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@@reefreef1866 Anything that shows up at 2% or less may or may not be correct. If you have more than 2% of something it is highly likely legitimate, less than 2% it is speculative. Unfortunately it isn’t a perfect science yet.
Lmao free speech as long as black people don’t say anything historically accurate and hurtful to a group that literally enslaved us but your censoring black people who are speaking up. I love how you can’t deny any of the claims you just delete them like your ancestors deleted our history. But it’s ok the cats already out the bag brother.
Amen. No one wants to tell the truth abt any of it. This is why when they found an ancient skull the Smithsonian took it because it was not an Indian skull. They were not the first inhabitants. Europeans during that era (that came here) were rapist, disease carrying murderers). These so called marriages were not a kind little trade. Many of the Indian woman were raped and kidnapped. Maybe a tiny percentage were traded. The descendants of these Europeans are the ones that want to say that there darned minds and pawpaw were Indians. If they only knew.
An infamous RUclipsr used to brag all of the time that her husband's great grandfather was Cherokee. Turn out that her husband's great grandfather was raised in Cherokee County. He was born in Scandinavia and of 100% Scandinavian descent. It is interesting how the story morphed over the generations.
My family had this same type of myth; we were supposed to be Cherokee and German. Turns out we're descended from Irish horse thieves and Boston thugs. Maybe 10 yrs ago my brother got on a kick and went to Salt Lake City and then London, and then Dublin. He got all the documentation and reading it was a real hoot.
Dang Kendo, hell of a story, that took a U turn quickly. My Sister in law swore she was 100% Irish, got married 17th March, her Birthday is the 15th of March, on and on. When 23 and me became "the thing" she did. Her results are 88% British, and a hodge lodge of smaller percentages, never in that detail as yours. Still my Sister in Law,Wife to my Brother, Mother to my nephews and nieces, Aunt to my kids. our current migration patterns? We call it Vacations now, we are set in Texas for goooooooooooooooood.
@@jesuscorrea5513 23&Me has the category British & Irish. They aren't separated. 88% British & Irish is a high amount so she most likely has a lot of Irish ancestry.
For many years we had a family story that we were "part Indian." Some ancient ancestor had married .... (DRUM ROLL) ... an Indian Princess... My elder sister was so enthralled by this myth that she went off to college to study American Indians because she wanted to "learn about our people." A year or so after she went off to college my mother's father came to live with us (he had spent the last 10 years or so living in England). He was the family genealogist. My sister comes home from college for Chritmas. Grandpa is sitting in a comfy chair when she comes into the house. He says, "Well, J****e, I understand you are going to college out in New Mexico." She says, "Yes, Grandpa, I am studying American Indians and they have the best school." Grandpa says, "How interesting. Why are you studying American Indians?" She says, "Oh, YOU KNOW." He says, "I don't know... please explain it to me." She says, "I want to learn about our people." He says, "What people are those?" She says, "The Indian Princess... Mom has always said we're part Indian." He starts to laugh, "Oh, THAT old canard... No Dear, we are NOT part Indian. We DO have some very distant cousin who was a trapper in the 1700's and he shacked up with an Indian woman (not a Princess). But there is no evidence of any children from that arrangement... and if there were we are NOT in that line." (This would have been in the New England area.) My sister is dumbfounded... she'd just spent 3 semesters studying American Indians. My grandfather says, "You know, you could change your major to Criminal Justice." She says, "Why would I do that?" Grandpa guffaws loudly and says, "So you can learn about our people." Sister does a burnout -- steam coming out of every facial hole... and screams at him, "That's NOT funny." BUT all of us listening thought it was.
I'm just a United States Citizen, I'm a 9th generation Brit (Celtic Anglo-Saxon Norman) no Native American I take great pride in who I am Scots Irish English Welsh German and Dutch.
My family spread this rumor about being part Cherokee also. It wasn't until I put my son up for adoption that I found out the truth. It's relevant because certain laws protect Natives from adoption by non-Natives. I brought up this rumor and it really complicated the whole adoption process. It turned out that my half sister is part Nanticoke but since we have different fathers I'm 0% Native. The truth finally came out.
It's hard to give up a child but better than aborting it. They have a chance of having a good life. They may never understand that but good for you. I speak from experience.
I am adopted and was thrilled to be able to track and record my adoptive family history on ancestry, as I am the last one with all of the stories, and they were the family I'd known and loved. Both can be tracked on your tree.
All of my life, seven decades, my mom's side of the family told us kids the story that we had "Mohawk Blood" in our veins. It was a fun story as kids, but we honestly did not deep down believe it knowing we were of northern European known heritage. A few years ago I built a family tree extending to the 1500's to 1600's in early upstate New York, relying on a thorough investigation of identifiable and verifiable documentation. To my surprise and amazement I traced and confirmed that in fact our family tree on my mom's side is in fact direct descendants of one Mohawk woman and a Dutch fur trader from Holland documented to the early 1600's, their children lived between the Mohawk and Dutch settlements. I guess that family myth was more than a myth. But we have no Cherokee in our tree, LOL.
Same here. I was born and raised in the Appalachian Mountains of Virginia. All my life I was told about our Cherokee grandmother. That “Cherokee “ grandmother’s” bloodline goes straight to England 😁.
Them dna test are worthless you say that you are trying to speak the truth of ancestry but yet you are pushing these dna test who states on the box that these test can not and I mean can not tell anyone where they are from! You speak some truth but it is also mixed with some BS! Also there are tribes that were completely wiped out that again nobody wants to allow these people dna 🧬 to be collected so for once and for all to be to put to rest and the only time that one is accepted as native is if they are mixed with ✋ colored people but is they were mixed with so-called black people then they are not accepted this is the evil of those people I have zero respect for any they are all just as racist as any other racial group against black peoples so to hell with all of them! REPARATIONS HAS TO PAID TO NATIVE BORN BLACK AMERICANS BY ANY MEANS!
I really appreciate you breaking this down. After hearing it from people a thousand times before, I heard someone say it again today and decided to do a little research as to why so many people say/believe this. This definitely proved my suspicions correct.
I joined the Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma. They only accept Cherokees into their nation. My sister researched our ancestors at an Indian Law Library in New Mexico and found that we had 17 ancestors who walked the Trail of Tears.
I was enrolled in 1997. The Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma (CNO) only accepts applicants who can prove, through reliable genealogic research and previous Government records, that one is descended from one or more ancestors who were enrolled on the 'Dawes List' (Final Rolls of the Five Civilized Tribes) that was compiled in 1907 by Henry Dawes as 'Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes'. My paternal Grandmother was enrolled in 1900, having been born in 'Indian Territory', 1899. Her ancestors show up on several previous Government rolls including her grandmother on the Chapman Rolls of 1851 at Lumpkin County, Georgia. Additional research shows direct lineage to Moytoy, George Parris... . Enrollment procedures of the Eastern Band (ECBI) and United Keetoowah (UKB) are different.
Same also have eastern Cherokee in my blood even have a certificate of one of my ancestors that was sold to a white man as a very young woman…(if you could call her that at the age she was) that he ended up “marrying”
Its funny, I've been reading about this subject for a few months, over this time I've ran into 3 diff people on FB who claimed their grandfather or some other close relative was full blooded Cherokee, I simply ask them if they're on the Rolls, not one has said yes! I grew up in Oklahoma, so I'm very familial with Native Americans
@@OzZy-13820 Prior to Andrew Jackson's 'removal policy', the TsaLaGi (Cherokee) were one. The east - west 'split' occurred in 1835 when prominent leaders Major Ridge and John Ridge accepted and signed a treaty at the home of Elias Boudinot which agreed, on behalf of all Cherokees, to relocate to what would become Oklahoma. The majority of Cherokees, led by John Ross, strongly disagreed with the decision which made life rough for those who stayed in the homelands which led directly to forced removal. Resentment by the 'Ross Faction' of the 'Ridge Faction' was so strong that on June 22, 1839, Blood Law was carried out by some survivors of the 'Trail of Tears' who killed the Ridges and Boudinot. Bitterness over the divide lasted for generations yet is now largely forgotten in the spirit of _GaDuGi._
I was told the same thing growing up, in that I had Native American and Scottish. Did a DNA test and I am like 80% German and 20% English/ Irish. Honestly I think that particular story cam from my great grandma on my mom’s dad’s side, she was born in the year 1900, and grew up in an orphanage. The last name she was given there was Smith, so I think she created a heritage.
My late mom made it a point to tell me and my brothers that she was part Cherokee. I and my brother took DNA tests at the same time, and my mom's sister as well. No sign of Native American DNA in any of them. I think it's just a romantic notion that some are more susceptible to strongly wanting to be true.
Or they just don't have the algorithms to test for it. The DNA kits are foolproof and you can send in DNA to all the different companies and get different results from each. As far as I'm concerned until they get it down pat, it's a scam.
If you used like 23and me or any other over -the -counter DNA test, it will not show any Native American. You would need to go the the Cherokee Tribal Council to request to have a DNA test.
Jessica Biel told everyone she had Native blood in her family. And she did a DNA test on a TV show, can't remember which one, and cane out 0% native American. Haha
We started to have our doubts after being told all our lives we had a full blood Cherokee “great great grandmother”, without any proof. We are several generations back Oklahomans. My dad finally did the DNA test and found out “Young Tassel”, a Cherokee war chief, is his 5th great grandfather. Not exactly the story we were told, but the tribe was right. Even better, he was fairly well known so we were able to read up on his very interesting life. Very cool.
Thank you for explaining something in minutes that I spent several years trying to prove or disprove. My mother always claimed her mother was the granddaughter of a Cherokee chief. I went through the Indian Rolls and found nothing of the sort. Found a Mormon missionary who spent time among the Cherokee and was made an honorary member of the tribe.
@@goodmeasure777 the information held by the Mormons is that from common people doing research, so even it is not necessarily correct. I have found my ancestors mixed up with other families and I know it is incorrect. I thought the LDS records were fact checked and the gold standard, but sadly, they aren't.
@@heatherfitzgibbon It depends on what you mean by "the information". If you mean the family trees, yes, those are crowd-sourced and contain errors (which you can fix!). But they are by far the best source for finding primary sources, which every genealogist should do. Verify verify verify!
Just the description is so funny to me, because that's my family almost exactly lol. My mom and aunt both swear their great grandma, my great great grandma was Cherokee. However, in doing just a little research myself on a popular genealogy site, I discovered that no one was. When I told my mom, she got mad and told me it was wrong lol. Love the channel!
Yes sir, it is SO common. In this video I explain is very easy to understand detail why it isn’t true and the different reasons the myth comes from. I’ve wanted to make this video for years but didn’t want to rock the boat, but now is the time.
@@dianethulin1700 I have problems as well identifying the people that are Native American in my tree. Because 'back in the day' it wasn't anything people wanted to talk about, and for some ungodly reason they were ashamed of their native ancestry. It's funny how much some things have changed (the pride of native ancestry, be it real or imagined) and how the government still is working to suppress the native people.... boggles the mind if you think of it all.
@@skyyyrose We married Native Americans from the beginning of landing here. The ones who survived have always mixed. I have seen some of them referred to as half breeds in books. We have some sachems here and there. I’m surprised that more people don’t know about the Iroquoi Confederacy
I have no 1st Nation blood in me, but I married into a Lakota family. They accepted me as one of their own and I loved them. They have all passed on now, but I still feel kindred to my husband's tribe!💔
thx for your video,im full blood native and one of my 1st cousins is Cherokee from Cherokee NC,it’s not easy being Indin highest suicide rate and type 2 diabetes on the planet,native men have 2nd lowest life expectancy in the Americas behind Haiti,510x more likely to die from an alcohol related death,meth and fentanyl deaths 4x the national average,unemployment,racism poverty disease etc etc.. but I would not want to be any one else for any amount of money that’s how much pride in my native bloodline.
This was an excellent video. We were always told that we were of Scot-Irish and Cherokee descent. I did a brief search years back and Idid discover my Grandmother and her siblings listed on the Dawes Indian rolls.They lived in the Oklahoma Indian territory prior to OK statehood, and before that in Appalachia. One of the family stories is that our grandfather lived on the reservation in OK, but I never knew how to verify this.Regardless of whether I ever had a Cherokee ancestor or not, I have tremendous respect for their history and what they suffered on the Trail of tears.
Your Grandmother's presence on 'Dawes' makes you eligible for enrollment in the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma, and it is a rather straightforward process. Gather current, state certified, birth and death records of your Grandmother, relevant parent, and self, then contact the CNO Tribal Registrar to enroll.
I’m 57 years old and I heard all my life from my dad and mom’s family that we had Cherokee descendants. Even had my Oklahoma distant relatives tell me I looked Indian because of my high cheekbones which I do have, but I’m white as a ghost. I wanted to find out so I did a DNA test. The biggest surprise I got was that out of all my English blood I had a little bit of Norwegian. Not one ounce of Cherokee. I laughed my head off! Especially when I found out one of my grandma’s lived in Cherokee Texas. My husband and children tease me all the time if a subject about American Indians come up.
DNA cannot delineate a specific tribal relationship. Only Indigenous North American, or South American. Tribal affiliation is not possible with a basic DNA test.
My father always said that he was very well aware that Dukes don't frequently emigrate, but he was always proud of our Cherokee ancestor. Unfortunately, she failed to show up in DNA samples. As a result, he had two more family members tested. It was very difficult for him to give up his Indian...
My family constantly said..it's all because of the Cherokee on my dad's side. I got the DNA testing when it became available and oh, nope. None. My mom's side of the family were in utter disbelief. It was a shock, but DNA..isn't showing it. My aunt insisted that the DNA tests were wrong. Too crazy.
A small correction, the Cherokees were not known as "the civilized tribe" but in fact are one of the "five civilized tribes." There is a "five civilized tribes" museum in Muskogee, OK if you are interested.
@@CallSignWhiplash There are three federally recognized Cherokee entities; CNO (Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma), EBCI (Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians), UKB (United Keetoowah Band). The 'Five Civilized Tribes' were Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Seminole, and Creek, all of which are Federally recognized.
The five tribes museum in Muskogee is relative to the Five civilized tribes, which were Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Seminole, and Creek. I think this was mostly due to the closer relationships these tribes had with Euro settlers, and that they were not nomadic in nature, but had villages, trade relations, and tribal governments.
@@garlandreese950 There is so much more to it. Please do continue your research as the history of the Tsalagi ('Cherokee') is deep and very closely intertwined with that of the early United States.
My great grandfather was the last chief of the Tsimshian tribe before a catholic priest immigrated us from British Columbia. But mine is documented and he's in a book with photos. I can honestly claim Indian princess status. 😄 They laugh at the idea of Indian 'royalty' but royal blood is royal blood. Plus, there are a lot of descendants. SOMEONE has to be real. 😄
@@the_original_public_newsense a lot of false claims lol everyone wants to be cherokee until it's time to be a cherokee and don't realize cherokee is originally part of the creek nation's and also cherokee meant people of different speech meaning they had two different languages...this is the most americanized tribe in all of America 97% percent of you claim it lol and know damn well your people the ones came in by boat
@@shaudmarley4029 I have the documents. I'm 45% Irish, 42% North American Indian. I just say I'm half and half cuz the rest is like 1% this and 2% that. I know my people well and they're more NA than the gov't says cuz our ancestors were forced to claim less quantum than is true. So they did. Bureau of Indian Affairs will never allow it to be corrected. My people didn't come in by boat. They came down from British Columbia. We are Tsimshian.
My grandma was 1/2 or 1/4 Native. I can't remember I never knew her she abandoned my dad and died long before I was ever born. But when my dads family tracked him down and got a hold of him I remember going to meet them on the Flathead reservation where she was born. It was definitely interesting learning that I had distant Native American ancestors and that my grandma had even been born on an Indian reservation. And sometimes it still is bizarre to me knowing that either my Great or great great grandmother would have been a full blooded native. Not that there's much of it left in me, nor do I consider myself a Native over being a white person as the vast majority of my genetic makeup is northwestern European; but it was still something that was fascinating for me to learn and a part of my heritage that I think is neat to be rooted to.
Cherokee is the most mentioned Tribe that people claim ancestry too. I think the reason is they cannot think of another Tribe unless it's the Apache. You never hear people claiming ancestry to the Mandan, or the Ponca, or Huron. Everybody has a great grandmother who was Cherokee. When I hear it, I just think it's funny. By the way, no Native Blood, I'm Scottish.
Native is foreign to this land. they are not indigenous to this land. They were immigrated here to replace the true people of this land. the so called black folks who were already here thriving before being invaded by the people in control now. You are all immigrants/foreigners squatters.
I’m part Cherokee (from Panther clan) along with being part Creek. One point of interest that you failed to mention was that for the most part, only certain Cherokee clans adopted people into their clans. I believe it’s the Hair clan that adopted the most “strangers.” As a matrilineal tribe, most women held property. Not the men. And when they were encouraged to marry White settlers, many did- but not simply because they wanted a white husband to go out and hunt or to get white mens tools. It was because the Native women gained more rights with white men to fight for them against the English/American gov’t. They also got slightly better treatment, and later into the 1800’s they married because they foresaw the ill treatment they were going to go through.. and didn’t have to walk the Trail of Tears. The white men that married Cherokee woman gained quite a lot. Property, knowledge of the land and animals, herbal medicines, and a companion that had the protection of the clan/tribe. As for there not being “Indian princesses,” yes, correct. But there were high ranking women as they were closely related to the Chiefs. There were also women chiefs included in the war cabinets. We’ve just Anglicized it because we don’t have a word for such a high ranking woman. So princess it became.
My great aunt traveled all over America tracing our heritage. She said that my great grandmother was a full Cherokee. I lost touch with my aunt and never looked into it. We came from Oklahoma, so I thought it's possible. A couple of years ago I took a DNA test and found that I have 200,% British Isles ancestry. So much for being part Cherokee, but at least we never claimed our ancestor was a princess.
My mom's family had this same story and growing up with it I beleived it so I wanted proof and went digging did DNA tests and lots of research found my actual ancestors and learned it was all a story. Apologized to people for repeating that story when I was younger having not known it was a lie and my aunts and uncles flipped the heck out on me for finding the truth accused me of "betraying " the family. 🤔🤦🏻♀️
Lol, my mom said the same, and pointed to a picture of a very white grandma saying she was full blood. Even as a child I knew she had nothing within her that was mildly native. 😂 My mom was a known pathological liar and even lied about her name and birthdate lol😂. My aunt even had her entire house decorated in a native American theme. She believed it too, seems their grandma lied to them all! Glad I never had to meet most of them until my 20s. Seems I relate to indigenous beliefs, if you're able to sift through the numerous lies that are spread as fact. I've always wondered if natives and mexicans are of the same ethnicity but variations in cultures due to the variations of their environment.
@dawncawthra3519 "Mexicans"? Armies from Spain killed the Native American tribes and started the nation of Mexico. Some Native American women had babies with Spanish soldiers, so some Mexicans are mixed race. Most Mexicans are Spanish, descended from Spanish ladies and their Spanish husbands who were immigrants from Spain, which is in Europe.
@@dawncawthra3519The indigenous people of the US and Mexico are Native American, some of their tribes even cross the border. Many Mexicans are mixed with Spanish, that’s why they speak Spanish. In 1519 The Spanish conquistador led an expedition to present-day Mexico. Although the Spanish forces numbered some 500 men, they managed to capture Aztec Emperor Montezuma II.
My maternal Grandmother used to speak of a great grandmother that was some portion Cherokee. She was mad & insisted the DNA test my Mom got was wrong because it said zero Cherokee but, did indicate a very small percentage (less than 1%) from West Africa. We suspect there was a great granny that claimed Cherokee heritage in order to conceal her slave roots. Ironically, my Dad’s DNA did confirm Native American ancestry.
My mother in law has decided she as secretly adopted because she has no Cherokee in her dna test 😂😂😂 she is so convinced she is part Cherokee (she’s Lilly white with fair skin) she refuses to believe she isn’t no matter the evidence to the contrary
DNA tests aren’t a reliable source, especially since the testing is regarded to be in its infancy still. So I see no issues with not believing it. You’re not guaranteed to inherit any specific part of dna from your ancestors. It doesn’t disprove your genealogy. And due to that population mixing for eons prior to this technology some ethnic groups are harder to pinpoint than others.
A native channel says that ancestry researchers do not include southern and eastern natives in their considerations, thats why it’s not showing up for a lot of people.
@@284Winchester know many native people who are blond haired and blue eyed. They would be 50% native / 50% white. Also, when I lived in Inuvik, there were twins there...one looked full Inuit, one was blond haired and blue eyed. Genetics are a funny thing. (I'm not saying your mom is native, just commenting on how you can't assume by looks)
We grew up with those Cherokee stories too, but it wasn't showing up in anyone's DNA tests so we started thinking it wasn't true. But then my cousin did a deep genealogy search of our shared grandmother and traced her all the way back to a Cherokee AND a Catawba in the 1600's. That was a pleasant surprise. And then, weirdly, one of MY grand-daughters did DNA testing and it came back with some Native American. We assumed it must have come from her father's side, but his family is adamant that they are 100% Scandinavian and European. Sooo...she's a throwback???
