The Best Crankset NO ONE Knows About!
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I just ride vintage cranks, i use what i get, i have no complaints, i stopped buying new cranks and other components as it's just not worth it anymore when you can find loads of bikes at your recycling facility or any other place where people dispose of their scrap, in just a few years i built up a huge collection of really good parts, people really don't know what they have.
Where do you find these bike junk yards
It's not just bike junkyards. There's plenty of bike co-ops out there as well/ non profit recycling shops. In Boston there's the Somerville bike kitchen and bikes not bombs. If you live near a big city or university, there's probably gonna be one.
I love vintage cranks. Usually at bike co-ops they're like $15-30 and they don't look at the model. One time I got Ultegra 600 cranks for $15.
On ebay, the prices are a little inflated, but even say $50 for an old school deore crankset is still under $100 for a crank of more or less comparable quality. Velobase and bike forums are a good resource for looking up compatibilities and parts data.
Co op/charity near me has bins and bins and bins full of components that have been donated
Totally agree with your observation - shiny silver on a bike looks cool, and the crankset is one of the defining parts on a bike. Also agree on square taper and 110/74 5 arm BCD. Beside the new ones you promote, there are beautiful older parts, like the Shimano FC-M730 or Sachs Quartz. Give them a polish and new chain rings and they are better than new.
00:10 I think we need a “get weird on your bike” sticker 😂
42x26 is a great combo for loaded touring and/or severe “hillage”. I wouldn’t worry about spinning out, just thankful to have that issue. 👍
I agree! I ride 29x2.2‘s and 11-40 cassettes. Takes me anywhere.
Like many, I was taken in by the simplicity of 1x and spent about 6 months touring on a 1x system. Once the honeymoon was over, I realized that a nice wide-range double would be far better for my needs, but really struggled to find decent options to build the drivetrain I wanted.
It's great to see so many fantastic options emerging!
IMO, 1x for durability and reliability, 2x for distance (cadence).
@@SnakebitSTI - 1x is less durable. The constantly angled chainline causes quicker wear. With a double/triple you can maintain a much straighter chainline and limit the wear somewhat.
I love 1x on my mountain bike. It's so nice having that simplicity when you're flying down the side of a mountain and don't have time to think, but that 12 speed 51 tooth cassette is expensive to replace! 😅
@@VeloObscura More durable against impacts.
@@SnakebitSTI yeah, 1x doesn't throw chains as much on non clutched setups
bcd 104/64 mtb crankset with shimano r7000 fd, it can have 42-48 large chainring and 24-32 small chainring. And it cheap enough.
Nice to see some love for the Square Taper Cartridge. It’s reliable, easy (and cheap!) to replace, and will serve for about 95% of even serious cyclists.
Anyone who has STA( Square Taper Aversion) needs to experience cotter pins 🤮. OMG I feel sick even typing cotter pins🤮. I'm not saying I hate them far from it, what I feel comes from the very darkest part of my soul. 😂😂😂
You just triggered a lot of trauma by mentioning….those cranks. I need to call my therapist.
Creak, creak, creak, creak...oh, the memories.
Cotter pins with single-piece cranks. Now that's a doozy! Had an entire fleet of rental husky cruisers with that setup.
@@spitchgrizwald6198 Wow yep i didn't know they had a name. I am misremembering what a cotter is, i was thinking of 'spanner' adjustment where there's two holes to fit the spanner wrench into. They always slip out.
Very informative, Russ. I always appreciate your videos. One of the only places a person can trust to get this type of information. Thanks again.
Not forgetting the tripleizer chainrings. I use Shimano 600 or 7402 cranks with 42/26 and 38/26. This allows me to use a short rear derailleur with an 11-28 cassette. Pure Microdrive. Long live the square!
I love shorter cranks, I have only tried 165 so I would love to see if the 160s are better!!!! Thanks for always making run to your channel!!! Congrats on making it official too! ❤❤
1 up to Spécialitiés T.A. Carmina. The spider is bolted to the right crank arm, and I use 110/74 too - love it.
Got 24/34/42 to 12-32 9-speed Cassette on my tourer running to Ultegra shifters. XT front Derailer, XTR rear.
