The Hidden Message of UNDERTALE's True Pacifist Route | Undertale Theory | UNDERLAB
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Undertale's true pacifist route feels slightly forced - why are we being so nice to all of these monsters when they're trying to kill us? On the surface, the moral of Undertale seems to be that you should forgive and be merciful solely for the sake of being good. However, is there an even deeper message hidden within plain sight? UNDERLAB finds out!
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Now to CHOOSE whether to leave a comment or not... hm, well, it seems I already have! What do you think? Is this the true moral of the pacifist route, or do you feel it's something else? Let me know!
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pin this for no reason pls
Underlab whenever it shoes the picture of the battle I always think that's not asgore the dreemur in the picture horn is broken
Underlab IS CHARA FLOWEY I KNOW ASRIEL IS FLOWEY BUT IF YOU WERE ON THE GONOCIDE ROUT YOU CAN SEE CHARAS FACE WHEN YOUR TWLKING TO FLOWEY AT THE END.
For me the true meaning is: Killing will lead to nothing. But that doesn't mean you can't defend yourself.
Well, but what's the meaning of Life, if there isn't anyone to a killer to kill. And in Undertale, you die in the process
But killing is the only way to learn and experience more. The pacifist ending is made all the better by seeing the contrast in other actions you can perform.
Yeah, that's true, but I'm talking about doping this in the feeling part like: I kill just for fun! Get it
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I believe the moral of the story is "everyone can be a good person if they just try."
"Don't kill and don't be killed. That's the best you can strive for."
It's just about trying to strive to be a decent human being.
The true message is be able to time travel and you'll always win.
But that's basically what you're doing when you die, reset, and reload.
I guess that message could be in almost every single game ever then.
And then you'll win and you'll win and you'll win, until you tire of this predictable world. What will you do then? =)
Play a different game.
The Arceus Nova Play some more
The true meaning is
THE GREAT PAPYRUS
NYEH HEH HEH
I couldn't have said it better xD
Fiesty Feraligatr OMG yes I'm liking your comment right now nobody likes the great Papyrus as much as I do
Don't be upsetty,
HAVE SOME SPAGHETTI!
Greg Proulx Except Papyrus himself. You're outpowered, buddy! xD
Elias Britschgi I regretti this
Undertale has many meanings. What you said is true. I was always thinking about other representation of our lovely monsters. Because every monster in the umdergroumd can be attached to one of goals, that many of us, people, have.
Flowey - we're not counting him, because he can't feel love, so he can't have any long-time goals and love is kind of needed for that. But we can say that he represents one quote (he said it himself even) "To live in world without love? It wouldn't make any sense."
Toriel - we can say, that she represents 'Just live happily with family' type. I know, she leaved Asgore, but because it says 'happily' the rule still works. She wouldn't be happy with someone, who is a murderer.
Sans - As you said, he knows too much for his own good. Because of that we can say he's a 'Live in this moment' type. He knows, that there will be no future, so he isn't trying to complete any goal, because it can be erased any moment. Instead he just enjoy's time with friends. That's maybe, why is he so angry on genocide path - we took him even doing nothing, because you can't do nothing all alone.
Papyrus - he is a complete opposite of his brother. We can describe in goal 'Follow your dreams'. He imagined, that he's in Royal Guard - he tries to make it true. And he doesn't give up, no matter what.
Undyne - she wants to protect her kind even if it costs her life. So I'll attach her to 'Just make tgose around you happy'. We can also say that she's kind of selfless, because during the genocide run, right before dying she isn't talking about her failure, but about that, that someone will finally stop player. Overall, Undyne wants just to protect ones, she love and she has no fear of death if only others will survive.
Alphys - Unlike previous, she cares alot, what others think about her. So she is like... 'Make people like you'. To do that she tried to invent
In the Pacifist Ending everyone's dreams come true. So the lesson is: No matter what your goal is, if you stay determinated, you can complete it.
