Love the weekly how to win at chess on Sundays. I know he mentioned the views are less, but this is some of my favorite content from him. I watch this series on repeat.
Happens all the time. When he is certain he plays a machine in a format like rapid 5 minutes, he has won several games by playing so defensively that the machine loses on time. Quite a feat, really!
400 elo chess is full of blunders. to become 800 elo all you have to do is focus on not giving away pieces for free. let your opponent make the mistakes and punish them.
Great stuff again. I appreciate how you don't edit out games you're not happy with. Also, with regards to the theme of the series, the games show how to win, even if on occasion it's your opponent, or when the position gets to the point where one should see a draw as a win. As much as those may hurt, they are instructive; maybe sometimes even more as you can explain what you were thinking, and what you missed, when the game goes awry! It's all part of the plan after all. :)
Gotham, i come here in my grandma's account to thank you for my whole evolution at chess. I began studying it at 2022, being a 800 who just playes casually. Now i'm 2000 and can finally say: i did it sir
Not too long ago I remember hearing some refer to Levy as "GM candidate" instead of 'IM'. The way he is announcing this game makes me think he is pursuing a GM title! He definitely deserves it in my eyes! Even if he doesn't get the norm in traditional ways... his understanding of Elo is unique AND warranted! Plus I rather hear Levy commentate a chess game over Yasser Seirawan! With ALL RESPECT TO YASSER!!! I want to see the popularity of chess progress! Levy isn't Magnus or Hikaru or Danya OR Kramnik! Levy is the hero of chess we need right now! GO GM Levy Rozman!!!
my fav series! this one was super informative for the lower level players that have those blunders and misses majority of their games :D thank you for keeping that in and showing how to recover/hold a position
The C4 trick for whites benefit was obvious that the next move was a pawn push with a discovered check , winning the Queen. I’m close to 1500 and I saw that move in half a second. However, seeing why C4 immediately lost the game for white, wasn’t obvious. The only winning move for black is the move Levy played. Black gets like a +4 advantage and just wins the game at Levy’s level. If not, white wins the black queen on the next move.. just completely winning the game on their end.
I played my first tournament at the age of 10 when I was 800 elo, I had a 7 year old as my duo, His score was 5-0 and mine was 2-3. He demolished the entire tournament. After that I quit chess for 3 years and came back after watching your videos and now I now have a rating of 1500(I am 14.5 years old). Thank you for always uploading free videos! I am now in high school and can't play much chess because of studies but the journey of my improvement in chess with you will always remain in my heart!!
Very good idea 💡 to start with the best players. I wonder why you didn't think of that earlier. Its obviously the way to go. Please don't stop making this series. It's the only series I religiously watch.
At 1:39:31 I think your opponent had a nice idea to play pawn takes knight f6 and after QxQb3, the opponent can play pawn f7 threatening Rh3 mate. You would still be winning but you would have to sac your bishop on f6 to allow whites king to escape to g7( if RxBf6 then white can play Re1+ leading to mate. If PxRe8 then white can take back with rook and be up the exchange). Good luck on becoming GM levy!
@ 1:34:48 I understand it would be great to take black's white square bishop, but why not exchange it for knight, instead of Levy's excellent light squared bishop?
36:52 Qh7+ is completely winning for black. Not sure if anyone else has said it already, just thought I would since Levy didn’t see it. Engine actually says it’s Mate in 10.
Levy you’re still a truly wonderful coach. Would love to see some more common openings, like just play the open Sicilian instead of a3. Titled players never want to get into a theory battle with lower ranked but those are the lines we the viewers see and play so much and would be helpful. A bit more E4 E5 to see all the Italian and Spanish and scotch lines. Thank you for what you do.
I like how Levy takes my mind for a walk through the chess landscape when he plays these games, nothing stressful, it's all a learning developmental experience
gotham do it like you start with the best, then go down to the worst, then back up to the best. you get multiple games within the same elo range and you will be more fresh throughout. And... most importantly... MORE CONTENT!!!! Love you gotham my brother x
This series is really helpful. I have not really played a lot of games, but the mid-game ideas really help me a lot (although I still fall into traps like being forked etc lol)
33:44 I’m still new in chess, but why wouldn’t you want to fork the queen and rook? Wouldn’t it put pressure on the queen making it move away and then you’d be able to take rook with pawn.