T.A. Do shorter cranks 155mm shortest IIRC
I have some myself in 155mm and love the finish. Also shoutout to Middleburn, have some of their RS7 square taper cranks in 160mm, very cool looking crank
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Canfield was my introduction to short cranks. I put 160mm on my all mountain bike. They’re MTB and downhill standard only though, so good if you’ve got a 73mm BB shell. If you want 2x you’re going to need a Northshore Billet SRAM spider for it.
Square taper is my default choice on any build partly for crank/chainring size options but mostly because I've yet to kill a genuine Shimano square taper (NB I carry the bike through deep water).
Dixna's La Crank is quite well-known among roadies in Japan. No one talks about it outside of Japan because Dixna is one of those typical modern Japanese brands that short-sightedly markets their products to only domestic customers, commonly with an unnecessarily nationalistic tagline like "specifically designed FOR Japanese people." Those taglines creep me out because they describe it as if Japanese people have a particular physical trait (but not Korean, Chinese, or folks from any other part of the globe). Yes, it makes sense to sell shorter cranks in the East Asian market as we have a larger demographic that fits in the shorter end of the human race's height/leg length spectrum. But they shouldn't be limiting the target audience just to Japan or East Asia. Short cranks are for everyone!
Side note:
I've been running Sugino Mighty Mignon 150mm crankset on a 1x (38t, 110 PCD) drivetrain. Currently planning to go 2x (26t-40t, 74-110 PCD) by drilling a new set of holes to an old Deore LX crankset to shorten it from 175mm to 155mm.
"But they shouldn't"
As non-Japanese, I say they can do however they please as long as they don't cause direct harm to anyone, which by definition they can't unless they were punching everyone with their cranks. Your "they shouldn't/should" demands make you sound a bit, you know...
@@channul4887 Well, how does that make me sound? I’m genuinely curious. As a non-native speaker, my English might not be good enough to gauge how strong I sound. Did I maybe imply something that I didn’t mean to?
Yes, you’re right that they can do whatever they want, and I have no direct or strong demand for them to change their marketing plans. I just wanted to point out that their” designed for Japanese” branding appears unnecessarily exclusive and self-limiting, given that they let their products hit the global market. There are riders everywhere who can benefit from using shorter cranks.
@@bikaci Similar to the J-Fit frames I've come across.
@@bikaci "unnecessarily exclusive and self-limiting"
That's your opinion. There's no law that dictates that you must sell everywhere. Maybe they want to keep the product exclusive so that it reaches a mythical status and allows them to survive. Maybe they want to keep things simple and don't want to deal with aggro and cost of dealing with customers and support/legal outside of JP. You come across as extremely entitled and self-righteous, you realise that?
@bikaci Hi! Thanks for the info! I take a chance with your knowledge of the brand. They say it only fits Sram 10s, any idea why it could not be compatible with an 11 speed cassette? Arigato 🙋🏻♂️
I recently got an Origin8 crank 110BCD 160mm, I think 155 is available too. Decent cheap square taper crank. Wish I switched to the shorter crank length earlier.
Yay smaller gears!
(1) it is possible to shim out external BB cranks, but not a ton
(2) Note that the New Albion cranks actually infringe Sugino's trademark... Oops. They need to change their tooling to remove the crown-S Sugino logo.
I wanted a sub-compact 2X crankset for my road bike. Unfortunately Sugino OX 601/801/901 and IRD Lobo cranksets are too expensive. So I bought a used triple Ultegra 6604 crankset, removed the big chainring and voilà! It has cost less than 100$ CAD. Now I ride a 24 / 39 crankset with a 16x36 10 speed cassette. As a bonus, the weight is less than the Sugino OX and IRD Lobo cranksets for less than 1/4 the cost. By the way all my other bikes are 3x10 and my granny gear is 20x36. Also my bikepacking bike has a 20x42 granny gear. I'm an happy camper with happy knees and back.
White Industries cranks totally rule but I never wanted to shell out nearly $500 for crank arms and chainrings. Finally did it for my Appaloosa and they are super nice. Plus you can get pretty much any chainring combo you can think of. Very spendy but if you have a special build I think they are worth it.
What chainring combo do you have for your White Industry cranks? Are you using the VBC chainrings? What kind of chain are you using and how is the shifting?
@@SurpriseMeJT I currently have it 1x11 with a 38-tooth chain ring and an 11-40 cassette. Definitely spin it out and I probably would have been better off with a double but hey, I'm in no hurry.
