Samsung’s 3,000-Nit QD-OLED Hides a Secret Weapon | CES 2024
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2024
- We show you how Samsung Display pushed their QD-OLED panels up to 3,000 nits by working smarter, not harder. Also, say goodbye to color fringing on QD-OLED PC monitors, and see how Samsung is taking on Samsung in Hollywood by appearing in new mastering monitors.
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00:00 Intro
00:34 QD-OLED Brightness
02:26 QD-OLED vs WOLED Efficiency
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CES is like Christmas
The new E3!
But better.
Christmas without presents, what a joy.
Transparent TVs? Have you been yearning for a TV you can't see 😂 ?
@@jimmywhite5209CES going the same way as well.
Heat coming off the candle is the real cinematic experience
😂😂😂😂
That caught me offguard 😂😂😂
it says right there in the video same power consumption
I think your mic audio is only coming out of the right channel. Music is coming from both. But mic is only coming from one. Just a heads up for your other CES vid edits! -Ash
I do hear it you in my left speaker but much more in the right
Yes, I noticed this as well (TV and smartphone).
*Are the TV panels using the Pico-inkjet printing method as well or is it only the PC monitors?*
I love new tech because it makes the old new tech cheaper. 😂
Great video Caleb
My right ear enjoyed Calebs voice much more ... ;)
If Samsung keeps the S90D priced competitively with its competition, LG (C4) and Sony (A80M?), it might be my Next.
I love Samsung but man they need to add Dolby Vision support.
@@antoniolewis That's not a huge deal to me. What I'd like to see is them improve their processing and upscaling to be on par with LG and Sony.
@@ScottGibbs Agreed...Its not a total deal breaker for me either. It would to very nice to have though. I think the tone mapping of DV is better, but the average consumer won't even recognize unless doing a side by side comparison.
Dolby Vision blacks are glorious on a oled
There like no difference from DV to the free version
Awesome Caleb!
Samsung and LG the Best TV 📺 ❤❤❤❤
Great content , I just hope there's no more black outs .
Waiting on QD OLED to come in a 42 & 48 inch size for my next bedroom TV.😍
Looking forward to using these higher nit Samsung Display panels on non-Samsung TVs to watch Dolby Vision content mastered at greater than 1000nits...
😂😂😂😂
Right audio channel level is higher than the left and your voice pretty much only comes out of the right. Not sure if the editor missed this
Thanks again for keeping us in the loop. As others keep saying, get some sleep...
Caleb, Samsung Electronics is claiming a 20% increase in brightness for the S95D compared to the S95C. So how would that fit in your thinking that they might come close to 2500 Nits this year? 😅 (for the record, S95C was around 1350 Nits peak, so a 20% increase would be like 1600 nits or so?)
I asume Samsung is close to the Neo qled QN90C in brightnes (around 1800/2000💡) maybe they refer to 3000 nits only in 3 % 🪟
@@manuelpaz6716 there is no way. the s95c has the same peak in 3% as in 10% window. thats not gonna go from a 1350 peak to 2500-3000 nits within one year of incremental small improvement and some software trickery. I'd think those kinds of upgrades only occur when a whole new panel technology is out (like micro lenses + QD oled or something)
QD will have to implement some variation of MLA or Blue Phosphorus LED to go next level. Or both for ultra bright levels.
Its even looked more accurate with no magenta push .
Ok… but what about the sizes specifically 83”. Will there be a direct competitor to LGs G4?
Im actually interested in a samsung qd-oled. Would the literally cooler model be in 55 inch? That would be my choice as id have it in a bedroom
Really awesome brightness improvement tech. My next bedroom TV may just be a 2024 Samsung QD-Oled TV.
I wait for blue phosforecent oled next year 💥💥💥💫
COLOR BRIGHTNESS is all that matters, most people don’t even watch tv in super bright conditions so if it’s a dark room or semi lit… the tv will be blinding LIKE YOUR PHONE on full brightness at night in bed
Most people have sunlight shining through their living room window, so a high brightness is good. For dark conditions the ambient light sensor reduces brightness
I assure you brightness matter a lot. A whole lot!!
