Andrew Huang's Flip Sampler Needs Work (Plugin Police)
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I bought the app. Wrote feedback asking for custom file paths for samples and they emailed back in a day saying they are working on it. It's a great app
I started on Caustic and it was amazing back then because I was homeless and I didn't have money for software/gear. Even though it's simple as fuck I was able to make some okay music with it, which at the time made me ecstatic. The synths are pretty decent for crappy synths. You can make pretty creative stuff if you put yourself to the task. I think you can load pretty long samples into the PCM synth and drum machine too.
I made 2 full beat tapes using Caustic.
Search for “Dizzy_the_kid - Na sombra” ...
caustic is insane for what you're paying for. It's worth it for the modular synth alone.
I bought it and never used it 😂 but I think it’s great for what is at that price point. If you want a daw experience buy Ableton ,Fl studio , Logic etc. On the mobile side there soo many options to choose from and you can always return the app if you don’t like it. On the flip side , how many classic records have been made with even more frustrating equipment that cost 1000’s of dollars. Printing to tape didn’t have an undo button and the early synths didn’t even have a save feature. I think we live in a great time make music 🎶 instead of criticizing the tools. I know that’s your thing and we need honest channels like yours to light the fire under app/software makers and keep the community informed.
Peace
I think this is also down to the less is more adagium.
Thanks for the honest review... I imagine it being kinda hard.... Andrew is a really cool part of the community... Koala is incredible.
He's a smug penis, not so cool
@@craigevans4694 😂😆
Why would it be hard, giving things negative reviews is this guy’s entire brand lmao
All I want extra for Koala is a pattern arranger.
Andrews app had me looking into Mobile DAWs/Samplers. I found FL mobile is seriously underrated - its basically a full daw and for the price it makes more sense getting that over Andrews app.
But I mean he obv has a much smaller team than IL but just speaking from cost if your going to spend money on an app get FL Mobile.
Nah fr FL mobile is fucking under rated, mf make actually good sounding color bass w it
Totally agree. FL mobile only gets better, & they actually listen to feature requests/ideas (mine got implemented, & it's a simple game changer for mobile DAWs)
The only thing FLM was/is still missing was a proper sampler, & Koala Sampler more than makes up for that, so get both apps
@@SwiftDreamer dude whaa?! 😂 What idea of yours did they do? that's crazy
@@SwiftDreamer did you get the most recent update with the new Sampler machine? They really stepped it up recently with the whole DAW. also, what on earth could you possibly need to do with a sampler, that fl mobile can't already do natively? i can't think of a single thing it can't do as far as sampling, making chops, manipulating audio, etc. Maybe i'm just used to it being a manual task and not conventional. But yea man especially with the new Slicer machine, its a wrap. 😂
true. and nothing available even comes close to comparing to fl mobile. all these other apps are literally one of the pieces of everything fl mobile does. like you want a car and they offer you 20% of an engine, and a couple seats. here's your "daw" lol
they have decades of R+D in fl studio, put into a mobile interface. vs. some new devs trying to do something from scratch. i mean this with all love as a dev myself, but when people understand the full magnitude of fl mobile, everything else is laughable at best and a waste of time beyond a fun toy or maybe making a few cool little things. fl mobile is as professional as it gets, being it's just on a small handheld linux device we call phones, and it's not even anywhere near it's full potential yet. it still has a lot of annoying little things but the functionality is absolutely unmatched, by several orders of magnitude. it's not even apples and oranges, it's a whole other universe : )
I kinda stumbled upon your channel by accident again yesterday. It rang a bell, but it was kinda vague. As I'm sure you already know, you could have been a Britpop legend - and that's a good thing. But not being British, this is probably the best alternative. A well needed mix of air, opinion and whatever may come along, and as such it never gets boring. I like that.
I will say I do enjoy using Flip on my phone from time to time.... It's a good time waster, beat maker, and can get my creative juices flowing. I'll say you make great points and these are things I ran into myself such as only 9 samples, and limited effects... It has its place and for the price I don't think it's bad. It has brought me fun with some of my music friends and that in itself is worth the what, 7 dollars for the app? Also something can be said for the whole "limiting yourself to bring out creativity" thing as well. Don't get me wrong, not a flame, you make 100% valid criticisms.
I love the automation and the performance section, plus the variable loop lengths of the automation. I haven’t used it for while, I’ve forgotten if there was parameter locking for FLIPping the sounds. But KOALASAMPLER is KING 👾
Key Holiday messages this year:
1) be kind to others - karma is real
2) it’s not always easy, but try your best to be kind to others.
3) YT Producers: FFS stop making plugins - they suck!
Amazing how number 3 on your list is not being kind to others.
I really love fl mobile, because when I have school I don't really have time to make music overall, so having it on my phone makes it possible for me to make music on the bus rides etc.