Im running a very budget ixf cranks 38/22 paired with a 11-36 cassette works well
I have run that same setup since 2018. I use it as a 1x+granny. Same 38/22x11-36 10 speed.
I don't like those cranks that hide a spider leg behind the crank. I think it looks cooler, but makes it hard to get the nut and slotted tool in there. If you like to experiment with different chainrings, it might be easier to use a crank with all 5 holes out in the breeze!
I think given the amount times a person will actually change the chainring it is a non issue.
The solution is easy - use SPA Cycles XD-2 specific chainring bolts. The hidden hole gets a knurled nut that sits in the outer chainring/bash guard through hole (tap it in with a rubber mallet/block of wood), and the allen drive bolt goes in backwards (from the inside of the crank). It is a non-issue to remove the ring as necessary. Tap out the nut with a small punch if you need to put it in another ring.
@@MSUTri its honestly a non issue as it is. WIth the wide range double configs I use I can easily access the bolt head.
@@PathLessPedaledTV I think with no ring on the outside spot it's quite a bit easier to access the hole. With a thick big ring or bashguard it can be quite difficult. The only way I could access it on my Sugino would have been to cut a spare L wrench short to slide in.
I like black cranks... :(
You can’t overstate how cool/important it is to have authority on the chain line -> how cool is that aspect of the square taper.
The last time I spoke about it I lamented the fact that they tended to die on me, but since then I had one that refuses to die even after a thousand km in the winter with rain and snow in abundance, and an external BB that sounds like it’s giving up the ghost after less than 300 km.
So I may give it another go if I decide to go 2x11/12/13 instead of 3x9.
May square taper BBs mever die
i changed my single speed from 170 to 175 and it seems easier on my knees, it could have been that I used a smaller chainring as well. I did have to grind down the drive side a tiny bit so it didn't rub the frame. Long live the square taper!
Also STA out of Germany sells chain rings that fit on a GRX perfectly. I swapped out the standard GRX rings for a 46/28 set up combined with a 11-46 11 speed (nothing but a Wolflink) and I have 16-115 gear inches. Its like having two 1x set ups and shifts great.
This is a nice option for those on a budget -- GRX can be found used and are great value for money.
Can you provide a link to purchase please?
Can you give a link or more info please? I couldn't find it googling "STA Germany". I have a 46/30 GRX upfront and a 11-42 10 speed in the back. So can I just swap the 30 chainring for the STA 28, you think?
Maybe STA stands for Spécialités T.A ? But I don't see the link with Germany. Anyway, can you explain how you've fitted an 11-42 cassette on GRX ? Are you on 2x10 ?
No mention of the nerd crank database?!? Anyway, SPA Cycles deserves special mention here for their house-brand versions of the Sugino XD-2 crank available down to 160 mm, and the TD-2 available down to 165 mm. I have also found (and bought) XD-2 cranks as short as 155 mm - there's a seller on that auction website that will ship them from Germany.
The New Albion and Rivendell cranksets are frustrating due to lack of short crank lengths, and I really want a bash guard, so the Dixna La crank unfortunately wasn't what I was looking for.
SPA Cycles also deserves special mention for super affordable and wide ranging chainrings in 7075 or lesser materials. I ordered rings and chainring bolts from them, those 155 mm XD-2 cranks, and a BBG bash guard for my Soma Wolverine build in progress.
I've been happy with the Sugino OX601d, picked it up used on ebay, seems hard to find these days.
I can really recommend Specialites TA Carmina Compact crank. Very stylish and well made. And square taper 110 BCD..........
Hi Russ. Is there any advantage for the 110/74 BCD cranksets vs the more common 110/64 BCD ones?
It’s a matter of preference. 110/64 seems more mtb oriented so you get wider Q factor if that matters. Also there is no one that does production short crank options to my knowledge.
Great video with some great points! I want to make the case for 'old' Shimano Hollowtech II 104mm/64mm BCD mountain cranks (CRUCIALLY with square-pattern, rotationally-symmetrical bolt holes; not the modern nonsense). Massive range of chainring sizes from 22 up to 48 and the chainline can unofficially be played with by 2.5mm side-to-side on both 68 and 73 shells by moving a spacer.
Yeah, I'm one of those who prefer Hollowtech II over square taper; I bought my first one (LX) in around 2005 and was genuinely amazed at the noticeable difference it made to 'flexy' steel mountain bike frames when cranking out of the saddle. And the days of rounding square tapers was over!