Yes if it’s back that far, it likely won’t show. Also, if you don’t have any, and your children do, it has to be coming from their fathers side or if he doesn’t have any, then it would be error. Can’t get something from nothing, lol. 😀
@@familytreenutshistorygenealogy It isn't reassuring that they can make that kind of an error. LOL My ex has never been tested, maybe I'll spring for a test and try to talk him into giving a sample just to see what shows up. We already know he's descended from a member of the Jesse James gang. Who knows what else we'll find. LOL
The problem with DNA testing centers is their databases are very limited and thy don't share with eachother. 23 and me for example, has a very small native database for comparisons. GED match is where you want to look. 23 and me told me I am 100 percent European. When compared to actual native databases, I show Shawnee Ancestry. Matches my family tree from 7th to 9th generation grandparents. Hokolesqua bloodline!
Thank you for this detailed and well explained issue. There are a lot of dynamics behind this, especially since there are sometimes exceptions. I have always known my ancestry, and the family photographs prove it. One of the areas that confuses the issue is the registry of Cherokees, assuming that the records going back to 1835 when The Cherokee Nation was ordered out of the states they previously occupied and were made to relocate to Oklahoma, formerly referred to as "Indian Territory." Many died on the way. Others refused to go to Oklahoma and wondered off, ending up in other states. This was the case of my mother's Great Grandfather who came from Tennessee and went north into Ohio. He changed his name so that he would not be traced and refused to sign the registry as a Cherokee. In our research, we discovered that he changed his name and left the migration was because he had killed a man and his wife and was escaping the authorities. He went north into Ohio and joined a settlement group made up of freed Blacks, largely mulattoes, and European Endentured Servants who continued north into central Michigan following the logging boom, and transformed the cut-over White Pine land into agricultural. You bring up an interesting divisional breakdown of racial and ethnic content that underscores the key issue here. In my particular case, my parents seemed to share the same make up of mixed ancestry, tri-racial which was passed on to me. The Native American traits were common in our family, but it did not identify with the Cherokees since they were removed and did not maintain a tribal affiliation. So as far as the skin tone issue for some Black Americans with Native features, in my experience it was the other way around. I asked my father since he displayed such obvious Native American features why we chose to associated with Black people, specially fair skinned Mulattoes and not claim to be "Indians." To this my father answered because at the time, to be an "Indian" was considered to be nothing." And it wasn't until 1925 that Native Americans were considered Citizens of the United States, four years after my father was born.
Just married to a "Cherokee princess" and had to watch. She had heard the story of the Cherokee ancestry before her father's family migrated to California. She was uncertain it was true. But she decided to take a DNA test and sure enough, there it was. It was also a higher than expected but that's another story common in eastern Tennessee and Kentucky. 😁 So the story seems to check out (except the princess part, of course. But she's my Queen).
I love this video. Thank you for explaining this popular belief. I am 55 years old. My dad's brothers and sisters have said that my great grandmother Nancy Belle Windsor Hazelwood was 1/2 Cherokee, like most people in my area. She was raised in the Sand Mountain area of North Alabama in the 1880's and her ancestors escaped the trail of tears and married into my family. It all made since. In her pics, she has high cheek bones and they remember her having beautiful olive colored skin. It all matches up with what you said. I have done the DNA testing and, of course, nothing shows up. I am 92% English and 8% Scandinavian. I have researched our genealogy and found no connection to native Americans. Like you said, there probably was a Cherokee ancestor in there back in the 1600's-1700's because they came from Georgia and before that, North Carolina. So, I may really be 0.05%-0.075% Cherokee. It's SO funny how everything you said is what I have been told and my dad's siblings are adamant about it. They would not like your video 😂. But, I loved it. I love the truth, even if it proves my beliefs wrong. Thank you.
Please stop with the high cheek bone thing. Look at portraits that preempt Europeans in North America. Some had high cheek bones , some did not. ALL natives did not have high cheekbones or other perceived “native” features. We did not and do not all look like the representation on the nickel or cigar store carving. We have varying complexions, facial features, etc distinct to our tribe. It is offensive that we are seen as just a bunch of Indians.
@@wanderingstar5673 you're probably not even Native American, you're probably a white liberal constantly looking for reasons to be offended. I get offended by many things I see. You know what I do? I just keep scrolling and chalk it up to tolerance. I don't go around trying to prove that I am somehow morally superior to others. We are all sinners. My hope for you is that you find peace in life and maybe lighten up a bit. God Bless.
I heard this same story (not always Cherokee though) from many people, including my own family, when I was growing up; so it’s interesting to hear that it is so widespread. At some point, I started crunching numbers in my head and realized something was off about it. I paid some attention in school, so I knew that the Indians were forced to leave in the 1830s. I started wondering how so many Indians all over the South must have escaped the forced migration west to have stayed in so many family trees. In the South today, outside of a handful of places and excluding those immigrants from south of the border,, you don’t see many people who are recognizably Native American, but for so many people today to have a grandparent or great grandparent that was full Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Creek, etc., there should still be people all over the place who look a lot more like Indians. There should also be a lot more intermingling of those who are obviously Indian with whites and blacks, but I never saw this. I came to believe that this thing about much of the southern population having significant amounts of native ancestry was highly unlikely. This was one more reason why I lost interest in identity that is based on certain people, groups, or places other than the people I know personally and the places where my own body spends it’s time on earth. I still find stuff about History and ancestry interesting, but I don’t feel a need to know my exact place in it all.
What I was told was that some Cherokee refused to leave. They cut their hair short, wore white men's clothes, and told the rednecks they were "Black Dutch". I remember seeing an ancient black and white photo of some great-great aunt or somebody that was one of these people. She was decidedly dark-complected. The rest of us are as Irish as fish for breakfast. Pale and freckly, with many a weird red beard.
@@BrutishYetDelightful Others just married into the white families and stayed there. That's what happened with the one line in my family that was here before the late 1800's...that part of the family was interesting to find out about.
For most of us, who were not raised Native American, any native heritage is too far back to matter. My great great grandmother was supposedly rescued from the Trail of Tears and ended up living in Arkansas. Many people were either rescued or left behind on the Trail of Tears and none can be verified. If you escaped from a forced march, would you tell anyone about it? My great grand mother was the only living person I could ask about it and I was too young to know. What I did ask her about was the rumor that we were related to Jessie James. Her reply was, " Well, it's true. But I don't claim him!" Years later, I had the opportunty to do geneology research and did find that my great grandmother was related to some of the Dawsons, who were cousins to Jessie and part of his gang in some of the robberies. Think about it. We think he was some kind of Robin Hood. In reality, all we know is that he robbed banks and killed a lot of people. These are some of the reasons that family heritage gets shrouded in mystery. I prefer my own family memories. I remember my great grandmother's log cabin in th back woods of Arkansas with it's big feather bed and a fireplace. It had pump in the back yard where she did laundry. My brothers were still young enough to take a bath in that big wash tub. To me, it was a fun adventure.
My mom’s family history is similar. There is more than Cherokee in our family. But they hid in Louisiana due the Indian removal act. You can see it in my grandparents and their siblings. Randomly in my mom’s generation and only the males in my generation lol.
The mention of the Hebrews is pertinent because many Native Americans, historically and presently, claim descent from the ten tribes of Israel and they receive similar treatment to those who assert Cherokee ancestry. Here's how the term "Habiru" may have evolved into "Hebrew." Haviru - A simple vowel change, indicative of common phonetic evolution. Hapiru - An alternate spelling documented in ancient texts. Habiri - A minor alteration, likely influenced by regional dialects. Habri - The omission of the vowel 'i', known as syncope. Habir - An additional reduction by removing the final vowel. 'Ibri - The initial 'H' is lost, and an initial vowel is added, as can happen in language shifts. Ibri - The standardization of the initial apostrophe that indicates a glottal stop. Ivri - A consonant transition from 'b' to 'v', a typical occurrence in linguistic evolution. Hebrew - The ultimate English form of the word. The term 'Hapiru' bears resemblance to 'Hapi,' one of the sons of Horus, and is also associated with the Hapiru tribe of Babylon, known alternatively as 'Habiru.' Upon examining this name, it suggests a spelling variation of 'Hebrew.' A linguistic transformation where "rus" in "Horus" becomes "rews" in "Hebrew." Horus - The original name of the ancient Egyptian sky deity. Horu - The final 's' is dropped, a typical linguistic simplification. Horus - The 's' is reintroduced, which can occur when the name is adopted into another language. Horusi - The addition of a vowel at the end, a common change as names evolved. Horuse - The vowel shifts from 'i' to 'e', indicating a change in pronunciation. Horusew - The insertion of a 'w', likely influenced by a language favoring specific consonant-vowel pairings. Horusews - The 'sew' becomes 'sews', possibly due to a transcription error or dialectal variation. Horews - The 'u' is omitted, a phenomenon known as syncope. Hrews - Further reduction occurs with the removal of the initial 'o'. Hebrews - The final version, with an initial 'e' added to conform to the phonology of the new language. How “Hapi” might have evolved into “Hopi” Hapi - is the ancient Egyptian deity associated with the Nile River. Hapu - A vowel change, which is a common phonetic shift in languages. Hapoi - An insertion of a vowel sound, which can happen as languages evolve. Hapo - Dropping the final vowel, a process known as apocope. Hopu - A consonant shift, where ‘p’ might be pronounced more closely to ‘b’ in some dialects. Hobi - A vowel change from ‘u’ to ‘i’, reflecting a common linguistic variation. Hopi - The final form, which could be influenced by another language adopting the term and modifying it to fit its phonological system. Legend has it that Maasaw, a Hopi guardian, led the Hopi across a vast ocean following a great flood that engulfed the Earth, which likely indicates a global impact nearly eradicating humankind. He bestowed upon the Hopi a small stone tablet, which granted them the right to settle in the new land. The Hopi Guardian Maasaw shares a name resemblance with Massawa, an ancient port city in Eritrea's Northern Red Sea region. This city was once a part of the Axsum kingdom, established by the descendants of Ityopp'is. Ethiopia's original name, ʾĪtyōṗṗyā, is derived from him, who was a son of Cush and a grandson of Ham. Hua-Mu'ak, the mother of Eber, is recognized for the origin of the Hebrews' name, and her name, Mu'ak, resembles the pronunciation of Mohawk, ˈmōˌhôk. She was married to Selah, son of Kainan, whose name variant appears in the Kanienkeha language. Additionally, Ne'elatama'uk, a wife of Ham, shares a name segment, atama'uk, similar to the Algonquian word for Tomahawk, otomahuk, albeit spelled differently. Transforming the term "Iraqian" to "Iroquoian" linguistically involves a gradual change method. Iraqian - The starting point, referring to something or someone from Iraq. Iraquian - A minor alteration in spelling for phonetic variation. Iraquoin - Omitting the 'a' to edge closer to our target word. Iraquoi - Further simplifying by dropping the 'n', honing in on the core phonetic structure. Iroquoi - Substituting 'a' for 'o' to mirror the vowel sound in "Iroquoian". Iroquian - Reintroducing the 'n' to create an ending akin to "Iroquoian". Iroquoan - Modifying the 'i' to an 'o' to match the target word's vowel pattern. Iroquoian - The final form, denoting the language family of the Iroquois Confederacy.
Yeah, no one ever claimed my great, great grandmother (who was still alive for a number of years after I was born--we had a 5-generation photo in the local paper) was royalty. Just a NA woman who married some guy named O'Neil.
I got migraines from rolling my eyes too hard when the Washington Redskins changed their name, and having to listen to all the white people claim Cherokee heritage and "not being offended." I always thought that if the full blooded relative is too far back for you to ever have known them, they are too far back to claim them. I am pretty much at the legal limit for my tribe. I had to prove me lineage (not ancestry because ancestry is too far back) through my birth certificate, my mother's birth certificate, my grandmother's birth certificate, and my great uncle's birth certificate. My grandmother was full blooded Mi'kmaq. If I had a kid, they would not be eligible to get their band card from the tribe.
Such a great video! Thank you!! I’m a Cherokee genealogist and worked for the Cherokee Nation tribe for several years. I often saw fake tribal cards from non-native, nonprofit fake groups that made the person’s family think they were all Cherokee. A lot of Business men would also buy one of those fake tribe’s Cherokee cards to get millions of dollars in Government grants and jobs that were geared specifically for native Americans. Cherokees in the late 1800s/1900’s for the most part have such European names that families looking for a Cherokee ancestor would see the name of their grandmother, let’s say Mary Ross, and decide that was their ancestor and they are Cherokee. That wasn’t “their” Mary, and they weren’t Cherokee. Sometimes families would even claim the Cherokee Mary Ross’ entire Cherokee family as their own, and then could quote their CHEROKEE genealogy going back centuries. Of course, it’s not their family at all. One question I had for you, is it your experience that Caucasian men married Cherokee women only into the early 1800’s? My experience has been different with marriages continuing steadily on up to the Dawes Card “IMW” designation. Again, thanks so much for this video, it’s the absolute best!
I actually have Ross as a surname in my family; in fact, it's my mother's maiden name, but I never assumed I would be related to Cherokee Chief John Ross. I say if there is any connection, it's most likely on his Scottish side.
It is interesting you asked him about marriage. Through my uncovering our ancestry, I learned, though can only really verify by the relatives I have on the ancestry sites, my 6x great g father married multiple Native Americans. Supposedly, his 1st wife from Ireland, if I remember correctly, thought it would help with general ease in community/area relations. He had 2 children with my 6x great gma-my 5x great gma & uncle. 27 children overall by stats records with 5 wives. Legal, I’ve no idea. But very interesting. I don’t know how one would verify some of that info. I actually find this more interesting.
As an actual Native American, and an enrolled member of the Oneida Nation, I wish I had a dollar for every time a white person told me they're Cherokee.
@@c.m.cordero1772 my pale ass would say this, but then clarify that my Great Grandfather was Shawnee adopted by Cherokee Nation. Still, that don't mean a damn thing if there is no sincere attempt at reconnection, learning of traditions, and learning the language. But two things that I am that would help me here are that I am exceedingly humble, and I like to be polite as a matter of course, because it's the right way to relate to human beings.
I agree. The biggest red flag is the "Cherokee Princess" crap.. lol😂😂.. yet they don't even know their roots.. AND want to pursue "that free Indian money" which is insulting. They don't EVEN know ANY of the treaties or the hardships..
I have Cherokee ancestors who escaped the trail of tears by hiding in the great smoky mountains of Tennessee. Fast forward a few decades later, some of my Cherokee ancestors, who still lived in East Tennessee when the civil war broke out and Tennessee seceded, joined the Confederate army to retaliate against the federal government. My grandmother actually had a picture of one of my great grandfathers when he was in the Confederate army. He was wearing a Cherokee Indian headdress and holding a rifle. I actually recently found a picture of a Cherokee woman in my family tree. This was around the same time the part of my family that was actually Cherokee began to accumulate into American culture. No one who actually qualified to register on the Dawes rolls actually registered. The reasoning being is that they didn’t trust the federal government.
You are correct. I was told that my family was Cherokee, because my mother didn't have enough to be able to receive any benefit's for being Indian. But enough that the school received money because of it. I had my DNA done on both my mom and myself. And they show that we had no Cherokee at all. Who knew?
Interesting fact. If you can prove you had an ancestor on the Dawes rolls you can be enrolled in the Cherokee tribe. I personally have seen CDIB cards that said 1/128 Indian blood. And that person was an enrolled member of the western band of Cherokee. Any blood quantum that you can directly connect to the Dawes rolls you can be tribally enrolled.
Glad you included that part about how there is a tiny percentage of people who are. My mom is a registered member of the Cherokee Nation, we've traced our family to the Dawes Rolls. My grandfather was born on the reservation and his name is on the Cherokee Vietnam memorial in Oklahoma. My mother was harassed by other native children all the time because she was lighter skinned and had blond hair, and her sister was of a darker skin tone with black hair.
Truth !!! That is the only legal way to be an enrolled indigenous American. It is all about the rolls. Our tribes up this way is the 1942 census. Grew up fair skinned in the city & experienced such racism from rez cousins & caucasian neighbors. Now a days all grandmothers have mixed blood grandchildren. I try to be the Grandmother to the Grandchildren of all my relatives. Genocide is only a few reams of paperwork, some old file cabinets, hard drives & databases away for many of our families & small tribes soon. All tribes are effected. My husband's Makah tribe has a war Memorial dedicated to never losing a member serving the US Military. Thoughts and so my prayers, to all...
Thank goodness someone finally addressed this issue of everybody claiming Native American ancestry, it’s like hijacking a culture that don’t belong to you. Everybody wants to be part of the Wannabe Tribe.
They don’t REALLY want to be Native American they just want to claim the right to call themselves indigenous. They have zero interest in living the lives of the First Nations peoples
Its because academia and popular opinion hate whitey and white people are ashamed of their own heritage so they are trying to claim another identity which makes them sound more pathetic.... I am a proud Gaul and should be such as Native Americans should embrace their central asian heritage.
@@ghostcasper3185 I’m certainly not claiming it, my ancestry and DNA have no Native American origins. If I did have Native American DNA I would be proud but I don’t and I’m just as fascinated with the DNA I do have.
This is so true… I'm in my late 60s and I have known about this false "Cherokee princess" claim since at least age 13. I've been active since that early age in indigenous rights so I have gotten that comment for years and years and I just laugh when people tell me, they have a Cherokee princess relative in their family.
Thank You Thank You Thank You, I have been teaching for many years and including my siblings. Some of my clients were not happy with me saying this, especially since I couldn't find Cherokee bloodline. When I tried to do research with the Western Cherokee, the librarian told me "No one will take you seriously if you say what others have said "My Grandmother was a Cherokee Princes" or So and so was "one hundred % Cherokee." We don't have Cherokee but we do have other documented American Indian ancestry.
@@familytreenutshistorygenealogy On gates's who do you think you are tv program, they are always coming up with NA ancestry, especially for blacks. I haven't had a DNA test yet. An uncle had said my Paternal Grandfather was 1/16th Cherokee, Chickasaw, Chippewa...I don't remember which, but I was not able to trace any of it back. But out of nowhere to my surprise on my Mom's side there are "tree suggestions" of 3 NA ancestors in 'those years' you mentioned. ;-) I will continue to try to verify it, but is there a DNA test you would recommend over another?
There are many places to find the Cherokee genealogy documents and how to recognize them, so you’re only correct on a very small amount of what you wrote.
@@user-ii4zf5iq3t I’ve done the all & overseen dozens of others & I like AncestryDNA the best simply because they have such a large test group out there.
This is a great video. You state ideas I have always had. I've been told all of my life we had Cherokee blood. I've done much research and never could prove anything. These ancestors had very European Surnames such as Sparks and Combs. Like your video, they state it was my great-great grandmother. She would have been born in latter half of 19th century. I do have pictures of my great grandfather. Like you discuss in your video, he had the dark hair, dark eyes, high cheekbones etc. However, I think we may be more Melungeon as most families in eastern KY were descended from. There definitely is a unique set of peoples in eastern KY. So many have dark hair, eyes, and skin tone. But, I've always questioned if it was Native American. You really make your points well.
Those are Cherokee last names. If you want to find the correct genealogical paperwork (DNA is NOT used to establish Cherokee ancestry), find “Cherokee Connections” by Myra Vanderpool.
I had my forensic DNA profile done by one the best forensic DNA Analyst in CA, I'm melungeon with mix of Indian ( Creeks) family generation of East Kentucky Appalachian Mountains.
@@schoolingdiana9086DNA won’t find if a person is Cherokee, but it will show if a person has any Native American ancestry. Many people that have confirmed Cherokee ancestry and are enrolled tribal members have very little because the Cherokee nation does not require a blood quantum percentage to be a citizen.
I did a genealogy test and have a tiny bit Native blood in me,but it’s so small it doesn’t really count at less than 2%. It’s probably from an ancestor waaaaay back in 17th century Colonial America probably from an Eastern Algonquian nation like Lenape or something. My test also led me on a journey to find my majority African ancestry of the Fulani and Yoruba peoples of Nigeria in West Africa. For Black Americans, thats like finding a rare gem as so much of our original ethnicities were purposely erased. I’m very happy and proud to be Fulani AND Yoruba.
I’m white and according to both DNA tests I’ve taken and the genealogical paper trail, I have about 3 percent indigenous American ancestry. Some ancestor of mine was married on a Mohawk reservation in what is now a part of Ontario. But like you, the amount is so small that it’s pretty much negligible.
Bro anybody can be a native from america.you look like one of my ppl ! Your a indian sir !! Your not native nothing ! A native american is a foreigner. A native american is actually a white person ! They the ones that came up with the group in being a african is slime depending on what area your ancestors was at, AT the time ! if your ancestors was in the south of america it possible cus Africans was getting sent to the south of America in it also possible cus our ppl was going to africa to get away from white invaders in we own liberia in africa.our ppl was the president over there from back in the day.
