Elite Spec-Ops Alan naw dude I’m not complaining. I’m praising u. Most you tubers these days are pussies and don’t even wanna say “crap”. Your video made me remember when RUclips was enjoyable. You did good my guy. Don’t apologize
The close FOV is killing me haha, but great comparision video. Glad you went slightly more in depth and showcased the how and why to those specific changes. The water is only fixed in MCC and a bit of the bumpmapping, otherwise do you think they'll consider fixing these changes to make it close to OG Xbox, if ever?
Well, perhaps they need more time to fix and polish out Halo: Combat Evolved, but overall the Anniversary was okay except the Classic one, and glad you like my comparison video!
Elite Spec-Ops Alan I say after this virus stuff goes over they will finish what they started. They had it in a post they are aware of it and I think fixing but all that slowed down because of the virus.
@@Alexgreen2002 sounds great, but Im not having high expectations of fixing it become perfect, but all I can hope is its playable and not annoying or frustrating at the same time (especially some bugs are heavily noticeable like audio cycles on background, Hud and plasma pistol sound)
Honestly I like the Beta design of Captain Keyes more than the current one too. (Yes the GearBox version of Halo uses the Beta design of Keyes) I believe it was because Gearbox was given the beta source code to work with.
Now I really want the og xbox graphics on MCC on PC. I've never played this game on xbox, but looking at the old footages from the original xbox and comparing it to the MCC, so much things, like the guilty spark's purple lighting, are missing or broken, and I'd wish they kept those graphics instead of it being on the gearbox version
@@WednesdayMan it also feels amazing to play especially with 120 hz. It appears they introduced interpolation of some sort so the animations and projectiles don't look and feel choppy
And yes, refined and original gearbox version differences is that gearbox porting process miss some little details. so that's why it's a little flat when looking the little details
As of right now, you're better off with Refined due to the OG Xbox Halo: CE not being playable in the Xbox One. Also, is Refined available in the Xbox One?
@@michaelandreipalon359 for not being misunderstanding, Halo CE on MCC Xbox or PC (and gearbox version) are not unplayable, it's about they don't feel the same as og xbox back in the days, hope you know what I mean :P
Wow. I had no clue man, having played the PC version exclusively, of how diabolically messed up job Gearbox had done. Thanks. Appreciate it. Any idea how can I get this refined port?
So from what I hear about the EAX sound is that 343 just kinda slapped together adding "classic" sounds to Multiplayer by just letting you enable it through the pause menu in game. The only way you could change new sounds to "classic" in Campaign is if you do it from the actual main menu settings. For the campaign, I actually hear the EAX sound, but not in Multiplayer. Strange...
Thats probably on "remastered" sfx with EAX, classic sfx i dont remember they slap it together (unless you're mentioning Halo MCC PC, i can go check it out again)
What I want to know is why there was never an official patch to fix the issues of the Gearbox port, or even a fanmade patch. Custom Edition has a ton of problems of its own, most noticeable (for me) is the broken/misaligned screen text for things like button prompts and tutorial pop-ups, which is really freaking distracting. I wish there was a way to apply the Refined fixes to the original release instead of needing Custom Edition. Heck, if we knew what parts of the game code were broken by whichever idiots Geabox had working on the port, wouldn't it be easy enough to paste those bits in from the XBOX version's data files? I'm honestly just grasping at straws here, and it probably isn't as simple as I think, so if someone who knows more about this stuff than I do could correct my misconceptions that would be great. Edit, 25/06/2023: I've found that Chimera now works with PC retail, and the Refined maps work fine, but if anyone has a way to fix the HUD text alignment issue I've yet to find it. As an example, the retail version looks like this: "Vertical looking is now normal Press "Escape" to try it the other way Press "E" to leave it like it is" While Refined looks like this: "Vertical looking is now normal "Escape" to try it the other way Press "E" to leave it like it is Press" At first I thought it was a problem with Custom Edition, so learning that it was a problem with the mod itself is just as annoying as there being no obvious way to fix it.