1300 aren't as dumb (Bad) as you think Levy! tactic at 27:03 wasn't too crazy, especially for 1500. I think tactically, 1200-1500 are 'strong' (least for their level). Positional play is what's difficult. My tactic rating is like 2100
I gotta say, the draw with the 2200 was well thought out, I had a similar situation with my last game where it was just luck and felt the same way you did there. Hurt my eyes haha. We learnin XD
I like how you opted taking the knight going a piece up and just going about winning the game after that a good game by your opponent but a way better game by you especially the endgame Grabbing that passed pawn after threatening checkmate with your rook and knight that worked out so Great
At 37:02 I think there is a forcing line to win a rook with the Qa2+, which doesn’t take too long to calculate. I might be wrong, but it seems like the king can be pushed away from protecting the rook, which in few moves would be taken at e2 by the queen. I gotta run the engine to check that
Yup, I was right, the Qa2+ move here is the winner. The line actually is even more brutal with the checkmate being delivered: 34... Qa2+ 35. Re2 Rf3+ 36. Ke1 Qa1+ 37. Kd2 Rd3+ 38. Kc2 Qa2+ 39. Qb2 Qc4+ 40. Kb1 Rd1+ 41. Qc1 Rxc1+ 42. Kb2 QC3+ 43. Ka2 Ra1# Still, Levy showed an instructive trade that leads to a winning endgame. Thank you so much for the content, your chess helps me see such lines ❤
Love watching you play and explain everything... i kniw how to play chess, though I'm not great and continue to imcrease my knowledge to become better. You make this look so easy.
Got 4 of your courses. Definitely the money’s worth. I just finished Caro but I’ll give it another onceover before redoing tactics mc. Then I’ll tackle endgame mc that’s really advanced stuff.
@@sorablank9954 yeah and once is not enough to get all those courses can offer. Its a good idea to get 3-4 of them and then put on repeat for a while, but in alternation. And you may want to complete middlegames before Caro. It’ll help you understand the ideas of Caro course better. And @GothamChess, cover Ruy Lopez and king’s Indian please! I’ll get them as soon as you put them up!
That was a great episode Levy thanks ! I really enjoyed when you explained the finishing skills with the 2 queens. I think you could make a whole video on chess finishing skills especially for blitz. Sure people can teach you openings and tactics and strategies and matting patterns and pawn play, but finishing skills, that's what wins games especially blitz and bullet games. I forget some of these finishing techniques especially in low time. I cant seem to think of many chess content out there on finishing skills... sure knight and bishop but there's a whole lot more finishing skills out there. How well do you know them all ? Thanks Gotham... " FINISH HIM "
You are a Metal Slug God! Impressive performance! I was shocked by how you killed the final boss. I beat this game with 1cc but on lv-4. I gotta learn how to finish it on lv-8. A whole different story lol kudos, my friend! You are The Master! 👏🏼
27:30 if you would’ve taken the pawn at b4 you lock down either two rooks or a queen and a rook. I think it’s a good move because it applies pressure and usually that leads to poor decisions.
"only for today" "how to get better at chess forever" "bad. bad. bad. bad. bad." That's a lot of titles and I don't understand the thought process but Levy has 2 billion times more subscribers and videos than me so pop off, king.
I really love these episodes, Levy. Thank you for the content and your commitment I had stopped playing chess for 2 years but your videos motivated me to start again. My grandfather taught me how to play it when I was a kid, so it reminds me of him🥰 By the way, there’s a possibility you have allergy that’s why you sneeze a lot. Your nose looks red as well which also supports my theory (not a freak just a doctor 😇)
StarrPlatinum is excellent player (19:38 - 43:03). That stale mate possibility was ingenious. But these are the draw-backs of rapid play. You don't have time to see such moves.