This was a great video. I did my ancestry and it stopped at 1920. I was and still am disappointed, however, I just got some new insight from this channel and am looking forward to watching more videos ❤…just trying to figure out where I came from!!!!! Thanks so much!
A lot of people here in Kentucky who think they have Cherokee blood actually have Shawnee blood, especially in the eastern half of the state. There was a ton of confusion between those tribes among settlers. But it remains true that 90% of Kentuckians who have been here 5+ generations have at least some Native American heritage, usually Cherokee or Shawnee. In my case, it was my great-great-grandmother, who like most Natives in these parts married whites and fully integrated into white society in the 1800s. Based on her portrait from the 1870s, she had fully embraced my great-great-grandfather's lifestyle, as he liked to make and spend money (which is why none of it lasted down to me).
My father is part Cherokee , and my mother did his geneology . And we have his paper work. And he remembers his great grandfather who held him as a baby . Who was full Cherokee . They all came to Oklahoma on the trail of tears . His great grand father married a white woman , very frowned upon . So they had to move off the reservation, or they were going to kill her. So he did . Because she was pregnant my great grand father.
Right, since you have records you are the exception to this video. It’s more for the millions of those who have been told their whole lives that they are Cherokee.
@@familytreenutshistorygenealogy mind you. I am not. I have my father's last name, because he is the father of my heart and soul. He saved me and my brother from an abusive father and step mother when I was right and my brother was six. He raised us as his own . He taught us to be men. But am not Cherokee. But he is my father that is for sure. He is now 81 I'm 64. He taught us to hunt fish and trap. No boy could ask for a better father. And he didn't have to be, and yet he was every step of the way.
Same here. But if I mention it, now no one believes me. My grandmother was a genealogist for crying out loud, but nothing deters a naysayer... it's frustrating.
Add my respect. Our government has sorely wronged you. There is much evil afoot in this world. The majority of us are good people There is much to be admired in the Indian culture....
THE REAL HEBREW ISRAELITES, FROM THE TRIBES OF GAD AND REUBEN. ITS SO EASY,TO STUDY YOUR BIBLE,CAUSE OUR IDENTITY WAS STOLEN BY ESAUS DESCENDANTS. REJOICE IN THE MOST HIGH GOD OF THE HEBREW ISRAELITES.
Well I am a real bonifide white skin Cherokee Nation Citizen and have been all of my life. Cherokees have been marrying whites for 300 years so of course there are going to be alot of white skinned cherokee. One of our most prominent Cherokee Chiefs, John Ross who led our people on the Trail ofTears was only 1/8 cherokee by blood and 7/8 white/scots. This did not make him any less cherokee than full bloods who walked the Trail right next to him.. The old way of determining cherokee identity was not about skin color or blood quantum. That was imposed later by the feds and many cherokee resisted the blood quantum insanity as long as possible. Now we are all swept up in it regardless.
Yes but not All Cherokees are Citizens of the Cherokee Nation, and there was Tribes in the South that were undocumented and the actually Were Cherokees
Chief John Ross put up a good fight using the Constitution's own words against why the exodus of the Cherokee was illegal. He even had Politicians who agreed with him, but eventually, Andrew Jackson and the American Government won and so the Trail of Tears came to be. That's what I've read.
Absolutely love this video. I am roughly half Spanish and half Native a mix from Mexican tribes but mostly Mescalero Apache and from various Pueblo tribes. When I moved to Texas seeing blonde hair blued white girls talking about how they are part Cherokee was hilarious. Like back in New Mexico people who have actual Native decent but identify as Mexican don't even say they are Native because they don't follow the tribal customs. This is a video that alot of people need to see and take to heart.
I'm fron the same roots bro. I'm Mescalero Apache, Tohono, and Seri. I agree with what your saying. Alot of "Mexicans" identify as Latino and they are brown and look straight Native. It's the sad aftermath of genocide
I am a card carrying enrollee of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma (CNO), which does not accept DNA as 'evidence' of heritage, only certifiable genealogic research and documentation. One of my brothers, my sister, and myself are brown haired and brown eyed, the other brother blonde and blue. Same parentage, same lineage, he has Cherokee ancestry.
@@-oiiio-3993 Thank you for speaking up here. I am a Cherokee Nation Citizen my whole life. I am light skinned, grey eyes and had brown hair before it turned grey. There are ALOT of white skinned real cherokee. How could there not be when we started marrying whites 300 years ago? The apaches may have married more hispanic blood I don't know, but I am sick and tired of the skin color predjudice all the way around. It seems worse now than when I was young. At least back then the elders kept the bullies under control.
As a genealogist and historian, I am aware of all this. However, my spouse is a Redbone from LA and his tree is pretty well documented historically and DNA proves it. good video and I have the same issue when doing trees. Mom's bloodline is Mandan and too far back.
Thank you for this intriguing information. We needed to hear this and I know you've done your research! We just didn't know how to understand all the family rumors but what you say makes sense! Thanks for taking the time to share this information...it is greatly appreciated ❤
I had a gorgeous girlfriend in LA in the late '70s and she claimed she was a part Cherokee - it was so exotic to me as I just immigrated from Eastern-Europe. I bragged to everyone back home about it but now when I look back I'm sure she was one of those people who probably had Cherokee granny way back to even register in her DNA. But it made her happy to believe in it and so I was happy for her, too.
There was a story passed down in my family that my paternal grandfather was of Montana Sioux heritage; I took the Ancestry DNA test, and everything came back northern European.
The one my daughter and sister did analyzed the mitochondrial DNA. That is only passed from mothers to their children. My Cherokee ancestry come from my great grandfather's side of the family and since he inherited his mother's mitochondrial DNA, he would have had it, but it wouldn't pass to any if his children. Makes sense when you think of it that it didn't show in my sister's or daughter's mitochondrial DNA.
@@SRWill64 yeah it’s all kinds of complicated in the North America my moms side says south of the border native by blood quantum but no reference to any tribes or bloodline. My dads on the other side comes from the US and is more specific but we’ve done the genealogy work and traced us back to the Mescalero and lipans.
You really need to do your ancestry tree. I never thought my family had any native ancestry even thought they settled beside reservations in Canada. Turned out after doing the family tree they were a well documented historic Native American family. They were historic translators for five generations and part of Indian Affairs for several generations. They also led the Indian division of Buttler Rangers. I have over 30 smart DNA matches in the line going back 14 generation, yet show zero Native American DNA. In short, the DNA was not helpful in show Native American ancestry. I was just lucky because my family members were all well documented in historical books and documents in Canada and the US.
Ok. I got your video. You're going back way far to disprove Cherokee link or very little dna. My great grandmother is full blood Cherokee and is provable from Arkansas. I'm 1/16 Cherokee.
Thanks for the hard truth. I've always been suspicious of these exact claims by family members - Great great grandmother, Cherokee princess, the whole enchilada. As i have ancestry hailing from Arkansas around the time of the forced migration, it is plausible, but i always figured that to belong to a tribe was largely cultural, and it never felt right to exploit some claim of Cherokee ancestry for personal gain when i had zero participation in tribal cultural life.
I was told the same thing. I was shown pictures of my full blooded grandmother, but she does not show up in the geneology. I was told by my grandmother. Her husband, my grandfather had a full blooded mother. I was told that people would deny the native blood in our family and she wanted me to know the truth about where and who I came from. But some how..I got my DNA back and low and behold, Cherokee. We also have Congo blood as well. Melungeon blood is the mix of Cherokee, African and European. I do believe this is my family. Blood doesn't lie but records can be falsified. Now I just have to find out which records and where. The mystery goes on.
A DNA test would not tell you Cherokee. It would just tell you Native American or similar. But while this video started out well, it devolved into bullshit. It's nowhere near as black and white as he makes it out to be, and a lot of disinformation.
My maternal grandmother was born according to what I was told in 1892. She was adopted in Oklahoma and brought back to Trinity Texas where she lived her entire life. Several of her sons told me over the years just based on her facial features they thought she was Cherokee. I have the means and hired an investigator who did some digging around a small town near Tulsa and discovered what might be a connection. I used information my mom's oldest sister gave me of the story my grandmother's adoptive parents told her about where she came from. If the story I was told is correct I am 1/8th Cherokee. Basically, my mother's maternal grandmother was either attacked by a white man and later had a child or she simply was in love with a white man. Anybody can make a claim so I traveled to this town and met up with a lady who is full-blood Cherokee. I am 65 today and this lady was almost 30 years older than I was. Today still alive and in her 90s and VERY active. During our conversation, she showed me some photos of her mother. It was almost like looking at a photo of my grandmother. Then after learning we may be connected by maternal bloodlines, I suggested both of us be mitochondrial DNA tested. Ours was the same. While I can't be 100% sure, there is some resemblance and we have the same mitochondrial DNA.
@@LELEW-bz4sp I am white. I might also add that all humans regardless of their race have mitochondrion inside the cells of their body. I'm not going to debate this with you and suggest you do some research!
I don't claim that my ancestors were cherokee, BUT, during a family tree search, it was found that a Scottish ancestor DID marry an Indian girl somewhere near Charleston, S.C. in the mid 1700's. Her name is lost to history, and that decree of marriage is all that I have, but I believe it. Again, not claiming upper echelon in the tribe, but member of the Native American tribe in general.
My grandmother used to claim that she was part Cherokee. Supposedly, her great, great grandmother was the daughter of Geronimo. She was pretty mad when I told her that Geronimo was Apache, not Cherokee. 🤣 Actually, most of her family was European. Her mother was a 3rd cousin of Boris Karloff, and a distant cousin of Charles Van Dorne. So I'm distantly related to a horror icon, and a quiz show cheate. 🤣
Genetic testing revealed to me and most of my friends how completely unreliable most parents are when it comes to where we REALLY came from. I was always told we were Souix Indian and German... 23 and me says Irish, English, and Scandinavian. Lol! 😆 🤣 😂
@swan.winter For some reason there are a lot of people in Oregon with Scandinavian ancestry. They are distinct from the type of 'white' I come from, which is mixed- British/Scottish/German/Lithuanian/Polish, Russian and Mediterranean. They are also different than the ones who are Irish. I don't think there is any such thing as a bad background culturally, every culture has its strengths and its beauty. It's so interesting.
I like that we are past the age where we are encouraged to forget our roots and we are allowed to explore where we truly fit. Who knows why our parents thought those things, maybe it was what they wanted to be, or told they should be, or they gave their best guess. 😊
@@FireflowerDancer Absolutely! I appreciate that too - that we're no longer being discouraged from tracing our roots. Further research into my ancestry shows there was a very prevalent effort to hide all traces of Irish ancestry to the point of changing all last names from Irish last names to much more "American-sounding" names.
I grew up being told my mother was of French Canadian stock, her families name after all was very much identifiably French Canadian. When I got a DNT test though I was a bit surprised. My father was as polish as one can be , we know for a fact where his family came from. My mother however turned out to have only the slightest bit of French Canadian. She was predominantly Scotts, Irish, German and a bit of Swedish and only then a tiny bit of French Canadian. Who knew!
I need to get my father's MtDNA test. His maternal line goes back to French Canadian and I traced it all the way back to France. I do wonder what his haplogroup will be. Mine will be different as my maternal line is Norweigan.
This is such an informative and compassionate video! It has also helped me untangle the story told for generations in my own family! I really appreciate you and your work!
I love this channel! I was told as a child that we had Cherokee in our family line. However, my wife and I studied my family lines and the answer is a solid, "Nope". I was fine with it because truth and facts is just that. I'm proud of all my family lines.
I really enjoy your videos. Cherokee or Indian princess was just how most of the west described a chief’s daughter. Depending on the tribe there were greater and lesser chiefs, wartime and peace chiefs, different bands, etc. I’m Cherokee & Ojibwe among other things and still have family who live back home.
I know the story I’ve been told my whole life and if it turned out not to be true, it would feel confusing and disorienting - but I’m less concerned with proving Cherokee ancestry and more concerned with finding out who my great grandfather was and where he was from (wherever that happens to be). The story passed down is that my grandmother’s father, born around 1898 in Indian Territory (nearest US town was Seneca Missouri so based on the maps it looks to be Cherokee Nation) remembers his parents being murdered by cowboys, specifically his mother being held by her hair and drowned. He was taken on horseback to the man’s sisters house, who he always referred to as Aunt Alice. He’s raised by her in Seneca along with her biological daughter who my mom knew and heard these stories from as well. We found him on the census living with her and her husband David McNeil as well as Alice’s brother Harvey Baker. He is listed as Celola “nephew”. Later on the census his name has changed to WR Baker and he goes by Richard. He leaves this home at 13 and goes to work as a rancher and from them on we only know him as Richard Baker. On a 1930 census he is listed as Cherokee but never again. He is not on the Dawes roll. We don’t know his mother and we aren’t sure if Harvey is his father or just some man who murdered his Indian mother or what. Whatever the case, cherokee or not, I wish I could find out who Celola really was, where his mother is, why she was murdered …. But he’s long dead and according to my grandmother (also now deceased) her dad didn’t talk about his childhood. Was it common for cowboys to kidnap Indian children in the late 1800s? And murder women? I’ve always heard of Indians capturing white children but not so much the other way around.
Thank you for sharing. Very interesting. Hope you find answers someday, but the mists of time can guard secrets well. There are many secrets in my family history too, including a murder and an uncle who was spoken of only in whispers and who I only met once. Very odd.
Hey brother, just wanted to remind you to keep teaching and spreading knowledge! It's important to address misconceptions, like the claim of having Indios taínos DNA in Puerto Ricans. Despite what some may say, there is no trace of it in the population. In NYC, there are also many claiming to be Indios taínos. If that were true, why don't we have Adam and Eve DNA? Keep up the good work and keep educating others. You're making a difference!
Hi, can you please explain something to me? I am white skinned and have not done a gene test, HOWEVER my great great grandma literally is a Monacan Indian. She is on the tribal roll and I am her descendant. This is a fact and not family lore. She lived a long time and had brown skin and as far as I’m aware was 100% NA. Am I considered native because I’m her descendant? Even though my skin is light from white intermarriage? Would I need a DNA test? Thx
Most likely, if she is an enrolled citizen, then your grandparent and parent would be too. Then you would be also. Why did they not enroll you at birth? If she is 100%, then you would be 1/8. Every tribe is it's own sovereign nation, making their own requirements for citizenship. Most likely, her tribe would allow someone 1/8 to be enrolled. Some tribes its 1/4. I will say, though, just being enrolled is not enough. You should try to be active in your community. Hope that's helpful. Also, DNA tests will not tell you what tribe you are from, and enrollment offices will not use that as proof of lineage. I just looked on their website. I was trying to see what their blood quantum requirement is. I couldn't find it. You can call the enrollment office and talk to them further about it! 😊
@@rachelherrera5867 no if his great great grand mother was 100%, then great grand parent is 50% or 1/2, grand parent 25% or 1/4, parent 12.5% or 1/8 AND THIS PERSON 6.25% OR 1/16.
Thank you for this video. The truth about certain tribes taking slaves has seemed to be lost in history. My great x5 grandmother was scalped and taken by a Shawnee chief as a bride. She was very young, the surviving settlers with her were all enslaved and sold to the Cherokee. My gggma layer had 12 children with the same man who scalped her. The history is horrid and was also backed up with documentation which were found some years ago after extensive research and weeks in the national archives. Her lineage is in the Dawes and weirdly enough I ended buying a property just miles from my long lost native family. Because of the ugly history of the truth about how we had native blood I believe it was hidden from our family. One of those generational truths that no one really wanted to talk about. I’m way more excited about my father’s European heritage!
People have also not been educated about how some Native American tribes not only fought for the confederacy, but refused to free their slaves after the war. The government had to put it in a treaty the natives wanted to force them to free the slaves they kept. It’s why I get so irritated with people who not only don’t understand what Juneteenth was, but are now believing that that was the true date the slaves were freed. Slaves were still kept after that for months until that treaty.
@@mycinnamongirlya there's actually quite a lot of gruesome instances like that where people had survived scalping but there were a lot more that died as a result
We’ve never been told we have Native blood but my mom was from Germany, lol. Dad’s family lines are a bit tricky but European. There always a bit of intrigue in family history, I think that’s what makes genealogy so fascinating, like what ancestors gave my German mom and some of her siblings their dark (nearly black) hair and hazel eyes? In the summer her skin became beautifully tanned, while the rest of us were pretty pasty white (lol) and we all had light hair. One day I’m going to get my genetic testing done, I imagine it will be pretty interesting!
My grandmother used to tell us that we were part Cherokee. When I began researching my family tree, I learned of the Dawes Rolls and drove over the National Archives with a friend from the genealogical society. She found one Native American named Whatabigbelly. That gave us a good laugh. I found what I think was the reason that my grandmother's claim. When she was a child, in the early 1900's, the government had a program that was going to pay people based on their percentage of Indian blood. My memory is really fuzzy, but 6 or 8 adult brothers and cousins put in their claim. They each used each other as proof that they were part Cherokee. That was basically the only evidence they had. They must have filled out their forms together because they each had the same type of proof and nobody was named more than once. It was a circle of lies. Later in my studies I heard a rumor that my 5th great grandmother was part Cherokee. She was also born 1768 in either England or Ireland. Those two statements just cannot work together as there were no Cherokees in the UK. Later I found a reference that she might have been born in South Carolina. I wonder if that claim was made to support the part Indian claim.
Finally someone says it. Money. That is why there are so many people that want to claim native American of some sorts. Especially nowadays. Went to school with many of them that claimed native American, but used to laugh about getting money.
My 2nd great grandmother went by the name of Pocahantus Mosley. My great grandmother who was 99 in 1987 used to brag to me that she was half Indian. However, after doing some research, I found a birth record in the 1880s that showed Pocahantus was actually named "Beckie". Even though her marriage and death certificates show "Pocahantus." My great grandmother never knew her mother, so it's easy to see how that story got circulated in my family. I really burst a lot of bubbles when I revealed this truth to my dad and his brother. They lived their lives thinking they were at least 1/4 Indian! My personal opinion is that maybe Rebecca Mosley started going by the name Pocahantus in 1882 and lied about her age so she could get married when she was 17 without parental consent. I can't find any other records related to her ancestry though, so it's still much of a mystery. She died in 1892 of tuberculosis.
Wow! What a story! It’s always interesting how stories get created and then over the years they get told and retold until the become a reality that is never questioned. Thank you for sharing your story and be proud of who you really are!
Mosley my mother was a Mosley Mary Mildred from the London Manchester area of KY I have no idea if we are related but if your family comes from that area we may be.
Thank you for the video. I have had frustrations asking my family to stop claiming they are "Native American" because some distant unknown cherokee ancestor. I am an actual tribal member and growing up my brother thought he was cherokee and didn't even know his actual tribe and so I fleshed out all this research and instead of accepting it so far it is like they expect me to prove it is not the case somehow else like I can't conjure up all the ghosts to confirm it. Even the claiming features are native, I am like look at these pictures from the otherside of my family that are hanging up in my tribal court building, look at their features, isn't it crazy they don't look exactly like the italian guys that played Indians in the movies you showed me as a kid?
I have seen a picture of maybe my great grandmother x3 and she was very much Native American. I was always told that she was Cherokee and my aunt has the characteristics of Native American. She is very dark skinned and has black hair. I’m not saying I’m Cherokee but it does make me wonder where I stand? I know I have English and Irish otherwise. Any thoughts?
@@apostolicinthishour @apostolicinthishour the reality of it is that many of the features people assume are from an Indian ancestor are just other types of european features. High cheekbones is something from loads of areas. People from portugal/spain/france/italy/greece/german most places in europe can have long black hair, east and western asians can have long black hair, middle eastern people, some african places, where is there not long black hair? Some places Europe have a lot of blonde hair or red hair, most african places it is not what you would call "straight" but most of the world grows dark hair. What area are you from? That would be a good way to start to figure it out. Depending on what area it is you could find out the tribe and what dynamic they had with local people. There are many rolls for many tribes and historically being off of a reservation at certain times meant death and there was many reasons to maintain tribal affiliation when everyone else seems to be against you. It depends where you are from and the history of everything surrounding the ancestor you are talking about but at face value it is super unlikely just based on you not being sure. If you are in the south it is just the most common thing ever for people to claim. It is scary when white people and black people all claim to have native blood, without any cultural tie or evidence. It is family folklore that gets amplified and it is being used to steal our voices. You can be white as a ghost or as dark as the night and be Indian it is all about how each tribe operates and the history they have. Many tribes have had excellent black leaders and white leaders who were of mixed ancestry. If you are in Oklahoma and you are black and in any of the 5 civilized tribes areas I would put more stock in the possibility of losing an ancestors history that way. It is not guaranteed even then, but easier to trace. Most the time it is some other type not indian though. I will trade you pictures of my 3xs gg and yours if you want so you can see the features in even a historical photo, but measuring based on features is just stereotyping and not really accurate. You need to research it a lot but it is fun learning the history of any of the ancestors you can.
@@michaelmetzger8802 thank you for your response! I originally from North Mississippi, as well as my family is from there. My family, including the supposed Cherokee great grandmother, were all sharecroppers, cotton farmers, etc in their days. I just wanna say I don’t run around saying oh I’m Native American, but more I do want to truly know. And I realize there are a lot of countries with the same dark hair features, etc.