Actually, you can get EAX sounds on the Gearbox version if you copy the same dsound.dll from the refined version to the gearbox port or if you use EAX on any card tool... Halo PC is one of many PC games of that era that has lost surround sound due to EAX support being dropped. Also you can use Chimera mod to get unlocked framerates, frame interpolation, higher FOV aspect ratio correction, etc. I also used HAC2 for FOV and multiplayer (Since all servers seemed to run with HAC2 enabled) I had done a review on Refined Campaign and somewhat basic tutorial on how to get it running: ruclips.net/video/aMh144znEkY/видео.html
@@elitespec-opsalan5984 Now you should compare Halo MCC CEA vs Refined And Halo MCC Halo 2 vs Vista version, those two videos will be amazing. (And one suggestion, if you haven't already, try Halo SPV3)
Plus, HAC2 only works on some PC, not all, especially I encountered once replace this on my Halo PC and all I got is the error message about unable to load HAC2, then I found alot of information through the Internet and nothing can fix it, so I can't guarantee it works with HAC2. And I know Chimera got alot of great tools to play with like unlock framerates from cutscenes to animations n stuff. And dsound.dll is simply just a EAX file which most of the games that require it, I know you're expert at all this but thanks for your advice anyways (cuz that didn't help me lol)
@@elitespec-opsalan5984 Even I encountered the same issue with HAC2, there's an alternate HAC2 version that works (links to it in my video's description). With the alternate version the game runs fine Anyway I have switched to MCC for multiplayer now. Also I'm no expert, I mod games and found what each file does (I still don't know half of Chimera's features)
@@LinoshTheHaloGamer lol okay, then I'll give you a fun fact. You might know that using gamepad (or controller as your like) on Chimera actually replaced the soft aim feature which og xbox had. This helpful enough?
Hi, for some reason i don't have 1600 x 1200 resolution, the maximum is 1280 x 1024 And i don't have "Environmental Sound" and "Hardware Acceleration" in sounds, i mean it have those options but i can't change anything, it's like in the Gearbox port but i'm using the Refined Mod
i have mcc on steam and halo custom edition, should i get the pc version too? idk the 3 versions seems to having pros and cons for each of them. I'm in between buying Nier Automata on steam or getting a pc copy of halo combat evolved from gearbox
Should you get? Well, it's up to you, it's just there are no slight differences between Custom Edition and Original Gearbox Edition. If MCC PC (on steam or windows) well, there are slight difference because of the buggy soundtrack loop, the bullet spread when unlimited fps.
If you're asking me for choice, I would suggest you to save a buck for buying halo ce just because it stopped producing copies (even it have, mostly are rare or used key codes). I would rather go online and download the installer, search online for key code, and wham, I can play it.
@@elitespec-opsalan5984 it's a nice effect for two matters: it's cube mapped, reflects the sky instead of X-box shader, and don't looks like oil. In the second level and especially in Silent Cartographer you can see the difference. For all the rest Xbox features is the best!
@@elitespec-opsalan5984 it won't let me unless I have an invite, thats why I asked cause all links I've found only leads to that download, I do apologize for bothering you, but yeah it won't let me on there, I'll try making a reddit and seeing if I can get on there, but as a grumpy old man I have trouble figuring out all these sites, but yeah I do apologize for bothering you though, just heard that fuel rod sound on one of the videos like this one and got nostalgic for a sound I never even noticed was different
@@elitespec-opsalan5984 you dont have to be sorry, its not your fault, I guess it is a thing to protect the mod from legal things til it is done, that is the biggest thing I can think of, I just really wanted my bf to experience the game a bit closer to the way I experienced it when I first played it, since this will be his first time playing a fps, hes a Nintendo fanboy
if gearbox did an expansion for Halo, they probably would've done the story of Halo Reach, which had a book released before Halo 1's release date, and is mentioned in Halo 1's manual. I wonder how Halo Reach would be if Gearbox did Halo Reach.
As much as I hate Gearbox since they suck and everything, EAX as a whole just basically no longer exists and you have to hack it in any game that had it. Still cool to see it fixed though. Does it actually work properly with surround sound? Think last time I tried it it only really worked in stereo, which is super lame.
Good question, maybe it really works on stereo speakers/headphones... So... I have no idea back in the days people might uses for 3.1/5.1/7.1.... So... Maybe its unfortunately for stereo
Buuuutt, in halo og xbox edition, i remember surround sound like 5.1 are supported (but with or without EAX i barely remember).... So... Just my thoughts, dont take my words
GET THIS IN MCC
Yeah! That's right!