I don't really understand the benefit of Gotham playing suboptimally, because "that's what an amateur player would do". I'd much rather see him playing the best moves and explain them. Just my opinion
No offense, Levy, but 2200s aren’t watching your videos to get better. If they’re watching you, it’s for the humor. There’s no reason to go above 2000 in this series
I always look at how many decor items u have on that one little table- i think it would look really great if you hung some of them on the wall instead! Less cluttered + we could see them all more easily
![Noob To Max With DRAGON REWORK In Blox Fruits [FULL MOVIE]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/LnBMOinoOvA/mqdefault.jpg)
i opened this youtube account just to comment to gotham that he should quit uploading those clickbait videos
Shame of pin
PIN OF SHAME
SIN OF PHAME
But you made this account 3 years ago
Shame of pin
1:18 - 19:38: Benko Gambit, GothamChess (W, 2442) - iEatR0CKS (B, 1118)
19:38 - 43:03: Scandinavian Defense, GothamChess (B, 2442) - StarrPlatinum (W, 1517)
43:03 - 1:04:46: Sicilian Defense, GothamChess (W, 2442) - PhormalPhallusy (B, 1702)
1:05:38 (1:06:32) - 1:26:19: London Opening, GothamChess (W, 2442) - gmdavv (B, 2203)
1:26:20 - 1:42:53: Modern Defense with d4, GothamChess (B, 2442) - Pepega (W, 1822)
What a gentleman. Thank you for this
Thanks.
themks dude
Who are you?
Thanks pookie
Love the weekly how to win at chess on Sundays. I know he mentioned the views are less, but this is some of my favorite content from him. I watch this series on repeat.
I like how the 1100 player is playing the Benko gambit one of the hardest openings to learn and master
Agreed.. it's complex yet he did his best..
that is, in the long run, probably going to pay off for him
Levy is giving the "only for you my friend" Vibe from the course disounts
Cool it with the anti semitism.
The first guy played very well for an 1100
Was it you?
He was using an engine so he didn’t look stupid. Then he “collapses” like a regular 1100.
@@lateniteboredyou're just mad because he's better then you kid
@@lateniteboredno there’s some 1100s who know ton of theory
If he was using an engine wos not have lost the knight @@latenitebored
16:42 Levy: Stop playing hope chess.
Also Levy: Let’s see if my opponent sees it.
just in case gotham changes it the original title was "ONLY FOR TODAY!!!!!!!!!"
"ONLY FOR TODAY!!!!!!", 6 exclamation marks
Part 2 ruclips.net/video/FPwuLfdJdDM/видео.html
@jankkhvej434 yeah. What a blunder
Here before this goes viral.
It is still that
I won 4 matches with 89.9 % accuracy avg felt like i am king of world went to tournament lost now crying
dam
Yeah something similar happened to me. Seriously depressing shit
@@ThatOneJesusAddict i am levy's regular viewer and i am sad because he dont make any video like top 10 tactics
Try to get the opening consistent.
Got me 300 points
@@Mr_CyberCookie i tried bruh i am 1700 from 1 year its like stagnant i win 4 matches then lose four
I'm kinda impressed that no one ever tried to cheat against Levy in a "How to win at Chess"
people totally do
Happens all the time. When he is certain he plays a machine in a format like rapid 5 minutes, he has won several games by playing so defensively that the machine loses on time. Quite a feat, really!
there's one instance of someone cheating against levy in how to win at chess, it was a 2000 elo who later got banned, and lost to time against levy
It's happened. Also on his rating climbs
There’s one episode where a 900 plays better than all of his other opponents. Sketchy play
"lowest elo of around 1100-1200" ... me watching this as a 400 elo :(
400 elo chess is full of blunders. to become 800 elo all you have to do is focus on not giving away pieces for free. let your opponent make the mistakes and punish them.
do quizzes, learn the basics of an opening and basic tactics (pins, skewers, forks, discovered attacks) and play longer (15 min+) games
me watching it as someone hardstuck on elo 1000-12000 for about a year now🥶
Great stuff again. I appreciate how you don't edit out games you're not happy with. Also, with regards to the theme of the series, the games show how to win, even if on occasion it's your opponent, or when the position gets to the point where one should see a draw as a win. As much as those may hurt, they are instructive; maybe sometimes even more as you can explain what you were thinking, and what you missed, when the game goes awry! It's all part of the plan after all. :)
This is a beautiful opinion of
yours, thank you for appreciating GothamChess as much as I do
Gotham, i come here in my grandma's account to thank you for my whole evolution at chess. I began studying it at 2022, being a 800 who just playes casually. Now i'm 2000 and can finally say: i did it sir
1:22
That laugh 💀
The series was about Levy having hard times vs low rated players and man, he had it and man, we had fun.