@@michaelmetzger8802 i hit send before I was finished lol! I also get along very well with Latinos. I have a lot of Latino friends and I speak Spanish fluently, use it for my job, etc. I have often wondered if the lady I saw in the Puc years ago was a Mexican Indian? Maybe? Maybe not? I’m in Oklahoma right now for work and have met someone whose father is Creek Indian and whose mom is Mexican, sand we’ve connected well, and had some great conversation about culture, food from such, etc. I wish I had the pic of my grandmother but I would have to search for it. But I enjoy learning about cultures, languages. I speak English, Spanish fluently as well as Bosnian and Arabic some. But I can’t ignore something in my soul or spirit that always feels connected to Native Americans and Mexicans. Could be some type of DNA memory? Idk. I simply wanna learn more and embrace what I am, whatever that might be.
"Hello," @Family Tree Nuts, History & Genealogy Service. I'm an "Avid Genealogist," and I'm so glad I came upon your video about this topic (because while doing my Mother's Paternal Family Genealogy from Winchester, Frederick County, Virginia (where a lot of Cherokee, Shawnee and Opequon Native American Indians also lived prior to the White European Settlers migrating there, that intermarried with the German, Dutch, Irish, Scottish, Welsh and British European Settlers). My Mother (Sandra, 1948-2018) was the daughter of (Floyd, 1918-1994) who was the son of (MARY, 1896-1991) who was the last eldest relative that was interviewed by my Mother's Paternal Family back in the early (1980s) which my Great-Grandma MARY had said she was related to a "Cherokee Chief Native American Indian," about "4 Generations" back from herself. So I jotted down the (Four Generations) back from my Maternal Great-Grandmother (MARY, 1896-1991) who was the daughter of (Charles, 1873-1945) & (Emma, 1866-1961) who would be "One Generation" back from (Mary) but I'm guessing that the possible "Cherokee Heritage" may come from Mary's Mother Emma's Side. Emma was the daughter of (William, 1806-1892) & (Susannah, 1807-1894) which would be the "Second Generation" back from (Mary), and Emma's Dad William was the son of (Conrad, 1771-1858) and (Catherine, 1772-1885) which would be the "Third Generation" back from (Mary), and Conrad was the son of (Johannes "Henry", 1720-1798) & (Maria, 1735-1798) which would be the "Fourth Generation" back from (Mary)., and Johannes "Henry" was the son of (Johannes "John", 1679-1758) & (Anna, 1700-1803) which would go back one more "Generation," to being the "Fifth Generation" back from (Mary). Both my dear Mother and I had been researching her Family Tree since the early (1980s) and later we belonged to our local "Genealogical Club," from (2004-2008) and during one of our "Genealogy Club Meetings," we had a "Native American Indian" Guest Speaker tell us all about "Native American Heritage." She said that some of the Genetic Traits passed down throughout families with known "Native American Ancestry," will have the following Genetic Traits: (1) Shoveled-Shaped Top Front Teeth; (2) Normally "Native American Indians" don't have body hair on their faces, arms, chest or legs; BUT, some will have a small patch mark of hair on their Backs; (3) Native American Indians usually have the "High Cheek Bones," (4) Native American People will normally have a longer second toe; and (5) Most "Native American Indians" will have lines on their palm of their hand in the shape of the letter (M). My Mother's father (Floyd) always called her his little "Squaw, because he said she looked like a "Native American Girl," with straight long dark hair, and my Mother also told me that she had a patch mark of hair on her back, and she also had the "Shoveled-shaped Front Teeth, and the second longer toe, too. And my Mother always wanted to do an "Ancestry DNA Home Kit," to see if she had any "Native American Indian Heritage" in her, but she sadly passed away in (2018). So my older "Half" Sister and I (who were both born in the mid "1960s") had both did an "Ancestry DNA Home Kit" together, back in (June of 2020), but neither of our "DNA Results" showed either of us having any "Native American DNA." But, like you said, "IF" we did have any "Cherokee or Shawnee or Opequon Native American Heritage," it's just too far back for our "Ancestry DNA" to pick up on it (since there's a "9 Generational" Gap, from my older sister and I to our Mother's Father's Maternal earliest Ancestors (Johannes "John", 1679-1758) & (Anna, 1700-1803), and each Generation's Genetic DNA/Traits percentages get lesser as each new Generation comes along. But, with my Mother living in (Cherokee, Shawnee & Opequon Native American Territory in Winchester, Frederick County, Virginia, and my Mother having several of the "Native American Genetic Traits," I'm pretty sure that her Paternal Grandma (Mary, 1896-1991) who lived to be (94) being 6 months shy of her (95th Birthday) probably had some truth to her "Cherokee Chief Indian" Story (because I've seen pictures of my Great-Grandmother Mary's Mother (Emma, 1866-1961) who lived to be (95) and Emma's Great-Great-Great-Grandmother (Anna, 1700-1803) lived to be over (100) and I've also heard that a lot of "Native American Indians," do tend to have "Longevity." So, though the "Home DNA Kit Tests" can only tell us so much about our Heritage/Ancestry, I know some day when I get to Heaven, I'll get to meet all my "Ancestors" that I've been researching all these years here on this Earth, and then I'll get to talk to them in person and find out all about my Ancestors Heritage and my Ancestral Roots... 🤗
This is the first time I've heard so many families claiming to have Cherokee ancestors...We have been told the same in our family for as long as I can remember, and I'm 62.
I m United keetoowah band of the Cherokee. I have researched my lineage and are full blood 's grand parents.. ggg-parents etc. My father.full blood.mother less than full..I am approx. 90% United Keetoowah band of Cherokee.. my first language is Cherokee ..didn't speak a word of English until I entered school..at 6 yrs..
I'm of Filipino descent mixed with Spanish and Chinese.I find this to be fascinating because a cousin began to claim we are descended from Ghengis Khan before ancestry DNA was a thing.We grew up together. We knew our Chinese grandparent who told us our family genealogy, which never included Ghengis Khan. I'm still trying to figure out who told him that. BUT whenever we are at family reunions, I make sure to squash the Khan thing because it makes our grandparent's story look stupid. We shouldn't embellish it to make it sound better.
It could be true ...there are over 16 million people alive today that are related to him...he certainly got about ...8% of the former Mongol region are related to him and 0.5 % globally
@@tamzinmenadue4887 I doubt it because even his siblings deny ever being told that we are descended from Ghengis Khan. And our other cousins deny it too. I think he read what you did about Ghengis Khan descendants and assumed he could add that to the family story to spice it up and make us more historically relevant. I can see it now...5 to 6 generations from now, someone will come up with "You know, I remember grandpa saying something that his grandma's father said we are Ghengis Khan's descendants" then go off the deep end reading about GK, buying GK posters, going to GK family reunions etc. SMDH. lol.
Sir, I would like to bring to your attention the Eastern Band of Cherokee, in Cherokee, NC. During the Yrail of Tears some Cherokee went to the Appalachian Mountains and hid to avoid removal. So there has been continuous People's living in this area since 1837. Additionally I like your information and am looking forward to more
I was always told by both my parents at younger age that we have Cherokee ancestry. I was able to build my family tree and trace my Cherokee relatives. Not only did i find Cherokee relatives, I found Monacan, and Seminole relatives as well. I am African-American, but my Scottish relatives intermarried with the Cherokees in the 1800's. Because they are on the rolls i am able to become a Cherokee citizen. My best advice is for everyone that believes and knows they have Cherokee ancestry to please build your family tree. Cherokee Nation does not ask for a specific blood quantum to be part of the Nation, just to provide proof you are related to an ancestor that is on the Dawes Rolls.
The funny thing with all this is nobody is willing to dig up those that were here and collect their dna to test it to those that exist today which always makes me think that it’s something they and I mean ✋ colored people don’t want known and them racist tribes who are really ✋ colored folks don’t want to be exposed! Now that’s some truth for your ass!
My family is one of the few honest ones where they told me straight up "all of your heritage is English, Scottish, and German, and largely from the colonial period", and lo and behold, my DNA test said just that. Honestly, I'm happy to know the ethnic identity I was brought up with was always correct, I feel bad for people from families that tell these myths. At the end of the day though, while my ancestors came from England, Scotland, and Germany, I was born and raised in America, and my heritage here is old enough, I'm an American, through and through.
My family is half guilty of this same scenario, after my son got tested we found out cherokee wasn't part of the results. His American Indian results showed Northwestern Shoshone and Aztec Indian. Goes to show that even your closest family members don't know.
DNA tests can’t show you what tribe you or your ancestor came from. Some can give you a region of the continent, but cannot tell you a specific tribe. So how do you mean?
I'm from Sylva 8 miles out of Cherokee. A lot of my relatives are buried in Cherokee . I was told I have a great great grandma who was full Cherokee. I wish I knew I am quite dark complected who knows
Interesting note: on the censuses for my family, my Native ancestors had white sounding names and claimed white on the censuses. If it weren’t for family photos, and meeting some of them I would have never known. Also interesting that my dad’s great grandfather was Creek and his DNA came back as 12.5% East Asian. I think there were just people who wanted to be left alone and not moved to a reservation.
I’m not aware of any member of my family who claims Cherokee ancestry. However as you mentioned, living in Appalachia, Southeast Kentucky more specifically, nearly anyone you talk to will tell nearly exactly what you said about a great or great-great grandma.
Glad you did this! I'm a "victim" of family lore that we're Creek. I even got two payments from the Department of the Interior! My ancestors (husband and wife) are on the Dawes rolls! I obtained a copy. Unpaid Creek land settlement was being divided between ancestors. Just fill out an app and provide the proof. When doing my genealogy several years ago, I learned I have zero native! I found nothing indicating anything other than Caucasian back many generations in the supposed Native line. I came across a site for Creek ancestry and learned there was a scam run by people wanting to cash in! Back then, the government was accepting signed statements from non-family members that they always knew the individual in question as native. I had already seen several statements like that elsewhere. I couldn't understand why they were written. I certainly found out! I was proud to think I had Creek ancestry, but I don't, and facts are facts. People need to get over it, lol. Out of respect, the least one can do is to correct the record. I'm extremely disappointed that I have ancestors who were that horrible! I don't feel bad as I had nothing to do with it. But I set the record straight with my relatives.
As an Indigenous person (Cahuilla/Luiseño/Assiniboine), it has been a source of amusement for those in my circle as well. It's ALWAYS a long lost matriarch too.
My DNA test says I'm 100% European, but while doing my family tree I've found 3 First Nation women who married with French settlers. It's really far back, so it doesn't show in my DNA, but they are still part of my ancestors. They have no name, only "Indian Wife" is written in the records. I know they were Mi'kmaq and that's it. Like you said, we feel it somewhere inside of us, when we really listen to our heart. The Vikings, the Celts, Rus, Franks, Gauls, English, Spanish, Scots, and Mi'kmaq. That's me.
I have 139 DNA matches to Shepahoomia "runningdeer" Julia Anne her is mother Chamoy Redwing and father is Pushmataha It's a hot highly debated topic in my family they were Choctaw not Cherokee but my ethnicity results say almost 60 % Scandinavian with a little German and such tossed in and also showing that I was 0 French or native American however almost all of my paternal side is well documented and highly Creole and French surname Saucier so yes the ethnicity test are very inaccurate
So you're proud of genetics that are so minute that they don't even show up in scientific tests? You feel it's part of your identity? Why? It sounds like twisted and misguided wishful thinking. If you found out that there was an african cannibal in your distant genetics, do you feel you're an african cannibal?
This is the case with my boyfriend, he's Brazilian comes out 100% European but his mom has 1-2% admixture from both Natives and Africans.. so his last native ancestor was probably from before the threshold which would identify that
I was told that I have ancestors from the Blackfoot and Cherokee tribes. I did an ancestry search and I couldn’t find any proof that the ancestors were native, who were supposed to be. I did find an ancestor from Cherokee County with a native sounding name but they weren’t listed as native. That ancestor may have been descended from the Cherokee but I can’t find any evidence proving that she was part of the tribe. The ancestor who was supposed to be 100% Blackfoot is my great grandfather. I have pictures of him. The family claims he was 100% Blackfoot and 7ft tall. From the research I have done, 7ft would have been above average height for a Blackfoot man. Some other things that lead me to believe that he wasn’t 100% is his last name being Miller and he was from Mississippi. I can’t find any verifiable information on his parents though. So it’s possible that his mom may have been 100% but his dad was a Miller. And it’s possible that his dad was 50%. But looking at the pictures I have of him, he doesn’t look white. While researching this subject I have found 2 things that could be a possibility. 1, he was given a new last name when he entered the military. 2, he was a descendent of a slave and he decided to say he was native instead of being mixed with black. Being a black man in the early 1900s, in Mississippi probably wasn’t a good thing. All of his children described him as the meanest person they ever met and they said he had a reputation for being mean as hell. So everyone called him Billy Hell. My grandmother was happy to see him die. Now to a weird find that I discovered on my own while doing the ancestry search. On my biological father’s side of the family I found a grandmother who wasn’t white. I verified her as an ancestor and she is buried in the cemetery where all my relatives were buried until my biological father. I was able to get a picture of her. On paper she was written as white but in the picture she is clearly not. The issue I have with this is most of my ancestors on that side of the family didn’t like black people during the time period when she married into the family. I’ve actually found papers signed by some of those ancestors saying how they felt about black people. My biological father hated black people. I’m not saying she is black but she looks like a light skinned black woman to me. Maybe she is something else entirely but it puzzles me. One thing I do know for sure is I’m white lol. Edit: I think it’s funny how you covered most of the topics I talked about in my comment 😂.
This is the same exact story that was passed down from my mother's side of the family. My Grandmother from North Carolina told me this story of her Great, Great Grandmother being a Cherokee Princess. ...The funny thing is, that my Grandfather is the one who was darker skinned with dark hair. So who knows. If it ain't true then I ain't gonna cry. YAH made me. Truth is is freeing regardless. At the end of the day. I know blood family who just don't get along anyway. I've learned it's the Spirit of who we are that drives us.
“Better to be Indian than to be black” I think that’s the most honest statement I’ve heard! I too have Native American heritage stories, but I may be the select few that actually has that dna. My grandfather was born in Oklahoma (Choctaw territory) and claimed he was Choctaw. My grandma also claimed native ancestry and they were both obviously mixed ancestry. But who’s to say the story was actually true. Might’ve just been black and white 😂
I was told as a child that we had native ancestry but one side never said what tribe and the other side said Apache. It will be interesting to see what comes of it. The Cherokee princess thing always makes me chuckle 😂.
Our family myth was that one of my great-grandfathers was Chickasaw. However, this was only believed by half the family, the other half (including my grandma, whose father he was) held that he was French-Canadian. I've never had my DNA analyzed, but my niece has and there was no indication of any indigenous ancestry at all. I'm only glad my father never found out, he was a big supporter of the myth.
It might not be a myth. It all depends on what company did the test and what database they use. My mother did a DNA test and between 5-7% of her results had no match in their database. That just means there is not enough information to identify its origins, so it is possible you do have a Chickasaw ancestor but they don't have enough confirmed samples to make a positive match.
NOTICE: If you make a comment about $5 Indians or how black people are the true indigenous people of the Western Hemisphere, and those that we have been told were Native Americans are actually invaders, or how we and others need to “educate ourselves” and or “stop the lies”, your comment will be instantly deleted. We are all about free speech here, but those topics have NOTHING to do with this video. The amount of trolls that have commented these things is mind boggling.
Explain what DNA noise is please.
@@reefreef1866 Anything that shows up at 2% or less may or may not be correct. If you have more than 2% of something it is highly likely legitimate, less than 2% it is speculative. Unfortunately it isn’t a perfect science yet.
Not that mind-boggling though and the simply think so means you're incredibly naive and RUclips isn't the place for you
Lmao free speech as long as black people don’t say anything historically accurate and hurtful to a group that literally enslaved us but your censoring black people who are speaking up. I love how you can’t deny any of the claims you just delete them like your ancestors deleted our history. But it’s ok the cats already out the bag brother.
Amen. No one wants to tell the truth abt any of it. This is why when they found an ancient skull the Smithsonian took it because it was not an Indian skull. They were not the first inhabitants. Europeans during that era (that came here) were rapist, disease carrying murderers). These so called marriages were not a kind little trade. Many of the Indian woman were raped and kidnapped. Maybe a tiny percentage were traded. The descendants of these Europeans are the ones that want to say that there darned minds and pawpaw were Indians. If they only knew.
An infamous RUclipsr used to brag all of the time that her husband's great grandfather was Cherokee. Turn out that her husband's great grandfather was raised in Cherokee County. He was born in Scandinavia and of 100% Scandinavian descent. It is interesting how the story morphed over the generations.
Wow! Yes that is quite a bit different but an example of what happens so often.
Which one?
Bc they thought the lies would never be revealed 🚨‼️
@@LonokeCountyResearch501 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Cherokee are matrilineal.
My family had this same type of myth; we were supposed to be Cherokee and German. Turns out we're descended from Irish horse thieves and Boston thugs. Maybe 10 yrs ago my brother got on a kick and went to Salt Lake City and then London, and then Dublin. He got all the documentation and reading it was a real hoot.
Interesting
Dang Kendo, hell of a story, that took a U turn quickly.
My Sister in law swore she was 100% Irish, got married 17th March, her Birthday is the 15th of March, on and on. When 23 and me became "the thing" she did. Her results are 88% British, and a hodge lodge of smaller percentages, never in that detail as yours.
Still my Sister in Law,Wife to my Brother, Mother to my nephews and nieces, Aunt to my kids. our current migration patterns? We call it Vacations now, we are set in Texas for goooooooooooooooood.
@@jesuscorrea5513 23&Me has the category British & Irish. They aren't separated. 88% British & Irish is a high amount so she most likely has a lot of Irish ancestry.
Also, Some white people claimed to be Cherokee so they could get land in Oklahoma.
@@jackieblue1267 AncestryDNA differentiates between Irish, Scottish, Welsh and English.
For many years we had a family story that we were "part Indian." Some ancient ancestor had married .... (DRUM ROLL) ... an Indian Princess... My elder sister was so enthralled by this myth that she went off to college to study American Indians because she wanted to "learn about our people."
A year or so after she went off to college my mother's father came to live with us (he had spent the last 10 years or so living in England). He was the family genealogist. My sister comes home from college for Chritmas. Grandpa is sitting in a comfy chair when she comes into the house. He says, "Well, J****e, I understand you are going to college out in New Mexico."
She says, "Yes, Grandpa, I am studying American Indians and they have the best school."
Grandpa says, "How interesting. Why are you studying American Indians?"
She says, "Oh, YOU KNOW."
He says, "I don't know... please explain it to me."
She says, "I want to learn about our people."
He says, "What people are those?"
She says, "The Indian Princess... Mom has always said we're part Indian."
He starts to laugh, "Oh, THAT old canard... No Dear, we are NOT part Indian. We DO have some very distant cousin who was a trapper in the 1700's and he shacked up with an Indian woman (not a Princess). But there is no evidence of any children from that arrangement... and if there were we are NOT in that line." (This would have been in the New England area.)
My sister is dumbfounded... she'd just spent 3 semesters studying American Indians.
My grandfather says, "You know, you could change your major to Criminal Justice."
She says, "Why would I do that?"
Grandpa guffaws loudly and says, "So you can learn about our people."
Sister does a burnout -- steam coming out of every facial hole... and screams at him, "That's NOT funny."
BUT all of us listening thought it was.
Wow that’s a great story!
Your grandfather is a hoot!
Is your sister Elizabeth Warren by any chance?
@@manitoumimi That doesn't even make any sense. Are you mentally deficient? Vaping too much? I feel sorry for stupid people, good luck to you.
Hating on wypipo is fun right now, but in the future, people are going to want to act on that perceived threat.
I'm just a United States Citizen, I'm a 9th generation Brit (Celtic Anglo-Saxon Norman) no Native American I take great pride in who I am Scots Irish English Welsh German and Dutch.
I assure you a lot of them will tell you off you go and just embrace your American culture😂
@@azborderlands They can all tell me off I don't care. I cannot claim to be Cherokee like others do when they are not.
My family spread this rumor about being part Cherokee also. It wasn't until I put my son up for adoption that I found out the truth. It's relevant because certain laws protect Natives from adoption by non-Natives. I brought up this rumor and it really complicated the whole adoption process. It turned out that my half sister is part Nanticoke but since we have different fathers I'm 0% Native. The truth finally came out.
Put your son up for adoption???
@@morenamad9182 Yes.
It's hard to give up a child but better than aborting it. They have a chance of having a good life. They may never understand that but good for you. I speak from experience.
@@DreamingDarlin 100% agree.
I am adopted and was thrilled to be able to track and record my adoptive family history on ancestry, as I am the last one with all of the stories, and they were the family I'd known and loved. Both can be tracked on your tree.
