If this wasn’t enough, her gen mates talked about how Zion was making them feel uncomfortable and among other things that were pretty negative. While they did get upset that she was termed, they just had to let some of this info out about Zion behind the scenes as to lift a weight of their shoulders.
The talents who have talked said they were sad she didn't change, but they did try to reach out to her, and give her advice needed to stay in. She choose to ignore, and according to many others, gaslight her way through rather than follow rules. Pretty bad set of choices honestly.
@@VA_Nightshade i listen to some people revealing her past life, its far worse than this apparently... and what she said... she's what i consider disgusting, its not picture, no, its clips of her
@@liandoaethend2403 I'm mainly refering to to what is being shared publicly. I usually don't dig to deep into internet personalities pasts. The only exception to this was Kson when she left her old job and went back to her original channel.
I feel bad. I didn't want to see her go and hoped everything would work out. I don't want anyone to come out of this as the villain. I just want everyone to be okay. But, it is what it is. Zaion knew how to work a crowd like a pro, and had one of the best looking models in the business. I feel bad for her mama and person who rigged her. And I also feel a little bad for anyone who applied to NijiSanji, didn't make the cut, and then sees this going down.
You can say that but in the real world people always looks for anyone to be the "villain" or to blame or laugh at, even a non-social media non-famous person. If they're strange or somewhat different or just a target for said rumors or negativity. Bullying is still very common now in 2023 to people taking advantage of their social influence and networking. Obviously, from those reasons it should be relevant she is a "free spirit" and chose not to follow the rules in which she signed a contact with briefly. If you're apart of any company they obviously expect you to listen to them. Not do whatever you want. They suspended her as a warning. Which she disregarded. Some places don't give one just 1 time and you're out.
Zaion's lore was that she was a prophet of an apocalypse that was about to come but one she was also trying to prevent. Elira's lore was that she betrayed her half sister to keep the peace for their species. They took the role playing part a bit too hard this time.
“Keep the peace” damn. I feel like the other Niji ppl have dug themselves a hole at this point that’s hard to escape from. I only blame Nijisanji for this, but I wonder exactly how innocent the rest are.
I feel bad she's gone, but at the same time- good riddance. Why would you audition to be a vtuber for a company if you had no intentions of following the rules?? Being a vtuber for a company is like working for any other company- if you disobey management repeatedly you'll lose your job.
@@jesuszamora6949 I agree! But given certain things she got fired for, such as liking comments that slandered her fellow livers, I don't think she'd be that successful as an indie either. If you disrespect the people who collab with you/are trying to help you that's not a good look for any kind of content creator
@@kohakuhime7887 I can't necessarily disagree, though for all we know they were trying to get her to tow the line like corporate was and that was the source of the tension.
Not just image it's company they need money to pay their employees and support their talents (even tho they fishy about this one) Not blame them to afraid losing stakeholders tho
Tbh this goes to show that not everyone is made for groups let alone vtuber companies, like if u are a fan of company and a genuinely aware of ur behavior and how u act then u shouldn’t be taking risk and trying to join that said company especially if they have so many rules, like I don’t really know how vtuber companies work but ik for a fact that once ur terminated u won’t be able to come back
Honestly companies do this all the time. She obviously signed a contract before starting to be apart of them. If Vtubers had so much freedom. They're probably just be more discourse. They gave her a suspension as a warning but it seems she didn't care for it or learned anything. At least she got a "warning" and a break. Most well-known companies don't do that and it's one strike and you're out. Or simple social media digging up something scandalous about a person that can ruin their reputation so they simply let that person go.
Problem is, they gave points that are only half true, completly blown up or even non Points. Examples for 1.) The Piracy thing, yes she talked about it (after the whole stream was going crazy about Roms and Emulators) and told that she wouldn´t play them.... example for 2.) the Sponsorship, it was the whole known Raid Shadow Legends joke which nearly everyone (even corpo Vtubers) use .... example for 3.) the Liking thing, which seems to be her liking Khyo and False
@@luxTenebris1It was about liking comments defaming the company and other livers in the company on her alt, I don’t think it’s related to Vtuber news channels.
@@luxTenebris1 Wow, dude. I literally just explained what was EXACTLY stated. No need to be rude. But hey, if we can’t have a civilized discussion without you randomly insulting me-then I just won’t reply to any comments you make anymore. 🤷🏾♀️ Have a nice day.
Tbf, most that knew her before debut knew she was a really nice gal. Sure that one joke was distasteful but we all make mistakes which she even admitted regret making.
Of course you insulted her and called her brain dead. Because you yourself was dead in the brain and ate up the corporate propaganda like a good little brainless sheep. Hopefully you opened your eyes a little and learned not to trust everything you see and hear before learning the full story.
Seems like Zaion just isn't a good fit for Niji. I still think she is a good person, but she seemed unwilling to adapt to being a corporate vtuber. I understand not wanting to feel stifled like that, but, then why the heck did she apply to Nijisanji? If she redebuts on her indie account, I will watch. I'm assuming she will redebut, otherwise her actions in Niji make absolutely zero sense.
@@danielestrada3390 Alot of ppl have mentioned that she would be alot better off as an indie vtuber, and that obviously comes with the issues of starting out as one, but at least she wouldn't have to deal with a corporate leash. And so considering alot of her 'oopsies' are related to regulations, being under ANY other agency doesn't seem like there would be much of a difference in her attitude towards rules.
@@probablyhateme idk if she thought of it this way, but my guess is that she started in nijisanji so that even if she goes indie, she would have considerable amounts of viewers from her time with nijisanji as compared to if she were to start as an indie.
Nice to get the reason, now we know that she kinda had it coming and wasn't one of those cases where you make a tiny one-time mistake and get obliterated.