Not too long ago I remember hearing some refer to Levy as "GM candidate" instead of 'IM'. The way he is announcing this game makes me think he is pursuing a GM title! He definitely deserves it in my eyes! Even if he doesn't get the norm in traditional ways... his understanding of Elo is unique AND warranted!
Plus I rather hear Levy commentate a chess game over Yasser Seirawan! With ALL RESPECT TO YASSER!!! I want to see the popularity of chess progress! Levy isn't Magnus or Hikaru or Danya OR Kramnik!
Levy is the hero of chess we need right now! GO GM Levy Rozman!!!
1:13:07 i love how both of them missed Na5 which just traps the queen in one move
😂
exact thing I was wondering and I came to comments soon as both just missed it
1:20 Guys chill, he was just eating rocks, don't make fun of him.
my fav series! this one was super informative for the lower level players that have those blunders and misses majority of their games :D thank you for keeping that in and showing how to recover/hold a position
2nd title was How To Win at Chess FOREVER
this is my favorite series, so glad that you're back to posting these regularly 🙏🙏
I'm like 90% sure that the 1500 had no idea that c4 had any tricks, and about 75% sure that the 1700 didn't see the trick after h5
The C4 trick for whites benefit was obvious that the next move was a pawn push with a discovered check , winning the Queen. I’m close to 1500 and I saw that move in half a second. However, seeing why C4 immediately lost the game for white, wasn’t obvious. The only winning move for black is the move Levy played. Black gets like a +4 advantage and just wins the game at Levy’s level. If not, white wins the black queen on the next move.. just completely winning the game on their end.
Bought your book recently and even though i consider myself a pretty seasoned well rounded chess player I enjoyed it a lot! Cheers
You mean you bought.. The boooook!!!
I played my first tournament at the age of 10 when I was 800 elo, I had a 7 year old as my duo, His score was 5-0 and mine was 2-3. He demolished the entire tournament. After that I quit chess for 3 years and came back after watching your videos and now I now have a rating of 1500(I am 14.5 years old). Thank you for always uploading free videos! I am now in high school and can't play much chess because of studies but the journey of my improvement in chess with you will always remain in my heart!!
at this point i just watch anything he throws out there😂
Levy’s Good I didn’t follow for awhile usually only Agadmator and Epic Chess but I like a lot of Levy’s Content and his personality
Need to name this episode, "How to draw at chess"
1:13:18 Na5 queen trap? And then you loose your knight for compensation??
I was deployed and too busy for the last 6 months to really watch levy or play chess, I am even more terrible than I already was. I missed you Levy.
i missed you too
It happens just don't get discouraged remember we play chess cause we think it's fun
Thank you for your service
Don’t other guys where you’re at play chess ♟️
Stop serving ZOG.
My dad wants you to stop posting chess videos because he said “He is getting to hard to beat”
"I'm not going to let my opponent have fun" the general sentiment I feel goes through everyone who plays head hahs
What goes on in the head of a control player...
I love it when you show your struggles with chess... makes me feel better for always throwing my phone after every game...
Very good idea 💡 to start with the best players. I wonder why you didn't think of that earlier. Its obviously the way to go.
Please don't stop making this series. It's the only series I religiously watch.
Did levy just hang his queen, Na5 in 1:13:14 position.
yeah he did but no one saw lol
Levy never does push ups for likes
At 1:39:31 I think your opponent had a nice idea to play pawn takes knight f6 and after QxQb3, the opponent can play pawn f7 threatening Rh3 mate. You would still be winning but you would have to sac your bishop on f6 to allow whites king to escape to g7( if RxBf6 then white can play Re1+ leading to mate. If PxRe8 then white can take back with rook and be up the exchange). Good luck on becoming GM levy!
37:00 If you gave a check with the queen before taking the rook wouldn't it have been a free rook?
@ 1:34:48 I understand it would be great to take black's white square bishop, but why not exchange it for knight, instead of Levy's excellent light squared bishop?
36:52 Qh7+ is completely winning for black. Not sure if anyone else has said it already, just thought I would since Levy didn’t see it. Engine actually says it’s Mate in 10.
*Qa7+ my bad
**Qa2+ 😂 can’t get my squares straight
Levy never fails to fill me up with 102 mins of educational content
😂
I like the idea of playing stronger opponents first. Or splitting up the games over two sessions. Love the series.