I'm def too old for that now, but it's amazing we can have stuff like this these days. I am not upbeat about our relation with tech, but let's not throw away the good with the bad.
9 sounds. 9?! What is this, a DAW for ants?
At the far other side of the spectrum is G-Stomper. G-Stomper is to mobile DAWs as Melda is to vst plugins. You need an advanced math degree to use it and it will instantly make your eyes bleed. But like Melda plugins, G-Stomper can do everything, and it does everything with the highest quality. Will you actually be able to harness its power? Lol who are you, Steven Hawking? No, you're not, so you will be left confused, bleeding out of your eyes, just like me. But I like torture for some reason, so I press on with hopes of using only my phone to make the next big banger that Pvlace steals.
There almost wasn't enough "massive hate" but you saved it at the end.
Can’t wait to hear Ave M review this. If you’re this hard on it, his should be brutal af 😂
Thanks. Have you looked at Ableton Note yet? I understand that you do not have an iPhone. This seems to have a bit similar look and feel.
Me personally, I don't see the purpose of a DAW on a smartphone beyond the reason of passing time as if it's a video game. But maybe in the future there will be a billboard chart-topping song that was produced on mobile.....with Unison Audio plugins and a mid chord pack😁😁🤣
There are already people producing charting hits on iPad. Plenty of professional plugins on the system, from fabfilter, eventide, Moog, Sugar Bytes, and hundreds of others. It’s an incredible platform for creativity.
I dont understand why you'd have such a small sample limit for a paid app, the only thing stopping them is design decisions
Cost cutting is the only thing I can figure, he wanted to push out a paid app.
@@shocktnc I hope that they add a feature for more samples later, otherwise I'm sure they'll get even more critique
@@shocktnc not at all.
It's about design.
The devs probably went through a lot of form factors and sample amounts and ended up feeling like 9 would be the most wieldy while still being usable.
Let me remind you this is content that is supposed to fit within a 5inch screen in the worst case scenarios.
This isn't to say it's not a valid criticism, but rather that there's a loooooooot more to getting a sampler with more thank 9 pads being comfortable to use within an app aimed at ease of use.
It's not about cost cutting, though, I doubt it would be much more expensive to just add more pads.
Also also, might have also been to prevent people with less competent hardware from feeling like they can't run the app. That's also a factor here...
Those beats go hard!!
Just by coincidence youve reviewed plugins/app that im trying to get into. Thanks for the heads up . Love your content. Stay bless g.
I think you made all valid points on the good and bad of this app. Although, you said that the stock sounds were “meh” which is kinda subjective to you because of the kind of music you make, if you make more IDM glitchy Andrew Huang style music I think they’re great. But again, subjective:)
The pitch detection is atrocious.
Koala is almost perfect. I would like to see a proper mixer page. Other than that, it's stable, intuitive and very powerful
Just discovered your channel not so long ago and I love it ! Keep pushing
Agreed. This is refreshing.
Ableton Note! needs work but it's very intuitive and somehow makes you comes with ideas very easily.
But there's no Android version. That sucks.
@@aemythjensen It's harder to make as there's so many variables on the amount of androids phones out there!
@@MsElementProds yeah I understand that but, isn't the job of the android api to take care of all those differences? furthermore, if they had used a platform like xamarin or .net maui when programming the iphone version, wouldn't the android version have been done automatically?
@@aemythjensen Still. There are hardware variables. Having access to the API only gives you a roadmap to the functions and protocols of the OS in question. Not to the phone brand and model in use. In other words, too much work. /:
As far as I know, they were hiring IOS developers about a year ago or so. My guess is they used Xcode/Swift.
Looks like they’re just first testing waters on the mobile market. Maybe after some solid ground on the IOS before branching out.
@@MsElementProds Got it. Thanks.
Looks promising. Still haven't used the FL Mobile or Cubasis I got last Black Friday. Been thinking about getting my 6 year old started on a device, then moving to desktop. Meaning to try, just haven't had the time. Nice work. Thought Andrew would get more smoke. Good on him.
FL is terribly frustrating compared to koala
Fair review, but I think you didn't get the idea of the automation.
It's there to let you evolve the sound in weird ways over longer or shorter periods of time than the base loop, as such letting you shape complex and weird sounds. Automation is mostly there as a creative tool.
On that same subject, I don't understand why you had the chord twice on that other beat you made? Cause you could absolutely work that into a single pad. Here, though I do agree you are a little bit too limited, it's also interesting to work with those limitations.
the only person I found contact about flip was huangs manager. you know what he said? that he is not responsible. 🤯
I'm happy you adjusted the windscreen on your microphone, it would've been too much a distraction otherwise.