Natalia Borys you forgot King Fluffybuns.
im gonna like his cuz of the effort you put into this ;P
flowey has the long term goal of getting the six souls
Did you know that Papyrus doesn't eat spaghetti and it's not his favorite food? He only cooks it because everybody he gives spaghetti to loves it.
Aneita Torres OMG I ALSO KNEW THAT
Everybody only eats Papyrus' spaghetti because they love Papyrus. The spaghetti itself is really bad.
@Zeus Yendor Milk
his favorite food is oatmeal with dinosaur eggs
Yeah, it’s a little annoying that people think that
who thouch the child ?
DONT TOUCHA DE CHILD!
Mudkip Mudkip YOU TOUCH DA CHILD!!
WALUIGI!!!!!!!!!
WHAT?? NO!
Did you just... touch my boy ?
*You fell your sweat crawling in your neck*
4:23 'Represent the ability to forgive' ...She didn't forgive Asgore. She didn't even let him explain!!!!She didn't even give him a chance!
Rebecca Boyer After murdering 6 kids?
before doing that, she already chose to not forgive him simply for the decision he made to declare war on humans once again. despite the fact the only reason he'd done so was to give hope back to the people, he never wanted to hurt anyone.
as a side note. toriel is pretty hypocritical, she gets on asgores case but she herself couldn't practice what she preached about taking a single soul and going to the surface to get the others. she and asgore of all people should know why that wouldn't work, look at what happened to asriel when he tried that.
puns master I saw you in Camila Cuevas unfairdyne vid....WOW
Sans And Paps *drinks sans fans tears* cool!
puns master omg....WHY THE TEARS 😦😦😦
Asgore could've taken care of the humans until they died then take their souls
James Barker It would've took to long, his peoples hope would be lost once again.
James Barker true
James Barker i love the idea.. Although it would take to long, and monsters hopes would be crushed
Yes! Totally! This only didn’t happen bc he wanted revenge for Asriel’s death, also the monsters of the underground would probably be outraged because of him doing that (cough Undyne cough)
No that couldn’t happen sorry because he would become to attached to the human overtime bc remember how he and tori cared for chara and then she died the underground was devoid of hope so maybe if asgore had done that it would be to heartbreaking for to after caring for a child then having them die to take their soul would be heartbreaking so I prefer the way tori states on the pacifist ending asgore could have crossed with charas soul and kill six *EVIL AND OR BAD* humans not small innocent ones like the past humans as some of them were thought to be children so no as I like how you prefer how you would like to do things peacefully though it wouldn’t really Work out it was a good idea
I think that you did a pretty good job deciphering the purpose of this game. One theme I always noticed is that Undertale doesn't really have any true villains in it. All of the characters are each flawed in their own unique way, as you pointed out, but by the end of the Pacifist Route, it becomes almost impossible to think of them as enemies. Heck, you can even defend Chara if you want to. Lots of fans will be quick to tell you that even Chara, who calls his/herself a demon, was implied to have had a very rough life on the surface. Maybe the message is that there is good in even the most evil flowers, and all you need to do is take the time to find it.
NinjaPotato Lord BUT HEY! THATS JUST A THEORY!! A GAME THEORY!!! AAAAAANNNNDDD CUT! 🎥
@@BakedBeanzBoi_ Lol noice
NinjaPotato Lord tl;dr
2:03 Asgore knows about the reloading thing. He acknowledges when Frisk says he's killed them before
Undertale is special to me
Marshall Frearson undertale is cancer for me
Big Smoke and the rest is a cringey/dead channal k? Yeah. The game sprites,the concept,the dialogue,and especially the story.
DOOM Guy sam leo MAN FUCK YOU GO BEFORE I ICE YOU FOOL
DOOM Guy sam leo Kiss my ass
So?
I always take the message of the Pacifist route as: Being the bigger person despite all that happens to you, not giving in to hatred and resentment, not judging people for their life choices/preferences and not having prejudice or cemented opinions on them, knowing people do things for a reason and being open-minded, accepting and respectful.
