I just want to clarify something: Timmy's video was deleted before this one got released. I don't want people thinking he removed it in response to this video.
I was already biased about Sue because it's really easy to blame the parents, but this has made me take a good hard look at that stance. If anything, I'm more empathetic toward Sue now.
@@ponny2948 it'll be full of roast by now. He's obviously just leaving it to make some money. Hopefully it gets reported enough that it gets taken down
Timmy desperately clinging to the fact that Miorby hasn't recently read the book that he admitted he "only skimmed" is one of the most pathetic things I've seen on the internet. Timmy claimed sue was a narcissist in his original video. Some one should tell him that one of the key behaviors of a narcissist is never taking responsibility for one's actions, even when confronted with evidence. Timmy has done a damn good job on his own showing everyone how much of a pitiful person he really is. Timmy should stick to Tarkov videos, I for one, don't want his two cents or his feeble journalism.
Timmy is just a contrarion, so it seems to me at least. It seems like he read a bunch of OTHER peoples half baked comments on Sue Klebold, and thought "you know they might have a point" (as most people would at first,but the difference between him and most people is that most people would actually bother trying to validate those claims and once they did find how wrong those statements actually are. He did not, he only looked for the things that confirmed what he already believed and what he thought would make a provacative video). Reading the descriptions he has for both of his channels it seems like he has this belief that he is like intellectually superior to people? Major snobby redditor vibes basically. "I write videos I wish people had already made" 👏 "making this channel to justify how much time I spend researching random topics" 🤪
I mean it's more so exposing people who had an ounce of credibility to begin with. Liars and frauds will still be successful if their target audience are kids because kids are stupid lmao
What's sad is that the Harris family chose to run away & hide from this tragedy & yet nobody is coming for them. Sue took the hard road, trying to educate & prevent another tragedy & she gets attacked.
exactly! like at least she’s trying to spread awareness. it can’t have been easy for her to put herself out there like that, I think it’s pretty damn brave of her honestly
I think the Harris family were forced into hiding. Imagine if they did come out... it'd be worse than the attacks on Sue because "Eric was the leader" and the weapons were stored in Eric's hiding spots, Eric had the website, etc. Even though their other child turned out fine, the public would doubledown on criticizing their parenting... the same they do with the Klebolds even though Byron also turned out fine.
It’s a situation that you’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t. The Harris family does get plenty of criticism elsewhere, but I personally don’t fault them for wanting to stay silent. There’s no ‘right’ way to act in this situation, and I imagine it took a lot for Sue to speak out.
@@cdogthehedgehog6923 Please listen to the arguments of a video before commenting argumentatively. “Attention seeking” is your opinion and you have a right to think so, but unless you’re mistaken about what lucrative means, you haven’t been engaging in this dialogue. One of Timmy’s own arguments presented here is that he did NOT claim Sue was making money.
Showing his original video and asking students what they think of sue, then showing your video could honestly be a really good tool for teaching misinformation in schools
I'd be weary of outright showing his video without a proper introduction or frequent stops by the teacher to explain logical fallacies. Otherwise, just like people on the internet, the kids might get the opposite point. Critical thinking is taught, not inherent.
You know what makes me most infuriated about Timmy's video? I had seen the Ted talk before his video, and *knew* what Timmy was saying was wrong, but he said it with such authority and conviction, it made me doubt myself. THAT is the power of misinformation, or presenting facts in a misleading light.
@@SirOrangeVillian to be honest they both did it the entire live stream. Neither one of them afforded the other the courtesy of getting an entire point across. But also only one of them is taking accountability for being messy in that debate.
Timmys video was 100% deceptive in nature. He tried to prove his point by nit picking evidence while literally suppressing a sentence in the same article, because it goes against his points. He made me believe sue was evil and narcissistic even though i had watched the ted talk in the past.
When I clicked his video, before yours came out, it was almost painful to watch. I kept pausing to just comprehend that some RUclips grifter was just making up facts about columbine and putting undeserved blame on Sue Your video legit helped. Thank god somebody made a rebuttal. The amount of people convinced by his video is so sad.
honestly, timmy's whole usage of argument reminds me of how I was taught to write an essay in High School - "It doesn't matter if you're correct, if you can convince your argument well enough with the evidence you've provided you are 'Correct' "
That should not be taught for instances like this. This instruction should be for theological debates, not things with established facts, otherwise you look like Timmy.
Timmy wanted to spin a compelling narrative on someone he didn't think anyone would defend, and now he's trying to spin another on to justify himself. What a disgusting display from someone who wanted to pretend they were better than a mother who lives with the kind of guilt Sue does. What a parasite.
@@orukarm If this is how he acts in the public space. I can't imagine how manipulative and deceptive he is at home when no one is around to call him out.
Your comment here really hits the nail for me. He wanted to punch down on someone to feel superior and take the moral high ground. I wouldn't be surprised if Sue got undeserved backlash because of him. There's a reason why the bible talks about Satan disguising himself as an angel of light.
Thanks so much for making both this video and your initial response. I watched Timmy's video because it was recommended to me and I'm sad to say I fell for it. Thank you for correcting the record
What scares me is that Timmy is apparently a father. I think he has daughters but I don’t remember. One of the issues I have with him is that he sounds like one of those “I know my child best 100%” and “MY child would NEVER do that!” kinda parents in his video. As someone who was once a teenage girl who was “not like other girls” (and by that I for some reason thought having a healthy relationship with my parents was “different”) I did in fact keep secrets from them. As a freshman in high school I was in a relationship with an 18 year old and would constantly message him through Facebook. I would have never admitted to being groomed. I would have said I was “mature” for my age cuz I “wasn’t like everyone else.” My point is that, you really don’t know your kids Timmy. Whether they’re in an inappropriate relationship or have thoughts of harming themselves or others, it can be difficult to see the signs even in todays world and even if you have a good relationship with them.
This is such a fantastic point. More parents need to understand that getting along great with your kid is NOT a sign that you have a healthy relationship with them. Your kid knows what upsets and pleases you better than anyone else in the world. Nature has made it as easy as possible for them to pick up on these emotional cues because their survival literally depends on it. Over time, your child will unconsciously suppress the parts of himself that overtly displease you and play up the parts that you like. These powerful attachment instincts help a child survive, as rejection and separation from caregiver = death. Getting along great can just mean that, in order to preserve the relationship with the parent, the child has wisely chosen to hide those parts of herself that mom or dad would reject. For a parent in this predicament, what that really means is that while your kid loves you, she doesn't feel accepted by you. She doesn't feel safe enough to trust you with secrets and is protecting you emotionally from her own self. She knows you'd flip and lose your sh!t if you found out the truth. You can't handle her. A relationship where the child has to hide parts of himself because his parents can't handle the truth of him is, I believe, how deeply troubling incidents strike loving, well-intentioned families. Loving feelings are not enough to raise a child well. To be a parent, you HAVE to know your kids, otherwise it is impossible to provide what the child needs emotionally to become a self-regulated mature adult. The real task is to cultivate a safe space for your children to talk to you about anything. If they're keeping secrets, you know you've messed up. Timmy probably understands this at a gut level. He may actually be a really great father if he's paying extra attention to this often overlooked side of parenting...or he could just be searching for an ego-boast by putting parents like Sue down. Who knows.