Whatever you go for, resist the new breed of asymmetric, incompatible standards that has utterly pointlessly cropped up...
I've removed the Sora 50/34 HTII from my bike and replaced it with Square taper BB and a FSA Tempo 30/46, and at the rear gone for an 11-40... On another site someone said my 30/40 (0.75 ratio) was "extreme" for a road bike..! There's so much nonsense out there, so much ego that gets in the way of making usable bikes the people want and deserve!! (Or they just live in flat places...)
I totally agree about black cranks.
I Just finished my Fitzcyclez Un gravel bike by removing black headset and cranks.
I’m okay with 30/46 and installed some IRD Vortex cranks in silver of course.
Great value considering rings and BB included. Decent Q factor as well. IRD’s headset is also a nice piece.
LLST.
Long Live Square Taper.
Still running a teledyne titanium square spindle with campy super cups. Butter smooth after 40 years!
agree square taper crank systems arn't necessarily heavier but they are flexy. I used to get chain rub on the front mech when I got out the saddle, I am 85kg though.
Thanks dude! Stumbled over this and got to the DIXNA LA crank. THIS seems just perfect, like in a dream. It has a small q-factor, fits EVERYTHINK from 24-48 and builds I found proofe it works with GRX 810 derailleurs! Oh and its not square-taper, what I want to avoid. Light weight too. AMAZING! Exactly what I planned! Sadly quite expensive to get over here in germany.
Sorry if the English is wrong because it is an automatic translation.
A little more expensive, but if you can afford a matching spider and chainring, there is a two-piece crank called the OnebyESU J-Crank.
This is an aluminum spindle with a diameter of 24mm.
Not a square taper fan, otherwise I’d love a silver 2x crankset. That last crankset 😍
Thanks to your channel, I got the Dixna La Crank this spring from Alex Cycle. Great thing. No regrets. I should get a thousand and sell them on locally. 😅
Really excellent presentation. Do you know if the Dixna La Crank would have enough clearance on the drive side to work with a Chris King T47 24x BB in a 68mm shell? I'm hoping to use a 26 tooth TA inner ring (which has a minimum internal diameter of about 60mm).
Stronglight. French. Square taper. Cranks down to 165 mm. I have recently bought a tripe 46 34 24.
Square taper with an SKF BAS-600 bottom bracket is the bomb
I'm with you on sensible gearing. I just rebuilt an old Trek with an Ultegra triple and 175 cranks. I dropped it to a double using the 2 inner rings 42/30 and I just love it. With a 11-32 cassette. I can use most gears with t 8:37 42 and the inner chainring for the tough stuff. The Claris front mech works fine set higher than recommend so it barely misses hitting the rear shift cable. I could not locate any of the really short arm front mechs you have recommended.
And I agree that silver cranks are best looking and so are polished hubs. I'm quite old school .
Thanks for helping me think through (hack) the options to make it all work.
(Update), the 175mm cranks are way to long for me as my right knee is ailing. I guess that's why i put them away years ago. I'd been riding 165 mm Sugino cranks. I may order the Rivendell cranks as they dont hide a chainring bolt behind a crankarm as Sugino does. Crank length really does matter.
I like big cranks! I am a grinder not a spinner!
Currently I have a Tiagra front crank, 52/36, I 'd love to go higher (60?) Is that possible with one of these cranks, you are only stating that they can go smaller, also will one of these cranks swap into a 10 speed tiagra groupset, rear deraillieur, chain, shifter?
I am annoyed with the Tiagra/Shimano, the big shain ring it welded/fused onto the crank, when the chain ring is knackered the whole crank has to be replaced (the small chain ring is replaceable.)
I departed the video at 0:15, thanks for the warning 😊
Do you think I can use the first crank (Soma New Albion) in replacement for 8-speed shimano claris compact crankset? I mean will a 10 speed crank match my 8 speed gear?
If not, can you please give me some advices on how to get low gears with shimano claris drivetrain (a lot of low-budget gravels come with it and I can't find any option with a chainring smaller than 30T)
I hate standard gearing. Who needs a 40/53t crankest? Not me! I would like to convert to a 110 BCD, this gives me some direction
I tried the Clipper Crank on my first build but found that it had too much flex for my liking so have switched to the VO Grand Cru
I have a shimano deore crankset with 28/38 with an 11-40 in the rear. I love the gearing but hate the top end ranges which really max out at 38t for mtb double (with some 40t options). Keep cranking out the content russ!