Yea ... considering Livers are an investment, I am sure most companies don't terminate their livers over one or two mistakes unless it is some serious, long term ones.
The sexual joke wasn't a big enough deal even when grouped with her other issues. However her other issues were a big enough problem that the company had to terminate her. The biggest being the illegal pirated games. That's something even indi streamers wouldn't do, because it could land them in hot water. Piracy is illegal period, and that was likely the deciding factor that pushed Niji over the edge. Well, that and revealing internal information, as well as falsely stating she was sponsored. These are damaging to the company itself, and is why she needed to go. Hopefully she learns from these mistakes if she ever goes independent. But given her inability to change for a large corporation, it's likely she'll wind up in a lawsuit at some point down the road for similar activities.
@@Boyoyoable @Xanlee Game emulators are legal (well kinda, it is a bit of a grey area), if you buy your own cartridge (for example), and buy special hardware for rom dumping, you can make a copy for yourself (this is legal to do as long as you don't share it), if you then got permission to stream it (somehow, doubt any company would be friendly enough to let you do that) you could perfectly stream a game on a third party game emulator Of course, as you can see doing this would be extremely complicated, but it would still be legal, the issue with emulation is that usually nobody bothers with making their own dumps and they just pirate (which yeah, I don't blame them)
So, the three things you listed: Piracy: "I used to play romhacks." Internal information: "We have perms for Hogwarts Legacy, but EN has been told to not play it because of the controversy." False sponsorship: "This stream has been sponsored by Dee's Nuts." Are these quotes someone should be terminated or sued for?
Now at the present. Kurosanji is a black company and she knows it well. That's why she didn't change. I'm not a ziaon fan but she know something that we don't at the time. And she handled it pretty well tbh.
Niji needs better background checks on those they will employ to see if they match their standards and not waste money on models that will get used very little and thrown away
I really like Zaion model(Tsundere & Simpable) and voice it really match with her vtuber avatar. Sadly, despite the company tried to save her there's nothing they can't do if ever the person isn't compliant.
I really liked her model but that's all since I didn't watch her a lot, just during her debut and in clips. I'm glad niji gave us the reasons and it's really unfortunate
I hope she doesn't decides to make something stupid after this. Unless the new fans that started “suportting” her after her suspension make something crazy. This year has only got wilder and wilder as moths pass by, let's if the major vtubers companies can get out of this one. I think is year would be the real test for the industry
I can see why zaion didn't make a move cuz she care about the talent in Nijisanji after selen drama every Nijisanji member got targeted with hate even tho selen(Dokibird) announce that don't target any of their talent or hate em it not the talents fault
@@leonrussell9607 making a 'joke' to a SA victim by saying "no wonder why you got SA'd" isn't really a joke m8. Even if it's just directed towards in game character, it still reflects how she would react to stuff like that in real life considering how unfiltered she is
@@leonrussell9607 but, this statement did affect real people. many members agreed on how it made them severely uncomfortable and even hex stated that he found it extremely offensive
although zaion did some pretty shitty things, half of those reasons are actually dumb and actually accidentals, mishaps, or miscommunication. If you’ve seen zaions point of view, for the false sponsorship, the false sponsors was “Dee’s Nuts” as a snack for a stream. For leaking, all her genmates were releasing theirs so she automatically thought I can do it too cause everyone else is. But no. That also happened with copyrighted songs. But yes the sex joke was a fat no no.
She is entertaining and fun to watch, but I also witnessed some red flags from her streams, It doesn't bother me but I understand where the Agency stands in this case.
I saw someone else report on this and I kind of took it with a grain of salt thinking it may be some cancel culture thing as I'd never watched the vtuber, but after hearing it in more detail here I get it. My goodness...
Whenever I hear people talking about Doki, they're talking about Doki. Whenever I hear people talking about Sayu, they talk about drama. I find that a little ironic because one was probably the hardest worker at Anycolor and got fired the very millisecond she was suspected of being a liablity, while the other was fired after three months only because she proved too difficult to work or negotiate with. Oh, and she was one of the clique's nepotism hires, which is why she didn't get fired sooner. You all knew that part, right?
I liked her personality and even the way she speaked, so energetic, at this point i think it was on purpose to be fired but who knows but i hope she returns under a new name to RUclips or other platforms
She’s acting very selfish. I wished she didn’t join nijisanji and instead started on her own if she doesn’t like listening to her coworkers/bosses. Her actions would be liable on herself but she affected innocent livers with unnecessary drama and attitude in private.
Welp... maybe she is just not for Nijisanji. I do hope people redirect me to her if she has an older account and I seem to see in some comments she is just going back to it. Thnx in advance.
Any sort of reason is better than none. Real fans will not blame her as fans always forgive. Haters will just drop hate and go anyway. At least fans know why the good time has to end, and for F-sake it hopefully not gonna hit Anycolor price even more. Fans will support her anywhere she goes.
Why are these comments felling bad for zaion?? She used an alt account and liked posts that hate/defamed on other livers, literally jokes about se*ual as*ault, lied to her co workers and gen mates. Why the sympathy?? If anything It should go towards xsoleil and finana they’ve been affected by this the most
That’s what’s bothering me in this whole comment section they’re all feeling bad for her but she’s literally lied to her coworkers and company liked comments that That involve people talking shit And saying mean things about her coworkers and even when they told her multiple times to stop making sexual jokes about liking little boys She deliberately still kept doing it, and when she got fired, she took advantage and manipulated Finana who considers her as a friend Like this woman does not deserve sympathy she deserves to get fired, and to be hated
@@Vartis1270 welp, youre the definition of a close minded individual who gulps anything up and take anything as 100% truth without even looking but sure, believe in a company with 0 credibility and in spineless gutless cowards who decided to talk trash about someone online when this person already got terminated and cant defend herself or else she will get sued. The fact is, that you have no critical thinking and believe in their „we cared sooo much about her but she was soooo bad” card so naively when they didnt had the guts to open their mouths and call of the harassment of Zaion (if they cared soooo much, they would have), which started since her suspension but unlike her „colleagues” Ren had to do that. That youre that kind of person who supports hate aka harassment in several social media plattforms and doxxing proves a lot mindless drone. And when you have a pair of eyes and look in her comment section where she liked the supposedly defaming comments in her alt account then you will see that this acusation is a huge stretch there bud, stop talking like a guy without a head, its not a good look.