If Timmy's actually not trying to be malicious than his only excuse is being INSANELY clueless, like to a point that I wouldn't think is humanly possible
At this point what even is Timmy's argument its like he just wants to put Sue on trial for The Columbine Massacre. He seems to be frantically searching for some way to make it that Sue was the sole and entire reason behind it happening. I am trying to think of any other time we've ever focused this much on the parent of a criminal or that anyone has suggested they're the only reason why they did what they did. The fact he deleted the response video he made speaks volumes about how he really can't stand to any kind of scrutiny when questioned, yet he apparently seems to think Sue is unable to do this? It's not suprising that he misrepresented your views given he has already done so for Sue. But I am kind of suprised that he even tried to respond on his own channel which was only going to get people more interested in seeing what you had to say.
@@Josue-mv2fo I guess I need to watch that movie again. I remember a woman with post partum psych issues who was struggling. I remember her also trying to get some support, but she was minimised and dismissed.
@@Beyatchenator to me, she was struggling to be a mother, but also Kevin was acting wrong and being unable to establish emotion with anyone since an early age, and just like in this situation, the mom got all the blame from the media and had her new home have paint thrown at because they thought she was to blame; she making a room for Kevin is a sign of she wanting to help her son cuz she's his mother, and maybe a critic of the idea that mothers should love their children no matter what
@@Josue-mv2fo Yeah interesting. I remember thinking she must have also blamed herself. Struggling with post partum depression without the proper support may very well have long lasting impacts on the child :(
I watched Timmy’s video first and Jesus Christ it was so messed up. Sue repeatedly took accountability. She admits she likely missed a lot which at the time was easily dismissed due to school shootings not being common. Timmy was pathetic in the debate “You gOt tO lEt mE sPeAk” *immediately cuts you off “LeT mE tAlK aBoUt cOlLeEn tHe nOnce”
Happy belated birthday. Thank you for the work you put into this. You did the right thing and I appreciate so much that someone took the time and effort for it
This entire situation how earned you a sub. I don't know, nor even hope, that all your content are these take downs, however you've shown yourself to be someone who is, at the very least, intending to be honest. On top of this you take accountability for the instances where you mess up.
Honestly great work. Thank you for caring about integrity and not just farming drama and engagement. You did the right thing and I pray Sue will never see Timmy's video 💔 it's disgusting that he's left it up
I first saw his video a couple months ago and was glad I saw yours recommended earlier this month since I thought it was reasonable for him to find her to be a bad person until you clarified a lot (perhaps even a majority, which I wasn't expecting) of his video was untrue or misleading, making it ironic for him to be manipulating in a worse way he claimed she was
Really appreciate you being honest about the debate being a total mess. Your accountability on your end is excellent and your thoroughness is appreciated, I can't wait to see more from you. Also, happy belated birthday!
I watched Timmy's first video and by the end I could say I did not agree with him, I remembered watching Sue Klebold's TED talk and it didn't sound like a narcissistic mother, but o well, I just left the video and went on with my life. But to think this grown men sat there and filmed a very long video accusing Sue of lying and being a terrible mother based on his own made up ideas of her, it's disgusting, and that he is doubling down? messed up. I hope more people that also saw his video find yours and like me can know that Timmy lied to all of us who watched
Exactly it felt like he was grasping at straws to paint a narrative. I don’t think he’s a bad guy I just don’t think he fully thought his video and idea through
@@SmokingDodo Even if that's the case, he could've used this as an opportunity to come clean and just say, "I made a mistake". Instead, he deflected and continued to say Sue is this and that even when he knows he's still holding onto lies that he made up to still have his incorrect opinion that he is presenting as FACTS.
Timmy’s video kept coming up in my recommended videos and I remember being interested in it but just immediately thinking the premise seemed kindof slimy.
At the end of the day, Timmy really just seems like a member of the “all parents fuck their kids up” crowd. Makes you wonder what his own relationship with his parents is like.
i wouldn’t be surprised if all this was personal for him for some reason. the whole thing just seems extremely dramatic, petty and out of nowhere, as if he’s directing all his hatred for parents who he thinks neglected their children onto this one person. and wasting his time vilifying a woman who lost her son over 20 years ago. that’s enough punishment
And it's very weird cause he has kids. Is he just bragging that his kids would never be school shooters because he's such a great dad, or that if his kids were a risk he'd totally figure it out and stop them? I'd think having children would make him sympathetic to Sue's position and feelings surrounding that but guess not...
It genuinely gives me hope to see people calling Timmy2Cents out and not falling for misinformation, thank you for putting yourself out there by making a response to that load of projection and name calling garbage
You're 100% in the right for calling him out. I'm glad you made this response video too because I didn't even realize in Timmy's response that what he was saying about the computers versus the lockers was wrong. Sneaky deceptive shit lol. Of course he kept his original video up even after everyone pointing out how wrong it is
Good work! I don't think people are mad at Timmy and/or his video about Sue just because of your reaction video alone. I think you opened the eyes of many, including myself, who had already seen Timmy's video about Sue and that led to many reading up on the matter and finding out that you were absolutely right. It gave, at least to me, a feeling of being tricked by Timmy into believing a narrative that wasn't true.
I’m so glad Miorby’s original video came across my page. I learned that I don’t have as good of media literacy that I thought. I feel terrible for believing Timmy’s lies. He deserved to be criticized to no end for his dishonesty, at least until he takes the video down.
He has and is profited off tragedy by lying. That debate Timmy brought you to his level and beat you with experience. He WANTED you to get upset because it was all he had. He brought up him moving to manipulate us into accepting his erratic behavior. It takes a narcissist to know one Timmy. Welcome to the club, do what I do and get therapy
You know this guy doesn't make his case very great by removing his response video. Like...that's basically saying "yeah you're right and I'm a coward."
The sort of smug attitude he has in his “rebuttal” is what’s particularly infuriating to me because it shows that he still doesn’t think he’s done anything wrong and will most likely continue to do these sorts of things. I’m so grateful that your video showed up in my algorithm because if it hadn’t I would most likely have gone through the rest of my life with the very calculated narrative he put forth in my head.
I really loved watching these. Really interesting to see all the reasoning and diversions that Timmy does. You argued the points really well in my opinion.
Miorby STILL doesn’t know what happened at Macdonald’s. Sad No but seriously, I really respect how transparent you were about how the debate went. That takes a lot of humility and honesty. You seem like a good man, my dude.
@@nicksikoryak1467 it was literally just that some people made fun of Dylan at a Macdonald’s and it made him feel depressed. That was literally the whole thing that Timmy just couldn’t let go of for some reason
Can’t finish this video because it’s pissing me off too much. Thanks for addressing this. I’ve learned that I need to be more skeptical and I’m happy you’ve helped open my eyes.
i stumbled across your video debunking timmy’s original weeks after watching his out of curiosity. aside from some claims i took issue with, i thought his video was pretty solid and was convinced that sue is a narcissistic person and terrible mother. the amount of information he left out of his video was crazy. definitely will be looking more deeply into the shit i watch now.