Levy you’re still a truly wonderful coach. Would love to see some more common openings, like just play the open Sicilian instead of a3. Titled players never want to get into a theory battle with lower ranked but those are the lines we the viewers see and play so much and would be helpful. A bit more E4 E5 to see all the Italian and Spanish and scotch lines. Thank you for what you do.
This series is my favourite thanks, i binged it when i started chess and boosted my elo
I like how Levy takes my mind for a walk through the chess landscape when he plays these games, nothing stressful, it's all a learning developmental experience
the fact that Levy hasn’t played the Logic bots yet is a big red flag. 🚩
😂😂😂
Levy never fails to hold a draw when dead lost🎉
Heyyy gotham please keep uploading these win at chess videos i find them super duper helpful!!
gotham do it like you start with the best, then go down to the worst, then back up to the best. you get multiple games within the same elo range and you will be more fresh throughout. And... most importantly... MORE CONTENT!!!! Love you gotham my brother x
1:13:18 Ka5 traps the queen
This series is really helpful. I have not really played a lot of games, but the mid-game ideas really help me a lot (although I still fall into traps like being forked etc lol)
I love how the first guy doesn't see the double fork as an 1100 but I stg my opponent sees that 9/10 times at 500 ELO
You stg? What does it mean?
@@yanair2091swear to god
@@yanair2091 Swear to god
Swear to God @@yanair2091
Love the how to win at chess series and respect that even if you lose or draw you take it well and still post it. Pls keep doing this series
I won 11 straight game last night to reach 1326 rating using Gotham course
Hey Gotham, it would be good to know the game review rating for you, proving or helping you know that you did play like a 1100 or 1500 or not
Please don’t stop the Sunday uploads I love this series
Thank you for bringing this series back Levy
Thank you Levy for your content! I just started to play chess and the way you explain every move is fascinating. Thank you again!
33:44 I’m still new in chess, but why wouldn’t you want to fork the queen and rook? Wouldn’t it put pressure on the queen making it move away and then you’d be able to take rook with pawn.
the giggle at 1:20 is the best thing ever
1300 aren't as dumb (Bad) as you think Levy! tactic at 27:03 wasn't too crazy, especially for 1500. I think tactically, 1200-1500 are 'strong' (least for their level). Positional play is what's difficult. My tactic rating is like 2100
0:26:59 that discord ping confused the heck outta me. why bro
I gotta say, the draw with the 2200 was well thought out, I had a similar situation with my last game where it was just luck and felt the same way you did there. Hurt my eyes haha. We learnin XD
I like how you opted taking the knight going a piece up and just going about winning the game after that a good game by your opponent but a way better game by you especially the endgame Grabbing that passed pawn after threatening checkmate with your rook and knight that worked out so Great
At 1:13:24 against the 2200, it looks like he had your Q trapped by playing Na5. Correct?
Edit: I see that you found it in the postgame.
37:00 i think the best move was queen to a2 pushing the white king outta the trade
"My brain just gets fried after staring at the screen for 90 minutes" Next time start with the rating 2200-1200
At 37:02 I think there is a forcing line to win a rook with the Qa2+, which doesn’t take too long to calculate. I might be wrong, but it seems like the king can be pushed away from protecting the rook, which in few moves would be taken at e2 by the queen.
I gotta run the engine to check that
Yup, I was right, the Qa2+ move here is the winner. The line actually is even more brutal with the checkmate being delivered: 34... Qa2+ 35. Re2 Rf3+ 36. Ke1 Qa1+ 37. Kd2 Rd3+ 38. Kc2 Qa2+ 39. Qb2 Qc4+ 40. Kb1 Rd1+ 41. Qc1 Rxc1+ 42. Kb2
QC3+ 43. Ka2 Ra1#
Still, Levy showed an instructive trade that leads to a winning endgame. Thank you so much for the content, your chess helps me see such lines ❤
He is so freaking good at chess. You're the man Levy
Love watching you play and explain everything... i kniw how to play chess, though I'm not great and continue to imcrease my knowledge to become better. You make this look so easy.
Thank you for still making this series!
37:00 Qa2, game over but levy didnt find that😅
so im not crazy
15 really good moves then all of a sudden “what have I done?!” Perfectly describes my play style.