@@FantasiephilosophRaku How they treated her is irrelevant. You dont go out on a revenge campaign against your employer and dox your co workers just because you get mad. If she felt she was wronged she should have walked away or took them to court.
aye, despite all the hate she got, zaion's rebel persona was so cool xD. still a fan mwuhahaha, come y'all, spam against me if you got time and stuff (cuz, let's be honest, if you read my comment this far, you're as bored as I am, so yeahhh partyyy timeee)
her humor wasn’t very funny nor were her streams honestly.. she was the only nijimember i didn’t stay subscribed to and now i learn that her contract is suspended- wow
Some people saying they don't understand niji fans. They say would fans bash and push their livers. Like the fans bashing on zaion. Like duh, if like this, who would stay with the liver? Fans know what good and bad. So we won't defend for people that did bad even if we like them. Bad is bad no matter who you are. She given opportunity to change but she push it so we cannot help. Those fans that blindly supporting even when someone is bad is concerning.
Bad considering from the dogpiling Hex and Finana did and the character assasination Ninji did with their list, which they did the same thing towards the vtuber who made a baseball tweet? The company take an L after another and has 0 credibility in their words, I wouldnt take sides so blindly bud.
Idk, i find that a little off-putting and weird personally. Regardless of Zaion's bad behavior, it would be like "Oh well then all of these models are a waste then, let's recast!" when some graduate. XSoleil still has plenty of talents that are probably more deserving of attention. It would be more fitting to just focus on the talents that are still there than a replacement or a double for the model.
That won't work, her old fans won't want that, nijisanji won't want that and even the replacement person won't want that. It's a lose/lose for everyone.
i didnt like her dark humor jokes as it was not funny and i am thankful that nijisanji gave the reason why she was terminated instead of just saying yea your terminated because if they did not show the reason there would be people trying to justify her without knowing what was the reason im just glad she isnt here to continue those acts with all due respect i am thankful she has been terminated
It felt like they enter the company only to screw things up.. All of those hard work for the model, lore, her seat of an EN Niji is wasted to someone who doesn't learn or listen... Edit: Oh, how can I be so wrong. So blinded to support a black company. I was a fool believing they are even learning. Zaion sure did some few things but she was right all along. All my intention of supporting that dirt bag of a company is gone. It aged so badly that I can only see disgust of myself trying to protect this undefendable thing.
I don't intent to help Sayu in any way, because I have my own reasons as to why she said some things that are unacceptable, even if they are accounted for. But I won't be the one to rally a raid against her. She suffered and is still suffering for it. I'm not the one doing it, I won't make it better for anyone harassing her, not will I make it better for her. Some things have worse consequences than others. So I will just watch.
The way they worded "training about compliance" feels like they were talking about giving behavioral training to a pet, this seems like it's the fault of both sides, Zaion for not even trying to fit, and Niji for not even trying to work with her ( I know they said they did... but that was to look pretty in the overall picture). They dog pilled so many reasons on her (some extremely stupid and most have been broken by many other livers) just for the sake of it (at some point they were blaming her of shareholder problems and accusing her of being sponsored when that was clearly a joke...) But seeing that long list really shows she just wasn't fit for the corporate world, and the corporate world wasn't fit for her, overall this is the best result she can now re debut as an indie vtuber and will probably find much more sucess.
You don't joke about being sponsored when you work for a corporate VTuber company. None of the other Niji members are dumb enough to risk harming the brand doing that. And as far as other companies go, you ever notice that Hololive always makes sure they list all the legitimate sponsors, or rights to play a game, and collect revenue for streaming it, and all the permissions that came with it? These aren't independent streamers that can joke around, and not end up in court for a joke. Corporate sponsored Tubers however can end up in court, and likely would if the company they joked was sponsoring them, took legal action for false claims.
People always mention how other livers broke the same rules as her, but there’s one thing to remember: they were told by management afterwords to no longer do that, and she was too-yet she didn’t listen. Not to management, not to her genmates, not to anyone. Plus she got all the rules broken by other livers in a month, whilst they did over a spanned out period of time.
@@FantasiephilosophRaku Did I say that she deserves harassment and doxxing? No, because she shouldn’t get that. I dislike what she did, but I don’t think she should be doxxed. Does she need to at least admit what she did? Yes. You don’t have to believe the livers, that’s up to you, because I’m not going to believe a woman who directly said that she likes little boys and not men 🤷🏾♀️
I have to side with Niji on this one. Not only did she break all those rules, but she refused to change her ways even after she was given another chance. She deserved to be terminated.
She returns and this time people is Going up against Nijisanji and now all of a sudden The majority of everyone is backing her up since she finally posted something on Twitter about how the company treated her terribly.
I think that both side is neither right nor wrong. Managment didn't treat her fairly but she didn't abide by their standards. A few jokes were fine and managment being stuck up with her but she did make some jokes that didn't sit well. Plus she didn't come to an understanding with managment or her gen mates. Personally again, I don't think either side was right or wrong.