I recently read Sue‘s book „A Mothers Reckoning“ and it broke my heart how much she blames herself. I hope in the last 25 years she could somehow heal from what happened.
Idk if you or anyone will read this but I appreciate your video as well as your response Miorby. Especially keeping everything up and making corrections and taking accountability for errors in a meaningful way. I remember when I watched Timmy’s video when it came out and I kept getting this weird feeling that he got things wrong and immediately fact checked things I had read a long time ago. The whole video just came off as a character assassination of Sue and the whole controversial topic of Columbine that is rarely covered anymore considering how common similar things happen now. It was like he was hoping he could spin a narrative about a topic no longer fresh in people’s minds in order to avoid any pushback. Coming off that successful Tarkov video he decided dip into covering things like Sue or his other video about Ruby Franke like a journalist. Except RUclipsrs are not held to the same standard as a journalist because if his original video was printed as an article it would’ve never gotten published as it is cherry picked opinion and not journalistic fact. And with people now getting most of their info from videos like his instead of actual verified sources and journalistic accounts there needs to be some better accountability and something in the way of journalistic integrity by citing of sources in video descriptions, making meaningful corrections as needed, and making it clear that a video like Timmy’s is an opinion, not a fact. But anyways you got a like and subscribe from me and I look forward to more videos in the future. Despite what Timmy said I think you got a good future on here. Also Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays brother!
For those wondering Goat took down his response video because it wasn't a good look - a lot of his views change to fit his narrative from one video to the next. Wish it was still up for everyone to see.
The fact that he tried to pin her as a narcissist, like having NPD is some ~big scary thing~ that makes her a ~bad person~ automantically makes me trust you over him. Anyone implying that people having NPD is some evil, sinister thing isnt trustworthy, imo. Even if Sue does have responsibility in this, trying to pin her as a narcissist is just... ableism. I tend to give Sue more credit than him, because at least she seems to care about mental health struggles.
Dude that’s not ableism, narcissism isn’t a disability and the vast majority of narcissists are HORRIBLE people. The better point to make is that Sue absolutely isn’t one lmao
@@bacicinvatteneacaThere is zero evidence out there that people with Cluster B personality disorders are more likely to be abusers and dangerous compared to the general population. Inversely, people with Cluster B personality disorders are actually more likely to be victims of violent crime and abuse than the general population. You're wrong and you're ableist.
I wouldn't have expected anything else from him. You're totally right to say this is your last video, dont be bated into anymore with him, its already messy enough and you won't gain anything.
It's infuriating to see that Timmy would rather double down on spinning a tragedy of bullying, radicalization, and mental illness into a tale of a "narcissistic mother" than admit that he lied. Like what's crazy to me is that he focuses on Sue Klebold so much to the point that he's absolving the actual perpetrators. If we're gonna armchair psychoanalyze people, he can at least be like the rest of the true crime community and talk about the perpetrators. All of his points reek of redpill Reddit rhetoric about evil mothers and he's so far down the misogyny rabbit hole that he'd rather blame an uninvolved woman than the boys who actually did it.
Im glad to see you accept that the debate was a mess, when I saw that I thought for a moment it was so ridiculous that it was staged, I’ve been waiting for any of you both to say that you actually made all this shit up, but I don’t know if the fact that it isn’t fake makes it any better. I was so invested in this story, and your intervention was very much needed, with this and the nickisnotgreen situation I need to pay more attention to the content in consuming .
Yes you really should... Most people who actually believed what he was saying were children. You look like an adult. Why would you just believe what a stranger is telling you online? Especially a random RUclipsr. He made a video saying Sue had to take accountability! For what!? She didn't kill or shoot anyone! That wasn't a red flag to you?
@@Leleche I never said I believed it, I said I need to pay more attention cause it’s a fact, I don’t consume this content while paying full attention, I play video games or do other stuff like work or paint, it’s more like a podcast, so I just didn’t care enough to fact check it, I did not share it nor comment on it but I did tell my roommate the things I did not agree with, since I looked at it as an opinion piece, it did not change my perception of Sue Klebold, but I had watched the Ted talk waaaay before Timmy’s video was posted, which is why I clicked on it on the first place. If I were to comment on it, share it or something I’d most likely fact check it first, not only I’m an adult, I studied communications, that doesn’t mean that I cannot be gullible from time to time. As I said in my first comment, it really made me reflect on the way I’m consuming content on RUclips, specially right now with the Hbomberguy’s video, Iluminaughtii and Somerton’s plagiarism. We come to RUclips to watch videos for entertainment, but content has changed through the years, this video essay thing is not new but it’s popular right now so we learn from mistakes. This video probably showed on my feed because I am very invested in fact checking and investigation, but I’m sure it wasn’t the case for a ton of people. Happy holidays!
I literally couldn't finish watching the debate because it was so painful, what a specimen of a human being to just blatantly lie about a lady who had to go through such a tragedy. Tim's audacity is through the roof lol.
I wish timmy could provide people with an explanation on what Sue did as a parent that was so different and bad from all the other parents that fail their kids in some way that turned hers into a school shooter. there are definitely worse parents out there and their kids don't become murderers. So that insight would be very helpful
i had a twilight zone moment when i watched ur original video, because i didnt realize how much i’d blindly accepted from timmy’s video without fact-checking it. something felt off about a youtuber who doesn’t know any of the victims personally trying to determine the motives of the mother of one of the perpetrators, so its refreshing to hear someone’s counter argument
i bet timmys kids will be model citizens that will never be able to hide anything from timmy when they grow up - no way would they ever do anything without him knowing as he has complete control and is all seeing, a bit like that god fellow.
You looking at the comments on his video was 100% valid, as those were the direct messages that were taken from that video, deliberately and successfully making Sue look like a monster to those otherwise unaware of her. Shame on him.
People defending this whole "Ahhh! Rage! Hate everything! The world is a SCAM! Everybody sucks but me!" -meta that the internet is obsessively involved in currently is just so upsetting. Picking on a scarred mother trying her best to atone for the sins of her son is so disgusting and makes me so deeply sad inside. The fact that it's lost on this Timmy character who, mind you, is out here influencing scores of young people (if the comments on your original response video are anything to go by) is outright effing pathetic. Thank you for taking the time to stand up for something real. It's rare, takes a toll, but is so SO necessary in this climate. I appreciate the work you've done here. People need to learn that researching a topic doesn't mean "drum up a statement and then attempt to force in supporting details beneath the byline". I feel almost as if we've lost that in most forms of modern media, and now, some humans have never known anything else but. Frightening times, man. Frightening times. A million times, thank you. Happy birthday bro.
I just realized that this is the exact same guy that made "The Wiggle That Killed Tarkov" video... My disappointment is beyond immeasurable and my faith in video essays is ruined.
God what makes this even more frustrating is how smug Timmy looked in every part of this whole thing, but especially in the response video. He truly cannot stand to be corrected on ANYTHING. You'd think that if his goal was to convince viewers that his initial video and it's errors weren't made in bad faith, he'd own up to at least some mistakes/ommissions. Thanks for your thoughtful responses to his oddly aggressive hit piece.
