You continually hear this great arrangement of this Belson tune. God, we love you, Sonny Zpayn!
Love Sonny, dynamics, energy, musicianship, showmanship, he had it all. 1000 dollars a week back then would be equivalant to making over 5 grand a week today. Good money for a great drummer.
Harry could pay because of his gig at the Flamingo
Paid BR $1,500 in 1966
Buddy Rich, Gene Krupa and Sonny Payne....my top 3 from the Golden Era of Drummers.
What a great player he was simply marvellous technique and stick tricks better than anyone. I think his excitement when playing occasionally got him to get a little ahead of the band phrases but what the hell such a fantastic drum star.
Yes and don’t forget, his dad was the all time great Drummer Chris Columbus!!! Like father like son.
Superb! Sonny was a great swinger and an extraordinary showman. He was also a kind man.
Love the chart. Also love how great the band sounds.
Thanks very much for sharing these extremely rare clips.
I have a copy of a signed contract between Harry and Sonny. Sonny was paid $1000 a week with James, same as Buddy made.
Sonny was indeed the drummer on Sinatra at the Sands!
"TAKE ANOTHER BOW, SONNY". Your, Still better than Most Today. Believe it,...
It takes one good pro to know another one . Money well spent Mr James . Thanks for posting
OMG! I'm so glad to finally see some good footage of Sonny, although it's nothing like seeing him live, ironically the resolution of the video technology then couldn't capture the stuff on the inside that he was playing. But this is the best I've seen so far on RUclips. Thank you! Obviously Harry James Knew talent when he heard it, because he had two of the greatest drummers of all time, Sonny and Buddy
brilliant clip, thank you..for me sonny had to be one of the best big band drummer of all time. Class! brough things to chats that Rich and Bellson could never bring...
James said in an interview that he paid Sonny as much as he paid Buddy Rich.
it's only fair, but Sonny was better.
Thanx for a clip of a truly remarkable drummer.I took lessons with Ed Shaughnessy in NYC,and other than Buddy Rich and Louie Bellson ,he LOVED Sonny Payne,saw him as a genius.Very musical.
These two men, Payne and james, really gave it their all.
Great sounding snare.
Sonor pancake...
When Sonny was dying in the hospital, Harry James paid his medical bills,,,and his funeral!
Love the open sound of drummers back then.
No muffling craze like so many now.
Holy smokes! I've had the audio of this for 20 years and never knew the video existed!
Great to see brushes as section of his solo. Bit of a lost art. Only saw Sony with Basie band on UK tour in the sixties.
Sonny Payne was one of the drummers that played with Harry James, after Buddy Rich in the 60s.
Harry could certainly find great drummers.
Louie Bellson played briefly late 60 s
Les Demerle was very good, also
With Harry James' band, Buddy was the highest paid side man in the business.
Roy Beckerman Sonny Payne was Count Basie’s drummer before this. Boy could he drive that band !!
Tiffen called . . . they want their star filter back!
Great video aside from the "hip 70's camera work" Thanks for posting Chuck Par-Due
Thank you so much !!!!
Great upload...
This is from a 1972 BBC telecast from London. It took me 40 years to get this copy.
Chuck Par-Due this must have been the same year I saw the HJO in Derby UK, incredible.
Amazing technique-
Based on pure optics, he
could have challenged any
drummer in a drum battle.
Incredibly fast hands & a
super human left foot on the
the hi-hat.---
This, to me, is the very definition of the word "priceless". Thank you so much for posting it!
Sonny was the man
Wow !!! Thanks for sharing !
In the all time top 5 of the great drummers of the past.
Buddy Rich...number one..in a class of his own.
Your 40 year quest was worth the effort, Chuck. This is one of the finest and most expressive drum solos that I've ever heard, and the music world is poorer now that this great drum artist has passed. Thank you for making this available to us all.
That was bad ass!
Wonderful to have news about Sonny. I saw him with Basie at The Festival Hall, London in 1958 and always wondered what happened to Sonny. Basie did have some very good drummers after Sonny - but Sonny was very special and set down the reference for big band drumming. Buddy Rich was as great, but did a "little too much drumming" and also didn't have the Basie Band to play with. Basie did have drummers who were great drummers, but played WITH the band as Butch Miles for example.
Butch Miles listened to Buddy and slowed the turntable downto 16rpm. Later on he found his own voice
Sonny used to sit in with my trio in Hollywood, CA. He played stunning solos but could not keep simple, straight time on regular tunes! We had to do stuff he could handle and then let him do his solos. The guy was EXTREMELY LIMITED! Oh well........ :(
thats exactly what Mel Lewis said
God bless you Sonny
Hi Chuck! WOW, Rare footage here, to see it in color is a blast! I love Harry James, even more so now after reading what you wrote above! A true and amazing friendship there! It looks like Sonny was playing a piccolo! Very cool, I have and use one on special occasions. What was it? Do you know? I always loved Sonny's solos, they were always straight forward. Loved his energy, and snare drum rudiments. Just love it. Thanks Chuck! Really enjoyed it!