@@Mark-uk8wz most people watch tv at night
Wow!! This was great!!! I love the way you explain things!! So you can get brightness AND color brightness with the new QD-OLED technology? I still wonder how this compares with the new MLA technology from LG. Guess we will find out this coming year with head to head comparisons!?
It's even looked more accurate with no magenta push .
Think of MLA as a magnifier.. it can only amplify what's already there ..including a washed out source due to the white "subpixel".
My S95C is SUPER BRIGHT. I literally turn energy saver on to protect the TV. On dynamic, standard or eco I can’t imagine needing a brighter TV
Qd has a problem with screen burn, my worry is these changes may make static images a lot worse and one to avoid for gaming, samsung-lease comment about what improvements you have made to improve on this issue especially with the 3000 nits peak
Are there any QN900 new models?
Ballpark, how many nits do you need for a decent minimum hdr experience?
At first glance I can notice that increase of brightnes in the specular highLights 💡📺 well done Samsung
Is there a philips stuff? Cant ignore ambilight. Once you own it it really hard even numbers says other.... I havent bought 908, hava been waiting... even im pretty sure its for me.
So much burnin😂
Any info if S90D is goin to be 3rd generation QD panel?
Ditto this question
I work with regular LEDs, and I know that under-driving them by only 20% greatly increases their longevity... I never drive them at their nominal power… I'd put two LEDs in my lamp and drive them at 50%, and the lamp doesn't noticeably lose brightness over time... That's what has to be done with OLED PC monitors - take a 3000 nit panel and cap it at 1000, and you'll get an OLED monitor that lasts 10 years...
The aging curves are not as favorable for organic emitters, they are probably already doing something like this.
Heads up the audio balance in this video is heavily weighted to the right channel
Yeah you’re a bit more on the right than the left.
after tetsing the qd oled, i think i will not to back to led tv even miniled
Why no mention of Q990D? Hope ur working on the video already to cover what we can expect.
The Nit Wars… have begun.
YES QD OLED 😎💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
You have a new sony mastering monitor, the Sony Bvm hx3110 4000nits peak brightness and 1000nits full screen
I know CES is crazy, thanks for the fast turn around times, but you have some audio issues in this one. Caleb is not centered he is right emphisized, and the host audio is quite a bit lower than the music levals at least during the logo, msot of the video is fine as far as levals, still audible and clear, just sitting right of screen and overall quiet compared to peak volumn of intro
Yes, I also heard his voice on the right speaker more than on the left one (TV and smartphone).
Is this panel will be used on upcoming qd-oled 32' monitor we getting soon?
I don't think so. That panel only hits 1000 nits.
It will be used on upcoming 3rd gen displays coming in Q1
This is fantastic news. Thou I wonder how bright it will be at a 10% Window?
Since not many folks have it so fine tuned down to a 3% to 1% Window
Are they including Dolby vision finally?
Have pigs started flying?
The WOLD Candle sports the new 4D technology. It put out the same about of Heat as a Real Candle.
Just support Dolby vision samsung. What the hell is taking you so long to adopt the technology. We all know your displays can support it
Why would you want DV when your panel can go up to 3000nits?
The only advantage of DV as of today.. is allowing lesser panels to show Dynamic Range within their limited hability to portray wide luminance variations among different scenes.
...and so it begins... The Brightness wars! 😂
EBay will see a lot of Lg oled second hand for sale in 2024 ! QD oled is the future.
put audio into mono mode bro
Think I'll be jumping from my 55" LG OLED to a 77" Samsung this year.
So while the wetdream of 4000 nits (from Sony in lcd form) might be possible in every major oled brand... it might turn your tv into a "house heater". Wheather it be lcd or oled. Good for staying warm during the winter 😂😂
Also remember that Samsung is likely comparing QD-OLED to "conventional" WOLED that does not have a heat sink nor MLA. (LG's G- and M-series have those things.) Claims are made during CES that will have to be verified by Caleb and FOMO and HDTV-Test later this year. While I am skeptical, I'm excited to see the reviews and measurements later this year!