Hey Russ. Love your channel! I am more left field as a recumbent rider. As such, I need and appreciate shorter cranks, and wider gearing options.
I recently obtained a Goldix 'child' crankset, that has short options, external bearing, and GXP chainring fitment. My personal crank length choice is 140mm.
I immediately recognised that GXP gives me a choice of gearing options depending on how I want to set it up.
I currently have 46/30 on my bike, but I could go 50/34, or a 48/32. I did also buy a 110 spider, so I could use my elliptical rings.
I notice that there are also MTB GXP rings that give some lower gearing options.
These things are fairly low priced, so could suit someone on a tight budget, or just wanted to experiment with different crank lengths.
I don't think I have seen you reference GXP direct mount chainrings before? Yeah, not as customisable as a 110/74 setup. I would like to see a GXP direct mount 110/74 spider! That would be awesome!
Oh, the Goldix cranks are available on AliExpress
I’ve stuck with the GXP format for many years myself. The BB’s don’t last very long, but they spin more freely than the new DUB BB’s. And I like the fact that you can swap different spiders (or have a wide range of 1x chainrings) on the same crankset. I’m fine with black 175’s, so that’s maybe just one more reason why they work for me.
Thank you for continuing to showcase all of these options! After years off the bike due to lumbar disc injury and SI issues every single time I'd try again, I finally invested in a bike fit. I told him I thought I needed shorter cranks due to hip impingement, and instead of going from 170 to 165 ( my former track bike length) he brought it all the way down to 155 mm, and I've finally been able to ride again in the last few years. However it's HUGE investment to outfit my bikes with proper cranks. I have Rotor x 2, Jcob, Canfield in 155s and a set of Suntour Zerons on a hardtail in 160s. Current dilemma is trying to get a 50/34 11/34 gravel bike to give me some easier gears to compensate for shorter crank length while still trying to keep a power meter on board (for my motivation and interest, not racing) The Appleman cranks look beautiful but I won't lose my Speedplays for power pedals or any other reason :)
I have had a similar issue about getting lower gearing onto my gravel bike. I put on an cassette with 42T cog and a RD hanger extender (Wolf Tooth). Much less expensive than new, longer cage RD. Also got a GRX crankset from a friend who took it off his bike and that lowered the gearing to 47/26 chainrings I think. :)
Ultegra rx will give you a 40T in the rear easily with not dongles needed
YOU are reading my mind! I have been trying to find new cranks with the 38/24 chain ring combination. I so wish the Dixna cranks worked on my Fargo. I cannot seem to find anything in the 165mm crank arm length (other than White Industries). Thanks for the video. The struggle is real. Short cranks arms... Low gearing. Unicorns?
Please use your PLP clout at Dixna...get them to make a set of cranks for those of us with 73mm BB!
I got a relatively inexpensive 170mm crank of the OE version for my more recent Fargo (2021). Still haven't made the swap but looking forward to it given it's on the original 175mm. Since big tires are what I run, I don't think I want to go smaller than 170 on it. Any other bike, I'll be eyeballing 165 though. Would love to find a very inexpensive option to change the road bike living on the trainer that I never bring outside anymore.
@@briand8862 I've emailed Sugino and the Dixna people that Russ talks about. Nice folks but no option for me. The best option is the Rivendell cranks if I wanna keep the 38/24 rings but they don't have 165. The other option is White Industries. They have a myriad of options but it's gonna cost major $. Thanks
Ah, I see. I'm still on the 1x for it. Definitely going to be more difficult for 2x. Easiest might be a cheap triple mtb crank.
Is there a way to know if a groupset can be used with a 46/30 crankset?
The first two look like any other 5 bolt 3 piece. Spend 25 dollars on an old mtb.