@@xjakanton2576 She still did those things though. Ninj's current situation doesn't somehow rewrite history. Also, their mishandling of the situation also doesn't automatically make Selen innocent of any of the things she was accused of doing either. Dont be so quick to believe that either side is wholly innocent. You will find that's seldom the case in life and especially in business. Ninji being a poorly ran company doesn't necessarily make all of its talent helpless victims who have done no wrong.
@@functionatthejunction Yeah. But as it turns out most of the accusations were extremely blown out of proportions or only half true. Look it up. It sucks
@@xjakanton2576 Ninji's mishandling of legal documents and their little organized smear campaign against hosted by their other livers did me with them. Whatever Selen / Doki might have did, that action by Ninji crossed the line. They are no longer professionals dealing with an employee, they are being petty and childish.
@@alvinjan3486 when “lied about being sponsored on stream” is a Raid Shadow Legends joke, then yeah I’d say it’s a bunch of bull. And considering her Gen mates actually want to stay in the company, I don’t know why you would take their word for it either. Especially considering how they all had tweeted about looking forward to her coming back around the time of her suspension.
I don't think any of this is BS. If they just want to get away with ease just the fact that she using multiple IP without permission already justify her termination. The other reasons might be listed to make a clear public statement about traits that undesirable and will no longer tolerated after dealing with this one talent.
@@TheJum they never had to address it to begin with, and some has disagreed with some of the reasons openly. But the main ones aren't really bull. Her breaking contract talking shit on fellow members, lying to fellow members, lying about management. Lying about having the ability to play certain games, playing games she didn't get permission to, and openly talking about pirating multiple games, is bad when you're apart of a company. And even if it was a joke saying that you are being sponsored when you aren't still is badly reflected on the company. And they were excited about her coming back as she wasn't terminated until she went and started immaturely liking every comment that she could find that shits on her fellow livers, and nijisanji. And talked even worse about them. She was originally going through discipline, but was bitter and got herself fired.which she herself was aware of. And the nijimembers became aware of more recently, you know when she switched her status to revival, on her past account.
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Did this age badly?
Yes.
Yes.
Absolutely
They are still under a dumpster fire after this
Definitely
Thank God someone just listing the reasons and not taking forever to get to the point.
If this wasn’t enough, her gen mates talked about how Zion was making them feel uncomfortable and among other things that were pretty negative. While they did get upset that she was termed, they just had to let some of this info out about Zion behind the scenes as to lift a weight of their shoulders.
The talents who have talked said they were sad she didn't change, but they did try to reach out to her, and give her advice needed to stay in. She choose to ignore, and according to many others, gaslight her way through rather than follow rules. Pretty bad set of choices honestly.
@@VA_Nightshade i listen to some people revealing her past life, its far worse than this apparently... and what she said... she's what i consider disgusting, its not picture, no, its clips of her
@@liandoaethend2403 I'm mainly refering to to what is being shared publicly. I usually don't dig to deep into internet personalities pasts. The only exception to this was Kson when she left her old job and went back to her original channel.
And then we learn that in reality it was the others who were the bullies
It's other way around
I feel bad. I didn't want to see her go and hoped everything would work out. I don't want anyone to come out of this as the villain. I just want everyone to be okay. But, it is what it is.
Zaion knew how to work a crowd like a pro, and had one of the best looking models in the business. I feel bad for her mama and person who rigged her. And I also feel a little bad for anyone who applied to NijiSanji, didn't make the cut, and then sees this going down.
You can say that but in the real world people always looks for anyone to be the "villain" or to blame or laugh at, even a non-social media non-famous person.
If they're strange or somewhat different or just a target for said rumors or negativity.
Bullying is still very common now in 2023 to people taking advantage of their social influence and networking.
Obviously, from those reasons it should be relevant she is a "free spirit" and chose not to follow the rules in which she signed a contact with briefly.
If you're apart of any company they obviously expect you to listen to them. Not do whatever you want.
They suspended her as a warning.
Which she disregarded.
Some places don't give one just 1 time and you're out.
That's true, her streams were wild and incredibly entertaining.
Zaion's lore was that she was a prophet of an apocalypse that was about to come but one she was also trying to prevent.
Elira's lore was that she betrayed her half sister to keep the peace for their species.
They took the role playing part a bit too hard this time.
Yeah they're too immersed with their character
“Keep the peace” damn.
I feel like the other Niji ppl have dug themselves a hole at this point that’s hard to escape from. I only blame Nijisanji for this, but I wonder exactly how innocent the rest are.
I feel bad she's gone, but at the same time- good riddance. Why would you audition to be a vtuber for a company if you had no intentions of following the rules?? Being a vtuber for a company is like working for any other company- if you disobey management repeatedly you'll lose your job.
yeah, some people are better off as indies or in smaller, more liberal agencies like Phase Connect.
@@jesuszamora6949 I agree! But given certain things she got fired for, such as liking comments that slandered her fellow livers, I don't think she'd be that successful as an indie either. If you disrespect the people who collab with you/are trying to help you that's not a good look for any kind of content creator
@@kohakuhime7887 I can't necessarily disagree, though for all we know they were trying to get her to tow the line like corporate was and that was the source of the tension.
@Ñuts from Berserk she already had a pretty big following on twitch before applying for Nijisanji.
Who was she before Niji?
Reminds me of Mick Gordon's story, where the company blames the dude and he can't reply because of the NDA
Also reminds me of the Rushia situation where she also got silenced because of Covers NDA.
@@FantasiephilosophRaku But what Cover said is true. She's still the queen of dramas even after being terminated and is not hindered by any NDA
@@hieuduong7130not only that but she's a menhera, which can easily contribute to poor decision making.
Zaion was right.
@SemiEclecticSayu is *still* right!
aged like the finest milk
It surely does eh.