Where's King Mel where is he he's mostly here all the time
Jaxson Jenkins
I killed King Mel.
He's a ghost now.
He gave underlab so many video ideas how could you kill him he did nothing wrong
Jaxson Jenkins Dont worry i can revive him
I am a level 109 priest
Foussiremix that's good
Jaxson Jenkins Maybe he was simply doing the genocide route beacuse he was curious to see what would happen
"Selfless duty calls you to sacrifice your own spiritual needs and do whatever it takes to protect the world."--Avatar Yangchen.
It makes even more sense when you consider the negative forms of the same moral, of which there are two, presented in the Genocide run.The first is that all actions have consequences, and those consequences have to matter. Sans and Flowey both pretty much state this flat out to you, from their own understanding or experience of parallel universes and that when actions cease to have any lasting impact, life becomes meaningless.The other, and more cynical, moral comes not from what *is* said, but from what *isn't*, and it is this: ignorance is bliss - because any character in the Undertale universe who comes anywhere within sniffing distance of the ultimate truth presented in the first moral, in one way or another, goes mad. Sans is broken by it. Flowey is driven to extreme lengths out of sheer ennui by it. W D Gaster virtually ceases to exist from his exposure to it, and the remnants left behind are incredibly disturbing. Even Alphys, and by extension Mettaton, could be argued to be negatively affected by the truth through their association with Gaster. Chara becomes a soulless, heartless monster simply because the law of infinite universes dictates that somewhere, at some time, she must. But the one who is impacted worst of all has to be the player, simply because of the sheer depths we ourselves have to willingly stoop to, exerting our own free will that nobody else in the story has in order to prove this moral to be true.
4:22 its not because she is loving, its because of her trauma of losing kids clouding her judgement based on past learned experiences
9:30 Actually, Asriel warns us after talking to him at the first room a lot that "There are lots of Floweys out there, and not everything can be solved by being nice."
underlab you are a reason why I always come back for undertale you are the reason why I never get bored of undertale no matter how much I play it i just love you're videos i love that you never stop to find things in undertale that is why i always watch you're you're interest in undertale determines me to keep playing
Pls make a video where u discuss how the monsters coming to the surface would effect the world today
Sounds interesting... I will if I can!
Underlab I noticed something about that. There aren't any fleshly humans in the credits, or anywhere in the game, except Frisk/Chara, and drawings and very vague references to a war between -children- humans and -adults- monsters. Some scenes in the credits correspond to Earthbound scenes, which are usually filled with humans. I dunno if it means anything, but it's the most terrifying part of the game to me. There is an ending in Chrono Trigger where all the humans never exist, they're replaced with dinosaurs, because certain things did and didn't happen in the timeline. That was oddly satisfying on its own, but in context of Undertale it's absolutely chilling. Again, maybe overthinking it, but, the ending is eerie anyway.
My brother has a series where aliens and humans both live on earth. But of course, history repeats itself. So the aliens for a while went through segregation and crap and aliens in the present are still facing casual racism (speciesism???) So that could be an idea of why there aren’t any humans in the credits. Maybe the monsters are being put in different places then the humans.
I don't know what's wrong with me.
I've downloaded the game, but I haven't played it yet and I know everything to the littlest detail from both the pacifist run and the genocide run.
Hope that's not still true.
Hey that was me
Until a couple of days ago.
Its worth it
Same
This game has changed my life and I hope it changes more for the good.
2:27 There's something annoying about that part...
I just can't put my hand on it.
And pet it affectionately...
In a nutshell-
Being kind to all isn't the best, but doing the right thing to all, even those who may not deserve it, is the good thing to do.
Also, quoting Spiderman here: "With great power comes great responsibility."
Why do Frisk befriend only important people (and skelebros)?!
Thats why they are the important ones. Because they are the ones more interested in you.