I love that you're also advocating for the merits of "old tech". People definitely *are* irrationally biased against old tech, but when considering 1) the application 2) performance history 3) availability of parts 4) total cost, I found that "old tech" is quite often the best overall solution for many cyclists. The cycling industry is heavily driven by innovation, which most often means incremental improvements in a specific area, but at a significant cost (to recuperate from R&D). If money is no object and/or you just want the latest thing, then no harm in upgrading bike systems to new tech. But I find *most* cyclists, in their intended application, rarely need nor benefit from the incremental improvements that new tech offers. There is most definitely a time and place for older, often more reliable, tech.
p.s. I splurged and run a Shimano GRX on my gravel bike. But I also am 100% happy with my 11 spd DuraAce/Ultregra (not electronic) on my road bike, and an 8*3 mixed bag of LX/Deore on my commuter. I have no intention of upgrading to a 12spd on the road (may consider electronic shifting though), and zero intention to upgrade my commuter group. I welcome new tech and use it when it's justified, but I also very much appreciate the reliability, availability, and cost of older tech. The key question is: what do I intend to do with this bike?
Russ, you’re definitely not alone! ⚙️ Curious what derailleurs & shifters you’re using with these?
Old 8spd 2x derailleurs and friction shifters.
I'm also interested in the front mech with those smaller chainrings. Is it the Rivendell ?
@@jeffandersen6233 no. Just a cheap old 10spd road derailleur.
I'm actually looking to build a bike up with a first generation Shimano Dura Ace 8 speed STI group, except for the cranks/BB which are already in use on my Midnight Special build. Due to the smaller max cassette that the old Dura Ace rear derailleur cranks have VERY much been a serious topic of research for me. This video is very timely as a result. So...thanks!! :)
I'm running a D/A 7400 short cage rear derailleur on an 8 speed 13/32 cassette with a $5 derailleur hanger extender off ebay. With a good chainline setup and a 34/46 set of front rings it works a treat. With the hanger extender (and good chainline- look at Sheldon Brown's (thank you! RIP) advice on this) the large 32 cog is fine, but the derailleur hanger won't improve the total derailleur (total chainwrap) capacity which is 26t. It's over Shimano's stated chainwrap capacity, but it's fine as long as I don't crosschain big ring/big cog, or small/small combinations which I never do anyway. Just be sure that your chain is long enough- add an extra link or two to the normal way of measuring chain length using the small/small combination to prevent a broken derailleur if you do accidently try to shift to the big/big crosschain. Search derailleur hanger extender on ebay for the fix, they even come in colors!
Never any regard for the ubiquitous, cheap, multi bb, four bolt?
I don’t know of any four bolt cranks offered in short lengths.
They come in 170mm lengths.
@@PathLessPedaledTVSuntour XCT Jr. Square taper Crankset, comes in 152 mm arms 44/32/22T chainrings. I replaced a much more expensive Crankset with that ~$50 crankset and am very happy with it. Only downside is that it's black.
It's fairly easy to find affordable used square taper 110/74 cranks as they were standard issue on lots of older MTBs. I got a Ritchey Logic 110/74 square taper crank on ebay with 46/36/24 rings. I replaced the 46 and 36 with an IRD lobo 42t (has the countersink on the inside, so ideal for running in the middle ring position). The 42/24 combo shifts well, and gives me great range with an 11-32 cassette. Sugino makes an epic 110/74 crank for 24mm external bbs: the OX2-901D. It comes in silver and black, lengths from 160-175, and a variety of chainring combos.
It is but they don’t come in short lengths. I’ve tried and made a video about that. I had the Suginos and they are nice but way more expensive and difficult to find.
been riding Sug[no for years and before that Stronglight
Anyone using triples? What gears are you running?
Thanks for the video, I'm currently modifying a shimano deore tripple to a wide range double (46 / 24) and the bike mechanic thinks I'm crazy! I read the Sheldon Brown post about it and watched some of your videos and Ultraromance's and it looks like possible... So I'm crazy or I can actually pull it out? I have a 11 to 36 in the back and I'll try with a shimano deore mountain front derailleur in the front and back... Thanks and salutations from Slovenia!
It’s not crazy. I do it all the time. Just use a friction shifter for the front derailleur.
Agreed, not crazy, but what's the reason for a double with a 22t difference between large and small rings but no middle size on a triple crank? Sure, it "works" but if the crank is already a triple, why not take advantage and add a middle ring (maybe a 34 or 36t) so that you could stay in the middle of your cassette most of the time? Seems like you would be cross chained much of the time on moderate terrain with those chain ring extremes unless most of your riding is on super steep hills. Do you drop your chain a lot while shifting the front?