You god damn right
This aged badly(4)
This didn't age well
This aged horribly u mean
It was unfortunate, but I can see them wanting to protect their image and not have it ruined to public eyes
Not just image it's company they need money to pay their employees and support their talents (even tho they fishy about this one)
Not blame them to afraid losing stakeholders tho
Well if she's shit-talking other talent, then there's something, too.
@@jesuszamora6949 do we want to talk Kyo here? just asking for a friend ;)
To be fair, Niji simply stated the obvious why she got booted so that no more drama Vtuber would make things more complicated than it already is
Don't worry, they could do it themselves
This aged badly(3)
Even worse
This aged badly
explain?? (i’m confused :P)
Her wave members even tried to help her, but she still didn’t change.
You take this back
*laughs in the future*
Tbh this goes to show that not everyone is made for groups let alone vtuber companies, like if u are a fan of company and a genuinely aware of ur behavior and how u act then u shouldn’t be taking risk and trying to join that said company especially if they have so many rules, like I don’t really know how vtuber companies work but ik for a fact that once ur terminated u won’t be able to come back
Honestly companies do this all the time.
She obviously signed a contract before starting to be apart of them.
If Vtubers had so much freedom.
They're probably just be more discourse.
They gave her a suspension as a warning but it seems she didn't care for it or learned anything.
At least she got a "warning" and a break.
Most well-known companies don't do that and it's one strike and you're out.
Or simple social media digging up something scandalous about a person that can ruin their reputation so they simply let that person go.
Problem is, they gave points that are only half true, completly blown up or even non Points. Examples for 1.) The Piracy thing, yes she talked about it (after the whole stream was going crazy about Roms and Emulators) and told that she wouldn´t play them.... example for 2.) the Sponsorship, it was the whole known Raid Shadow Legends joke which nearly everyone (even corpo Vtubers) use .... example for 3.) the Liking thing, which seems to be her liking Khyo and False
@@luxTenebris1It was about liking comments defaming the company and other livers in the company on her alt, I don’t think it’s related to Vtuber news channels.
@@Alici_Evans you don´t think and that´s the problem here
@@luxTenebris1 Wow, dude. I literally just explained what was EXACTLY stated. No need to be rude. But hey, if we can’t have a civilized discussion without you randomly insulting me-then I just won’t reply to any comments you make anymore. 🤷🏾♀️ Have a nice day.
This aged badly(1)
Can't believe that I insulted her badly a year ago, calling her a braindead. She was right all along. This didn't age well.
Tbf, most that knew her before debut knew she was a really nice gal. Sure that one joke was distasteful but we all make mistakes which she even admitted regret making.
Of course you insulted her and called her brain dead. Because you yourself was dead in the brain and ate up the corporate propaganda like a good little brainless sheep. Hopefully you opened your eyes a little and learned not to trust everything you see and hear before learning the full story.
Seems like Zaion just isn't a good fit for Niji. I still think she is a good person, but she seemed unwilling to adapt to being a corporate vtuber. I understand not wanting to feel stifled like that, but, then why the heck did she apply to Nijisanji?
If she redebuts on her indie account, I will watch. I'm assuming she will redebut, otherwise her actions in Niji make absolutely zero sense.
Probably because cover didnt accept her or probably almost no one else in the top 10 vtuber agencies were hiring
@@danielestrada3390
Alot of ppl have mentioned that she would be alot better off as an indie vtuber, and that obviously comes with the issues of starting out as one, but at least she wouldn't have to deal with a corporate leash.
And so considering alot of her 'oopsies' are related to regulations, being under ANY other agency doesn't seem like there would be much of a difference in her attitude towards rules.
@@probablyhateme idk if she thought of it this way, but my guess is that she started in nijisanji so that even if she goes indie, she would have considerable amounts of viewers from her time with nijisanji as compared to if she were to start as an indie.
@@probablyhateme or did she already have an account prior to joining nijisanji?
I heard she was a shotacon
Nice to get the reason, now we know that she kinda had it coming and wasn't one of those cases where you make a tiny one-time mistake and get obliterated.
Yea ... considering Livers are an investment, I am sure most companies don't terminate their livers over one or two mistakes unless it is some serious, long term ones.
In the end it was cuz of money and it way worse then working as iPhone promoter
Is she deserved it tho?
The sexual joke wasn't a big enough deal even when grouped with her other issues. However her other issues were a big enough problem that the company had to terminate her. The biggest being the illegal pirated games. That's something even indi streamers wouldn't do, because it could land them in hot water. Piracy is illegal period, and that was likely the deciding factor that pushed Niji over the edge. Well, that and revealing internal information, as well as falsely stating she was sponsored. These are damaging to the company itself, and is why she needed to go. Hopefully she learns from these mistakes if she ever goes independent. But given her inability to change for a large corporation, it's likely she'll wind up in a lawsuit at some point down the road for similar activities.
I don't know if it's okay to ask this but... what do mean by illegal pirated games?
@@angelinaxiong-yang3952likely game emulators I could definitely see that as a no go for corporate rules
@@Boyoyoable @Xanlee Game emulators are legal (well kinda, it is a bit of a grey area), if you buy your own cartridge (for example), and buy special hardware for rom dumping, you can make a copy for yourself (this is legal to do as long as you don't share it), if you then got permission to stream it (somehow, doubt any company would be friendly enough to let you do that) you could perfectly stream a game on a third party game emulator
Of course, as you can see doing this would be extremely complicated, but it would still be legal, the issue with emulation is that usually nobody bothers with making their own dumps and they just pirate (which yeah, I don't blame them)
So, the three things you listed:
Piracy: "I used to play romhacks."
Internal information: "We have perms for Hogwarts Legacy, but EN has been told to not play it because of the controversy."