It’s compared to a G3
@@DisplayNAudioTech How do you know? And if that were true, why wouldn't Samsung have "with MLA" on the sign? If what they called "conventional OLED" had MLA, it would be much better marketing to say so.
@@joes3800 they are talking about heat that means it the g3. Everyone knows G3 heats up like crazy hot because of MLA aka the magnifying glass effect and it looks exactly like a g3 or g series tv.
@DisplayNAudioTech MLA is a passive technology: the same or less energy translates to higher viewed brightness. Also, the heat sink would further dissipate any heat generated on the panel. But with a "conventional" OLED without those technologies, then you would have more heat generated (and not as easily dissipated) to achieve higher brightness. You are displaying your lack of knowledge and providing more evidence that Samsung is using an A- or B- or C- series LG OLED (or something similar) as its control, i.e. "conventional" OLED.
And the sound improves? 😢
Can't they just put Meg lev fans in the tv's to increase airflow? Or if noise is a problem just put a big heat sink in them or make the back panel metal and make it the heat sink.
QD-OLED laptops?
I've not heard about those yet. Every one seems to be OLED or micro LED.
They are new at CES. Several of the laptop focused channels are taking a look at them.
Caleb, your voice is panned very hard to the right. Editor might want to check that out
Not sure if it's just me, but the sounds are super unbalanced in this video. The voice is coming very strongly from the 'right' ear, and much more lightly from the 'left'. Dunno if there's any postprod done on this, but it may be helpful to balance that out for headphone users.
So is sony going to adopt the Samsung panels again for the ""next"" a95 TV. Or will they use their own panel that they have been developing?
Sony is long dead in the tv panel war…
😅@@ElGrueso
4:46 FOR MOVIE CREATOR 😎🥤🍿💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
8:00 I'm sorry what? 2500 nits in the consumer S95D? The S95C peaks out at around 1350 nits with the panel itself being capable of 2000 nits. If the scale is the same for a 3000 nits panel, it would be 2000 nits for the S95D, but I think that's still too ambitious. I'm expecting more like 1650 nit peak brightness
Samsung Display: Our panel can hit 3000 nits!
Samsung Electronics: Ummm realistically we can do 1600 @ D65.
Correct they are reselling you a s95b that was already hitting 1600+ nits day 1 firmware 😂
It might because of the camera, but the brighter one looked like it have worse blooming
Only thing i want in Samsung is Dolby vision support brighter panels and competitive price to LG lack luster C4 give me brighter panel then C4 at C4 price and add that dolby vision and il drop this LG G1 77 i have.
Onky vivid mode high peak brightness same with LG G4 LG and Samsung aren't going to oush OLED TVs too hard yet.
The red in that qoled looks pink
I wonder what the maximum number of nits is before the eye doesn’t care anymore if it gets any brighter.
A better question is, how much headroom does a TV need before there is no content readily available that can take advantage of it, or better yet that actually makes a difference to you. After all, if you only watch SDR content you only need 120nits... I have about 50 4k HDR BluRays, out of the total running time I wonder how much of that content pushes beyond what an LG G4 would be able to display....
Why is all the audio in only the right channel?
I can hear on the left but much more on the right
Just make them BIGGER and I’m in!
So basically Samsung is saying we are going to use the second gen qd-oled panel for 2024 and slap a matte finish on the screen and make it brighter , my s95b with day 1 firmware doing 1600+ nits 😮
Looking for a way to burn your eyes ? - look deep at a 3000 nits images 😂
Yes yes what a rush of pure power
Very curious that this coincides with LG's announcement earlier...
They have been working together, don't you see the new Samsung oled tvs S85D 42/48"📺 apart from that Two greats coming together only helps make things better 🙌
@@manuelpaz6716LG Electronics doesn't work with Samsung Electronics that be LG Display.