@@zoufyj185 If I wanted a tripple I would not try and go down that road. And it was fun to try! It works, no crosschaining unless I use the big plate on the smallest cog or viceversa. The key was to put a slightly longer bottom bracket. Never droped the chained yet, I'm a bit surprised, but it works flawlessly :)
Can you remove the bash guard from the new clipper cranks?
You can. You’d have to get spacers or shorter bolts to take up the empty space.
Advise, please... Can I replace just the two chainrings on my GRX600 46/30 crankset for any 42/26 (maybe wolftooth)? Any other options? Don't get if it's necessary to get the whole new crankset, crank arms and all... My current GRX is 110/80 BCD, fyi.
GRX cranks lean towards roadie gearing and there aren't many sub sub compact ring options.
Why not just use old Shimano XT M730 cranks? Top quality cold forged. 110/74mm. Square taper so chainline is adjustable with BB length - and spacers to fine tune if necessary. 170 and 175 lengths are easy to get. What's not to like?
Because I’m using 165 cranks and you can’t get them readily available.
My budget plan for sub-sub-compact crankset for gravel/touring build for my friend: basic Prowheel zephyr cranks + 28t/44t mtb chainrings with 64/104 bcd, bb length 103mm instead of 113mm for getting"road" chainline 44mm and q-factor 165mm instead of 175mm. It is much more affordable by price and opportunity to buy.
I like the idea of a 2x setup but in my use case (city riding) i have no need for anything other than a 42t up front with my current cassette being 11-34t 9 speed in the back. not a whole lot of range i know but honestly i rarely drop down below 3rd.
i have thought about getting a larger rear cassette but my derailer is maxed out unless i get one of those goat links or race links. doesn't seem worth it unless i plan to go touring. this setup is on my jamis aurora stee touring bike by the way.
The new Acera derailleur costs $30 and has 40t capacity.
@@PathLessPedaledTV thanks I'm kinda attached to my older deore but that's good to know I wasn't expecting it to be that cheap!
Can this cranks be use on a mountain bike frame?
The most amazing road cranksets are all square tapered-The polished Mavic,the Edco competition and the 7410 Shimano Dura Ace-all with 130 BCD 🤙
I loved all those, and the Campy C-Record IIRC, and the Superbe Pro. The Mavic was so beautiful, but the crank arm tended to crack unless I used a round file to gently remove the sharp edge.
There is also a Japanese track crank Sugino SG75 or Grand Mighty.
Will a GRX front derailleur work with a Dixna la crank?
Definite maybe.
The weight weenies never cease to amaze me. Reliability and function get you there
@@spitchgrizwald6198 No. It doesnt have to mean less reliable. The entire bike industry has sucked you into their money pit
@@spitchgrizwald6198 Sure I do. You enjoy being contrarian, anonymously. A troll
Well....I know we don't like road bikes here, but my carbon road bike with SRAM Red has an S952 carbon crank (BB386, so 30mm BB with external BSA cups) with a one piece 30-48 chainring combo, 3 bolt GXP mount, cos we have horrendous hills here and I couldn't go bigger than 11-28 on the back without changing derailleur. There are options. My steel alt-bar chunky tyre tourer has a regular 24mm cheap MTB crank with 30-42 and an 11-42 on the back, the 42t "outer" ring (104mm BCD) is where the middle one would be but spaced inboard with aluminium spacers and the inner ring is in the granny position (64mm BCD) but spaced commensurately inboard, so the chainline is just *mwah*. Apocalypse Bob, my townbike-converted fixie (dropouts spaced to about 126mm to fit a 6 speed 14-34 freewheel) has the same crank but 26-42 (and custom wheels I built so I could use a nice rear hub and a dynohub ;-) ). There are many options if you don't mind finagling. I weigh the best part of 90kg so the bigger BB axle is a godsend.
Biopace for the win!
No adustment of chainline on Hollowtech? Spacers are available to get MTB (73mm) spindle to fit a road (68mm) frame. I have used them + they work well so I now run a' 2 step + a granny' on my Croix de Fer. Beats me why so many new bikes have such steep gears!
Rotor Spain offers cranks down to 150mm for Aldhu and Aldhu carbon. Way cheaper than Appleman and Ignite for a light-weight and modern crankset.