I didn't mind the 9 track limitation, but (atleast on the android as of this moment) automations across patterns are a bit problem ridden. Maybe it's my phone too, not top knotch but the app seems to work fine... i think? So before the last update, all automations would be the same across all patterns. You do a filter sweep in pattern 2, it would filter sweep on all patterns. What it does now is if you do a filter sweep in a pattern and the sweep ends towards the top where it's all high freq, or ends low, or where ever it ends that's where the filter will be set for the next pattern in your song arrangement, instead of reseting or going by the value where it was set in that other pattern.
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also you can play in different time sigs by shortening the grid
Thats true but who wants to do math 🤮
I hear some stress assassin as well as seatbelts in the background... nice taste
I’m just using garage band to record from my sp 404 at this point streamlines having to set up a laptop
Only just now got finished making my first "song" with flip, I'm a total production noob but definitely loving koala more so far. I also encountered some crashes on pixel, and saw some bugs that weren't mentioned but finally managed to put something cohesive together
Never worked with Pixel, but got to know the name when I tried to install a MIDI controller and everyone was losing their shit about the software not working with pixel.
No value at all to this statement, but there you have it.
I really like Ableton Note! its not on android yet though..
I cannot forsee anything replacing
FL Mobile (on a tablet) in my life.
Genuinely my child dream realized
Makes me happy af
Beat maker 3 , Cubasis 3
Garageband is the only one I've ever used, honestly. I prefer working on a computer like a sensible fucking human being.
Just so you guys know, if you DO have an iPhone, you get garage band for free, which will hands down be the best, most polished app you’re going to get on a phone to make music on for free. The price you pay is being an apple nerd 😅
This app definitely does include a couple features I already saw that you can’t do on on garage band iOS. Mostly doing automation outside of volume
I had problems with somekind of latency look a like, but then I thought, can wireless earphone connected with Bluetooth be the problem. And YUP that’s it. Luckily it works fine again😅
iOS is a completely different world with beatmaking. Plugins, Inter app connectivity, midi effects, hell even scaler 2. It’s like the difference between Abbey Road Studios and that studio from “Oh Brother Where Art Thou” where they sing into the tin can.
Word! iOS is pretty sick for music production. I’ve rocked Flip on iPhone for a long time and love it
@@JoeySokol I briefly got into Flip after it came out - it’s a very capable app, I just wish it had more connectivity. Ableton Note ended up appealing to me much more with it’s very efficient interface and its exports fully utilizing Ableton’s instruments, effects and samplers, making it an ideal song starter.
@@AdamsBrew78 Ableton Note is my favorite! I purchased it the day it was released and I love how easily you can interface with Live via the new cloud features. I 💜 Ableton
@@JoeySokol Definitely! I just started importing my Note projects into desktop Ableton a couple days ago, expecting it to be like Ampify Groovebox or Gadget’s plain MIDI + audio stems Ableton exports..Was blown away.
If Caustic 3 had dedicated audio tracks, it would be one of the best (if not *the* best) daws on android.
DATS DA SOUND OF DA POLICEEEEEEEEEEEE
I couldn't even get it figured out 😭
damn, I thought I made a mistake getting Koala instead of this but I guess not
And another 1🗣
“having to import samples one by one is a CIA torture tactic” LMFAO that was funny
My fav mobile music making thing is mazetoolz mutant
if you put all other mobile "daws" together, it would only be a grain of sand on the beach, and fl mobile would be the tsunami wave heading toward the shore. tbh bro. nothing even compares
Just checked and sad to see FL Mobile is still way outdated on iPad. Only outdated IAA audio, no AUV3 plugin support - which means no way to use the hundreds of desktop instruments, effects and midi effect plugins that have been ported to the platform.
Cubasis 3, Roland Zenbeats or Garageband are the way to go.. (Or maybe Drambo, for a modular groovebox style workhorse)
@@AdamsBrew78 i see what you're saying, but total cross compatibility is impossible just because of the nature of ios. i don't think we will ever see the 2 worlds interconnect. but i still haven't seen any ios app that can do for me what fl mobile does. i started making electronic music before even fl studio, and look at the mobile app as like, if this was all i had, what could i do, vs. desktop. minus the vst support, there's not much. if there is something that can do for me what i can do just whipping out my phone, and have full production capability, i would love to see it! i've been looking for a long time. but i wouldn't be ios based. it would be interesting to make an entire comprehensive list of positives and negatives, of the stuff you mentioned, vs. fl mobile, side by side. i don't stay on what i think is the best, i would see the true potential, and there would be a new king mobile daw (in my mind anyways) 🤟✨️
@@AdamsBrew78 also, i have been curious for a long time if they purposefully don't develop fl mobile more than it is now, because they don't want to jeapordize selling fl studio to new customers, if everyone or 90% of people could just have the actual identical program on mobile. also curious if Steinberg, who owns vst format still as far as i know, (i might be wrong on that) would go along with that either. Like if i sell cars, then you and me partner up to sell these cars with your engine, but i start selling my go karts also to everyone in the village and no one needs a car now lol. idk i wanna ask them whats up.