False sponsorship: "This stream has been sponsored by Dee's Nuts."
Are these quotes someone should be terminated or sued for?
Now at the present. Kurosanji is a black company and she knows it well. That's why she didn't change. I'm not a ziaon fan but she know something that we don't at the time. And she handled it pretty well tbh.
I wonder how many of these are actually true considering anycolor's now proven penchant for lying about this kind of stuff.
This hasn’t aged well..
Niji needs better background checks on those they will employ to see if they match their standards and not waste money on models that will get used very little and thrown away
Oh sweet. My daily Niji drama, can't go one day without em
I really like Zaion model(Tsundere & Simpable) and voice it really match with her vtuber avatar. Sadly, despite the company tried to save her there's nothing they can't do if ever the person isn't compliant.
I really liked her model but that's all since I didn't watch her a lot, just during her debut and in clips. I'm glad niji gave us the reasons and it's really unfortunate
IF she debut as an indie and talk sh*t to niji based on her past behavior, they can sue her for defamation lol 😅
Bet?
Well it's other way around
I too, am sponsored by Deez Nuts
So she was a normal person. Good to know.
There's those Shotacon jokes too
I hope she doesn't decides to make something stupid after this. Unless the new fans that started “suportting” her after her suspension make something crazy. This year has only got wilder and wilder as moths pass by, let's if the major vtubers companies can get out of this one. I think is year would be the real test for the industry
Idk dude, I saw that on her previous life’s Twitch chat, somebody had asked when do they go to war and she said “Soon, my dear, soon.” So 🧍🏾♀️
Nah, only nijisanji take the L. Hololive keeps winning
@@harfi212 well this did not aged well.
@@Ayush-kc2vx lmao, yugoo, zaion, gundou, nina, mysta, the majority of niji id and their virtual school ?
Takumi want to buy another yacht
@@harfi212 i mean holo also lost 2 talantes recently. Magni and vesper
Hope the best for the girl but breaking rules of your workplace is not ideal.
I can see why zaion didn't make a move cuz she care about the talent in Nijisanji after selen drama every Nijisanji member got targeted with hate even tho selen(Dokibird) announce that don't target any of their talent or hate em it not the talents fault
SA? And people out here still supporting her. She's constantly lying and breaking rules/trust and she's not taking any responsibility.
She didn't commit SA, she made a joke and somebody got offended
@@leonrussell9607 making a 'joke' to a SA victim by saying "no wonder why you got SA'd" isn't really a joke m8. Even if it's just directed towards in game character, it still reflects how she would react to stuff like that in real life considering how unfiltered she is
Thank you! Finally someone with sense! Ridiculous these comments sympathize with her.
@@raviolibirb8009 it doesn't reflect how she would react to a real person at all, you all got offended for a fictional character
@@leonrussell9607 but, this statement did affect real people. many members agreed on how it made them severely uncomfortable and even hex stated that he found it extremely offensive
I feel like she would’ve been better as an indie or maybe not with Niji but rather pippa’s branch
although zaion did some pretty shitty things, half of those reasons are actually dumb and actually accidentals, mishaps, or miscommunication. If you’ve seen zaions point of view, for the false sponsorship, the false sponsors was “Dee’s Nuts” as a snack for a stream. For leaking, all her genmates were releasing theirs so she automatically thought I can do it too cause everyone else is. But no. That also happened with copyrighted songs. But yes the sex joke was a fat no no.
Ok now talk about Uki’s blatant racism
How did you mistaken a fucking Deez nuts for actual sponsorship!?
She is entertaining and fun to watch, but I also witnessed some red flags from her streams, It doesn't bother me but I understand where the Agency stands in this case.
I saw someone else report on this and I kind of took it with a grain of salt thinking it may be some cancel culture thing as I'd never watched the vtuber, but after hearing it in more detail here I get it. My goodness...
I seen VTubers terminated for less than this. How was she around for so long with those bucket list of strikes?
She wasn't "around so long" she was only around for a month before suspension
Seems that someone just willy nilly signed a contract without reading it, or just plain ol ignorant of it and just do whatever she wants.
I only got to know her after she was temporarily suspended (at the time). But would love to see her debut again as an indie or in a different company.
a straight to the point vid, thank you
Whenever I hear people talking about Doki, they're talking about Doki. Whenever I hear people talking about Sayu, they talk about drama. I find that a little ironic because one was probably the hardest worker at Anycolor and got fired the very millisecond she was suspected of being a liablity, while the other was fired after three months only because she proved too difficult to work or negotiate with.
Oh, and she was one of the clique's nepotism hires, which is why she didn't get fired sooner. You all knew that part, right?
1:03 kinda make sense... Nijisanji probably didn't fund game for their talents
I liked her personality and even the way she speaked, so energetic, at this point i think it was on purpose to be fired but who knows but i hope she returns under a new name to RUclips or other platforms
She’s acting very selfish. I wished she didn’t join nijisanji and instead started on her own if she doesn’t like listening to her coworkers/bosses. Her actions would be liable on herself but she affected innocent livers with unnecessary drama and attitude in private.
Welp... maybe she is just not for Nijisanji. I do hope people redirect me to her if she has an older account and I seem to see in some comments she is just going back to it. Thnx in advance.
It's very easy to find specially because she had a sizeable community but if anyone feels lazy
Sayu Okami
Any sort of reason is better than none. Real fans will not blame her as fans always forgive. Haters will just drop hate and go anyway. At least fans know why the good time has to end, and for F-sake it hopefully not gonna hit Anycolor price even more. Fans will support her anywhere she goes.