@@RobertK1993 you know what I mean of course it's WITH LG display 😪
Man all these RUclipsrs not centering their dialogue is making me wanna throw my phone at the wall 🤬 (audio engineer here sorry for being intense 😅)
Celsius? Fahrenheit!
300 full field VS 3000nits 3% window unfortunately though :(
My left ear is lonely
So, is this confirmation the Gen3 QD panel is ready and will be in the S95D or will S95D still be using Gen2 stock until it runs out?
No Dolby Vision, no party
Samsung really is the king of displays. These other companies really arnt gonna be able to compete. Sony will charge u more for the same tv. Even Samsungs processing is becoming elite
Sam TV no better picture processing Dolby Vision and audio quality they are the king of display Samsung is no 2.
I feel that ridiculous brightness combined with massive screen sizes could be doing long term damage to people's eyesight. My own findings is that bright scenes on the kind of settings most people use puts strain on my eyes and at times feels like looking at a mini sun! T.v producers are going to silly lengths to convince us to buy new tvs but not really offering us anything useful or with new features of any real benefit to the consumer. I hope this changes soon.
Yeah like every TV I turn down the brightness like I don't want any brighter TV's please I look at a screen all day
the sun has billions of nits
@@feiipin2kit’s also billions of miles away
@@D3ZG1978hahaha LOL funny answer :D, but on a regular sunny day theres like 7000nits to 10000nits out side. Movies are recorded to 4000nits, and the TV uses HDR tone Mapping to match close enough that 4000nit Mark, yet a brighter TV makes a more lifelike imagen.
@@Hadrows haha all jokes aside I find my tv too bright most of the time and it’s like 1500 nits max 🤣
But does the increased brightness also increase burn in rate? I mean the objective reality is that they are organic, and organic things die. So death of the organic led is guaranteed and faster than normal. For me keeping a $1000+ TV for more than 7 years is important. TV technology is rather slow at improving. But we are already at what I would consider top tier specs. Qdoled 4k with 144hz vrr is basically all you will ever need for a fantastic gaming or movie experience. Not to mention the color accuracy. I've been using a tlc 43s434 from 2019 and I love it. Even though it's basic led technology. But as a gamer I would like the smoothness of 144hz and variable refresh rate. Also the brightness, contrast and colors of mini led/oled. Micro led is really what I want but I can't wait that long 😅
Having a 3000nit panel doesn't mean you are watching everything at maximum luminance output.. 99% of what you are watching barely gets to 800nits most of it wont even get to 400..
So if you are watching a calibrated panel at reference levels.. it means your tv has plenty of room for longevity..
Not the case with a C1 or an A80.
@@absolutium yeah that's true. I guess that would be more the case if you were watching 100% white all the time, but even then most displays I've seen don't reach over 1000 nits fullscreen. Except for maybe some mini led displays. I know one of the biggest complaints people have about oled is the overall brightness and obviously burn in. But I'm more concerned about the overall life of the organic light emitting diodes themselves. Most newer panels have lots of software to manage the burn in, some of which like dimming which is incredibly annoying, and others like making all the pixels as dim as the blue because they degrade the fastest. I've heard some talk about blue phosphorus coming soon and that should help but it's also expensive. I mostly want my upgrade to a new TV to last as it's a hefty investment. I know the cheap tlc panels can have other issue like the back lights dying, but depending on the model it can be affordable to repair. However with mini led it won't be. I also like the processing power that Sony has for upscaled content and perhaps they have better over all components making it last longer but I don't know. The difference between the Sony x90L and hisense u8k is $400. But the Sony x90L isn't mini led, it doesn't have 144hz refresh rate. So it's hard to justify that. Also I could nearly buy another hisense u8k with the money saved from the Sony. Now for me the 144hz is not a big deal breaker. But not being mini led kinda is. But I know the x90L is a good panel despite not being mini led.