@@elitespec-opsalan5984 343 is gonna fix it in Season 7 of MCC
holy shit I thought this was a video from the glory days of youtube. The fact that I was insulted in the intro made me nostalgic!
Sorry if that was offensive to you, maybe I forgot to removed at last, or maybe it was a stupid joke
Elite Spec-Ops Alan naw dude I’m not complaining. I’m praising u. Most you tubers these days are pussies and don’t even wanna say “crap”. Your video made me remember when RUclips was enjoyable. You did good my guy. Don’t apologize
@@phoenixphonkhouse451 ooh, okay, thanks. Cuz I didn't realised that. But anyways, have a nice day :)
No wonder I kept thinking 'this feels so N64ish' whilst looking at the ''old'' graphics on HMC.
The close FOV is killing me haha, but great comparision video. Glad you went slightly more in depth and showcased the how and why to those specific changes. The water is only fixed in MCC and a bit of the bumpmapping, otherwise do you think they'll consider fixing these changes to make it close to OG Xbox, if ever?
Well, perhaps they need more time to fix and polish out Halo: Combat Evolved, but overall the Anniversary was okay except the Classic one, and glad you like my comparison video!
Elite Spec-Ops Alan I say after this virus stuff goes over they will finish what they started. They had it in a post they are aware of it and I think fixing but all that slowed down because of the virus.
@@Alexgreen2002 sounds great, but Im not having high expectations of fixing it become perfect, but all I can hope is its playable and not annoying or frustrating at the same time (especially some bugs are heavily noticeable like audio cycles on background, Hud and plasma pistol sound)
Elite Spec-Ops Alan I agree.
Elite Spec-Ops Alan hey do you have an Instagram I wanna show you some stuff in combat evolved?
Wow the refined mod blew me away. I had used the gearbox port on both mcc and pc for so long I had forgotten the quality of its true original form.
lets just say when gearbo brought us this port to play ce online not many were complaining. the biggest issue was the net code and bullet lag
Can we talk about in pillar of autumn scene they change everybody you can see
I like how Keyes looks more in the gearbox version but maybe that's just because I grew up with the PC version of Halo.
Honestly I like the Beta design of Captain Keyes more than the current one too. (Yes the GearBox version of Halo uses the Beta design of Keyes) I believe it was because Gearbox was given the beta source code to work with.
so happy they've fixed it now! finally!
Now I really want the og xbox graphics on MCC on PC. I've never played this game on xbox, but looking at the old footages from the original xbox and comparing it to the MCC, so much things, like the guilty spark's purple lighting, are missing or broken, and I'd wish they kept those graphics instead of it being on the gearbox version
The reason it’s on the gearbox port is because it has online multiplayer I’d take multiplayer over graphics anyway
MCC thankfully has fixed the graphics to match OG Xbox.
@@WednesdayMan yes and I am happy they made it look much closer to the original
@@WednesdayMan it also feels amazing to play especially with 120 hz. It appears they introduced interpolation of some sort so the animations and projectiles don't look and feel choppy
To basically sum it up your better off playing either the refined version or the original Xbox version.
Depends if you have og xbox, but too bad I don't have one, so I can only experience refined version
And yes, refined and original gearbox version differences is that gearbox porting process miss some little details. so that's why it's a little flat when looking the little details
As of right now, you're better off with Refined due to the OG Xbox Halo: CE not being playable in the Xbox One. Also, is Refined available in the Xbox One?
@@michaelandreipalon359 for not being misunderstanding, Halo CE on MCC Xbox or PC (and gearbox version) are not unplayable, it's about they don't feel the same as og xbox back in the days, hope you know what I mean :P
@@elitespec-opsalan5984 I know that. Also, about my question.
Wow. I had no clue man, having played the PC version exclusively, of how diabolically messed up job Gearbox had done.
Thanks. Appreciate it.
Any idea how can I get this refined port?
You can download the Halo Custom Edition in order to run the Refined version, you can search up more on RUclips about how to install refined mod :)
Yep, iirc the shaders got fucked up.
do you have a link to the refined mod. cause i'm liking these changes :)
www.reddit.com/r/HaloCERefined/comments/9l9ujl/downloads/
Here ya go ;)
So from what I hear about the EAX sound is that 343 just kinda slapped together adding "classic" sounds to Multiplayer by just letting you enable it through the pause menu in game. The only way you could change new sounds to "classic" in Campaign is if you do it from the actual main menu settings. For the campaign, I actually hear the EAX sound, but not in Multiplayer. Strange...