Pretty accurate, I just reviewed it
oh shit u skate too? would love to see some mashup content w skating somehow
for a mobile app flip sampler is the best
No multi sampled instruments either i guess but its a phone app
"Unless you're playing in a non-diatonic song." Well, aren't we all?
Caustic 3 is not bad. It's a shame it wasn't updated in a while tho
Damn demo 3 was pretty fire
That bald head is coming
I think flip could be improved by adding a b section for samples
Try ableton live note if you have an ios device
I use Caustic 3, its a very old app but has a lot you can do with it
You’re right snare flams are so useless
Idk if they fixed it, but I laughed when I launched it on a 13 pro and some of the buttons were blocked by the notch thingy
Oof
Should check out Caustic 3. its legit reason on mobile ok ok not exactly but its pretty dang close to it. its a oldie but a goody
anything mobile music production is way better on IOS flip hot trash though, and android latency is really bad. AUM and cubasis 3 are pro apps and deserve 20 stars out of ten .
It's almost as if these RUclipsrs make a half arsed product to get a quick few quid from their fans.
Use Cubase mobile and Caustic...
Thoughts on Soundtrap? They have it for mobile too and my gf has made some dope beats on it. Nice to be able to start something on your phone and finish it on your computer w/o having to bounce it.
Honestly, I think Flip Sampler looks great.
You could use this for creative effects or bounce samples fuller loops from koala
With already owning fl mobile and koala, this app would have to do something revolutionary and apparently it didn't so I'll pass
ah thanks for this. I bought the crap and it crashed for example on loopy pro. all those huang guys did not care a sh,,,, about it. it is a promo huang what you expect more? pffff want my money back for flip!,,,
U should review the syfer midi kits, it’s a drum midi pack,
demo 3 fire
You do know that after this review Flip will be taken off the market until it passes the Plugin Police seal of approval ...
Man check out Ableton Note its really nice
I can't its ios only
Sure, only 9 samples is a limitation. Keep in mind that limitations sparks creativity.
Exactly! I feel like it’s a forced limitation for that reason.
@@Taeodoestech I think you are right about forced limitation. Actually a great trick the devs used!
Id rather just play with my mpc and synths
Koala is just so much better all around.
AA sample player
I ended up buying Koala lol
Beatmaker 3 and Cubasis 3 are THE BEST ON iOS. FL MOBILE IS 🗑
Not sure what a flam is for other than when using hi-hats. REALLY? 😂
"It's truly exhilarating to use it while driving" ~ Wut?!?
Jokes
I bought FL mobile bc I was in the hospital this week, that app needs sidechaining so bad
Honestly, no good can come from mobile Daws… might as well be MTV Music Generator 🎉
I used to feel this way. I think it can be a good starting point for a track though if for some reason you aren't at your computer and have free time. Definitely easier to sample than write something
@@Weaverbeats look, I have to justify the coin I dropped on my Mac book pro ‘22 so that’s my mobile unic..er.. I mean mobile unit. So that being said I can confidently back up that previous statement, I mean, just go out and drop four fig$ on a Mac book pro and never speak of this again. Capeche?! (I think that’s how it’s spelled)
Broke Boi? My Galaxy was $25 MORE than the iPhone
Edit: That's a Galaxy tablet, no?
Some of the footage is from their video or koalas video
With 2 clicks i have the drip plugin and sandbox in my recycle bin 🗑️
I thought I was the only one who thinks Bandlab mobile blows lol
just change the root
4 bars....
Lol Andrew sold out already. Money money money mon ay…….mon…AAA. Whatever Koala is a very powerful tool loot.
you being an android user is completely on brand
I never got into Koala because the whole idea of having samples on my phone just seemed weird to me. I'm not sure why, I have a ludicrously large SD card so there's tons of empty space. But I also don't like playing games on my phone. So, I think it's just unnatural to me.
you can use another app to sample directly from youtube or wherever you want, and chop it up in koala
FL Mobile is deff superior
Please, don't use it while driving a car.
I want to though 😠
I get that you wanna do plugin reviews but ACAB so calling yourself the police is pretty off putting.
Go outside
@@spacebook8923 he won't, probably scared of a cab.
Lmao.
He's modeling himself off content police from idubbz, which is just about the whole idea of the police (when they're not killing black people) bring those who persecute and bring to justice the bad people.
Well I am a bastard
I agree it's trying to force something to make music on a phone but sometimes if I'm waiting at the airport or on the bus and don't want to bring my whole computer out it's kinda fun to kill time. Teenage engineering made a cool app for Pixel phones where you have to use the audio from videos that I wasted a lot of odd hours playing with 🫢