Król Cieni Actually, you *DO* befriend the entirety of the Underground from the *FIGHTS* you encounter, though you see the main characters join you, implying the ones you befriended also joining in. From the end intro.
Well.. decept for the ones who dont join you..
A random user I mean ones with important role in the underground.
Król Cieni I'd say because you spent most time on them and they're important. But... they'll be whatever the plot demands them to be I guess.
As important member of the Underground they need (Friend or not) to be near the Human.
11:37 ..........so...what your saying is FRISK IS SPIDER MAN
Spider-Frisk! Spider-Frisk!
I thought the message was that there is no such thing as a truly happy ending.
I would argue that Undyne isn't attacking you out of prejudice and narrow-mindedness; rather, in the Pacifist route, she attacks you because she knows the monsters need the seventh human soul to break the barrier (the same reason as Asgore).
I LOVE your new intro! with the actual characters walking by! Forgot to mention this when I first saw it.
I see the point of it all is we are all unique people with free will. How the world is dark enough without our added selfservitude and coldheartedness. Most may see this as innocent or childish but ive lived torments that have broken minds and wills to live. By kindness and what it brings back is what helped me overcome even as screwed up as I and all else was. I am a living testament to the idea that random acts of selfless kindness can heal even the most broken soul. Hince the warmth of our hearts IS "the answer."
I will you all well. Stay Determined. ❤
2:29 i saw the annoying dog for a split second
I saw it to
Same
Ye mee 2
Same
I think the true pacifist route's message is friendship, because you don't hurt anyone in four regions: Ruins, Snowdin, Waterfall, and Hotland, and you befriended monsters: Toriel, Sans, Papyrus, Undyne, Alphys and Asgore.
So how's king mel today
A Paint Bucket Named Huey
*=)
By far, THIS is my favorite explanation video. I think you did a better job at explaining the message than anyone else!
the second secret message is
WHERE'S MY CHOCOLATE
I ate It.
UNDERTALE IN A NUTSHELL
Killing is bad.
The end.
-Toby Fox
It also makes you think about the things that lead to aggressive behavior. And how you try to justify it to yourself.
12:00 Do I hear that unused "Undertale" in the backround? Oh, you stinker
Are the dogs from snowdin apart of the royal guard?
Yes
Doggo, Lesser Dog, Greater Dog, Dogamy and Dogaressa are all in the Royal Guard.
Red Yoshi 6000 yeah boiiiiiiiiii
Yeet
But is Annoying dog / Toby fox in the royal guard ?
I love the subtitles "hello and welcome back to on the lap
2:28 I SEE YOU THERE, TOBY!!!
I keep on forgetting how games' fandom is still going strong. I am so glad I came into this fandom recently.
I think the moral is either:
Don't kill and don't be killed
Or
Stay determined
Where is King Mel? Is he gone. 😭
I knowe nat whereof my lord be-eth may XD (misspellings are for roleplay).
Anti SP who?
@@zaxhys4053 Underlab's favorite commenter
I personally think the meaning of the true pasifist ending is kind of what you said but also that there is allways a good path through. As all monsters where stuck underground, no hope of getting out exept for human souls but a single human who's fate would be death, saved them all.
1:56 OMG READ THE CAPTIONS IM DYING
So well explained! Thank you. Having all the pieces put together so concisely really helped my understanding ❤
Very well done! Thank you for always sharing such thoughtful and interesting theories with us!
is it just me or does the intro continuously improve
Cat Meistr eight seconds ago
I am siting with my cat 😄😺
and?
deepdarkzoroark AND you are boring
Moo Moo and I'm playing wit mine. Love kitties.
Essam S FUCK U CATS ARE AWESOM
adriana hills i know o-o
and two tears run down my cheek. one because of the video, another of sadness because king mel isn´t here yet.
Very good video, man. I never quite thought about it like that
Just because sans thinks keeping promises is good, despite him never making one, it doesn't mean its moral to not break a promise. It depends on the opportunity cost and new information.