All of my life, seven decades, my mom's side of the family told us kids the story that we had "Mohawk Blood" in our veins. It was a fun story as kids, but we honestly did not deep down believe it knowing we were of northern European known heritage. A few years ago I built a family tree extending to the 1500's to 1600's in early upstate New York, relying on a thorough investigation of identifiable and verifiable documentation. To my surprise and amazement I traced and confirmed that in fact our family tree on my mom's side is in fact direct descendants of one Mohawk woman and a Dutch fur trader from Holland documented to the early 1600's, their children lived between the Mohawk and Dutch settlements. I guess that family myth was more than a myth. But we have no Cherokee in our tree, LOL.
Lol 😂
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I have an ancestor that matches this exact same story.
and some Mohawks were already Catholic, they'd raid a settler kidnap the kids and raise them Catholic, go figger.
Same here. I was born and raised in the Appalachian Mountains of Virginia. All my life I was told about our Cherokee grandmother. That “Cherokee “ grandmother’s” bloodline goes straight to England 😁.
Haha, straight to England. Such a common thing, especially for Appalachia. I’m glad you did your research and found the truth!
Same here. 💙
My Dad was born in Keokee.
@@doridailey4932 yup. I was born in Kellyview.
Them dna test are worthless you say that you are trying to speak the truth of ancestry but yet you are pushing these dna test who states on the box that these test can not and I mean can not tell anyone where they are from! You speak some truth but it is also mixed with some BS! Also there are tribes that were completely wiped out that again nobody wants to allow these people dna 🧬 to be collected so for once and for all to be to put to rest and the only time that one is accepted as native is if they are mixed with ✋ colored people but is they were mixed with so-called black people then they are not accepted this is the evil of those people I have zero respect for any they are all just as racist as any other racial group against black peoples so to hell with all of them! REPARATIONS HAS TO PAID TO NATIVE BORN BLACK AMERICANS BY ANY MEANS!
😂 mine 2.
I really appreciate you breaking this down. After hearing it from people a thousand times before, I heard someone say it again today and decided to do a little research as to why so many people say/believe this. This definitely proved my suspicions correct.
I joined the Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma. They only accept Cherokees into their nation. My sister researched our ancestors at an Indian Law Library in New Mexico and found that we had 17 ancestors who walked the Trail of Tears.
Wow 😳 amazing
I was enrolled in 1997.
The Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma (CNO) only accepts applicants who can prove, through reliable genealogic research and previous Government records, that one is descended from one or more ancestors who were enrolled on the 'Dawes List' (Final Rolls of the Five Civilized Tribes) that was compiled in 1907 by Henry Dawes as 'Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes'.
My paternal Grandmother was enrolled in 1900, having been born in 'Indian Territory', 1899. Her ancestors show up on several previous Government rolls including her grandmother on the Chapman Rolls of 1851 at Lumpkin County, Georgia. Additional research shows direct lineage to Moytoy, George Parris... .
Enrollment procedures of the Eastern Band (ECBI) and United Keetoowah (UKB) are different.
Same also have eastern Cherokee in my blood even have a certificate of one of my ancestors that was sold to a white man as a very young woman…(if you could call her that at the age she was) that he ended up “marrying”
Its funny, I've been reading about this subject for a few months, over this time I've ran into 3 diff people on FB who claimed their grandfather or some other close relative was full blooded Cherokee, I simply ask them if they're on the Rolls, not one has said yes! I grew up in Oklahoma, so I'm very familial with Native Americans
@@OzZy-13820 Prior to Andrew Jackson's 'removal policy', the TsaLaGi (Cherokee) were one.
The east - west 'split' occurred in 1835 when prominent leaders Major Ridge and John Ridge accepted and signed a treaty at the home of Elias Boudinot which agreed, on behalf of all Cherokees, to relocate to what would become Oklahoma.
The majority of Cherokees, led by John Ross, strongly disagreed with the decision which made life rough for those who stayed in the homelands which led directly to forced removal.
Resentment by the 'Ross Faction' of the 'Ridge Faction' was so strong that on June 22, 1839, Blood Law was carried out by some survivors of the 'Trail of Tears' who killed the Ridges and Boudinot.
Bitterness over the divide lasted for generations yet is now largely forgotten in the spirit of _GaDuGi._
I was told the same thing growing up, in that I had Native American and Scottish. Did a DNA test and I am like 80% German and 20% English/ Irish. Honestly I think that particular story cam from my great grandma on my mom’s dad’s side, she was born in the year 1900, and grew up in an orphanage. The last name she was given there was Smith, so I think she created a heritage.
My late mom made it a point to tell me and my brothers that she was part Cherokee. I and my brother took DNA tests at the same time, and my mom's sister as well. No sign of Native American DNA in any of them. I think it's just a romantic notion that some are more susceptible to strongly wanting to be true.
Or they just don't have the algorithms to test for it. The DNA kits are foolproof and you can send in DNA to all the different companies and get different results from each. As far as I'm concerned until they get it down pat, it's a scam.
If you used like 23and me or any other over -the -counter DNA test, it will not show any Native American. You would need to go the the Cherokee Tribal Council to request to have a DNA test.
Jessica Biel told everyone she had Native blood in her family. And she did a DNA test on a TV show, can't remember which one, and cane out 0% native American. Haha
You using DNA test is the 1st mistake that's for entertainment purposes only stupid, just do real research a d you would know that smh
@@elizabethhuie563 The Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma (CNO) does not accept DNA 'evidence' as proof of heritage.
We started to have our doubts after being told all our lives we had a full blood Cherokee “great great grandmother”, without any proof. We are several generations back Oklahomans. My dad finally did the DNA test and found out “Young Tassel”, a Cherokee war chief, is his 5th great grandfather. Not exactly the story we were told, but the tribe was right. Even better, he was fairly well known so we were able to read up on his very interesting life. Very cool.
How did you learn that your 5th great-grandfather was Cherokee from taking a DNA test?
That still would leave him with ZERO native blood.🤷
@@familytreenutshistorygenealogyGood catch.🤣🤣🤣
@@afonphoenix16 Approximately & Statistically 0.78%. 99.22% something else.
@@familytreenutshistorygenealogy Wouldn't that still be considered "genetically insignificant" at that point? Like it may as well be zero?
Thank you for explaining something in minutes that I spent several years trying to prove or disprove. My mother always claimed her mother was the granddaughter of a Cherokee chief. I went through the Indian Rolls and found nothing of the sort. Found a Mormon missionary who spent time among the Cherokee and was made an honorary member of the tribe.
@Francis Williams, Aren't the Mormons the holders of all genealogical websites and records?
@@goodmeasure777 the information held by the Mormons is that from common people doing research, so even it is not necessarily correct. I have found my ancestors mixed up with other families and I know it is incorrect. I thought the LDS records were fact checked and the gold standard, but sadly, they aren't.
@@heatherfitzgibbon It depends on what you mean by "the information". If you mean the family trees, yes, those are crowd-sourced and contain errors (which you can fix!). But they are by far the best source for finding primary sources, which every genealogist should do. Verify verify verify!
Mormons lie!
Just the description is so funny to me, because that's my family almost exactly lol. My mom and aunt both swear their great grandma, my great great grandma was Cherokee. However, in doing just a little research myself on a popular genealogy site, I discovered that no one was. When I told my mom, she got mad and told me it was wrong lol. Love the channel!
Yes sir, it is SO common. In this video I explain is very easy to understand detail why it isn’t true and the different reasons the myth comes from. I’ve wanted to make this video for years but didn’t want to rock the boat, but now is the time.
We’re the opposite. Prior generations have shame about being Cherokee and owning slaves
@@dianethulin1700 I have problems as well identifying the people that are Native American in my tree. Because 'back in the day' it wasn't anything people wanted to talk about, and for some ungodly reason they were ashamed of their native ancestry. It's funny how much some things have changed (the pride of native ancestry, be it real or imagined) and how the government still is working to suppress the native people.... boggles the mind if you think of it all.
@@skyyyrose We married Native Americans from the beginning of landing here. The ones who survived have always mixed. I have seen some of them referred to as half breeds in books. We have some sachems here and there. I’m surprised that more people don’t know about the Iroquoi Confederacy
Remember in these genaology research companies are in the business to make money.
DNA ...
I have no 1st Nation blood in me, but I married into a Lakota family. They accepted me as one of their own and I loved them. They have all passed on now, but I still feel kindred to my husband's tribe!💔
Give it a break! You people well post anything just to get air time!!!!!
Are you sure
Really now.....
As you Should Queen !!!!😊
Why is everyone so mean about this?
thx for your video,im full blood native and one of my 1st cousins is Cherokee from Cherokee NC,it’s not easy being Indin highest suicide rate and type 2 diabetes on the planet,native men have 2nd lowest life expectancy in the Americas behind Haiti,510x more likely to die from an alcohol related death,meth and fentanyl deaths 4x the national average,unemployment,racism poverty disease etc etc.. but I would not want to be any one else for any amount of money that’s how much pride in my native bloodline.
This was an excellent video. We were always told that we were of Scot-Irish and Cherokee descent. I did a brief search years back and Idid discover my Grandmother and her siblings listed on the Dawes Indian rolls.They lived in the Oklahoma Indian territory prior to OK statehood, and before that in Appalachia. One of the family stories is that our grandfather lived on the reservation in OK, but I never knew how to verify this.Regardless of whether I ever had a Cherokee ancestor or not, I have tremendous respect for their history and what they suffered on the Trail of tears.
Your Grandmother's presence on 'Dawes' makes you eligible for enrollment in the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma, and it is a rather straightforward process.
Gather current, state certified, birth and death records of your Grandmother, relevant parent, and self, then contact the CNO Tribal Registrar to enroll.
I have a similar story but I have yet to apply for a card even though I could
I’m 57 years old and I heard all my life from my dad and mom’s family that we had Cherokee descendants. Even had my Oklahoma distant relatives tell me I looked Indian because of my high cheekbones which I do have, but I’m white as a ghost. I wanted to find out so I did a DNA test. The biggest surprise I got was that out of all my English blood I had a little bit of Norwegian. Not one ounce of Cherokee. I laughed my head off! Especially when I found out one of my grandma’s lived in Cherokee Texas. My husband and children tease me all the time if a subject about American Indians come up.
Some body had those tests and each was different results.
DNA cannot delineate a specific tribal relationship. Only Indigenous North American, or South American. Tribal affiliation is not possible with a basic DNA test.
My father always said that he was very well aware that Dukes don't frequently emigrate, but he was always proud of our Cherokee ancestor. Unfortunately, she failed to show up in DNA samples. As a result, he had two more family members tested. It was very difficult for him to give up his Indian...
Dukes? My great grandfather was a Duke.
@@michelewood925 Duke of???
My family constantly said..it's all because of the Cherokee on my dad's side. I got the DNA testing when it became available and oh, nope. None.
My mom's side of the family were in utter disbelief.
It was a shock, but DNA..isn't showing it.
My aunt insisted that the DNA tests were wrong. Too crazy.
Put up your dukes
@@code-52 The duke of earl.
A small correction, the Cherokees were not known as "the civilized tribe" but in fact are one of the "five civilized tribes." There is a "five civilized tribes" museum in Muskogee, OK if you are interested.
But not all are “Federally recognized” if I remember correctly there’s only 2 originally
@@CallSignWhiplash There are three federally recognized Cherokee entities; CNO (Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma), EBCI (Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians), UKB (United Keetoowah Band).
The 'Five Civilized Tribes' were Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Seminole, and Creek, all of which are Federally recognized.
True
The five tribes museum in Muskogee is relative to the Five civilized tribes, which were Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Seminole, and Creek. I think this was mostly due to the closer relationships these tribes had with Euro settlers, and that they were not nomadic in nature, but had villages, trade relations, and tribal governments.
@@garlandreese950 There is so much more to it. Please do continue your research as the history of the Tsalagi ('Cherokee') is deep and very closely intertwined with that of the early United States.
In my family, it wasn't a Cherokee princess, but a chief lol. I was actually floored to discover that it was actually true. Chief William Hicks. ❤
My great grandfather was the last chief of the Tsimshian tribe before a catholic priest immigrated us from British Columbia. But mine is documented and he's in a book with photos. I can honestly claim Indian princess status. 😄 They laugh at the idea of Indian 'royalty' but royal blood is royal blood. Plus, there are a lot of descendants. SOMEONE has to be real. 😄
@@the_original_public_newsense a lot of false claims lol everyone wants to be cherokee until it's time to be a cherokee and don't realize cherokee is originally part of the creek nation's and also cherokee meant people of different speech meaning they had two different languages...this is the most americanized tribe in all of America 97% percent of you claim it lol and know damn well your people the ones came in by boat
@@shaudmarley4029 I have the documents. I'm 45% Irish, 42% North American Indian. I just say I'm half and half cuz the rest is like 1% this and 2% that. I know my people well and they're more NA than the gov't says cuz our ancestors were forced to claim less quantum than is true. So they did. Bureau of Indian Affairs will never allow it to be corrected. My people didn't come in by boat. They came down from British Columbia. We are Tsimshian.
Elizabeth Warren is living proof that Indians screwed buffalo.
@@the_original_public_newsense Yeeah, don't do the whole indian princess thing. Just be indigenous and hold the cringe. Chi miigwech.
My grandma was 1/2 or 1/4 Native. I can't remember I never knew her she abandoned my dad and died long before I was ever born. But when my dads family tracked him down and got a hold of him I remember going to meet them on the Flathead reservation where she was born. It was definitely interesting learning that I had distant Native American ancestors and that my grandma had even been born on an Indian reservation. And sometimes it still is bizarre to me knowing that either my Great or great great grandmother would have been a full blooded native. Not that there's much of it left in me, nor do I consider myself a Native over being a white person as the vast majority of my genetic makeup is northwestern European; but it was still something that was fascinating for me to learn and a part of my heritage that I think is neat to be rooted to.
Doubt
You're not native American so stfu
Cherokee is the most mentioned Tribe that people claim ancestry too. I think the reason is they cannot think of another Tribe unless it's the Apache. You never hear people claiming ancestry to the Mandan, or the Ponca, or Huron.
Everybody has a great grandmother who was Cherokee. When I hear it, I just think it's funny.
By the way, no Native Blood, I'm Scottish.
Tons to be proud of with our Scottish ancestors. We talk about why so many say Cherokee in this video.
Native is foreign to this land. they are not indigenous to this land. They were immigrated here to replace the true people of this land. the so called black folks who were already here thriving before being invaded by the people in control now. You are all immigrants/foreigners squatters.
Probably as they were one of the largest and well-known.
I’m part Cherokee (from Panther clan) along with being part Creek. One point of interest that you failed to mention was that for the most part, only certain Cherokee clans adopted people into their clans. I believe it’s the Hair clan that adopted the most “strangers.”
As a matrilineal tribe, most women held property. Not the men. And when they were encouraged to marry White settlers, many did- but not simply because they wanted a white husband to go out and hunt or to get white mens tools. It was because the Native women gained more rights with white men to fight for them against the English/American gov’t. They also got slightly better treatment, and later into the 1800’s they married because they foresaw the ill treatment they were going to go through.. and didn’t have to walk the Trail of Tears.
The white men that married Cherokee woman gained quite a lot. Property, knowledge of the land and animals, herbal medicines, and a companion that had the protection of the clan/tribe.
As for there not being “Indian princesses,” yes, correct. But there were high ranking women as they were closely related to the Chiefs. There were also women chiefs included in the war cabinets. We’ve just Anglicized it because we don’t have a word for such a high ranking woman. So princess it became.
My great aunt traveled all over America tracing our heritage.
She said that my great grandmother was a full Cherokee.
I lost touch with my aunt and never looked into it.
We came from Oklahoma, so I thought it's possible.
A couple of years ago I took a DNA test and found that I have 200,% British Isles ancestry.
So much for being part Cherokee, but at least we never claimed our ancestor was a princess.
Thank you for this one. I am a genealogist, and I unfortunately hear this all the time, which makes it hard to tell them facts don't prove it.
Yeah it’s annoying, as a indigenous person my self ,
My mom's family had this same story and growing up with it I beleived it so I wanted proof and went digging did DNA tests and lots of research found my actual ancestors and learned it was all a story. Apologized to people for repeating that story when I was younger having not known it was a lie and my aunts and uncles flipped the heck out on me for finding the truth accused me of "betraying " the family. 🤔🤦🏻♀️
Lol, my mom said the same, and pointed to a picture of a very white grandma saying she was full blood. Even as a child I knew she had nothing within her that was mildly native. 😂 My mom was a known pathological liar and even lied about her name and birthdate lol😂.
My aunt even had her entire house decorated in a native American theme. She believed it too, seems their grandma lied to them all! Glad I never had to meet most of them until my 20s.
Seems I relate to indigenous beliefs, if you're able to sift through the numerous lies that are spread as fact.
I've always wondered if natives and mexicans are of the same ethnicity but variations in cultures due to the variations of their environment.
@dawncawthra3519 "Mexicans"? Armies from Spain killed the Native American tribes and started the nation of Mexico. Some Native American women had babies with Spanish soldiers, so some Mexicans are mixed race. Most Mexicans are Spanish, descended from Spanish ladies and their Spanish husbands who were immigrants from Spain, which is in Europe.
Thank you for being a good neighbor and a good relative!
@@dawncawthra3519The indigenous people of the US and Mexico are Native American, some of their tribes even cross the border. Many Mexicans are mixed with Spanish, that’s why they speak Spanish. In 1519 The Spanish conquistador led an expedition to present-day Mexico. Although the Spanish forces numbered some 500 men, they managed to capture Aztec Emperor Montezuma II.
My maternal Grandmother used to speak of a great grandmother that was some portion Cherokee. She was mad & insisted the DNA test my Mom got was wrong because it said zero Cherokee but, did indicate a very small percentage (less than 1%) from West Africa. We suspect there was a great granny that claimed Cherokee heritage in order to conceal her slave roots. Ironically, my Dad’s DNA did confirm Native American ancestry.
I'm Cherokee and people mistaken me for asian ALL THE TIME! They have even made racial slurs toward me then I correct them.
My grandmother went through the same thing. She told me in school they her a “Black Jap” because she was tanned and looked Japanese.
Same
"stop saying Asian slurs towards me. You should be using Cherokee slurs instead" 😅jk
More like a Cherocunt
Is it from black people?
My mom , who is half Cherokee , used to get so angry at the "princesses" but now she just laughs in their faces lol.
That’s a good attitude to have now but wish so many wouldn’t tell her that.
You're mom is not half cherokee. Just stop. The rest of us real natives are really getting quite sick of hearing it.
@@jcabram6642 Hahaha believe what you want to believe but being born on the reservation tells a different story.
I have been fighting this for years, both sides of the family. My mom has chosen to not believe in DNA rather than admit it.
My mother in law has decided she as secretly adopted because she has no Cherokee in her dna test 😂😂😂 she is so convinced she is part Cherokee (she’s Lilly white with fair skin) she refuses to believe she isn’t no matter the evidence to the contrary
DNA tests aren’t a reliable source, especially since the testing is regarded to be in its infancy still. So I see no issues with not believing it.
You’re not guaranteed to inherit any specific part of dna from your ancestors. It doesn’t disprove your genealogy. And due to that population mixing for eons prior to this technology some ethnic groups are harder to pinpoint than others.
LOL, you too? I'm in that fight with ya brother.
A native channel says that ancestry researchers do not include southern and eastern natives in their considerations, thats why it’s not showing up for a lot of people.
@@284Winchester know many native people who are blond haired and blue eyed. They would be 50% native / 50% white. Also, when I lived in Inuvik, there were twins there...one looked full Inuit, one was blond haired and blue eyed. Genetics are a funny thing.
(I'm not saying your mom is native, just commenting on how you can't assume by looks)
We grew up with those Cherokee stories too, but it wasn't showing up in anyone's DNA tests so we started thinking it wasn't true. But then my cousin did a deep genealogy search of our shared grandmother and traced her all the way back to a Cherokee AND a Catawba in the 1600's. That was a pleasant surprise. And then, weirdly, one of MY grand-daughters did DNA testing and it came back with some Native American. We assumed it must have come from her father's side, but his family is adamant that they are 100% Scandinavian and European. Sooo...she's a throwback???
Yes if it’s back that far, it likely won’t show. Also, if you don’t have any, and your children do, it has to be coming from their fathers side or if he doesn’t have any, then it would be error. Can’t get something from nothing, lol. 😀
@@familytreenutshistorygenealogy It isn't reassuring that they can make that kind of an error. LOL My ex has never been tested, maybe I'll spring for a test and try to talk him into giving a sample just to see what shows up. We already know he's descended from a member of the Jesse James gang. Who knows what else we'll find. LOL
The problem with DNA testing centers is their databases are very limited and thy don't share with eachother. 23 and me for example, has a very small native database for comparisons. GED match is where you want to look. 23 and me told me I am 100 percent European. When compared to actual native databases, I show Shawnee Ancestry. Matches my family tree from 7th to 9th generation grandparents. Hokolesqua bloodline!
What percentage of Indian was she?
@@hahafalseflag5090 I don't remember the exact number but it was less than 20%.