Thats probably on "remastered" sfx with EAX, classic sfx i dont remember they slap it together (unless you're mentioning Halo MCC PC, i can go check it out again)
@@elitespec-opsalan5984 Oh my bad, I was talking about MCC on both Xbox and PC. :)
I'm not sure about Halo CEA on Xbox 360 though.
What I want to know is why there was never an official patch to fix the issues of the Gearbox port, or even a fanmade patch. Custom Edition has a ton of problems of its own, most noticeable (for me) is the broken/misaligned screen text for things like button prompts and tutorial pop-ups, which is really freaking distracting. I wish there was a way to apply the Refined fixes to the original release instead of needing Custom Edition. Heck, if we knew what parts of the game code were broken by whichever idiots Geabox had working on the port, wouldn't it be easy enough to paste those bits in from the XBOX version's data files? I'm honestly just grasping at straws here, and it probably isn't as simple as I think, so if someone who knows more about this stuff than I do could correct my misconceptions that would be great.
Edit, 25/06/2023: I've found that Chimera now works with PC retail, and the Refined maps work fine, but if anyone has a way to fix the HUD text alignment issue I've yet to find it. As an example, the retail version looks like this:
"Vertical looking is now normal
Press "Escape" to try it the other way
Press "E" to leave it like it is"
While Refined looks like this:
"Vertical looking is now normal
"Escape" to try it the other way
Press "E" to leave it like it is
Press"
At first I thought it was a problem with Custom Edition, so learning that it was a problem with the mod itself is just as annoying as there being no obvious way to fix it.
Why does refined Keyes look he hasn’t slept in days
Probably because he hasn't. This is literally taking place just after they've escaped Reach.
Xenoforge78 good point and he also looks like that in reach so consistently I guess
I have the Refined Version, best part it's Custom Edition.
Does anyone have the halo CE refined multiplayer map files but that actually replaces the original maps?
Well, there is, but it doesnt "replace" or "overwrite" the original included file, it simply just add more maps into it
@@elitespec-opsalan5984 Yea. But there was a pack where you could replace the mp maps with the refined ones. I can't find em anywhere.
@@Spartan-8405 huh, okay, that sounds interesting
i want the og menu soooo bad.
Actually, you can get EAX sounds on the Gearbox version if you copy the same dsound.dll from the refined version to the gearbox port or if you use EAX on any card tool...
Halo PC is one of many PC games of that era that has lost surround sound due to EAX support being dropped.
Also you can use Chimera mod to get unlocked framerates, frame interpolation, higher FOV aspect ratio correction, etc.
I also used HAC2 for FOV and multiplayer (Since all servers seemed to run with HAC2 enabled)
I had done a review on Refined Campaign and somewhat basic tutorial on how to get it running:
ruclips.net/video/aMh144znEkY/видео.html
I know, I just missed out alot of details, and you don't need to guild me, I know how it works
@@elitespec-opsalan5984 Now you should compare Halo MCC CEA vs Refined
And Halo MCC Halo 2 vs Vista version, those two videos will be amazing.
(And one suggestion, if you haven't already, try Halo SPV3)
Plus, HAC2 only works on some PC, not all, especially I encountered once replace this on my Halo PC and all I got is the error message about unable to load HAC2, then I found alot of information through the Internet and nothing can fix it, so I can't guarantee it works with HAC2. And I know Chimera got alot of great tools to play with like unlock framerates from cutscenes to animations n stuff. And dsound.dll is simply just a EAX file which most of the games that require it, I know you're expert at all this but thanks for your advice anyways (cuz that didn't help me lol)
@@elitespec-opsalan5984 Even I encountered the same issue with HAC2, there's an alternate HAC2 version that works (links to it in my video's description). With the alternate version the game runs fine
Anyway I have switched to MCC for multiplayer now.
Also I'm no expert, I mod games and found what each file does (I still don't know half of Chimera's features)
@@LinoshTheHaloGamer lol okay, then I'll give you a fun fact. You might know that using gamepad (or controller as your like) on Chimera actually replaced the soft aim feature which og xbox had. This helpful enough?