Imagine being so stubborn that you refuse to take accountability for your blatant lies, it's incredible the amount of cope Timmy is able to come up with
So, he wants a woman who is so open about how she feels like a failure as a mother and person for not noticing the signs in her son to feel like more of a failure and be vilified further by the public… this seems malicious especially since he thinks anyone can spot any signs of any depression. I’m not saying she is depressed, but I am saying Timmy’s video isn’t something that makes people less depressed
I really appreciate your disclaimer that this wasn’t about drama and acknowledgment that the debate was indeed a hot mess. I agree that Timmy was being difficult but both parties could have handled it with more respect to the subject matter and put their personal differences aside. This is yet another thing that Timmy will not accept responsbility for. And it’s understandable to be passionate about this topic. But other than that, I think we all sincerely appreciate your videos and insights on this matter. It’s really opened my eyes and I am grateful for the fact that you are helping set the story straight. The fact that he deleted his response clearly shows that he is in the wrong here. He should be embarrassed.
i wish youd focused more on his assumptions that sue was responsible for the shootings and his assertion that she was a narcassist, rather than his misatributing quotes, as proof he was being malicious and not just incompitent. yes i do think the way he misrepresented those quotes seems malicious but its kind of impossible to prove, its why in the debate you both just kept repeating the same thing with you saying it must be on purpose and him saying it was just a mistake. but the way he charactarizes sue is not a mistake its indicative of his true feelings about her, he never proves these things about her they are just his opinions and i think that is a lot more indicative of his intent
Honestly I'm just really confused by his motivations. This man went through immense effort to twist words in order to support his smear campaign against sue for... What? He's basically nuked his whole RUclips career and while he couldn't have known at posting it'd turn out this way why bother risking such a fake and misrepresenting video? I'm just genuinely baffled at this one sided fued Tummy has with Sue like man he fucking hates her guts for some unknown reason
My best guess? He was trying to jump on OG school shooters mom (only one who has spoken out a lot) because of Ethan’s parents being put to trial. That’s my best guess and the timing makes sense.
i think it’s just some rando that wanted money. it was the first video on his channel, he was probably thinking about what to make and sue’s Ted talk was recommended to him. what better way to create views and therefore money than by taking a concept everyone’s agreeing with (sue klebold’s highly popular Ted talk) and turning it on his head? guaranteed millions of views.
I just binged the whole Timmy/Miorby saga and wow, that was good. I fell for that bald guy's video initially, hook line and sinker. You've done excellent research and have been very fair in all your points and arguments, takes me back to the days of good investigative journalism. TImmy's strawmanning, outright lying, and purposefully withholding information is the nail in the coffin. I'm sure tons of people will support him after watching only his video and falling for it, but there will always be a contingent of people that know he's a fraud and will hold him to it as long as he's on the internet. All it takes is some flashy editing and a room that looks like every big RUclipsr's room and the wool is pulled over tons of eyes.
I'm thankfully not the type of person to be driven to harrass someone based on a RUclips video, but I did watch that video and went away thinking Sue was very shameless and naive. In this era of RUclips where we are learning how shameless a lot of video essayists are, I'm a lot less trusting of people thanks to folks like you.
it still bothers me that his original video has 3.3 million views while the one you made debunking it only has a fraction. too many people still believe sue is a horrible person! it's so sad!
I personally think it's really telling that he deleted his rebuttal video pretty much right after you announced you were making your own. Really says it all.
I just want to clarify something: Timmy's video was deleted before this one got released. I don't want people thinking he removed it in response to this video.
Thank you for clarifying!
anyone got an archive link? i wanna read the comments.
Does anyone have the video mirrored? I want to watch
@@Noneofyourbusiness57817i think Papa Gut reacts to it, but you’ll have to listen to him as well
@@StrangeTripNHthank you bro
I'm so ashamed of how fooled I was by that video. It's very humbling to be reminded I am not immune to bullshit.
Don’t feel too bad; manipulation’s a powerful tool by design, it’s not our fault it was turned on us.
Good job for accepting that you were wrong and not just doubling down.
Don't be! What matters is you learned from it and that's great. Keep your head up. ♥
You’re in good company, I fell for it too. Hopefully it’s a lesson learned and I’ll be more skeptical of inflammatory content in the future
None of us are immune to manipulation. You’re fine.
timmy's video did make me think that sue was a monster. i was fooled and you're right. that's what's dangerous.
ikr same, makes me feel dumb. maybe im not the smartest but still disappointed i was easily swayed
It was a "you are not immune to propaganda" moment for a lot of us
Being open to being wrong is a massive personal step forward for anyone
At least your open to reason and not refusing to admit you were bamboozled by crafty editing, unlike some of timmys 'fans'
I was already biased about Sue because it's really easy to blame the parents, but this has made me take a good hard look at that stance. If anything, I'm more empathetic toward Sue now.
Timmy deleting his response is all people need to know about him. His witch hunt against Sue is sad af.
Okay so I'm not crazy. Went there and couldn't find it. Most have been hella ratioed.
Too bad he wont delete his video about sue
@@kyletucker3811 oh brother it was rough, his own fans were roasting him hard.
@@ponny2948 it'll be full of roast by now. He's obviously just leaving it to make some money. Hopefully it gets reported enough that it gets taken down
such a pathetic thing to do about a grieving mother who had to deal with one of the worst things someone can experience
please end every video from now on with “never turn your back on the bees”
Timmy desperately clinging to the fact that Miorby hasn't recently read the book that he admitted he "only skimmed" is one of the most pathetic things I've seen on the internet. Timmy claimed sue was a narcissist in his original video. Some one should tell him that one of the key behaviors of a narcissist is never taking responsibility for one's actions, even when confronted with evidence.
Timmy has done a damn good job on his own showing everyone how much of a pitiful person he really is. Timmy should stick to Tarkov videos, I for one, don't want his two cents or his feeble journalism.
Well said 👏
Timmy is just a contrarion, so it seems to me at least. It seems like he read a bunch of OTHER peoples half baked comments on Sue Klebold, and thought "you know they might have a point" (as most people would at first,but the difference between him and most people is that most people would actually bother trying to validate those claims and once they did find how wrong those statements actually are. He did not, he only looked for the things that confirmed what he already believed and what he thought would make a provacative video). Reading the descriptions he has for both of his channels it seems like he has this belief that he is like intellectually superior to people? Major snobby redditor vibes basically.
"I write videos I wish people had already made" 👏
"making this channel to justify how much time I spend researching random topics" 🤪
I'm so glad that we're finally holding RUclipsrs accountable. No more lying, no more plaigarism.
Yeah I give it 3 weeks til it's back to the cesspool of misinformation.
Do something then.
"no more" its still there lol
I mean it's more so exposing people who had an ounce of credibility to begin with.
Liars and frauds will still be successful if their target audience are kids because kids are stupid lmao
@@smoceany9478no shit. call it out.
Timmy does the classic politician thing, he answers questions and responds to points that were not asked/made.
It's so beautiful to watch a guy making a point about someone not taking accountability, not taking accountability.
@fondue542 Yeah, I watched Turkey Toms video, but nothing more.