Thank you for this detailed and well explained issue. There are a lot of dynamics behind this, especially since there are sometimes exceptions. I have always known my ancestry, and the family photographs prove it. One of the areas that confuses the issue is the registry of Cherokees, assuming that the records going back to 1835 when The Cherokee Nation was ordered out of the states they previously occupied and were made to relocate to Oklahoma, formerly referred to as "Indian Territory." Many died on the way. Others refused to go to Oklahoma and wondered off, ending up in other states. This was the case of my mother's Great Grandfather who came from Tennessee and went north into Ohio. He changed his name so that he would not be traced and refused to sign the registry as a Cherokee. In our research, we discovered that he changed his name and left the migration was because he had killed a man and his wife and was escaping the authorities. He went north into Ohio and joined a settlement group made up of freed Blacks, largely mulattoes, and European Endentured Servants who continued north into central Michigan following the logging boom, and transformed the cut-over White Pine land into agricultural.
You bring up an interesting divisional breakdown of racial and ethnic content that underscores the key issue here. In my particular case, my parents seemed to share the same make up of mixed ancestry, tri-racial which was passed on to me. The Native American traits were common in our family, but it did not identify with the Cherokees since they were removed and did not maintain a tribal affiliation. So as far as the skin tone issue for some Black Americans with Native features, in my experience it was the other way around. I asked my father since he displayed such obvious Native American features why we chose to associated with Black people, specially fair skinned Mulattoes and not claim to be "Indians." To this my father answered because at the time, to be an "Indian" was considered to be nothing." And it wasn't until 1925 that Native Americans were considered Citizens of the United States, four years after my father was born.
Just married to a "Cherokee princess" and had to watch. She had heard the story of the Cherokee ancestry before her father's family migrated to California. She was uncertain it was true.
But she decided to take a DNA test and sure enough, there it was. It was also a higher than expected but that's another story common in eastern Tennessee and Kentucky. 😁
So the story seems to check out (except the princess part, of course. But she's my Queen).
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I love this video. Thank you for explaining this popular belief. I am 55 years old. My dad's brothers and sisters have said that my great grandmother Nancy Belle Windsor Hazelwood was 1/2 Cherokee, like most people in my area. She was raised in the Sand Mountain area of North Alabama in the 1880's and her ancestors escaped the trail of tears and married into my family. It all made since. In her pics, she has high cheek bones and they remember her having beautiful olive colored skin. It all matches up with what you said. I have done the DNA testing and, of course, nothing shows up. I am 92% English and 8% Scandinavian. I have researched our genealogy and found no connection to native Americans. Like you said, there probably was a Cherokee ancestor in there back in the 1600's-1700's because they came from Georgia and before that, North Carolina. So, I may really be 0.05%-0.075% Cherokee. It's SO funny how everything you said is what I have been told and my dad's siblings are adamant about it. They would not like your video 😂. But, I loved it. I love the truth, even if it proves my beliefs wrong. Thank you.
Do geneaolgy, you cannot use a dna test to tract migración/living patterns. You use records
Please stop with the high cheek bone thing. Look at portraits that preempt Europeans in North America. Some had high cheek bones , some did not. ALL natives did not have high cheekbones or other perceived “native” features. We did not and do not all look like the representation on the nickel or cigar store carving. We have varying complexions, facial features, etc distinct to our tribe. It is offensive that we are seen as just a bunch of Indians.
@@wanderingstar5673 you're probably not even Native American, you're probably a white liberal constantly looking for reasons to be offended. I get offended by many things I see. You know what I do? I just keep scrolling and chalk it up to tolerance. I don't go around trying to prove that I am somehow morally superior to others. We are all sinners. My hope for you is that you find peace in life and maybe lighten up a bit. God Bless.
@@nathaniel-dm7ii Bingo.
@@wanderingstar5673doesn't this video itself prove that you're not seen as "just a bunch of indians?"
I heard this same story (not always Cherokee though) from many people, including my own family, when I was growing up; so it’s interesting to hear that it is so widespread. At some point, I started crunching numbers in my head and realized something was off about it. I paid some attention in school, so I knew that the Indians were forced to leave in the 1830s. I started wondering how so many Indians all over the South must have escaped the forced migration west to have stayed in so many family trees. In the South today, outside of a handful of places and excluding those immigrants from south of the border,, you don’t see many people who are recognizably Native American, but for so many people today to have a grandparent or great grandparent that was full Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Creek, etc., there should still be people all over the place who look a lot more like Indians. There should also be a lot more intermingling of those who are obviously Indian with whites and blacks, but I never saw this. I came to believe that this thing about much of the southern population having significant amounts of native ancestry was highly unlikely. This was one more reason why I lost interest in identity that is based on certain people, groups, or places other than the people I know personally and the places where my own body spends it’s time on earth. I still find stuff about History and ancestry interesting, but I don’t feel a need to know my exact place in it all.
What I was told was that some Cherokee refused to leave. They cut their hair short, wore white men's clothes, and told the rednecks they were "Black Dutch". I remember seeing an ancient black and white photo of some great-great aunt or somebody that was one of these people. She was decidedly dark-complected. The rest of us are as Irish as fish for breakfast. Pale and freckly, with many a weird red beard.
How much cheyenne blood i have i don't know but i do get indian money from the tribe as in oil rites passed down to me.
@@BrutishYetDelightful Others just married into the white families and stayed there.
That's what happened with the one line in my family that was here before the late 1800's...that part of the family was interesting to find out about.
For most of us, who were not raised Native American, any native heritage is too far back to matter. My great great grandmother was supposedly rescued from the Trail of Tears and ended up living in Arkansas. Many people were either rescued or left behind on the Trail of Tears and none can be verified. If you escaped from a forced march, would you tell anyone about it? My great grand mother was the only living person I could ask about it and I was too young to know.
What I did ask her about was the rumor that we were related to Jessie James. Her reply was, " Well, it's true. But I don't claim him!" Years later, I had the opportunty to do geneology research and did find that my great grandmother was related to some of the Dawsons, who were cousins to Jessie and part of his gang in some of the robberies.
Think about it. We think he was some kind of Robin Hood. In reality, all we know is that he robbed banks and killed a lot of people. These are some of the reasons that family heritage gets shrouded in mystery.
I prefer my own family memories. I remember my great grandmother's log cabin in th back woods of Arkansas with it's big feather bed and a fireplace. It had pump in the back yard where she did laundry. My brothers were still young enough to take a bath in that big wash tub. To me, it was a fun adventure.
Lies. Never happened. No Cherokee were rescued from the Tot nor did they live in Arkansas
Nice stories. Thanks for sharing.
My mom’s family history is similar. There is more than Cherokee in our family. But they hid in Louisiana due the Indian removal act. You can see it in my grandparents and their siblings. Randomly in my mom’s generation and only the males in my generation lol.
The mention of the Hebrews is pertinent because many Native Americans, historically and presently, claim descent from the ten tribes of Israel and they receive similar treatment to those who assert Cherokee ancestry.
Here's how the term "Habiru" may have evolved into "Hebrew."
Haviru - A simple vowel change, indicative of common phonetic evolution.
Hapiru - An alternate spelling documented in ancient texts.
Habiri - A minor alteration, likely influenced by regional dialects.
Habri - The omission of the vowel 'i', known as syncope.
Habir - An additional reduction by removing the final vowel.
'Ibri - The initial 'H' is lost, and an initial vowel is added, as can happen in language shifts.
Ibri - The standardization of the initial apostrophe that indicates a glottal stop.
Ivri - A consonant transition from 'b' to 'v', a typical occurrence in linguistic evolution.
Hebrew - The ultimate English form of the word.
The term 'Hapiru' bears resemblance to 'Hapi,' one of the sons of Horus, and is also associated with the Hapiru tribe of Babylon, known alternatively as 'Habiru.' Upon examining this name, it suggests a spelling variation of 'Hebrew.'
A linguistic transformation where "rus" in "Horus" becomes "rews" in "Hebrew."
Horus - The original name of the ancient Egyptian sky deity.
Horu - The final 's' is dropped, a typical linguistic simplification.
Horus - The 's' is reintroduced, which can occur when the name is adopted into another language.
Horusi - The addition of a vowel at the end, a common change as names evolved.
Horuse - The vowel shifts from 'i' to 'e', indicating a change in pronunciation.
Horusew - The insertion of a 'w', likely influenced by a language favoring specific consonant-vowel pairings.
Horusews - The 'sew' becomes 'sews', possibly due to a transcription error or dialectal variation.
Horews - The 'u' is omitted, a phenomenon known as syncope.
Hrews - Further reduction occurs with the removal of the initial 'o'.
Hebrews - The final version, with an initial 'e' added to conform to the phonology of the new language.
How “Hapi” might have evolved into “Hopi”
Hapi - is the ancient Egyptian deity associated with the Nile River.
Hapu - A vowel change, which is a common phonetic shift in languages.
Hapoi - An insertion of a vowel sound, which can happen as languages evolve.
Hapo - Dropping the final vowel, a process known as apocope.
Hopu - A consonant shift, where ‘p’ might be pronounced more closely to ‘b’ in some dialects.
Hobi - A vowel change from ‘u’ to ‘i’, reflecting a common linguistic variation.
Hopi - The final form, which could be influenced by another language adopting the term and modifying it to fit its phonological system.
Legend has it that Maasaw, a Hopi guardian, led the Hopi across a vast ocean following a great flood that engulfed the Earth, which likely indicates a global impact nearly eradicating humankind. He bestowed upon the Hopi a small stone tablet, which granted them the right to settle in the new land.
The Hopi Guardian Maasaw shares a name resemblance with Massawa, an ancient port city in Eritrea's Northern Red Sea region. This city was once a part of the Axsum kingdom, established by the descendants of Ityopp'is. Ethiopia's original name, ʾĪtyōṗṗyā, is derived from him, who was a son of Cush and a grandson of Ham.
Hua-Mu'ak, the mother of Eber, is recognized for the origin of the Hebrews' name, and her name, Mu'ak, resembles the pronunciation of Mohawk, ˈmōˌhôk. She was married to Selah, son of Kainan, whose name variant appears in the Kanienkeha language. Additionally, Ne'elatama'uk, a wife of Ham, shares a name segment, atama'uk, similar to the Algonquian word for Tomahawk, otomahuk, albeit spelled differently.
Transforming the term "Iraqian" to "Iroquoian" linguistically involves a gradual change method.
Iraqian - The starting point, referring to something or someone from Iraq.
Iraquian - A minor alteration in spelling for phonetic variation.
Iraquoin - Omitting the 'a' to edge closer to our target word.
Iraquoi - Further simplifying by dropping the 'n', honing in on the core phonetic structure.
Iroquoi - Substituting 'a' for 'o' to mirror the vowel sound in "Iroquoian".
Iroquian - Reintroducing the 'n' to create an ending akin to "Iroquoian".
Iroquoan - Modifying the 'i' to an 'o' to match the target word's vowel pattern.
Iroquoian - The final form, denoting the language family of the Iroquois Confederacy.
This really is a wide-spread "family myth" here in Oklahoma. Everyone seems to have native royalty of some unremembered name in their family.
Yeah, no one ever claimed my great, great grandmother (who was still alive for a number of years after I was born--we had a 5-generation photo in the local paper) was royalty. Just a NA woman who married some guy named O'Neil.
I got migraines from rolling my eyes too hard when the Washington Redskins changed their name, and having to listen to all the white people claim Cherokee heritage and "not being offended." I always thought that if the full blooded relative is too far back for you to ever have known them, they are too far back to claim them. I am pretty much at the legal limit for my tribe. I had to prove me lineage (not ancestry because ancestry is too far back) through my birth certificate, my mother's birth certificate, my grandmother's birth certificate, and my great uncle's birth certificate. My grandmother was full blooded Mi'kmaq. If I had a kid, they would not be eligible to get their band card from the tribe.
I always tell them I'm part Hacksaw, cut through anything.
@@recycled3654😂
At least in Oklahoma it makes sense - They are the largest population of Cherokee that would actually show up on an ancestry DNA test.
Such a great video! Thank you!!
I’m a Cherokee genealogist and worked for the Cherokee Nation tribe for several years. I often saw fake tribal cards from non-native, nonprofit fake groups that made the person’s family think they were all Cherokee. A lot of Business men would also buy one of those fake tribe’s Cherokee cards to get millions of dollars in Government grants and jobs that were geared specifically for native Americans.
Cherokees in the late 1800s/1900’s for the most part have such European names that families looking for a Cherokee ancestor would see the name of their grandmother, let’s say Mary Ross, and decide that was their ancestor and they are Cherokee. That wasn’t “their” Mary, and they weren’t Cherokee. Sometimes families would even claim the Cherokee Mary Ross’ entire Cherokee family as their own, and then could quote their CHEROKEE genealogy going back centuries. Of course, it’s not their family at all.
One question I had for you, is it your experience that Caucasian men married Cherokee women only into the early 1800’s? My experience has been different with marriages continuing steadily on up to the Dawes Card “IMW” designation.
Again, thanks so much for this video, it’s the absolute best!
I need your help. Would you please reach out. I need some assistance on tying all these parts together for tribal membership & Im stuck. Thx
Just ask them to read one of those overy pretentious street signs in Tahlequah.
I actually have Ross as a surname in my family; in fact, it's my mother's maiden name, but I never assumed I would be related to Cherokee Chief John Ross. I say if there is any connection, it's most likely on his Scottish side.
It is interesting you asked him about marriage. Through my uncovering our ancestry, I learned, though can only really verify by the relatives I have on the ancestry sites, my 6x great g father married multiple Native Americans. Supposedly, his 1st wife from Ireland, if I remember correctly, thought it would help with general ease in community/area relations. He had 2 children with my 6x great gma-my 5x great gma & uncle. 27 children overall by stats records with 5 wives. Legal, I’ve no idea. But very interesting. I don’t know how one would verify some of that info. I actually find this more interesting.
Can you help me please?
As an actual Native American, and an enrolled member of the Oneida Nation, I wish I had a dollar for every time a white person told me they're Cherokee.
Absolutely. It is amazingly common.
Saying you have a Cherokee princess great-grandma gets you a polite chuckle in most native spaces.
It’s ubiquitous …and silly.
@@c.m.cordero1772 my pale ass would say this, but then clarify that my Great Grandfather was Shawnee adopted by Cherokee Nation. Still, that don't mean a damn thing if there is no sincere attempt at reconnection, learning of traditions, and learning the language. But two things that I am that would help me here are that I am exceedingly humble, and I like to be polite as a matter of course, because it's the right way to relate to human beings.
Try being a member of the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians. I am so sick of hearing how “Cherokee” some people claim to be
I agree. The biggest red flag is the "Cherokee Princess" crap.. lol😂😂.. yet they don't even know their roots.. AND want to pursue "that free Indian money" which is insulting. They don't EVEN know ANY of the treaties or the hardships..
I have Cherokee ancestors who escaped the trail of tears by hiding in the great smoky mountains of Tennessee. Fast forward a few decades later, some of my Cherokee ancestors, who still lived in East Tennessee when the civil war broke out and Tennessee seceded, joined the Confederate army to retaliate against the federal government. My grandmother actually had a picture of one of my great grandfathers when he was in the Confederate army. He was wearing a Cherokee Indian headdress and holding a rifle. I actually recently found a picture of a Cherokee woman in my family tree. This was around the same time the part of my family that was actually Cherokee began to accumulate into American culture. No one who actually qualified to register on the Dawes rolls actually registered. The reasoning being is that they didn’t trust the federal government.
@@ole_smokey_south Cherokees did not wear headdresses. That was plains Indians, mostly Sioux.
@@jvanncunningham While head dresses weren’t as common for Cherokees, they would still wear them from time to time.
You are correct. I was told that my family was Cherokee, because my mother didn't have enough to be able to receive any benefit's for being Indian. But enough that the school received
money because of it. I had my DNA done on both my mom and myself. And they show that we had no Cherokee at all. Who knew?
Wow interesting story. Wonder where the bit about the school getting money came from.
CNO doesn't require "Blood Quantum" only "Lineal Descent" through their Dawes Rolls.
Stealing from indigenous must make you proud. Repayment is neccessary.
Interesting fact. If you can prove you had an ancestor on the Dawes rolls you can be enrolled in the Cherokee tribe. I personally have seen CDIB cards that said 1/128 Indian blood. And that person was an enrolled member of the western band of Cherokee. Any blood quantum that you can directly connect to the Dawes rolls you can be tribally enrolled.
@@poisonpony1 sadly true. Ive seen cards with bigger numbers. I think Cherokee nation of Oklahoma should have a 1/64 limit
Glad you included that part about how there is a tiny percentage of people who are. My mom is a registered member of the Cherokee Nation, we've traced our family to the Dawes Rolls. My grandfather was born on the reservation and his name is on the Cherokee Vietnam memorial in Oklahoma. My mother was harassed by other native children all the time because she was lighter skinned and had blond hair, and her sister was of a darker skin tone with black hair.
Interesting. Yes, there are obvious those that are Cherokee 😀
May God Bless them.
Truth !!!
That is the only legal way to be an enrolled indigenous American. It is all about the rolls.
Our tribes up this way is the 1942 census.
Grew up fair skinned in the city & experienced such racism from rez cousins & caucasian neighbors.
Now a days all grandmothers have mixed blood grandchildren. I try to be the Grandmother to the Grandchildren of all my relatives.
Genocide is only a few reams of paperwork, some old file cabinets, hard drives & databases away for many of our families & small tribes soon. All tribes are effected.
My husband's Makah tribe has a war Memorial dedicated to never losing a member serving the US Military.
Thoughts and so my prayers, to all...
They were adopted into the tribes. Other races such as blacks & whites. Nationality & bloodlines are not the same.
Fair skinned people existed in the Americas before Columbus.
Thank goodness someone finally addressed this issue of everybody claiming Native American ancestry, it’s like hijacking a culture that don’t belong to you. Everybody wants to be part of the Wannabe Tribe.
Unfortunately this is correct. So many want to be Native American.
They don’t REALLY want to be Native American they just want to claim the right to call themselves indigenous. They have zero interest in living the lives of the First Nations peoples
Its because academia and popular opinion hate whitey and white people are ashamed of their own heritage so they are trying to claim another identity which makes them sound more pathetic.... I am a proud Gaul and should be such as Native Americans should embrace their central asian heritage.
Well are you claiming it!?
@@ghostcasper3185 I’m certainly not claiming it, my ancestry and DNA have no Native American origins. If I did have Native American DNA I would be proud but I don’t and I’m just as fascinated with the DNA I do have.
This is so true… I'm in my late 60s and I have known about this false "Cherokee princess" claim since at least age 13. I've been active since that early age in indigenous rights so I have gotten that comment for years and years and I just laugh when people tell me, they have a Cherokee princess relative in their family.
Thank You Thank You Thank You, I have been teaching for many years and including my siblings. Some of my clients were not happy with me saying this, especially since I couldn't find Cherokee bloodline. When I tried to do research with the Western Cherokee, the librarian told me "No one will take you seriously if you say what others have said "My Grandmother was a Cherokee Princes" or So and so was "one hundred % Cherokee." We don't have Cherokee but we do have other documented American Indian ancestry.
Absolutely. The myth is sooooo common. I’d say 75% of those I ask say they are Cherokee. I wanted to get this out there.
@@familytreenutshistorygenealogy
On gates's who do you think you are tv program, they are always coming up with NA ancestry, especially for blacks. I haven't had a DNA test yet. An uncle had said my Paternal Grandfather was 1/16th Cherokee, Chickasaw, Chippewa...I don't remember which, but I was not able to trace any of it back. But out of nowhere to my surprise on my Mom's side there are "tree suggestions" of 3 NA ancestors in 'those years' you mentioned. ;-) I will continue to try to verify it, but is there a DNA test you would recommend over another?
There are many places to find the Cherokee genealogy documents and how to recognize them, so you’re only correct on a very small amount of what you wrote.
They call us African Americans now.
@@user-ii4zf5iq3t I’ve done the all & overseen dozens of others & I like AncestryDNA the best simply because they have such a large test group out there.
This is a great video. You state ideas I have always had. I've been told all of my life we had Cherokee blood. I've done much research and never could prove anything. These ancestors had very European Surnames such as Sparks and Combs. Like your video, they state it was my great-great grandmother. She would have been born in latter half of 19th century. I do have pictures of my great grandfather. Like you discuss in your video, he had the dark hair, dark eyes, high cheekbones etc. However, I think we may be more Melungeon as most families in eastern KY were descended from. There definitely is a unique set of peoples in eastern KY. So many have dark hair, eyes, and skin tone. But, I've always questioned if it was Native American. You really make your points well.
Thank you sir, much research and discussion has went into this topic for several years. It’s the most common thing heard in genealogy.
Those are Cherokee last names. If you want to find the correct genealogical paperwork (DNA is NOT used to establish Cherokee ancestry), find “Cherokee Connections” by Myra Vanderpool.
Many are descendants of free slaves and some Caribbean free slaves crossed with white , some Indian then white again.
I had my forensic DNA profile done by one the best forensic DNA Analyst in CA, I'm melungeon with mix of Indian ( Creeks) family generation of East Kentucky Appalachian Mountains.