Why are these comments felling bad for zaion?? She used an alt account and liked posts that hate/defamed on other livers, literally jokes about se*ual as*ault, lied to her co workers and gen mates. Why the sympathy?? If anything It should go towards xsoleil and finana they’ve been affected by this the most
That’s what’s bothering me in this whole comment section they’re all feeling bad for her but she’s literally lied to her coworkers and company liked comments that That involve people talking shit And saying mean things about her coworkers and even when they told her multiple times to stop making sexual jokes about liking little boys She deliberately still kept doing it, and when she got fired, she took advantage and manipulated Finana who considers her as a friend Like this woman does not deserve sympathy she deserves to get fired, and to be hated
@@Vartis1270 welp, youre the definition of a close minded individual who gulps anything up and take anything as 100% truth without even looking but sure, believe in a company with 0 credibility and in spineless gutless cowards who decided to talk trash about someone online when this person already got terminated and cant defend herself or else she will get sued. The fact is, that you have no critical thinking and believe in their „we cared sooo much about her but she was soooo bad” card so naively when they didnt had the guts to open their mouths and call of the harassment of Zaion (if they cared soooo much, they would have), which started since her suspension but unlike her „colleagues” Ren had to do that. That youre that kind of person who supports hate aka harassment in several social media plattforms and doxxing proves a lot mindless drone. And when you have a pair of eyes and look in her comment section where she liked the supposedly defaming comments in her alt account then you will see that this acusation is a huge stretch there bud, stop talking like a guy without a head, its not a good look.
@@FantasiephilosophRaku How they treated her is irrelevant. You dont go out on a revenge campaign against your employer and dox your co workers just because you get mad. If she felt she was wronged she should have walked away or took them to court.
@@functionatthejunction „revenge campaign” aka self defense due to the companys actions and please amuse me with that rat about doxxing bro.
aye, despite all the hate she got, zaion's rebel persona was so cool xD. still a fan mwuhahaha, come y'all, spam against me if you got time and stuff (cuz, let's be honest, if you read my comment this far, you're as bored as I am, so yeahhh partyyy timeee)
Fr fr
her humor wasn’t very funny nor were her streams honestly.. she was the only nijimember i didn’t stay subscribed to and now i learn that her contract is suspended- wow
THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T SEE HER ANYMORE WTF
Well,I like Zaion very much but it is bad to unfollow your company rules.
Anyone know what her new account is now?
Some people saying they don't understand niji fans. They say would fans bash and push their livers. Like the fans bashing on zaion. Like duh, if like this, who would stay with the liver? Fans know what good and bad. So we won't defend for people that did bad even if we like them. Bad is bad no matter who you are. She given opportunity to change but she push it so we cannot help. Those fans that blindly supporting even when someone is bad is concerning.
Bad considering from the dogpiling Hex and Finana did and the character assasination Ninji did with their list, which they did the same thing towards the vtuber who made a baseball tweet? The company take an L after another and has 0 credibility in their words, I wouldnt take sides so blindly bud.
@@FantasiephilosophRaku ok, Zaion simp
@@mikusmom Ok, Ninji simp
Yeah that's why the company is under fire
Thats an easy side for nijisanji. She seemed a not trustable enough and breaked rules despite knowing them.
Now I want to know what her previous avatar was?
Everything sounds cool to me, but Nijisanji just have a poor managment with big L
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she should come back
I don't give a fck, but damn that's a lot.
What if they should just fire the employee instead of the avatar itself? They could do what Kizuna Ai cannot finding a new person behind it
I think the community wouldn't accept that
And like with Kizuna Ai, people would riot and their reputation will tank.
Idk, i find that a little off-putting and weird personally. Regardless of Zaion's bad behavior, it would be like "Oh well then all of these models are a waste then, let's recast!" when some graduate. XSoleil still has plenty of talents that are probably more deserving of attention. It would be more fitting to just focus on the talents that are still there than a replacement or a double for the model.
I'm in the opinion of not re-using old avatars, since it comes with the baggage that you don't want.
That won't work, her old fans won't want that, nijisanji won't want that and even the replacement person won't want that. It's a lose/lose for everyone.
Unrelated, what game was that at the beginning?
It's called slipstream
i didnt like her dark humor jokes as it was not funny and i am thankful that nijisanji gave the reason why she was terminated instead of just saying yea your terminated because if they did not show the reason there would be people trying to justify her without knowing what was the reason im just glad she isnt here to continue those acts with all due respect i am thankful she has been terminated
Don't worried NijiSanji will terminate themselves next
Oof. She was fun but rules are rules.
whats the game on the video called?
It's called slipstream
@@venandr ty
Whats the game tho
It's called slipstream
It felt like they enter the company only to screw things up..
All of those hard work for the model, lore, her seat of an EN Niji is wasted to someone who doesn't learn or listen...
Edit: Oh, how can I be so wrong.
So blinded to support a black company.
I was a fool believing they are even learning.
Zaion sure did some few things but she was right all along.
All my intention of supporting that dirt bag of a company is gone.
It aged so badly that I can only see disgust of myself trying to protect this undefendable thing.
Nah
@@panduvandal It didn't go well..
All of my intention to support the company, POOF.
Gone.
Fk Nijisanji. Hope it burns.
But majority of them do that so ????
I hope this ain't what you meant are you saying someone has broken EVERY RULE ON THAT LIST and gotten away with it? idk about that bro
@@JoelTheOne Yeah, Idk what they mean because other people who broke some of those rules had to talk to management too.
What's the game in the background?
Slip stream
@@zagurazexoe4357 cool thanks
what is her indie ?
interesting.....but what game is this tho?
It's called slip stream and it's really fun!