"Go ahead and grab a spider cider"
OK *gets up and makes aple cider* *takes a sip* let's begin!
Underlab you are the mat pat of undertale you really know how to change perspective this theory really stood out to me it really does feel good to be the better person even when someone doesn't deserve
wow new detail for the intro?! looks great!!!
sushi.
Darlene Draws lol
no views 4 likes 2 comments did you guys even watch this
I the first to veiw
asgore waited so he can free his people
Darlene Draws Chocolate!🍫
I WILL NEVER DO GENOCIDE
being bullied makes people suffer and I only want those who want that to suffer
Pale Dragon please shut up. LOVE is baaaaaaaad
Pale Dragon no undertale remembers if you do genocide then pacifist it will be a bad ending still
Pale Dragon ya I delete all ur comments
say bye to this one,kid
Lol the irony is not lost on me. Knowledge and concepts don't die just because you delete a little string of words.
Pale Dragon DO U *WANT* A BAD TIME
FACE PLANTS FREE OF CHARGE
I like that idea about the end! also cool new intro!
This is why I love this channel. Most of us have "finished" UnderTale from a gameplay perspective, but this channel can still cook up something to talk about *without* it sounding forced. This channel is able to accept that UnderTale has flaws, but that it's still possible to enjoy it despite them. Sometimes, we analyse mysteries of UnderTale that can't be proven one way or the other, like the CORE running on Soul power. Other times, we have a complex look at something in the game most of us took for granted and end up seeing it in a whole new light, like this episode. And other times, we just have a little fun with the game's quirks, like when we calculated how much Gold was worth, or looked at the scientific parallels of the characters and their homes.
Moral of the Pacifist Route: If you can save the world, do it.
Underlab: grab a spider cider and a cinnamon bunny
Me: I have a bandaid and a coffee. Does that count?
Basically the true meaning of everything and not even in Undertale is friendship.
DETERMINATION not to kill but to make everyone your friend and that's actually a goal I set for my life that Undertale taught me. It truly has changed my life even if I was a bit late discovering it (mid 2016 ugh).
Wow!! You uploaded on my birthday thank you!!! I love your videos!!
the message is :
frisk isn't just a demon who did the genocide but a laying sneak who make people think they are an angel
For me, the only thing that's wrong with Flowey is that he exists.
Dawn Vampyra the Saccubus OOOOOH, #REEKKKTT
I love it (your theory is so amazing!)
Nice job on this video. Its convincing enough for me!
The true meaning is,
WHOA TECHNOLOGY
Omg I'm first for once lol btw
CAN U DO THE TEM VID YET IVE BEEN WAITING FOR TWO MONTHS btw plz reply
Sorry 2 burst ur bubble, but ur not first...
Hello from the notification squad Under! Awesome vido like always
awesome vid! keep up the good work!
Very, very interesting.
The true meaning is
MEGALOVANIA INTENSIFIES
* SANS, PLEASE TURN YOUR MUSIC DOWN!
* sorry papy, i totally couldnt hear you. say it again?
* (sigh) WHY ARE YOU LIKE THIS, SANS?
*SORRY!
*AM I BROTHER-ING YOU, BRO?
At the end of the true pacifist route, a song called "Respite" plays, the definition of respite is: "a short period of rest or relief from something difficult or unpleasant"
This is probably predicting that after true pacifist, the player will reset and do genocide, which is what happens in most case, I think that after pacifist, you should just set down the game, let the characters enjoy their happy ending, don't ruin it because you got bored
Or keep that save file find easter eggs and talk to ALL the monsters
I don't think that I've ever cried over a video game so much.
NOTIFICATION SQUAD WHERE YOU AT?
HERE!
Matthew Simmons FRONT AND CENTER SIR!!!
Matthew Simmons here
Matthew Simmons Howdy!🌻
Matthew Simmons heir
So... Frisk is Spiderman?