Its so meta. :)
ironic, he would tell others to take accountability but not himself
@@itsemsie5125It's not a tale the commentary community would tell you
(Watch this entire thread devolve into a Darth Plagueis meme)
@@6lacksappho456 they're talking about Timmy
What's sad is that the Harris family chose to run away & hide from this tragedy & yet nobody is coming for them. Sue took the hard road, trying to educate & prevent another tragedy & she gets attacked.
exactly! like at least she’s trying to spread awareness. it can’t have been easy for her to put herself out there like that, I think it’s pretty damn brave of her honestly
I think the Harris family were forced into hiding. Imagine if they did come out... it'd be worse than the attacks on Sue because "Eric was the leader" and the weapons were stored in Eric's hiding spots, Eric had the website, etc. Even though their other child turned out fine, the public would doubledown on criticizing their parenting... the same they do with the Klebolds even though Byron also turned out fine.
It’s a situation that you’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t. The Harris family does get plenty of criticism elsewhere, but I personally don’t fault them for wanting to stay silent. There’s no ‘right’ way to act in this situation, and I imagine it took a lot for Sue to speak out.
More like the lucrative and attention seeking road.
@@cdogthehedgehog6923 Please listen to the arguments of a video before commenting argumentatively. “Attention seeking” is your opinion and you have a right to think so, but unless you’re mistaken about what lucrative means, you haven’t been engaging in this dialogue. One of Timmy’s own arguments presented here is that he did NOT claim Sue was making money.
Showing his original video and asking students what they think of sue, then showing your video could honestly be a really good tool for teaching misinformation in schools
I'd be weary of outright showing his video without a proper introduction or frequent stops by the teacher to explain logical fallacies. Otherwise, just like people on the internet, the kids might get the opposite point. Critical thinking is taught, not inherent.
i will never turn my back on the bees, i swear
You know what makes me most infuriated about Timmy's video?
I had seen the Ted talk before his video, and *knew* what Timmy was saying was wrong, but he said it with such authority and conviction, it made me doubt myself.
THAT is the power of misinformation, or presenting facts in a misleading light.
Wow I missed the debate …so he’s STILL just refusing to take accountability..that’s insane
No, Miorby didnt listen to anything he had to say and interupted him for 45 minutes
Its actually pathological.
@@SirOrangeVillian well he admitted to that and said he was wrong for that , more than Timmy is doin
@@SirOrangeVillian to be honest they both did it the entire live stream. Neither one of them afforded the other the courtesy of getting an entire point across. But also only one of them is taking accountability for being messy in that debate.
@@SirOrangeVillian miorby could barely get a word in and yet timmy is the one who complained about interruptions
Timmys video was 100% deceptive in nature. He tried to prove his point by nit picking evidence while literally suppressing a sentence in the same article, because it goes against his points. He made me believe sue was evil and narcissistic even though i had watched the ted talk in the past.
Same! I was doubting my own judgement and feeling ashamed that I liked her Ted talk
When I clicked his video, before yours came out, it was almost painful to watch.
I kept pausing to just comprehend that some RUclips grifter was just making up facts about columbine and putting undeserved blame on Sue
Your video legit helped. Thank god somebody made a rebuttal. The amount of people convinced by his video is so sad.
@@LOLWHATBRO it definitely made me wonder how many bad videos I’ve been convinced by just because I didn’t know much about the topic personally
Timmy2Cents is as much of a grifter as Candace Owens.
honestly, timmy's whole usage of argument reminds me of how I was taught to write an essay in High School -
"It doesn't matter if you're correct, if you can convince your argument well enough with the evidence you've provided you are 'Correct' "
That should not be taught for instances like this. This instruction should be for theological debates, not things with established facts, otherwise you look like Timmy.
Timmy wanted to spin a compelling narrative on someone he didn't think anyone would defend, and now he's trying to spin another on to justify himself. What a disgusting display from someone who wanted to pretend they were better than a mother who lives with the kind of guilt Sue does. What a parasite.
You can tell he's a disingenuous a-hole by his shaved head and annoying mustache.
What’s worrying is that timmy has children, I worry about how he treats those children if this is how he treats others
@@orukarm If this is how he acts in the public space. I can't imagine how manipulative and deceptive he is at home when no one is around to call him out.
Your comment here really hits the nail for me. He wanted to punch down on someone to feel superior and take the moral high ground. I wouldn't be surprised if Sue got undeserved backlash because of him.
There's a reason why the bible talks about Satan disguising himself as an angel of light.
You won the Bingo card! That's exactly what it seems like he was trying to do. How rude.
Thanks so much for making both this video and your initial response. I watched Timmy's video because it was recommended to me and I'm sad to say I fell for it. Thank you for correcting the record
I’m 100% on board with fact checking RUclipsrs and holding them accountable for misinformation. And never turning our backs on the bees.
What scares me is that Timmy is apparently a father. I think he has daughters but I don’t remember. One of the issues I have with him is that he sounds like one of those “I know my child best 100%” and “MY child would NEVER do that!” kinda parents in his video. As someone who was once a teenage girl who was “not like other girls” (and by that I for some reason thought having a healthy relationship with my parents was “different”) I did in fact keep secrets from them. As a freshman in high school I was in a relationship with an 18 year old and would constantly message him through Facebook. I would have never admitted to being groomed. I would have said I was “mature” for my age cuz I “wasn’t like everyone else.” My point is that, you really don’t know your kids Timmy. Whether they’re in an inappropriate relationship or have thoughts of harming themselves or others, it can be difficult to see the signs even in todays world and even if you have a good relationship with them.
This is such a fantastic point. More parents need to understand that getting along great with your kid is NOT a sign that you have a healthy relationship with them. Your kid knows what upsets and pleases you better than anyone else in the world. Nature has made it as easy as possible for them to pick up on these emotional cues because their survival literally depends on it. Over time, your child will unconsciously suppress the parts of himself that overtly displease you and play up the parts that you like. These powerful attachment instincts help a child survive, as rejection and separation from caregiver = death.
Getting along great can just mean that, in order to preserve the relationship with the parent, the child has wisely chosen to hide those parts of herself that mom or dad would reject. For a parent in this predicament, what that really means is that while your kid loves you, she doesn't feel accepted by you. She doesn't feel safe enough to trust you with secrets and is protecting you emotionally from her own self. She knows you'd flip and lose your sh!t if you found out the truth. You can't handle her.
A relationship where the child has to hide parts of himself because his parents can't handle the truth of him is, I believe, how deeply troubling incidents strike loving, well-intentioned families. Loving feelings are not enough to raise a child well. To be a parent, you HAVE to know your kids, otherwise it is impossible to provide what the child needs emotionally to become a self-regulated mature adult. The real task is to cultivate a safe space for your children to talk to you about anything. If they're keeping secrets, you know you've messed up. Timmy probably understands this at a gut level. He may actually be a really great father if he's paying extra attention to this often overlooked side of parenting...or he could just be searching for an ego-boast by putting parents like Sue down. Who knows.