@@schoolingdiana9086DNA won’t find if a person is Cherokee, but it will show if a person has any Native American ancestry. Many people that have confirmed Cherokee ancestry and are enrolled tribal members have very little because the Cherokee nation does not require a blood quantum percentage to be a citizen.
I did a genealogy test and have a tiny bit Native blood in me,but it’s so small it doesn’t really count at less than 2%. It’s probably from an ancestor waaaaay back in 17th century Colonial America probably from an Eastern Algonquian nation like Lenape or something. My test also led me on a journey to find my majority African ancestry of the Fulani and Yoruba peoples of Nigeria in West Africa. For Black Americans, thats like finding a rare gem as so much of our original ethnicities were purposely erased. I’m very happy and proud to be Fulani AND Yoruba.
That’s awesome! Really exciting to discover that and now you can learn about their customs, holidays, etc. Really cool!
I’m white and according to both DNA tests I’ve taken and the genealogical paper trail, I have about 3 percent indigenous American ancestry. Some ancestor of mine was married on a Mohawk reservation in what is now a part of Ontario. But like you, the amount is so small that it’s pretty much negligible.
Bro anybody can be a native from america.you look like one of my ppl ! Your a indian sir !! Your not native nothing ! A native american is a foreigner. A native american is actually a white person ! They the ones that came up with the group in being a african is slime depending on what area your ancestors was at, AT the time ! if your ancestors was in the south of america it possible cus Africans was getting sent to the south of America in it also possible cus our ppl was going to africa to get away from white invaders in we own liberia in africa.our ppl was the president over there from back in the day.
Did your genealogy reveal actual African relatives? Notice I did not say African ancestry, because that can be faked.
@@Ric9hardify no ! But some of us do have african ancestors some where from having sex with them when they came over
This was a great video. I did my ancestry and it stopped at 1920. I was and still am disappointed, however, I just got some new insight from this channel and am looking forward to watching more videos ❤…just trying to figure out where I came from!!!!! Thanks so much!
Awesome! It is a rewarding process for sure.
A lot of people here in Kentucky who think they have Cherokee blood actually have Shawnee blood, especially in the eastern half of the state. There was a ton of confusion between those tribes among settlers. But it remains true that 90% of Kentuckians who have been here 5+ generations have at least some Native American heritage, usually Cherokee or Shawnee. In my case, it was my great-great-grandmother, who like most Natives in these parts married whites and fully integrated into white society in the 1800s. Based on her portrait from the 1870s, she had fully embraced my great-great-grandfather's lifestyle, as he liked to make and spend money (which is why none of it lasted down to me).
My father is part Cherokee , and my mother did his geneology . And we have his paper work. And he remembers his great grandfather who held him as a baby . Who was full Cherokee . They all came to Oklahoma on the trail of tears . His great grand father married a white woman , very frowned upon . So they had to move off the reservation, or they were going to kill her. So he did . Because she was pregnant my great grand father.
Right, since you have records you are the exception to this video. It’s more for the millions of those who have been told their whole lives that they are Cherokee.
@@familytreenutshistorygenealogy mind you. I am not. I have my father's last name, because he is the father of my heart and soul. He saved me and my brother from an abusive father and step mother when I was right and my brother was six. He raised us as his own . He taught us to be men. But am not Cherokee. But he is my father that is for sure. He is now 81 I'm 64. He taught us to hunt fish and trap. No boy could ask for a better father. And he didn't have to be, and yet he was every step of the way.
@@MrRickb75645 Understand. You are a lucky man.
We still don't accept you as native
Same here. But if I mention it, now no one believes me. My grandmother was a genealogist for crying out loud, but nothing deters a naysayer... it's frustrating.
This is a fantastic video. Thank you for saying you respect Native Americans❤
Thank you sir. This video was made in respect for them in order to clear up a myth that is so common.
Add my respect. Our government has sorely wronged you. There is much evil afoot in this world. The majority of us are good people There is much to be admired in the Indian culture....
THE REAL HEBREW ISRAELITES, FROM THE TRIBES OF GAD AND REUBEN.
ITS SO EASY,TO STUDY YOUR BIBLE,CAUSE OUR IDENTITY WAS STOLEN BY ESAUS DESCENDANTS.
REJOICE IN THE MOST HIGH GOD OF THE HEBREW ISRAELITES.
@@familytreenutshistorygenealogy the fact they won't do DNA testing secured mythology.
Well I am a real bonifide white skin Cherokee Nation Citizen and have been all of my life. Cherokees have been marrying whites for 300 years so of course there are going to be alot of white skinned cherokee. One of our most prominent Cherokee Chiefs, John Ross who led our people on the Trail ofTears was only 1/8 cherokee by blood and 7/8 white/scots. This did not make him any less cherokee than full bloods who walked the Trail right next to him.. The old way of determining cherokee identity was not about skin color or blood quantum. That was imposed later by the feds and many cherokee resisted the blood quantum insanity as long as possible. Now we are all swept up in it regardless.
Yes but not All Cherokees are Citizens of the Cherokee Nation, and there was Tribes in the South that were undocumented and the actually Were Cherokees
Chief John Ross put up a good fight using the Constitution's own words against why the exodus of the Cherokee was illegal. He even had Politicians who agreed with him, but eventually, Andrew Jackson and the American Government won and so the Trail of Tears came to be. That's what I've read.
Absolutely love this video. I am roughly half Spanish and half Native a mix from Mexican tribes but mostly Mescalero Apache and from various Pueblo tribes. When I moved to Texas seeing blonde hair blued white girls talking about how they are part Cherokee was hilarious. Like back in New Mexico people who have actual Native decent but identify as Mexican don't even say they are Native because they don't follow the tribal customs. This is a video that alot of people need to see and take to heart.
I'm fron the same roots bro. I'm Mescalero Apache, Tohono, and Seri. I agree with what your saying. Alot of "Mexicans" identify as Latino and they are brown and look straight Native. It's the sad aftermath of genocide
I am a card carrying enrollee of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma (CNO), which does not accept DNA as 'evidence' of heritage, only certifiable genealogic research and documentation.
One of my brothers, my sister, and myself are brown haired and brown eyed, the other brother blonde and blue. Same parentage, same lineage, he has Cherokee ancestry.
@@-oiiio-3993 Thank you for speaking up here. I am a Cherokee Nation Citizen my whole life. I am light skinned, grey eyes and had brown hair before it turned grey. There are ALOT of white skinned real cherokee. How could there not be when we started marrying whites 300 years ago? The apaches may have married more hispanic blood I don't know, but I am sick and tired of the skin color predjudice all the way around. It seems worse now than when I was young. At least back then the elders kept the bullies under control.
As a genealogist and historian, I am aware of all this. However, my spouse is a Redbone from LA and his tree is pretty well documented historically and DNA proves it. good video and I have the same issue when doing trees. Mom's bloodline is Mandan and too far back.
I started to get upset with your first few sentences but you leveled it out good job my grandfather was full Cherokee Indian
Thank you for this intriguing information. We needed to hear this and I know you've done your research! We just didn't know how to understand all the family rumors but what you say makes sense! Thanks for taking the time to share this information...it is greatly appreciated ❤
I had a gorgeous girlfriend in LA in the late '70s and she claimed she was a part Cherokee - it was so exotic to me as I just immigrated from Eastern-Europe. I bragged to everyone back home about it but now when I look back I'm sure she was one of those people who probably had Cherokee granny way back to even register in her DNA. But it made her happy to believe in it and so I was happy for her, too.
That’s a neat story and you are for some reason it makes people happy to claim it.
While many Eastern Europeans are actually "Mestizo"
@@jamesongogoleczko5932 @ Mestizo are American Indians and white mixed.
There was a story passed down in my family that my paternal grandfather was of Montana Sioux heritage; I took the Ancestry DNA test, and everything came back northern European.
So either the story was incorrect OR you just didn't inherit any of the traits. DNA can't ever tell the whole story of one's ancestry.🙂
Up until recently DNA tests didn’t show Native ancestry…lack of records and info in the system.
Yeah, ours keeps changing as they get more results and tests. It’s hard for Europeans to understand how complex American ancestry can be.
The one my daughter and sister did analyzed the mitochondrial DNA. That is only passed from mothers to their children. My Cherokee ancestry come from my great grandfather's side of the family and since he inherited his mother's mitochondrial DNA, he would have had it, but it wouldn't pass to any if his children. Makes sense when you think of it that it didn't show in my sister's or daughter's mitochondrial DNA.
@@SRWill64 yeah it’s all kinds of complicated in the North America my moms side says south of the border native by blood quantum but no reference to any tribes or bloodline. My dads on the other side comes from the US and is more specific but we’ve done the genealogy work and traced us back to the Mescalero and lipans.
You really need to do your ancestry tree. I never thought my family had any native ancestry even thought they settled beside reservations in Canada. Turned out after doing the family tree they were a well documented historic Native American family. They were historic translators for five generations and part of Indian Affairs for several generations. They also led the Indian division of Buttler Rangers. I have over 30 smart DNA matches in the line going back 14 generation, yet show zero Native American DNA. In short, the DNA was not helpful in show Native American ancestry. I was just lucky because my family members were all well documented in historical books and documents in Canada and the US.
Ok. I got your video. You're going back way far to disprove Cherokee link or very little dna. My great grandmother is full blood Cherokee and is provable from Arkansas. I'm 1/16 Cherokee.
Thanks for the hard truth. I've always been suspicious of these exact claims by family members - Great great grandmother, Cherokee princess, the whole enchilada. As i have ancestry hailing from Arkansas around the time of the forced migration, it is plausible, but i always figured that to belong to a tribe was largely cultural, and it never felt right to exploit some claim of Cherokee ancestry for personal gain when i had zero participation in tribal cultural life.
Great comment. However for many it becomes at least part of their identity and they become crushed when they find out that it isn’t true.
I was told the same thing. I was shown pictures of my full blooded grandmother, but she does not show up in the geneology. I was told by my grandmother. Her husband, my grandfather had a full blooded mother. I was told that people would deny the native blood in our family and she wanted me to know the truth about where and who I came from. But some how..I got my DNA back and low and behold, Cherokee. We also have Congo blood as well. Melungeon blood is the mix of Cherokee, African and European. I do believe this is my family. Blood doesn't lie but records can be falsified. Now I just have to find out which records and where. The mystery goes on.
A DNA test would not tell you Cherokee. It would just tell you Native American or similar. But while this video started out well, it devolved into bullshit. It's nowhere near as black and white as he makes it out to be, and a lot of disinformation.
My maternal grandmother was born according to what I was told in 1892. She was adopted in Oklahoma and brought back to Trinity Texas where she lived her entire life. Several of her sons told me over the years just based on her facial features they thought she was Cherokee. I have the means and hired an investigator who did some digging around a small town near Tulsa and discovered what might be a connection. I used information my mom's oldest sister gave me of the story my grandmother's adoptive parents told her about where she came from. If the story I was told is correct I am 1/8th Cherokee. Basically, my mother's maternal grandmother was either attacked by a white man and later had a child or she simply was in love with a white man. Anybody can make a claim so I traveled to this town and met up with a lady who is full-blood Cherokee. I am 65 today and this lady was almost 30 years older than I was. Today still alive and in her 90s and VERY active. During our conversation, she showed me some photos of her mother. It was almost like looking at a photo of my grandmother. Then after learning we may be connected by maternal bloodlines, I suggested both of us be mitochondrial DNA tested. Ours was the same. While I can't be 100% sure, there is some resemblance and we have the same mitochondrial DNA.
Are you black or white?
Because how can you do a mitochondrial if you aren't black?
@@LELEW-bz4sp I am white. I might also add that all humans regardless of their race have mitochondrion inside the cells of their body. I'm not going to debate this with you and suggest you do some research!
You're just white
@@LELEW-bz4sp there’s more than one category for mitochondrial dna just as some African American men can have non African Y chromosomes
I don't claim that my ancestors were cherokee, BUT, during a family tree search, it was found that a Scottish ancestor DID marry an Indian girl somewhere near Charleston, S.C. in the mid 1700's. Her name is lost to history, and that decree of marriage is all that I have, but I believe it. Again, not claiming upper echelon in the tribe, but member of the Native American tribe in general.
My grandmother used to claim that she was part Cherokee. Supposedly, her great, great grandmother was the daughter of Geronimo. She was pretty mad when I told her that Geronimo was Apache, not Cherokee. 🤣
Actually, most of her family was European. Her mother was a 3rd cousin of Boris Karloff, and a distant cousin of Charles Van Dorne.
So I'm distantly related to a horror icon, and a quiz show cheate. 🤣
Insanity, lmfao. What a ride.
My head hurts from thinking how's that possible 😂
@@nahteyenohsug3795 God bless her, but she literally had a fifth grade "ed-you-cay-shun"!
Geronimo was Apache. True!’😂
Geronimo was not Cherokee 🤦🏽♀️
Genetic testing revealed to me and most of my friends how completely unreliable most parents are when it comes to where we REALLY came from. I was always told we were Souix Indian and German... 23 and me says Irish, English, and Scandinavian. Lol! 😆 🤣 😂
Which are not to be dismissed as not good traits. There is beauty in every ethnic group on this earth.
@swan.winter For some reason there are a lot of people in Oregon with Scandinavian ancestry. They are distinct from the type of 'white' I come from, which is mixed- British/Scottish/German/Lithuanian/Polish, Russian and Mediterranean. They are also different than the ones who are Irish. I don't think there is any such thing as a bad background culturally, every culture has its strengths and its beauty. It's so interesting.
I like that we are past the age where we are encouraged to forget our roots and we are allowed to explore where we truly fit. Who knows why our parents thought those things, maybe it was what they wanted to be, or told they should be, or they gave their best guess. 😊
@@FireflowerDancer Absolutely! I appreciate that too - that we're no longer being discouraged from tracing our roots. Further research into my ancestry shows there was a very prevalent effort to hide all traces of Irish ancestry to the point of changing all last names from Irish last names to much more "American-sounding" names.
@@swan.winter Absolutely! Beauty in ALL ethnic groups! 💯%!!
I grew up being told my mother was of French Canadian stock, her families name after all was very much identifiably French Canadian. When I got a DNT test though I was a bit surprised. My father was as polish as one can be , we know for a fact where his family came from. My mother however turned out to have only the slightest bit of French Canadian. She was predominantly Scotts, Irish, German and a bit of Swedish and only then a tiny bit of French Canadian. Who knew!
I need to get my father's MtDNA test. His maternal line goes back to French Canadian and I traced it all the way back to France. I do wonder what his haplogroup will be. Mine will be different as my maternal line is Norweigan.
This is such an informative and compassionate video! It has also helped me untangle the story told for generations in my own family! I really appreciate you and your work!
I love this channel!
I was told as a child that we had Cherokee in our family line. However, my wife and I studied my family lines and the answer is a solid, "Nope". I was fine with it because truth and facts is just that. I'm proud of all my family lines.
Well thanks for you support! Yes, you are right, there is liberation in celebrating our true ancestors.
I really enjoy your videos. Cherokee or Indian princess was just how most of the west described a chief’s daughter. Depending on the tribe there were greater and lesser chiefs, wartime and peace chiefs, different bands, etc. I’m Cherokee & Ojibwe among other things and still have family who live back home.
I know the story I’ve been told my whole life and if it turned out not to be true, it would feel confusing and disorienting - but I’m less concerned with proving Cherokee ancestry and more concerned with finding out who my great grandfather was and where he was from (wherever that happens to be).
The story passed down is that my grandmother’s father, born around 1898 in Indian Territory (nearest US town was Seneca Missouri so based on the maps it looks to be Cherokee Nation) remembers his parents being murdered by cowboys, specifically his mother being held by her hair and drowned. He was taken on horseback to the man’s sisters house, who he always referred to as Aunt Alice. He’s raised by her in Seneca along with her biological daughter who my mom knew and heard these stories from as well. We found him on the census living with her and her husband David McNeil as well as Alice’s brother Harvey Baker. He is listed as Celola “nephew”. Later on the census his name has changed to WR Baker and he goes by Richard. He leaves this home at 13 and goes to work as a rancher and from them on we only know him as Richard Baker. On a 1930 census he is listed as Cherokee but never again. He is not on the Dawes roll. We don’t know his mother and we aren’t sure if Harvey is his father or just some man who murdered his Indian mother or what.
Whatever the case, cherokee or not, I wish I could find out who Celola really was, where his mother is, why she was murdered …. But he’s long dead and according to my grandmother (also now deceased) her dad didn’t talk about his childhood.
Was it common for cowboys to kidnap Indian children in the late 1800s? And murder women? I’ve always heard of Indians capturing white children but not so much the other way around.
Wow what a story you have in your tree. As many discoveries that we find we have just as many mysteries pop up. Great story.
Incredible and fascinating story! Thank you so much for sharing it.
Thank you for sharing. Very interesting. Hope you find answers someday, but the mists of time can guard secrets well. There are many secrets in my family history too, including a murder and an uncle who was spoken of only in whispers and who I only met once. Very odd.
Hey brother, just wanted to remind you to keep teaching and spreading knowledge! It's important to address misconceptions, like the claim of having Indios taínos DNA in Puerto Ricans. Despite what some may say, there is no trace of it in the population. In NYC, there are also many claiming to be Indios taínos. If that were true, why don't we have Adam and Eve DNA? Keep up the good work and keep educating others. You're making a difference!
Hi, can you please explain something to me? I am white skinned and have not done a gene test, HOWEVER my great great grandma literally is a Monacan Indian. She is on the tribal roll and I am her descendant. This is a fact and not family lore. She lived a long time and had brown skin and as far as I’m aware was 100% NA.
Am I considered native because I’m her descendant? Even though my skin is light from white intermarriage? Would I need a DNA test? Thx
Most likely, if she is an enrolled citizen, then your grandparent and parent would be too. Then you would be also. Why did they not enroll you at birth? If she is 100%, then you would be 1/8. Every tribe is it's own sovereign nation, making their own requirements for citizenship. Most likely, her tribe would allow someone 1/8 to be enrolled. Some tribes its 1/4. I will say, though, just being enrolled is not enough. You should try to be active in your community. Hope that's helpful. Also, DNA tests will not tell you what tribe you are from, and enrollment offices will not use that as proof of lineage.
I just looked on their website. I was trying to see what their blood quantum requirement is. I couldn't find it. You can call the enrollment office and talk to them further about it! 😊
@@rachelherrera5867 no if his great great grand mother was 100%, then great grand parent is 50% or 1/2, grand parent 25% or 1/4, parent 12.5% or 1/8 AND THIS PERSON 6.25% OR 1/16.
@@user-ft9tf5tw6l OK. I misunderstood what generation. So what. Everything else I said was 100% accurate.
Thank you for this video. The truth about certain tribes taking slaves has seemed to be lost in history. My great x5 grandmother was scalped and taken by a Shawnee chief as a bride. She was very young, the surviving settlers with her were all enslaved and sold to the Cherokee. My gggma layer had 12 children with the same man who scalped her. The history is horrid and was also backed up with documentation which were found some years ago after extensive research and weeks in the national archives. Her lineage is in the Dawes and weirdly enough I ended buying a property just miles from my long lost native family. Because of the ugly history of the truth about how we had native blood I believe it was hidden from our family. One of those generational truths that no one really wanted to talk about. I’m way more excited about my father’s European heritage!
People have also not been educated about how some Native American tribes not only fought for the confederacy, but refused to free their slaves after the war. The government had to put it in a treaty the natives wanted to force them to free the slaves they kept. It’s why I get so irritated with people who not only don’t understand what Juneteenth was, but are now believing that that was the true date the slaves were freed. Slaves were still kept after that for months until that treaty.
@@mycinnamongirl That was my first thought, too.
Scalped and then taken as a bride? 😅
With verifiable lineage to enrollees on 'Dawes' you are eligible to enroll as a citizen of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma (CNO).
@@mycinnamongirlya there's actually quite a lot of gruesome instances like that where people had survived scalping but there were a lot more that died as a result
We’ve never been told we have Native blood but my mom was from Germany, lol. Dad’s family lines are a bit tricky but European. There always a bit of intrigue in family history, I think that’s what makes genealogy so fascinating, like what ancestors gave my German mom and some of her siblings their dark (nearly black) hair and hazel eyes? In the summer her skin became beautifully tanned, while the rest of us were pretty pasty white (lol) and we all had light hair. One day I’m going to get my genetic testing done, I imagine it will be pretty interesting!
I and my sister are pure blooded germans and she got dark Hair, Brown eyes and gets super tanned in Summer
Actually, I am Cherokee. My grandparents are on the Dawes Rolls and that is why I have citizenship with the Nation.