I like how you know that you have to take on Checkers. That's how my dad plays, but none of my friends growing up thought it was a real rule.
yesterday it was "ONLY FOR TODAY!!!!!!!!!" and today it is "Bad. Bad. Bad. Bad. Bad. Bad. Bad."
this has become my new favorite series especially watching these while fasting
Got 4 of your courses. Definitely the money’s worth. I just finished Caro but I’ll give it another onceover before redoing tactics mc. Then I’ll tackle endgame mc that’s really advanced stuff.
I personally got the caro and middle games courses, haven’t finished the caro course but so far it’s been super insightful. Definitely worth the money
@@sorablank9954 yeah and once is not enough to get all those courses can offer. Its a good idea to get 3-4 of them and then put on repeat for a while, but in alternation.
And you may want to complete middlegames before Caro. It’ll help you understand the ideas of Caro course better.
And @GothamChess, cover Ruy Lopez and king’s Indian please! I’ll get them as soon as you put them up!
28:01 i thought you had an idea but you just captured back
on 11:41 y not play Ka4 in this case you first attack queen but also cover pawn am i wrong here if so help.
Playing the toughest opponent first might be better for future episodes? Fresh mind is so strong
This 1100 has to be the best prepared 1100 in the world. Insanely good opening for 1100
That was a great episode Levy thanks ! I really enjoyed when you explained the finishing skills with the 2 queens. I think you could make a whole video on chess finishing skills especially for blitz. Sure people can teach you openings and tactics and strategies and matting patterns and pawn play, but finishing skills, that's what wins games especially blitz and bullet games. I forget some of these finishing techniques especially in low time. I cant seem to think of many chess content out there on finishing skills... sure knight and bishop but there's a whole lot more finishing skills out there. How well do you know them all ? Thanks Gotham... " FINISH HIM "
Levy never fails to have seen that move.
Normal people seeing a 2200 be like who is this beast ?
Hikaru : who is this random ?
You are a Metal Slug God! Impressive performance! I was shocked by how you killed the final boss. I beat this game with 1cc but on lv-4. I gotta learn how to finish it on lv-8. A whole different story lol kudos, my friend! You are The Master! 👏🏼
I would love a montage of every time he’s said “and my opponent is not in live chat/ online/ ready” 😂
Gotham could you make more Vienna game content, love the Vienna, u introduced me to it tbh, but I wanna learn more
50:33 i mean if you tell me that you have a course on an opening that ends up in such position i ain't buying that brother
27:30 if you would’ve taken the pawn at b4 you lock down either two rooks or a queen and a rook. I think it’s a good move because it applies pressure and usually that leads to poor decisions.
"only for today"
"how to get better at chess forever"
"bad. bad. bad. bad. bad."
That's a lot of titles and I don't understand the thought process but Levy has 2 billion times more subscribers and videos than me so pop off, king.
The title was Also briefly “how to win at chess FOREVER”
22:34 I did that in a 950 game. Then they later ignored my queen's diagonal.
today's title - "ONLY FOR TODAY!!!"
Touché Levy
53:39 If i was with black,i woulda played long castle. Is something wromg with that?
1:24:31 if I'm right, Kc3 is a treat and the queen can scape eventually
I really love these episodes, Levy. Thank you for the content and your commitment
I had stopped playing chess for 2 years but your videos motivated me to start again. My grandfather taught me how to play it when I was a kid, so it reminds me of him🥰
By the way, there’s a possibility you have allergy that’s why you sneeze a lot.
Your nose looks red as well which also supports my theory (not a freak just a doctor 😇)
at 8:32 why is knight e4 not the best move targeting back pawn?
before you moved the bishop
StarrPlatinum is excellent player (19:38 - 43:03).
That stale mate possibility was ingenious. But these are the draw-backs of rapid play. You don't have time to see such moves.
@25:48 Mrs Gotham texting Levy to ask if he started dinner yet
me actively checking discord
levy: sorry that was my discord
I don't really understand the benefit of Gotham playing suboptimally, because "that's what an amateur player would do".
I'd much rather see him playing the best moves and explain them.
Just my opinion
No offense, Levy, but 2200s aren’t watching your videos to get better. If they’re watching you, it’s for the humor. There’s no reason to go above 2000 in this series
I always look at how many decor items u have on that one little table- i think it would look really great if you hung some of them on the wall instead! Less cluttered + we could see them all more easily