Respect, you’re handling the situation way better than most people would. Uploading the conversation for transparency is actually really cool of you
If Timmy's actually not trying to be malicious than his only excuse is being INSANELY clueless, like to a point that I wouldn't think is humanly possible
Mr. Bean is less clueless than him
Good response but do you know what dylan ordered at mcdonalds?
What happened at McDonald's? What happened at McDonald's!?
At this point what even is Timmy's argument its like he just wants to put Sue on trial for The Columbine Massacre. He seems to be frantically searching for some way to make it that Sue was the sole and entire reason behind it happening. I am trying to think of any other time we've ever focused this much on the parent of a criminal or that anyone has suggested they're the only reason why they did what they did. The fact he deleted the response video he made speaks volumes about how he really can't stand to any kind of scrutiny when questioned, yet he apparently seems to think Sue is unable to do this?
It's not suprising that he misrepresented your views given he has already done so for Sue. But I am kind of suprised that he even tried to respond on his own channel which was only going to get people more interested in seeing what you had to say.
He saw 'We Need to Talk About Kevin" once and assumed the Mother was to blame for everything
@@Josue-mv2fo I guess I need to watch that movie again. I remember a woman with post partum psych issues who was struggling. I remember her also trying to get some support, but she was minimised and dismissed.
@@Beyatchenator to me, she was struggling to be a mother, but also Kevin was acting wrong and being unable to establish emotion with anyone since an early age, and just like in this situation, the mom got all the blame from the media and had her new home have paint thrown at because they thought she was to blame; she making a room for Kevin is a sign of she wanting to help her son cuz she's his mother, and maybe a critic of the idea that mothers should love their children no matter what
@@Josue-mv2fo Yeah interesting. I remember thinking she must have also blamed herself. Struggling with post partum depression without the proper support may very well have long lasting impacts on the child :(
After your video and debate alot of smaller creators are calling Timmy out on his video and his behaviour in the debate
Which creators?
@@Anonymousaggro mostly smaller creators; in the sidebar I see PJ Wendigo and Pirate Titan making videos on Timmy and the debate.
Timmy "Credibility not worth" Two Cents
Timmy "Two faced" Liar
I wish i could see what comment someone left for me but youtube says no.
@alexandrel6344 The comment I posted was Timmy two faced liar.
I watched Timmy’s video first and Jesus Christ it was so messed up.
Sue repeatedly took accountability. She admits she likely missed a lot which at the time was easily dismissed due to school shootings not being common.
Timmy was pathetic in the debate “You gOt tO lEt mE sPeAk” *immediately cuts you off
“LeT mE tAlK aBoUt cOlLeEn tHe nOnce”
Keep in mind that Timmy already deleted his response video. Man has zero spine.
Happy belated birthday. Thank you for the work you put into this. You did the right thing and I appreciate so much that someone took the time and effort for it
This entire situation how earned you a sub.
I don't know, nor even hope, that all your content are these take downs, however you've shown yourself to be someone who is, at the very least, intending to be honest. On top of this you take accountability for the instances where you mess up.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
We finally found him. The Master Debator.
I hope you gained subscribers from all of this you're a very reasonable RUclipsr
Gained at least me for sure
@@dustyyshellz1320 me too definitely I'm a drama fiend lmao
@@Just.Arguingi LOVE a good debunking
Honestly great work. Thank you for caring about integrity and not just farming drama and engagement. You did the right thing and I pray Sue will never see Timmy's video 💔 it's disgusting that he's left it up
I first saw his video a couple months ago and was glad I saw yours recommended earlier this month since I thought it was reasonable for him to find her to be a bad person until you clarified a lot (perhaps even a majority, which I wasn't expecting) of his video was untrue or misleading, making it ironic for him to be manipulating in a worse way he claimed she was
Really appreciate you being honest about the debate being a total mess. Your accountability on your end is excellent and your thoroughness is appreciated, I can't wait to see more from you. Also, happy belated birthday!
He's lost all credibility in my eyes. What he did was methodical and malicious. There's no excuse!
I hope Sue...sues. 😎
It would be very bold of her to do so. kleBold that is. @@Chelaxim
Timmy is the type of guy to bum a cigarette then steal your lighter
Bruh, I've never smoked, but somehow I know this feeling.
I watched Timmy's first video and by the end I could say I did not agree with him, I remembered watching Sue Klebold's TED talk and it didn't sound like a narcissistic mother, but o well, I just left the video and went on with my life. But to think this grown men sat there and filmed a very long video accusing Sue of lying and being a terrible mother based on his own made up ideas of her, it's disgusting, and that he is doubling down? messed up. I hope more people that also saw his video find yours and like me can know that Timmy lied to all of us who watched
Same, Timmys whole angle is weird.
yup exactly
Exactly it felt like he was grasping at straws to paint a narrative. I don’t think he’s a bad guy I just don’t think he fully thought his video and idea through
@@SmokingDodo Even if that's the case, he could've used this as an opportunity to come clean and just say, "I made a mistake". Instead, he deflected and continued to say Sue is this and that even when he knows he's still holding onto lies that he made up to still have his incorrect opinion that he is presenting as FACTS.
Timmy’s video kept coming up in my recommended videos and I remember being interested in it but just immediately thinking the premise seemed kindof slimy.
At the end of the day, Timmy really just seems like a member of the “all parents fuck their kids up” crowd. Makes you wonder what his own relationship with his parents is like.
i wouldn’t be surprised if all this was personal for him for some reason. the whole thing just seems extremely dramatic, petty and out of nowhere, as if he’s directing all his hatred for parents who he thinks neglected their children onto this one person. and wasting his time vilifying a woman who lost her son over 20 years ago. that’s enough punishment
And it's very weird cause he has kids. Is he just bragging that his kids would never be school shooters because he's such a great dad, or that if his kids were a risk he'd totally figure it out and stop them? I'd think having children would make him sympathetic to Sue's position and feelings surrounding that but guess not...
Oh it seems obvious this is personal for him. He has a real fixation on her
It genuinely gives me hope to see people calling Timmy2Cents out and not falling for misinformation, thank you for putting yourself out there by making a response to that load of projection and name calling garbage
You're 100% in the right for calling him out. I'm glad you made this response video too because I didn't even realize in Timmy's response that what he was saying about the computers versus the lockers was wrong. Sneaky deceptive shit lol. Of course he kept his original video up even after everyone pointing out how wrong it is
Good work! I don't think people are mad at Timmy and/or his video about Sue just because of your reaction video alone. I think you opened the eyes of many, including myself, who had already seen Timmy's video about Sue and that led to many reading up on the matter and finding out that you were absolutely right. It gave, at least to me, a feeling of being tricked by Timmy into believing a narrative that wasn't true.
happy belated birthday man
I’m so glad Miorby’s original video came across my page. I learned that I don’t have as good of media literacy that I thought. I feel terrible for believing Timmy’s lies. He deserved to be criticized to no end for his dishonesty, at least until he takes the video down.
He has and is profited off tragedy by lying. That debate Timmy brought you to his level and beat you with experience. He WANTED you to get upset because it was all he had. He brought up him moving to manipulate us into accepting his erratic behavior. It takes a narcissist to know one Timmy. Welcome to the club, do what I do and get therapy
You know this guy doesn't make his case very great by removing his response video. Like...that's basically saying "yeah you're right and I'm a coward."