Hi, for some reason i don't have 1600 x 1200 resolution, the maximum is 1280 x 1024
And i don't have "Environmental Sound" and "Hardware Acceleration" in sounds, i mean it have those options but i can't change anything, it's like in the Gearbox port but i'm using the Refined Mod
Nah, you miss one file, go check back the website and read the comments
@@elitespec-opsalan5984 Sorry for late reply, RUclips notifications suck, but it worked thank you :3
Mine is 1920x1080
Whats the point of "refined" when gearbox's version looks better? 🤔🤔 Edit: I might say in the Cutscenes with Cortana
i have mcc on steam and halo custom edition, should i get the pc version too? idk the 3 versions seems to having pros and cons for each of them. I'm in between buying Nier Automata on steam or getting a pc copy of halo combat evolved from gearbox
Should you get? Well, it's up to you, it's just there are no slight differences between Custom Edition and Original Gearbox Edition. If MCC PC (on steam or windows) well, there are slight difference because of the buggy soundtrack loop, the bullet spread when unlimited fps.
If you're asking me for choice, I would suggest you to save a buck for buying halo ce just because it stopped producing copies (even it have, mostly are rare or used key codes). I would rather go online and download the installer, search online for key code, and wham, I can play it.
@@elitespec-opsalan5984 thx mate
Gearbox water effect is better than X-Box style.
Hm... Maybe, but I didn't see further details, so idk. But still, thanks for telling me!
@@elitespec-opsalan5984 it's a nice effect for two matters: it's cube mapped, reflects the sky instead of X-box shader, and don't looks like oil. In the second level and especially in Silent Cartographer you can see the difference. For all the rest Xbox features is the best!
Do you got a link for the mod to fix the graphics closer to what they originally were
www.reddit.com/r/HaloCERefined/comments/9l9ujl/downloads/
Here ya go, no tutorial available, and only works on Halo:Custom Edition, not MCC PC
@@elitespec-opsalan5984 it won't let me unless I have an invite, thats why I asked cause all links I've found only leads to that download, I do apologize for bothering you, but yeah it won't let me on there, I'll try making a reddit and seeing if I can get on there, but as a grumpy old man I have trouble figuring out all these sites, but yeah I do apologize for bothering you though, just heard that fuel rod sound on one of the videos like this one and got nostalgic for a sound I never even noticed was different
@@zachariahm.kemper7406 well sorry, i cant help you, maybe you need to search it up on google
@@elitespec-opsalan5984 you dont have to be sorry, its not your fault, I guess it is a thing to protect the mod from legal things til it is done, that is the biggest thing I can think of, I just really wanted my bf to experience the game a bit closer to the way I experienced it when I first played it, since this will be his first time playing a fps, hes a Nintendo fanboy
@@elitespec-opsalan5984 but yeah thank you though for doing what you can
Funny; gearbox made some expansions for Half Life amongst other games. Wonder why they never got a crack at Halo
if gearbox did an expansion for Halo, they probably would've done the story of Halo Reach, which had a book released before Halo 1's release date, and is mentioned in Halo 1's manual.
I wonder how Halo Reach would be if Gearbox did Halo Reach.
I think that msft owes us a halo ce remake lmao
Haha, damn right
Download ?
Google it yourself... (simply i just lazy to do so) but tips is, you can get it in a reddit post by refined modders
got alink?
This video is just a comparison, not how to download, so I don't provide links. But you can go search up Google to download
www.reddit.com/r/HaloCERefined/comments/9l9ujl/downloads/
I recently found it back, maybe this will help you?
Pretty good work! Are you planning to bring this over to MCC? I can imagine a lot of people would be very pleased if you did!
Hey dumbass this kid didn't make the mod, he just made a crappy video showing it
@@LethalChicken77 Okay calm the fuck down macho man he was just asking a question
Ask the guy who made the mod, not me silly XD
As much as I hate Gearbox since they suck and everything, EAX as a whole just basically no longer exists and you have to hack it in any game that had it. Still cool to see it fixed though.
Does it actually work properly with surround sound? Think last time I tried it it only really worked in stereo, which is super lame.
Good question, maybe it really works on stereo speakers/headphones... So... I have no idea back in the days people might uses for 3.1/5.1/7.1....
So... Maybe its unfortunately for stereo
Buuuutt, in halo og xbox edition, i remember surround sound like 5.1 are supported (but with or without EAX i barely remember).... So... Just my thoughts, dont take my words
The original is better