Barry Bangemout I don't what snare he was using. I only know it was a Sonor set.
Thank's Chuck! I was so inspired that I decided to go back to playing and posting solos. If your not already, please subscribe so you can see the new solos I'll be posting. If not I'll drop you a link every now and then to share. I have couple of solos I just did today. Reviewing and processing them now... Stay tuned!
Love his playing he was the dude...what were big band drummer salaries then I buddy was in a different bracket but for a drummer like Sonny.
If you mean Buddy Rich..Buddy had his OWN band & made very good money. Not sure what Sonny made but it couldn't have been much. I understand Harry James paid for his medical bills when he finally died of pneumonia in his early 50's. Buddy knew of Sonny & liked him. Frank Sinatra did too from working with Count Basie & Sonny played for Frank for awhile. According to Wiki Sonny is on drums on Frank's big live LP success "Live at the Sands" which I have & it sounds like Payne to me & it's great!
Sonny Payne; simultaneously out Buddy Rich-ing Buddy Rich AND out Keith Moon-ing Keith Moon. what a monster Sonny was. one of my absolute favorites
Chick Webb. 'Nuff said.
Sunny makes Buddy look like a kid
That is speed all over the kit, cymbals and showmanship.
Nah!, don't be foolish. Listen to Buddy Rich play brushes on his version of "Swinging In A Hammock" from "The New One" (1967). In addition; Why do you view art as a contest?
Great brush technique!! Very hard to drive a big, loud band with brushes then sticks!!!
Personally I prefer Sonny's drumming to Buddy Rich's. I think Sonny had an incredible, natural "feel", if you will, for swing-- and he has such colorful, dynamic expression in all his fills, solos, etc. For all his greatness Buddy sometimes sounded to me like he was trying to ram the kit into the stage floor.(Let me now put on my flame retardant suit--cause the vitriol is coming my way any minute now LOL!!)
nyterpfan I personally agree, Rich was great but Sonny had that "feel" that was undeniable and I found his work very crisp, colorful and dynamic as you stated. And he drove a band like no other.
nyterpfan I'm completely with you! Cats are programmed to say Buddy is the greatest...I certainly was for the longest until I got hip to Mr. Payne. No doubt 'Rich could do darn near supernatural things with his hands, his feel was lacking for the most part in that the groove didn't breathe. I personally wish that Payne got more credit for his contribution the Big Band art form. To me, he's the "Tony Williams" of it in the sense that he was able to use the entire range of the kit as well as deal with the creative space in ways nobody else was really doing. Ain't nobody seeing Sonny.
+nyterpfan Totally agree 100% with you and the other gents who feel the same way. Nothing personal against Buddy, but I am just totally blown away by Sonny in this very rare clip. Thank you so much for giving us drummers something to enjoy, and to sit back in amazement at Sonny's virtuosity and just raw talent. If Sonny had been given the exposure Buddy Rich got, maybe some of the commenters would feel different. I grew up on Buddy, Louis and Gene. I didn't discover Sonny Payne, that is, actually SEEING him play (thanks to RUclips) until several years ago. Heard him with Basie and others, but this.....this is THE SHIT. Go Sonny Go!!!!! Man....how can you top this?
No problem, you have a right to be you.
So I'm a robot, now? As if I can't dig both?
Harry had some of the greatest drummers ; he paid more than the going rate .
Thank you for this rare clip! I once shared a bottle of wine w Sonny backstage at a James gig. I almost got a lesson w him, but he soon died. Very friendly, cool person. Is there a clearer video of this, without those glaring lights? The audio is superb!!!
from "Professor Swing"
Sonny was in a class by himself. The tune, Apples, written for Louis Bellson, was also covered by Buddy, and the differences are striking. It's fascinating to listen to Sonny's tune, and the audio portion of this really opens your eyes. What passion he showed when he played! While not the absolute technical dynamo that BR was, he carved an envious spot between his idols. Check out the riser, too - gotta love it. Sonny went too soon.
This is God, He just thinks He's Sonny Payne. If you're carefully listening, you hear the tune being played all the way. James, who by the way was also a fine drummer I saw in action, knows right where the tune is and brings the band in on ONE exactly.
James played ten feet away from Gene Krupa for the better part of a decade so I assume a few things rubbed off.
Buddy Rich, Gene Krupa and Sonny Payne...the big 3 from that era...
Jo Jones and Dave Tough must be included
Man ol Sonny was a great swinging player. Catch some of the 60's clips with Count Baisie on You Tube. SWINGING CAT!!
Ace to the Base
Great video. I read someplace that Sinatra said Payne was his favorite drummer and I think Sinatra said this because of the way Payne played - how he propelled the band. Anyone who wants to hear why Sinatra liked the way he played behind him and how he propelled the band and inspired its soloists should check out a video here at you tube - Lambert Hendricks and Ross - Arigin.