The sort of smug attitude he has in his “rebuttal” is what’s particularly infuriating to me because it shows that he still doesn’t think he’s done anything wrong and will most likely continue to do these sorts of things. I’m so grateful that your video showed up in my algorithm because if it hadn’t I would most likely have gone through the rest of my life with the very calculated narrative he put forth in my head.
You’re right to call it out like you are. If you hadn’t he could’ve continued to make harmfully misleading videos.
Timmy2cents doubling down is hilarious.
Timmy4cents
I really loved watching these. Really interesting to see all the reasoning and diversions that Timmy does. You argued the points really well in my opinion.
Maybe Timmy should just stick to video game reviews
Miorby STILL doesn’t know what happened at Macdonald’s. Sad
No but seriously, I really respect how transparent you were about how the debate went. That takes a lot of humility and honesty. You seem like a good man, my dude.
I don’t know if you would know by any chance but what was the big thing about McDonalds that he kept bringing up in his argument?
@@nicksikoryak1467 it was literally just that some people made fun of Dylan at a Macdonald’s and it made him feel depressed. That was literally the whole thing that Timmy just couldn’t let go of for some reason
I love your commentary style. Keep it up and you will be successful I feel it
Compelling, and straight to the point.
by most accounts, this dude was a pretty good content creator before the sue video. what a shame he won’t learn from this.
Can’t finish this video because it’s pissing me off too much. Thanks for addressing this. I’ve learned that I need to be more skeptical and I’m happy you’ve helped open my eyes.
He said it! He said! He said "You must never turn your back on the bees."! Yes!
i stumbled across your video debunking timmy’s original weeks after watching his out of curiosity. aside from some claims i took issue with, i thought his video was pretty solid and was convinced that sue is a narcissistic person and terrible mother. the amount of information he left out of his video was crazy. definitely will be looking more deeply into the shit i watch now.
If you think about timmys motivation it really is just absolutely disgusting.
I recently read Sue‘s book „A Mothers Reckoning“ and it broke my heart how much she blames herself. I hope in the last 25 years she could somehow heal from what happened.
Notifications on for a channel with integrity.
You have to say 'wahh don't cancel him', but it's not up to you. He is cancelled in my book.
Idk if you or anyone will read this but I appreciate your video as well as your response Miorby. Especially keeping everything up and making corrections and taking accountability for errors in a meaningful way. I remember when I watched Timmy’s video when it came out and I kept getting this weird feeling that he got things wrong and immediately fact checked things I had read a long time ago. The whole video just came off as a character assassination of Sue and the whole controversial topic of Columbine that is rarely covered anymore considering how common similar things happen now. It was like he was hoping he could spin a narrative about a topic no longer fresh in people’s minds in order to avoid any pushback. Coming off that successful Tarkov video he decided dip into covering things like Sue or his other video about Ruby Franke like a journalist. Except RUclipsrs are not held to the same standard as a journalist because if his original video was printed as an article it would’ve never gotten published as it is cherry picked opinion and not journalistic fact. And with people now getting most of their info from videos like his instead of actual verified sources and journalistic accounts there needs to be some better accountability and something in the way of journalistic integrity by citing of sources in video descriptions, making meaningful corrections as needed, and making it clear that a video like Timmy’s is an opinion, not a fact. But anyways you got a like and subscribe from me and I look forward to more videos in the future. Despite what Timmy said I think you got a good future on here. Also Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays brother!
nice job with how youve handled this situation! very mature. keep it up Miorby!!
also the fact that his response was taken down before you made this video is damning in itself
For those wondering Goat took down his response video because it wasn't a good look - a lot of his views change to fit his narrative from one video to the next. Wish it was still up for everyone to see.
You did a great thing Miorby. I appreciate it a lot.
The fact that he tried to pin her as a narcissist, like having NPD is some ~big scary thing~ that makes her a ~bad person~ automantically makes me trust you over him. Anyone implying that people having NPD is some evil, sinister thing isnt trustworthy, imo. Even if Sue does have responsibility in this, trying to pin her as a narcissist is just... ableism. I tend to give Sue more credit than him, because at least she seems to care about mental health struggles.
Narcissist doesn't necessarily mean NPD. And yes, cluster Bs and neurotypicals are dangerous
Dude that’s not ableism, narcissism isn’t a disability and the vast majority of narcissists are HORRIBLE people. The better point to make is that Sue absolutely isn’t one lmao
@@bacicinvatteneaca
Cluster B’s are dangerous? So you are saying people with schizophrenia are inherently dangerous? Or have I misunderstood.
@@bacicinvatteneacaThere is zero evidence out there that people with Cluster B personality disorders are more likely to be abusers and dangerous compared to the general population. Inversely, people with Cluster B personality disorders are actually more likely to be victims of violent crime and abuse than the general population. You're wrong and you're ableist.
@@dalpaengiSchizophrenia isn't a cluster B personality disorder, but that is a belief that people hold about schizophrenics quite often sadly.
instructions unclear, I dived head first into the bees
Not the bees!
Appreciate your transparency thru all this- so many actual examples, and not hiding your less great moments like the debate. Mad respect, subbed.
I wouldn't have expected anything else from him. You're totally right to say this is your last video, dont be bated into anymore with him, its already messy enough and you won't gain anything.
he did it to fit his narrative i can’t believe he’s still trying to die on that hill
It's infuriating to see that Timmy would rather double down on spinning a tragedy of bullying, radicalization, and mental illness into a tale of a "narcissistic mother" than admit that he lied. Like what's crazy to me is that he focuses on Sue Klebold so much to the point that he's absolving the actual perpetrators. If we're gonna armchair psychoanalyze people, he can at least be like the rest of the true crime community and talk about the perpetrators. All of his points reek of redpill Reddit rhetoric about evil mothers and he's so far down the misogyny rabbit hole that he'd rather blame an uninvolved woman than the boys who actually did it.
Im glad to see you accept that the debate was a mess, when I saw that I thought for a moment it was so ridiculous that it was staged, I’ve been waiting for any of you both to say that you actually made all this shit up, but I don’t know if the fact that it isn’t fake makes it any better. I was so invested in this story, and your intervention was very much needed, with this and the nickisnotgreen situation I need to pay more attention to the content in consuming .
Yes you really should... Most people who actually believed what he was saying were children. You look like an adult. Why would you just believe what a stranger is telling you online? Especially a random RUclipsr. He made a video saying Sue had to take accountability! For what!? She didn't kill or shoot anyone! That wasn't a red flag to you?
@@Leleche I never said I believed it, I said I need to pay more attention cause it’s a fact, I don’t consume this content while paying full attention, I play video games or do other stuff like work or paint, it’s more like a podcast, so I just didn’t care enough to fact check it, I did not share it nor comment on it but I did tell my roommate the things I did not agree with, since I looked at it as an opinion piece, it did not change my perception of Sue Klebold, but I had watched the Ted talk waaaay before Timmy’s video was posted, which is why I clicked on it on the first place. If I were to comment on it, share it or something I’d most likely fact check it first, not only I’m an adult, I studied communications, that doesn’t mean that I cannot be gullible from time to time.