The stronglight impact triple is (at least in Europe) a good alternative for around €90. It comes in different setups, the smallest being 46/34/24 and can easily be converted to double by replacing the largest chainring with a chainguard and removing the middle ring. Or Spa-cycles in the uk sells a very similar model, with supercompact chainrings (smallest one is 40/24).
How can you put a square taper crankset in a BB86 press-fit bottom bracket? Do you have to change the BB as well? Is the shell even compatible with square taper cranks? I always find it difficult to navigate through BB/crankset standards and compatibility.
My wife's 145 length La Dixna will be put on soon and I’m stoked to see what difference it makes. Trying to dial everything in as much as possible before touring this winter. Thanks for the content!
Oh she'll definitely feel the difference. I've used 152mm & now 140mm. They're easy on the knees for me at least.
what about the front mech?! what kind of front mech can menage a 40/24 crankset?
Been using a standard road double.
Subscribed just because you correctly pronounce SRAM.
I have no external bearing bottom brackets on any of my bikes. I can’t feel any flex over the last 50 years, even 50 years ago when I was young and stronger. Want micro precision control over your chain line? Go with Phil Wood BBs.
I’m building a touring / gravel bike and I’d like to go square taper. The challenge, which I could probably figure out in a few hours is how to get a 50mm chainline to match my derailleur specs.
Can the last option be combined with Gates? I'm really struggling to find affordable short cranks to combine with Gates and a Shimano hub. Any tip is appreciated.
Hi Russ, thanks a lot for this great video (and the previous video on the same subject). I read all the comments and you might have answered it indirectly before so I apologize if this is a repetition. I was wondering if you used the Dixna La Crank with a Sram 11s cassette. I wrote to Alex Cycles on this topic and to see if AXS would be supported but they didn't comment more than what is already written (max 10s for Sram). Thanks again!
I regularly use 9spd rings with 11spd cassettes and chains in friction with no problems.
Thanks for info.
I am using super expensive sugino impel bcd94/58, home made chainrings 38-19.
I am follower of peter verdone, so rear 3cogs 15-21-28 it is!
Also check out Spa cycle’s cracks in the uk. Absolute bargain based on Sugino 110/74 BCD cranks
I don't understand the downplay of scuare taper bb's You can spot track bikes with sugino 75 and Shimano duravace octalicks
At my cooperative we have tons of old you-name-it. People in my area don’t really need to buy new cranks, unless they must have virgin and perfectly shiny. But my cranks will be waaaay less than new ones.
Nice, but a bit expensive.
Why would you ever get black . Couldn’t have put it better myself 😂.
Sugino is all you need.
Are the Dixna La crank sets 1x compatible?
Yes.
I'm sold on your alternate cranks options. But I'm really lost on how it would work with a pressfit BB or a BSA 68mm BB. Could you make a video to make sense of it all? Kinda like "You got this kind of BB? these companies got you covered:".. etc...
It's look like Japanese Pass Hunting crankset. Its come with uncommon chainring combination.
Interesting. I use an old Suntour MTB crankset presumably also made by Sugino with 94 BCD TAs or Stronglights in 44/32. To me it is the best combination or speed graveling with a Campy 13/29 or 12/32 cassette in the back. I'll maybe never go 1x. I don't like 46-52 sprockets in the back, find it ridiculous and too expensive for extensive use, I ride something around 7k a year.
I’m experimenting with 150 mm cranks and find a 20 or 22 tooth small ring useful. Luckily TA Zephyrs have 56 bcd so will take a 20.
Is the Q Factor in the Dixna as low as advertised? That seems too low. could it be too close to chainatays on some gravel bikes?
I just ordered the clipper cranks today . Going to convert my 1x11 to 2x11. Cant wait. 42/26 x11-42 will finally give me all my needs
I have a Prowheel Ounce crankset on my “gravel” bike. It has those 5 bolts too. I tried to find a smaller chainring for the smaller one but it is hard for me. Bigger one is 42 and I want to get a smallest one I can get, since the bike is only 2x7 geared. Do you guys know what I can buy?
If I were to dream up a bike for everyone it would simply have cranks with multiple holes, so you can ride whatever length. .Are a thing. Are expensive, don't need to be.
Love the video (as always), keep the hits coming! I wonder if you have any projects for the cave of bad ideas for this winter? When I watched your chat with Grant Peterson from Rivendell, I think I heard him mention that he rides a triple up front with a single in the rear! Would love to see how that gets set up!