Nathan Watt If Spiderman had the ability to reset the balance of time itself to his will, then yes.
Wheeth graet powr...
cums graet risponsubiliti.
~Spodermen, 2017,5
2:27 That dog is the Big the Cat from that Moooore Cluuues video of this video.
This is great, keep up the good work. WE WANT MORE UNDERTALE VIDEOS!!!!
Nice vid
Papyrus doesn't try to kill you.
ChasmaHyena true
Tru
I now have faith in humanity. Something I haven't had in a long time. I am glad I decided to watch this it made me feel something I haven't in years, HOPE.
At first I thought the thermostat was to be selfless to save people in danger but now I agree with you
So i have a theory so Gaster is a messed up sans wait but how do we have the normal one well what if sans used a clone machine so then after they did a experiment and then the first sans fell into their creation "the core " so then the first sans became corrupted and melted and became Gaster and that is my theory.
+mettaton the gaster theory is kind of already solved... just watch game theory. They made a 3 part series proving that sans and papyrus is gaster
Sans and Payrus ARE Gaster? Then how are they present in this world?
that's not quite how theories work? you sorta need evidence for these things.
+Just a potato trying to improve their art thank you for correcting my sentence :P and according to MatPats theory, gaster fell into his core experiment and flew through time and space. But he had a shit ton of determination injected into him so where did it go? Gaster is represented as sans and papyrus for papyrus has more feeling and enjoys physical jokes (the right brain) and sans has more knowledge and enjoys puns (the left brain) and sans even uses is left hand more often and papyrus with the right hand (this is just symbolism, he knows the right side controls the left and the left with the right) and when he died, that's how sans and papyrus suddenly "appeared" according to the shop keeper in Snowdin. Hopefully I summed it up all correctly without forgetting any important details.
who said i dont have evedience?
What about me?
"With great power comes great responsibility" So Frisk is Spider-Man?
the meaning is
whatever route you choose, you still wanna know what would happen if you did it another way
I think you should change back the intro but idc
The message is
YOU DON'T DESERVE A HAPPY ENDING
I interpret the message of the True Pacifist run as "Be the better person." Sure, you can't be friends with everyone and you can't resolve everything by being nice. But, as long as you don't let other people's horrible actions influence you, you won't be as horrible as they are. Just as Asriel says if you go back to the beginning during the ending of the game: "Be careful in the outside world, there are a lot of "Flowey's" out there and not everything can be resolved by just being nice."
I agreed, but I also thought maybe the point of the route was that everyone deserves forgiveness, no matter what.
As for the Genocide run, it is the exact opposite, preferably for grudge holders.
potato.
Mash Potato.
My attempt at a pin.
Pineapple pizza
Pineapple does not belong on pizza
Yes, Pineapple does belong on pizza.
Pin-apple Pizza LOLOLOL
now the intro is cooler than ever
Plus, Asriel tells you that acting that way won't work on the surface; the best you can strive for is to not kill and not be killed.
You have to do a neutral route before pacifist; even if you do not kill anyone yourself, Asgore still dies and the human souls are gone. You don't have to reset, but if you do you can help them all.
While simply being nice to all the monsters turns out well, Asriel states that doing that won't work. You cannot befriend everyone and you cannot solve every problem by getting nice. The best you can strive for on the surface is to not kill and to not be killed.
Keep in mind Asriel died because he was nice and didn't attack the humans.
I guess...I like genocide is better
*insert GASP face here*
wHHHHYYYYYY WOULD YOU KILL PAPYRUS?
Alissa Andry because he sucks
agreed
I like genocide...
Same i get a satisfaction of killing i get no satisfaction of sparing i want to be CEREAL killer when im older
Dayum this got pretty deep. It makes sense, though. I agree, and this was a good video! Lots of good evidence
my first run in undertale was blind through, and i was trying to get my "level" up in the ruins and managed to change neutral to genocide.