My grandmother used to tell us that we were part Cherokee. When I began researching my family tree, I learned of the Dawes Rolls and drove over the National Archives with a friend from the genealogical society. She found one Native American named Whatabigbelly. That gave us a good laugh. I found what I think was the reason that my grandmother's claim. When she was a child, in the early 1900's, the government had a program that was going to pay people based on their percentage of Indian blood. My memory is really fuzzy, but 6 or 8 adult brothers and cousins put in their claim. They each used each other as proof that they were part Cherokee. That was basically the only evidence they had. They must have filled out their forms together because they each had the same type of proof and nobody was named more than once. It was a circle of lies. Later in my studies I heard a rumor that my 5th great grandmother was part Cherokee. She was also born 1768 in either England or Ireland. Those two statements just cannot work together as there were no Cherokees in the UK. Later I found a reference that she might have been born in South Carolina. I wonder if that claim was made to support the part Indian claim.
😂 Imagine that..
White people have always lied about any and everything! Still today
Finally someone says it. Money. That is why there are so many people that want to claim native American of some sorts. Especially nowadays. Went to school with many of them that claimed native American, but used to laugh about getting money.
My 2nd great grandmother went by the name of Pocahantus Mosley. My great grandmother who was 99 in 1987 used to brag to me that she was half Indian. However, after doing some research, I found a birth record in the 1880s that showed Pocahantus was actually named "Beckie". Even though her marriage and death certificates show "Pocahantus." My great grandmother never knew her mother, so it's easy to see how that story got circulated in my family. I really burst a lot of bubbles when I revealed this truth to my dad and his brother. They lived their lives thinking they were at least 1/4 Indian!
My personal opinion is that maybe Rebecca Mosley started going by the name Pocahantus in 1882 and lied about her age so she could get married when she was 17 without parental consent. I can't find any other records related to her ancestry though, so it's still much of a mystery. She died in 1892 of tuberculosis.
Wow! What a story! It’s always interesting how stories get created and then over the years they get told and retold until the become a reality that is never questioned. Thank you for sharing your story and be proud of who you really are!
Mosley my mother was a Mosley Mary Mildred from the London Manchester area of KY I have no idea if we are related but if your family comes from that area we may be.
I read that Pocahantus was not the real name of this famous Native American woman.
Thank you for the video. I have had frustrations asking my family to stop claiming they are "Native American" because some distant unknown cherokee ancestor. I am an actual tribal member and growing up my brother thought he was cherokee and didn't even know his actual tribe and so I fleshed out all this research and instead of accepting it so far it is like they expect me to prove it is not the case somehow else like I can't conjure up all the ghosts to confirm it. Even the claiming features are native, I am like look at these pictures from the otherside of my family that are hanging up in my tribal court building, look at their features, isn't it crazy they don't look exactly like the italian guys that played Indians in the movies you showed me as a kid?
I’m white. Grew up around whites. I could t tell u how many times people have claimed this. I just roll my eyes.
I have seen a picture of maybe my great grandmother x3 and she was very much Native American. I was always told that she was Cherokee and my aunt has the characteristics of Native American. She is very dark skinned and has black hair. I’m not saying I’m Cherokee but it does make me wonder where I stand? I know I have English and Irish otherwise. Any thoughts?
@@apostolicinthishour @apostolicinthishour the reality of it is that many of the features people assume are from an Indian ancestor are just other types of european features. High cheekbones is something from loads of areas. People from portugal/spain/france/italy/greece/german most places in europe can have long black hair, east and western asians can have long black hair, middle eastern people, some african places, where is there not long black hair? Some places Europe have a lot of blonde hair or red hair, most african places it is not what you would call "straight" but most of the world grows dark hair. What area are you from? That would be a good way to start to figure it out. Depending on what area it is you could find out the tribe and what dynamic they had with local people. There are many rolls for many tribes and historically being off of a reservation at certain times meant death and there was many reasons to maintain tribal affiliation when everyone else seems to be against you. It depends where you are from and the history of everything surrounding the ancestor you are talking about but at face value it is super unlikely just based on you not being sure. If you are in the south it is just the most common thing ever for people to claim. It is scary when white people and black people all claim to have native blood, without any cultural tie or evidence. It is family folklore that gets amplified and it is being used to steal our voices. You can be white as a ghost or as dark as the night and be Indian it is all about how each tribe operates and the history they have. Many tribes have had excellent black leaders and white leaders who were of mixed ancestry. If you are in Oklahoma and you are black and in any of the 5 civilized tribes areas I would put more stock in the possibility of losing an ancestors history that way. It is not guaranteed even then, but easier to trace. Most the time it is some other type not indian though. I will trade you pictures of my 3xs gg and yours if you want so you can see the features in even a historical photo, but measuring based on features is just stereotyping and not really accurate. You need to research it a lot but it is fun learning the history of any of the ancestors you can.
@@michaelmetzger8802 thank you for your response! I originally from North Mississippi, as well as my family is from there. My family, including the supposed Cherokee great grandmother, were all sharecroppers, cotton farmers, etc in their days. I just wanna say I don’t run around saying oh I’m Native American, but more I do want to truly know. And I realize there are a lot of countries with the same dark hair features, etc.
@@michaelmetzger8802 i hit send before I was finished lol! I also get along very well with Latinos. I have a lot of Latino friends and I speak Spanish fluently, use it for my job, etc. I have often wondered if the lady I saw in the Puc years ago was a Mexican Indian? Maybe? Maybe not? I’m in Oklahoma right now for work and have met someone whose father is Creek Indian and whose mom is Mexican, sand we’ve connected well, and had some great conversation about culture, food from such, etc. I wish I had the pic of my grandmother but I would have to search for it. But I enjoy learning about cultures, languages. I speak English, Spanish fluently as well as Bosnian and Arabic some. But I can’t ignore something in my soul or spirit that always feels connected to Native Americans and Mexicans. Could be some type of DNA memory? Idk. I simply wanna learn more and embrace what I am, whatever that might be.
"Hello," @Family Tree Nuts, History & Genealogy Service. I'm an "Avid Genealogist," and I'm so glad I came upon your video about this topic (because while doing my Mother's Paternal Family Genealogy from Winchester, Frederick County, Virginia (where a lot of Cherokee, Shawnee and Opequon Native American Indians also lived prior to the White European Settlers migrating there, that intermarried with the German, Dutch, Irish, Scottish, Welsh and British European Settlers). My Mother (Sandra, 1948-2018) was the daughter of (Floyd, 1918-1994) who was the son of (MARY, 1896-1991) who was the last eldest relative that was interviewed by my Mother's Paternal Family back in the early (1980s) which my Great-Grandma MARY had said she was related to a "Cherokee Chief Native American Indian," about "4 Generations" back from herself. So I jotted down the (Four Generations) back from my Maternal Great-Grandmother (MARY, 1896-1991) who was the daughter of (Charles, 1873-1945) & (Emma, 1866-1961) who would be "One Generation" back from (Mary) but I'm guessing that the possible "Cherokee Heritage" may come from Mary's Mother Emma's Side. Emma was the daughter of (William, 1806-1892) & (Susannah, 1807-1894) which would be the "Second Generation" back from (Mary), and Emma's Dad William was the son of (Conrad, 1771-1858) and (Catherine, 1772-1885) which would be the "Third Generation" back from (Mary), and Conrad was the son of (Johannes "Henry", 1720-1798) & (Maria, 1735-1798) which would be the "Fourth Generation" back from (Mary)., and Johannes "Henry" was the son of (Johannes "John", 1679-1758) & (Anna, 1700-1803) which would go back one more "Generation," to being the "Fifth Generation" back from (Mary). Both my dear Mother and I had been researching her Family Tree since the early (1980s) and later we belonged to our local "Genealogical Club," from (2004-2008) and during one of our "Genealogy Club Meetings," we had a "Native American Indian" Guest Speaker tell us all about "Native American Heritage." She said that some of the Genetic Traits passed down throughout families with known "Native American Ancestry," will have the following Genetic Traits: (1) Shoveled-Shaped Top Front Teeth; (2) Normally "Native American Indians" don't have body hair on their faces, arms, chest or legs; BUT, some will have a small patch mark of hair on their Backs; (3) Native American Indians usually have the "High Cheek Bones," (4) Native American People will normally have a longer second toe; and (5) Most "Native American Indians" will have lines on their palm of their hand in the shape of the letter (M). My Mother's father (Floyd) always called her his little "Squaw, because he said she looked like a "Native American Girl," with straight long dark hair, and my Mother also told me that she had a patch mark of hair on her back, and she also had the "Shoveled-shaped Front Teeth, and the second longer toe, too. And my Mother always wanted to do an "Ancestry DNA Home Kit," to see if she had any "Native American Indian Heritage" in her, but she sadly passed away in (2018). So my older "Half" Sister and I (who were both born in the mid "1960s") had both did an "Ancestry DNA Home Kit" together, back in (June of 2020), but neither of our "DNA Results" showed either of us having any "Native American DNA." But, like you said, "IF" we did have any "Cherokee or Shawnee or Opequon Native American Heritage," it's just too far back for our "Ancestry DNA" to pick up on it (since there's a "9 Generational" Gap, from my older sister and I to our Mother's Father's Maternal earliest Ancestors (Johannes "John", 1679-1758) & (Anna, 1700-1803), and each Generation's Genetic DNA/Traits percentages get lesser as each new Generation comes along. But, with my Mother living in (Cherokee, Shawnee & Opequon Native American Territory in Winchester, Frederick County, Virginia, and my Mother having several of the "Native American Genetic Traits," I'm pretty sure that her Paternal Grandma (Mary, 1896-1991) who lived to be (94) being 6 months shy of her (95th Birthday) probably had some truth to her "Cherokee Chief Indian" Story (because I've seen pictures of my Great-Grandmother Mary's Mother (Emma, 1866-1961) who lived to be (95) and Emma's Great-Great-Great-Grandmother (Anna, 1700-1803) lived to be over (100) and I've also heard that a lot of "Native American Indians," do tend to have "Longevity." So, though the "Home DNA Kit Tests" can only tell us so much about our Heritage/Ancestry, I know some day when I get to Heaven, I'll get to meet all my "Ancestors" that I've been researching all these years here on this Earth, and then I'll get to talk to them in person and find out all about my Ancestors Heritage and my Ancestral Roots... 🤗
This is the first time I've heard so many families claiming to have Cherokee ancestors...We have been told the same in our family for as long as I can remember, and I'm 62.
I m United keetoowah band of the Cherokee. I have researched my lineage and are full blood 's grand parents.. ggg-parents etc. My father.full blood.mother less than full..I am approx. 90% United Keetoowah band of Cherokee.. my first language is Cherokee ..didn't speak a word of English until I entered school..at 6 yrs..
Wow that’s pretty neat.
Love that you’re a 1st language speaker! Wado!
I'm of Filipino descent mixed with Spanish and Chinese.I find this to be fascinating because a cousin began to claim we are descended from Ghengis Khan before ancestry DNA was a thing.We grew up together. We knew our Chinese grandparent who told us our family genealogy, which never included Ghengis Khan. I'm still trying to figure out who told him that. BUT whenever we are at family reunions, I make sure to squash the Khan thing because it makes our grandparent's story look stupid. We shouldn't embellish it to make it sound better.
It could be true ...there are over 16 million people alive today that are related to him...he certainly got about ...8% of the former Mongol region are related to him and 0.5 % globally
@@tamzinmenadue4887 I doubt it because even his siblings deny ever being told that we are descended from Ghengis Khan. And our other cousins deny it too. I think he read what you did about Ghengis Khan descendants and assumed he could add that to the family story to spice it up and make us more historically relevant. I can see it now...5 to 6 generations from now, someone will come up with "You know, I remember grandpa saying something that his grandma's father said we are Ghengis Khan's descendants" then go off the deep end reading about GK, buying GK posters, going to GK family reunions etc. SMDH. lol.
Sir, I would like to bring to your attention the Eastern Band of Cherokee, in Cherokee, NC. During the Yrail of Tears some Cherokee went to the Appalachian Mountains and hid to avoid removal. So there has been continuous People's living in this area since 1837.
Additionally I like your information and am looking forward to more
Thank you for your support.
I was always told by both my parents at younger age that we have Cherokee ancestry. I was able to build my family tree and trace my Cherokee relatives. Not only did i find Cherokee relatives, I found Monacan, and Seminole relatives as well. I am African-American, but my Scottish relatives intermarried with the Cherokees in the 1800's. Because they are on the rolls i am able to become a Cherokee citizen. My best advice is for everyone that believes and knows they have Cherokee ancestry to please build your family tree. Cherokee Nation does not ask for a specific blood quantum to be part of the Nation, just to provide proof you are related to an ancestor that is on the Dawes Rolls.
Absolutely. If we are going to claim it, we should look to prove it.
@🔮ILUVMARBLES🔮 Well like everything else in life, “ain’t nothin’ free”.
The funny thing with all this is nobody is willing to dig up those that were here and collect their dna to test it to those that exist today which always makes me think that it’s something they and I mean ✋ colored people don’t want known and them racist tribes who are really ✋ colored folks don’t want to be exposed! Now that’s some truth for your ass!
@🔮ILUVMARBLES🔮 Hire a genealogist.
I have some Seminole ancestry, as well. Some of my family members actually live on reserves.
My family is one of the few honest ones where they told me straight up "all of your heritage is English, Scottish, and German, and largely from the colonial period", and lo and behold, my DNA test said just that. Honestly, I'm happy to know the ethnic identity I was brought up with was always correct, I feel bad for people from families that tell these myths. At the end of the day though, while my ancestors came from England, Scotland, and Germany, I was born and raised in America, and my heritage here is old enough, I'm an American, through and through.
My family is half guilty of this same scenario, after my son got tested we found out cherokee wasn't part of the results. His American Indian results showed Northwestern Shoshone and Aztec Indian. Goes to show that even your closest family members don't know.
Lol someone with a Mexican dude , most Mexicans are indigenous decent
DNA tests can’t show you what tribe you or your ancestor came from. Some can give you a region of the continent, but cannot tell you a specific tribe. So how do you mean?
@@meanhe8702 lol I know what tribe I’m in , and most Mexicans come from areas where there are huge tribes , I’m ojibwe
I'm from Sylva 8 miles out of Cherokee. A lot of my relatives are buried in Cherokee . I was told I have a great great grandma who was full Cherokee. I wish I knew I am quite dark complected who knows
Interesting note: on the censuses for my family, my Native ancestors had white sounding names and claimed white on the censuses. If it weren’t for family photos, and meeting some of them I would have never known. Also interesting that my dad’s great grandfather was Creek and his DNA came back as 12.5% East Asian. I think there were just people who wanted to be left alone and not moved to a reservation.
Same, my last name is Sawyer but I'm an Apache mutt
I’m not aware of any member of my family who claims Cherokee ancestry. However as you mentioned, living in Appalachia, Southeast Kentucky more specifically, nearly anyone you talk to will tell nearly exactly what you said about a great or great-great grandma.
Isn’t that the truth! It’s amazing how common it is.
Glad you did this! I'm a "victim" of family lore that we're Creek. I even got two payments from the Department of the Interior! My ancestors (husband and wife) are on the Dawes rolls! I obtained a copy. Unpaid Creek land settlement was being divided between ancestors. Just fill out an app and provide the proof. When doing my genealogy several years ago, I learned I have zero native! I found nothing indicating anything other than Caucasian back many generations in the supposed Native line. I came across a site for Creek ancestry and learned there was a scam run by people wanting to cash in! Back then, the government was accepting signed statements from non-family members that they always knew the individual in question as native. I had already seen several statements like that elsewhere. I couldn't understand why they were written. I certainly found out! I was proud to think I had Creek ancestry, but I don't, and facts are facts. People need to get over it, lol. Out of respect, the least one can do is to correct the record. I'm extremely disappointed that I have ancestors who were that horrible! I don't feel bad as I had nothing to do with it. But I set the record straight with my relatives.
What about repaying the two payments from the department of the interior?
People don't pay back their foodstamp money.
Getting the “Indian Card” is and has been a way to scam money and benefits due to tribal members for a very long time.
As an Indigenous person (Cahuilla/Luiseño/Assiniboine), it has been a source of amusement for those in my circle as well. It's ALWAYS a long lost matriarch too.
My DNA test says I'm 100% European, but while doing my family tree I've found 3 First Nation women who married with French settlers. It's really far back, so it doesn't show in my DNA, but they are still part of my ancestors. They have no name, only "Indian Wife" is written in the records. I know they were Mi'kmaq and that's it. Like you said, we feel it somewhere inside of us, when we really listen to our heart. The Vikings, the Celts, Rus, Franks, Gauls, English, Spanish, Scots, and Mi'kmaq. That's me.
That is an excellent take on all of it! You really get it.
Do your genealogy on your family, DNA ISN'T the best way to get your families results.
I have 139 DNA matches to Shepahoomia "runningdeer" Julia Anne her is mother Chamoy Redwing and father is Pushmataha
It's a hot highly debated topic in my family they were Choctaw not Cherokee but my ethnicity results say almost 60 % Scandinavian with a little German and such tossed in and also showing that I was 0 French or native American however almost all of my paternal side is well documented and highly Creole and French surname Saucier so yes the ethnicity test are very inaccurate
So you're proud of genetics that are so minute that they don't even show up in scientific tests? You feel it's part of your identity? Why? It sounds like twisted and misguided wishful thinking. If you found out that there was an african cannibal in your distant genetics, do you feel you're an african cannibal?
This is the case with my boyfriend, he's Brazilian comes out 100% European but his mom has 1-2% admixture from both Natives and Africans.. so his last native ancestor was probably from before the threshold which would identify that
I was told that I have ancestors from the Blackfoot and Cherokee tribes. I did an ancestry search and I couldn’t find any proof that the ancestors were native, who were supposed to be. I did find an ancestor from Cherokee County with a native sounding name but they weren’t listed as native. That ancestor may have been descended from the Cherokee but I can’t find any evidence proving that she was part of the tribe. The ancestor who was supposed to be 100% Blackfoot is my great grandfather. I have pictures of him. The family claims he was 100% Blackfoot and 7ft tall. From the research I have done, 7ft would have been above average height for a Blackfoot man. Some other things that lead me to believe that he wasn’t 100% is his last name being Miller and he was from Mississippi. I can’t find any verifiable information on his parents though. So it’s possible that his mom may have been 100% but his dad was a Miller. And it’s possible that his dad was 50%. But looking at the pictures I have of him, he doesn’t look white. While researching this subject I have found 2 things that could be a possibility. 1, he was given a new last name when he entered the military. 2, he was a descendent of a slave and he decided to say he was native instead of being mixed with black. Being a black man in the early 1900s, in Mississippi probably wasn’t a good thing. All of his children described him as the meanest person they ever met and they said he had a reputation for being mean as hell. So everyone called him Billy Hell. My grandmother was happy to see him die. Now to a weird find that I discovered on my own while doing the ancestry search. On my biological father’s side of the family I found a grandmother who wasn’t white. I verified her as an ancestor and she is buried in the cemetery where all my relatives were buried until my biological father. I was able to get a picture of her. On paper she was written as white but in the picture she is clearly not. The issue I have with this is most of my ancestors on that side of the family didn’t like black people during the time period when she married into the family. I’ve actually found papers signed by some of those ancestors saying how they felt about black people. My biological father hated black people. I’m not saying she is black but she looks like a light skinned black woman to me. Maybe she is something else entirely but it puzzles me. One thing I do know for sure is I’m white lol.
Edit: I think it’s funny how you covered most of the topics I talked about in my comment 😂.
That more than likely had something to do with Walter Plecker. Google paper genocide and Walter Plecker
This is the same exact story that was passed down from my mother's side of the family. My Grandmother from North Carolina told me this story of her Great, Great Grandmother being a Cherokee Princess. ...The funny thing is, that my Grandfather is the one who was darker skinned with dark hair. So who knows. If it ain't true then I ain't gonna cry. YAH made me. Truth is is freeing regardless. At the end of the day. I know blood family who just don't get along anyway. I've learned it's the Spirit of who we are that drives us.
That’s a good outlook to have.
Yall family or lies
“Better to be Indian than to be black” I think that’s the most honest statement I’ve heard! I too have Native American heritage stories, but I may be the select few that actually has that dna. My grandfather was born in Oklahoma (Choctaw territory) and claimed he was Choctaw. My grandma also claimed native ancestry and they were both obviously mixed ancestry. But who’s to say the story was actually true. Might’ve just been black and white 😂
😂 Or Could've been Actually Mixed with Choctaws which are Flat-Head Indians
The bigger confusion is that most of those who think they are Cherokee are most likely Choctaw or Creek.
Or full European.
I was told as a child that we had native ancestry but one side never said what tribe and the other side said Apache. It will be interesting to see what comes of it. The Cherokee princess thing always makes me chuckle 😂.
Native does not mean indigenous. Native is foreign to this land.
So what u got?
Our family myth was that one of my great-grandfathers was Chickasaw. However, this was only believed by half the family, the other half (including my grandma, whose father he was) held that he was French-Canadian. I've never had my DNA analyzed, but my niece has and there was no indication of any indigenous ancestry at all. I'm only glad my father never found out, he was a big supporter of the myth.
It might not be a myth. It all depends on what company did the test and what database they use. My mother did a DNA test and between 5-7% of her results had no match in their database. That just means there is not enough information to identify its origins, so it is possible you do have a Chickasaw ancestor but they don't have enough confirmed samples to make a positive match.