Samsung has to improve their low quality content streaming at least to LGs level, maybe not Sony's to get me interested
Apparently u haven’t had a Samsung within the last couple years. They are just as good as LG now and are gonna take Sony’s spot
My s90c is already too bright
Unless its dolby vision, I will never buy a samsung tv every again
They don't have to listen to demands they no 1nin sales
90 degrees Celsius is 194 Fahrenheit (90% of the way to boiling water). I realize this is a demonstration, but how hot is too hot to have around kids.
HOLD THE LINE (TOTO's VOICE) 😅 Samsung FINALLY caring about colour accuracy! Okay Samsung you've got my attention! So far they've been the most impressive both yet!
Right ear.
I hope there will be a 4k mini led white brightness with sdr at 1,000 nits minimum, nothing less than 1,000 nits and like 3,500 nits with hdr. I wish there was more 5,000 nits tvs as an option like the tcl 115 inch 4k mini led tv since 1,000 nits is decently bright, but 2,000 nits would be fine.
TVs getting better, content is not so outside of gaming its a waste to upgrade after a point.
FACTS !!!!
When could we expect reviews of the 2024 TVs?
The audio was terrible
Unfortunately my phone turns the bright red to pink
day one 3000nits - day 60 firmware update brightness already at 1500nits, typical samsung shenanigans, get ready for service menu hacks :)
QD-OLED is the future Samsung please include DOLBY VISION and deliver an 83” QD-OLED! Then I will give you my hard earned $$
FYI - your audio mix got shoved almost entirely on the right channel.
Who really needs 3000 nits…😂
Matte finish is a joke for a flagship
My left ear is sad
Of course I can’t say for sure out seeing it. But I can’t imagine Sony 5000 nit is something I would pick over Oled with 3000 nit.. those perfect blacks is just not something I see being beaten by mini led.. micro sure maybe
Who said 5000 it was 4000 you toxic fan boys don’t even know what the real number is lol
TCL is 5000 bits not sony get your facts sorted dude
@@DisplayNAudioTechSony said 4000 nits and the Chinese brand the only one who trust is Hisense📺 😅 so if they said 5000 nits..
Micro LED has same black levels as OLED/QD OLED TVs and higher brightness too then Mini LED
@@Alkaizer8Higher brightness doesn't mean better TVs
Sleep well tonight Caleb. You deserve it. Can’t imagine how stressful such a convention is. Going through a mall to get some socks is already sensory overload for me.
anxiety i feel you im also like this.
What about heat and burn in
Impressive for Samsung to compare new QD oled to old WOLED. MLA solves the problem of lost energy/light and doesn’t get that hot. QD oled doesn’t use polarizer that’s why doesn’t have this problem but at the cost of less glossy/grey blacks when affected by daylight.
Yep - It's one thing I actually really noticed about my Sony A95K coming from an LG CX was that it had surprisingly lifted blacks during daylight compared to CX viewing being perfectly inky. Trade off I guess for extra brightness
@@evanrogerson8137Am I the only one who prefers to play games, watch movies and TV shows in rooms with the lights off??
I want immersion.
Caleb, my local TV retailer has said to me that worries about Samsungs burn in has hurt their QD Oled sales, and driven customers into Sony's arms. Do you think this increased brightness will enhance these worries?
Exactly what burn-in? People aren’t complaining about any. Had my S95B since day1, absolutely 0 burn-in…
I’m hearing about lots of burn in on these panels. Wouldn’t be surprised
wouldn't surprise me. Burn in on Samsung's Q-OLEDs have been pretty common and widespread.
The idea that they were more prone to burn in was due to rtings early results, that were caused by a bug in Samsung TVs, look it up
I'm honestly tired of hearing about burn-in these days. It's such a non issue unless you try to get it on purpose. Heck, I remember my LG B7 from years ago, which was worse at preventing burn-in than newer TVs: I used it for three years for mainly gaming, which has a lot of HUDs and whatnot. Never got any burn-in. Must be even harder on a 2024 TV.
if you watch rtings test burn-in you can see lg woled much more reliable the samsung qd-oled even with less heating qa oled