As I said in my first comment, it really made me reflect on the way I’m consuming content on RUclips, specially right now with the Hbomberguy’s video, Iluminaughtii and Somerton’s plagiarism. We come to RUclips to watch videos for entertainment, but content has changed through the years, this video essay thing is not new but it’s popular right now so we learn from mistakes. This video probably showed on my feed because I am very invested in fact checking and investigation, but I’m sure it wasn’t the case for a ton of people. Happy holidays!
I literally couldn't finish watching the debate because it was so painful, what a specimen of a human being to just blatantly lie about a lady who had to go through such a tragedy. Tim's audacity is through the roof lol.
I wish timmy could provide people with an explanation on what Sue did as a parent that was so different and bad from all the other parents that fail their kids in some way that turned hers into a school shooter. there are definitely worse parents out there and their kids don't become murderers. So that insight would be very helpful
Bro I just found this and thank you so much for exposing this weirdo for his blatant attempt of character assassination
i had a twilight zone moment when i watched ur original video, because i didnt realize how much i’d blindly accepted from timmy’s video without fact-checking it. something felt off about a youtuber who doesn’t know any of the victims personally trying to determine the motives of the mother of one of the perpetrators, so its refreshing to hear someone’s counter argument
i bet timmys kids will be model citizens that will never be able to hide anything from timmy when they grow up - no way would they ever do anything without him knowing as he has complete control and is all seeing, a bit like that god fellow.
Glad to see that you did some self reflection after the interview. :)
You looking at the comments on his video was 100% valid, as those were the direct messages that were taken from that video, deliberately and successfully making Sue look like a monster to those otherwise unaware of her. Shame on him.
People defending this whole "Ahhh! Rage! Hate everything! The world is a SCAM! Everybody sucks but me!" -meta that the internet is obsessively involved in currently is just so upsetting. Picking on a scarred mother trying her best to atone for the sins of her son is so disgusting and makes me so deeply sad inside. The fact that it's lost on this Timmy character who, mind you, is out here influencing scores of young people (if the comments on your original response video are anything to go by) is outright effing pathetic. Thank you for taking the time to stand up for something real. It's rare, takes a toll, but is so SO necessary in this climate. I appreciate the work you've done here. People need to learn that researching a topic doesn't mean "drum up a statement and then attempt to force in supporting details beneath the byline". I feel almost as if we've lost that in most forms of modern media, and now, some humans have never known anything else but. Frightening times, man. Frightening times. A million times, thank you.
Happy birthday bro.
Geez this is so frustrating to listen to 😂
I really appreciate your video on Sue, respect
I just realized that this is the exact same guy that made "The Wiggle That Killed Tarkov" video... My disappointment is beyond immeasurable and my faith in video essays is ruined.
God what makes this even more frustrating is how smug Timmy looked in every part of this whole thing, but especially in the response video. He truly cannot stand to be corrected on ANYTHING. You'd think that if his goal was to convince viewers that his initial video and it's errors weren't made in bad faith, he'd own up to at least some mistakes/ommissions. Thanks for your thoughtful responses to his oddly aggressive hit piece.
Imagine being so stubborn that you refuse to take accountability for your blatant lies, it's incredible the amount of cope Timmy is able to come up with
So, he wants a woman who is so open about how she feels like a failure as a mother and person for not noticing the signs in her son to feel like more of a failure and be vilified further by the public… this seems malicious especially since he thinks anyone can spot any signs of any depression. I’m not saying she is depressed, but I am saying Timmy’s video isn’t something that makes people less depressed
Timmy is a child. Because of his behavior. But also because adults don't call themselves Timmy.
I really appreciate your disclaimer that this wasn’t about drama and acknowledgment that the debate was indeed a hot mess. I agree that Timmy was being difficult but both parties could have handled it with more respect to the subject matter and put their personal differences aside. This is yet another thing that Timmy will not accept responsbility for. And it’s understandable to be passionate about this topic. But other than that, I think we all sincerely appreciate your videos and insights on this matter. It’s really opened my eyes and I am grateful for the fact that you are helping set the story straight. The fact that he deleted his response clearly shows that he is in the wrong here. He should be embarrassed.
Happy Belated Birthday, and thank you for your content on this. Unfortunately, Tim just cannot own up to his deception.
I just want to know...what did Sue do to Timmy because he hates her GUTS.
No idea. Timmy just oozes cruelty and sadism.
That ending was confusing
By leaving the video up, he's no better than Alex Jones.
i wish youd focused more on his assumptions that sue was responsible for the shootings and his assertion that she was a narcassist, rather than his misatributing quotes, as proof he was being malicious and not just incompitent. yes i do think the way he misrepresented those quotes seems malicious but its kind of impossible to prove, its why in the debate you both just kept repeating the same thing with you saying it must be on purpose and him saying it was just a mistake. but the way he charactarizes sue is not a mistake its indicative of his true feelings about her, he never proves these things about her they are just his opinions and i think that is a lot more indicative of his intent
Agreed. He should have definitely brought up the fact that he continually maligns Sue, as you stated, that would have shown his true intentions
How does Timmy justify blatantly lying unless he convinced himself of his own lies
Honestly I'm just really confused by his motivations. This man went through immense effort to twist words in order to support his smear campaign against sue for... What? He's basically nuked his whole RUclips career and while he couldn't have known at posting it'd turn out this way why bother risking such a fake and misrepresenting video? I'm just genuinely baffled at this one sided fued Tummy has with Sue like man he fucking hates her guts for some unknown reason
My best guess? He was trying to jump on OG school shooters mom (only one who has spoken out a lot) because of Ethan’s parents being put to trial. That’s my best guess and the timing makes sense.
i think it’s just some rando that wanted money. it was the first video on his channel, he was probably thinking about what to make and sue’s Ted talk was recommended to him. what better way to create views and therefore money than by taking a concept everyone’s agreeing with (sue klebold’s highly popular Ted talk) and turning it on his head? guaranteed millions of views.
I just binged the whole Timmy/Miorby saga and wow, that was good. I fell for that bald guy's video initially, hook line and sinker. You've done excellent research and have been very fair in all your points and arguments, takes me back to the days of good investigative journalism. TImmy's strawmanning, outright lying, and purposefully withholding information is the nail in the coffin. I'm sure tons of people will support him after watching only his video and falling for it, but there will always be a contingent of people that know he's a fraud and will hold him to it as long as he's on the internet. All it takes is some flashy editing and a room that looks like every big RUclipsr's room and the wool is pulled over tons of eyes.
I'm thankfully not the type of person to be driven to harrass someone based on a RUclips video, but I did watch that video and went away thinking Sue was very shameless and naive. In this era of RUclips where we are learning how shameless a lot of video essayists are, I'm a lot less trusting of people thanks to folks like you.
it still bothers me that his original video has 3.3 million views while the one you made debunking it only has a fraction. too many people still believe sue is a horrible person! it's so sad!
I personally think it's really telling that he deleted his rebuttal video pretty much right after you announced you were making your own. Really says it all.
I feel bad for Timmy that he can't see the truth