FINALLY
she's a holofan and she was conducting one man operation to cause chaos in nijisanji
she is still goin
She did a whole colony drop on them
😂
Zaion's counterattack moment
I don't intent to help Sayu in any way, because I have my own reasons as to why she said some things that are unacceptable, even if they are accounted for. But I won't be the one to rally a raid against her. She suffered and is still suffering for it. I'm not the one doing it, I won't make it better for anyone harassing her, not will I make it better for her. Some things have worse consequences than others. So I will just watch.
The avatar ☺️ the person 💀
What game is that?
It's called slipstream
The way they worded "training about compliance" feels like they were talking about giving behavioral training to a pet, this seems like it's the fault of both sides, Zaion for not even trying to fit, and Niji for not even trying to work with her ( I know they said they did... but that was to look pretty in the overall picture).
They dog pilled so many reasons on her (some extremely stupid and most have been broken by many other livers) just for the sake of it (at some point they were blaming her of shareholder problems and accusing her of being sponsored when that was clearly a joke...)
But seeing that long list really shows she just wasn't fit for the corporate world, and the corporate world wasn't fit for her, overall this is the best result she can now re debut as an indie vtuber and will probably find much more sucess.
You don't joke about being sponsored when you work for a corporate VTuber company. None of the other Niji members are dumb enough to risk harming the brand doing that. And as far as other companies go, you ever notice that Hololive always makes sure they list all the legitimate sponsors, or rights to play a game, and collect revenue for streaming it, and all the permissions that came with it?
These aren't independent streamers that can joke around, and not end up in court for a joke. Corporate sponsored Tubers however can end up in court, and likely would if the company they joked was sponsoring them, took legal action for false claims.
People always mention how other livers broke the same rules as her, but there’s one thing to remember: they were told by management afterwords to no longer do that, and she was too-yet she didn’t listen. Not to management, not to her genmates, not to anyone. Plus she got all the rules broken by other livers in a month, whilst they did over a spanned out period of time.
@@Alici_Evans Taking their word after all of Nijisanjis misdeeds and the dogpile, which caused harassment and doxxing you are pretty naive.
@@FantasiephilosophRaku Did I say that she deserves harassment and doxxing? No, because she shouldn’t get that. I dislike what she did, but I don’t think she should be doxxed. Does she need to at least admit what she did? Yes. You don’t have to believe the livers, that’s up to you, because I’m not going to believe a woman who directly said that she likes little boys and not men 🤷🏾♀️
It was purely Zaion's fault. Anyone saying it's Nijisanji's fault is a Zaion simp.
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I have to side with Niji on this one.
Not only did she break all those rules, but she refused to change her ways even after she was given another chance. She deserved to be terminated.
She returns and this time people is Going up against Nijisanji and now all of a sudden The majority of everyone is backing her up since she finally posted something on Twitter about how the company treated her terribly.
@@charlesspencer1190 Oh that'll be interesting 😑
Bad timing
@@Gilsao157 yeah
Ooof
Why are people defending her now? Its not like she didnt do these things.
I think that both side is neither right nor wrong. Managment didn't treat her fairly but she didn't abide by their standards. A few jokes were fine and managment being stuck up with her but she did make some jokes that didn't sit well. Plus she didn't come to an understanding with managment or her gen mates. Personally again, I don't think either side was right or wrong.
Your comment aged like fish lol (aka worse than milk).
@@xjakanton2576 She still did those things though. Ninj's current situation doesn't somehow rewrite history. Also, their mishandling of the situation also doesn't automatically make Selen innocent of any of the things she was accused of doing either.
Dont be so quick to believe that either side is wholly innocent. You will find that's seldom the case in life and especially in business.
Ninji being a poorly ran company doesn't necessarily make all of its talent helpless victims who have done no wrong.
@@functionatthejunction Yeah. But as it turns out most of the accusations were extremely blown out of proportions or only half true.
Look it up. It sucks
@@xjakanton2576 Ninji's mishandling of legal documents and their little organized smear campaign against hosted by their other livers did me with them. Whatever Selen / Doki might have did, that action by Ninji crossed the line. They are no longer professionals dealing with an employee, they are being petty and childish.
people are getting cancelled for the typa shit i do everyday with my boys 💀
Yes because obviously no one watch you and your boys unlike vtuber you won't get into drama in the internet 😒
There's a reason you're not an agency vtuber.
Sounds like a load of bullshit to me tbh. That said, she probably just wasn’t a good fit for the company in the end.
It's not bunch of bullcrap, her genmates already stated about it
@@alvinjan3486 yeah they did and from what I see she's not a good person
@@alvinjan3486 when “lied about being sponsored on stream” is a Raid Shadow Legends joke, then yeah I’d say it’s a bunch of bull. And considering her Gen mates actually want to stay in the company, I don’t know why you would take their word for it either. Especially considering how they all had tweeted about looking forward to her coming back around the time of her suspension.
I don't think any of this is BS. If they just want to get away with ease just the fact that she using multiple IP without permission already justify her termination. The other reasons might be listed to make a clear public statement about traits that undesirable and will no longer tolerated after dealing with this one talent.
@@TheJum they never had to address it to begin with, and some has disagreed with some of the reasons openly.
But the main ones aren't really bull. Her breaking contract talking shit on fellow members, lying to fellow members, lying about management. Lying about having the ability to play certain games, playing games she didn't get permission to, and openly talking about pirating multiple games, is bad when you're apart of a company.
And even if it was a joke saying that you are being sponsored when you aren't still is badly reflected on the company.
And they were excited about her coming back as she wasn't terminated until she went and started immaturely liking every comment that she could find that shits on her fellow livers, and nijisanji. And talked even worse about them.
She was originally going through discipline, but was bitter and got herself fired.which she herself was aware of. And the nijimembers became aware of more recently, you know when she switched her status to revival, on her past account.
Lmao
Terminator: You're Terminated
This aged badly (5)
What is the game in the background?
It's called slipstream