Harry was in awe over Buddy Rich, because he saw in Buddy his equal. However, Harry thought Sonny and Jackie Mills were the best drummers for the band he ever had.
Sonny was a great drummer, i could do without the flashy stick tricks, but Sonny was a master showman and it was his style. In a quote from one of his 3 direct to disc albums Harry James said that Les Demerle was the best drummer he ever had. Sometimes band leaders like a certain style in thier drummers that doesn't necessarily translate into technical greatness. Like Benny Goodman always said that Gene Krupa was his drummer even though others were maybe technically better.
Where was this recorded? I remember watching the Harry James orchestra with Sonny in Southport, Lancs., and this seems to rekindle memories
Tommy Hall BBC Studios
Thankyou my friend.
My source material was very rough quality...sorry!
It's ashame that he died so young..
From the Golden Age of drummers.
Would give Buddy Rich a run for his money..
It's the only video I have. Sorry.
Buddy, Gene and Sonny...my big 3 ...in that order .
What drums was Sonny using.
sonor
He had the Gene Krupa setup. 👍🏻
Will never have the legendary status of Buddy Rich or Gene Krupa, but in my top 3 from that era.
Not the legendary status perhaps
because Gene & Buddy came before Sonny? Don't understand
why he didn't get the notoriety.
& never found his technique sloppy.---an entertainer on the
drums but,unlike Rich, not much
of a personality away from the drums----just a guess.
Notice his narrow snare.
sonor pancake...
thanks for loading this. I'd like to get a better quality copy of it. do you know when and where this performance was?
What was the kit.
Roy Beckerman Sonny had left Gretsch and endorsed Sonor.
Old sonor?
Yes
Great sound and playing .
Beautiful kit. Does anyone know what it was.
One of those great players that was very underrated.
Certainly up with the best, except Buddy.
Sonny played Sonor drums.
he also played Gretsch. these are Sonor
+ocho cabra
Which Gretsch model did he use.
Roy Beckerman Sonny played Sonor drums from the late 60's on.
Hey, what happened at the 2:25 mark?
as far as stick tossing and showmanship goes NOBODY could equal "big" sid catlett!
what was he sick from?
Buddy made $1500 a week with Harry.
in 1966
sorry I meant buddy was paid one thousand five hundred a week.
the black buddy
None of those old great drummers , muffled their drums, like today's drummers.
Any reason why it's the done thing these days.
You guys are kidding right? Buddy vs Sonny in terms of speed and ability. Buddy beats this guy out of the gate SO easily. Secondly this tempo is way slower than the speed that two recorded times on Buddy's albums lol Some of these comments are really amusing. Sonny's a good player but he's definitely not as fast as Buddy
Speed is just one parameter in the mix.
Very shallow snare..not sure what brand.
SONNY WAS A GREAT DRUMMER, BUT LIKE THE GREAT STAN LEVY ONCE SAID, "WHEN BUDDY STARTED TO PLAY,HE MADE ALL US DRUMMERS LOOK LIKE CHILDREN" END OF QUOTE.
alan cobain I agree!!
+alan cobain no.
NO YOUR ASS
I don't care about what Stan Levy said and who spoke about white drummers... Buddy Rich was certainly the greatest white drummer (with Louie Bellson ) but he was certainly not greatest than Chick Webb, Jo Jones, Cosy Cole, Sidney Catlett, Max Roach, Elvin Jones, Kenny Clarke, Sam Woodyard and Sonny Payne !!!!!
This is one of the most stupid thing I've heard on YTube
Pneumonia.
Uhh
1971
Chuck Par-Due thx
Wow this guy could drum up a storm alright, tho a little messy and wild at times he sure could give Buddy a run for his money.
If it's power precision and command you're after then then Buddy Rich wins hands down every time, sorry guys that's just the way it is.
buddy made fifeteen thousand a week with james.
1500 not 15000
Sonny is good but i find that he is a sloppy drummer nothing is crisp clear cut....that is 1 thing Buddy did when he played he was crisp precise clear fast dynamics etc he had it all and that is why Buddy stands alone..... and he could pull a solo at any tempo and keep that momentum....and we are still trying to figure how he did ..... Tunes to listen to..Ruth, Diablolus, Time Being, Chanel 1 Suite, West Side story extended version....thats for you to listen and try out ....
whats funny is that is those are the reasons we like each of them. I love sonny;s loose swingin feel. I like buddy's thing to. But i like a little looser thing though. I like the way sonny swung more than buddy. Thats just me.
Beat answer yet
Sonny Payne and Rufus Speedy Jones.....the fastest drummers in the world
João Paulo Macedo no one got near Buddy Rich for speed !
@@loumcconnell503 I love Buddy, but Louis Bellson could match him for speed, with a different style.
Harry Langdon Duke Ellington said of Louis Bellson "he is the finest musician I have ever met !" High praise from the Duke.