THIS is what Doug DeMuro got WRONG about the NC Miata... understandably.
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
- Doug DeMuro recently reviewed the NC Miata, so I reviewed his review. There are a number of details he got wrong, so I correct them but also shine light on why it's not surprising, and even acceptable. Journalism is hard!
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The NC is ugly?! I wish I had a dollar for every time someone has commented, "what a beautiful car", or , "nice car". Ugly it is not. I chose the NC1, because I prefer the look to the ND. It just looks like a classic roadster. The ND looks like it's trying to be a mini Corvette. I recently installed the FM Stage-2 suspension kit. Now the handling is what it should have been from the factory. I've got the Copper Mica Red Touring soft-top. I love this car. It's the most enjoyable driving car, I have ever had.
Same. Most of the judgement regarding the NC is from people who a) Haven't driven one or B) Aren't standing in front of one (Doug notwithstanding)
I do think my NB1 was a better looking car, but the looks of my NC1 have really grown on me and the NC is a far superior car. I love my Miata and actually own my dream car! I also much prefer the NC’s look to the ND’s. I’m not a fan of what Mazda did to the styling of the ND.
@@dff19707 I actually have both., though my NB is a 2001. I too like the looks of the NB, esp from the 3/4 rear where it has that mini-Viper vibe, but my NC1 has really grown on me. It helps that it is lowered using Ohlins and the street wheels are 17x8s with 225's. What really looks stellar are the 17x9s, +35 w/235s in track config. emphasizes the more aggressive character. Shockingly, I find myself driving the NC more, though the turbo, etc makes the NB a bit of a handful (in a good way). Regardless, the NC is its own awesome kind of car. Agree on the ND, though I'd like to have one of them too! 😂 Need to collect them all!
To be fair, calling it the ugliest Miata is like calling it the ugliest Sports Illustrated model. A win is a win.
NA > NB > NC > ND. ....but BARELY. They are all beautiful.
The silver lining is, a journalist will never know a car as well as the owner because they don't have enough time with it until it's onto the next one, and there may be cars that he just doesn't like but still has to put on a show for. This car is special to us but to him it's probably just another dot in the Doug chart.
There are a few things I would add... the top trim on the NC2 and NC3 was the GT with Premium package (almost the same spec as the SE) got everything the Club got plus all the regular GT options and AKE. The Premium package with a manual came with Suspension package as standard equipment. These are the most desirable ones right now, and they are typically priced higher than ND1s. Velocity Red is the same red as the MSM. I am not aware of fake wood coming from Mazda, it was probably a dealer installed thing. The cubbies for the PRHT are taken up by the roof motor on the driver side and the Bose amp on the passenger side. Every NC I have owned (three of them) had the fix-a-flat bottle in it, and it was standard equipment. A lot of cars don't have it now because the stuff expires after 8-10 years. And if you really wanna talk about rare NCs, the Competition Yellow PRHT (Canada only) is your bet. I think there was around 100. Our SEs are rarer than a Club and better equipped.
The fake wood dash is/was a genuine Mazda part.
It was a dealer installed option and was available through Mazda parts. I have one in my NC1.
There was also a matching set of fake wood inserts for around the lock/mirror switches in the door.
I ordered the wood dash insert when I ordered my 2013 GT. It was installed by the dealer before I picked it up.
Also the bottle of "tire goop" is contained in the zippered case with the compressor and hose to gt the goop in the tire. Also contains a WARNING sticker that is to be placed on the steering wheel, reminding the driver to get that tire properly repaired.
Perhaps I'm hyper sensitive on the subject as an NC3 PRHT owner, but It looked fairly clear to me that Doug was highly influenced by what others have said about the NC. He basically said that it's a better car than you may think, even if it's not as good a car as the NA or NB. Whaaaaaa????
I have a 2012 Grand Touring PRHT. My car came with the tire "fix-a-flat" bottle. It was actually inside the case with the inflator and not sitting next to it like in Doug's video. They are all expired by now so I removed it and put some tire plugs and tools in its place.
Many good points well made.
For background I've owned nothing but MX5s for the last 20 years. Many NAs and NBs, four NCs, and then NDs as company cars. Perhaps worth noting that I've never yet considered having an ND with my own money.
Further info to potentially consider for completeness .......
Pretty sure they stopped making NC at the end of 2014 because demand had dropped off Everest and down to the deepest part of the ocean. For instance, of the '14 built cars that were sold in '15 in Australia (all 25AEs) apparently I personally sold more of them than any other 10 dealers put together. I sold a whole 6 cars.
Mazdaspeed (SE/NB8C in Australia) was a hardly disguised exercise in using up parts that would otherwise be binned such as the non VVT engine. It was also deliberately loaded with every extra item of equipment and unnecessarily large and heavy Racing Hart wheels in an attempt to make the NC look not too much heavier than NB8B. It had the world's most useless IHI turbo (and an evilly designed oil return pipe) so Mazda could say "look - our new non-turbo car is nearly as fast as our old turbo one!". Dealers were asked to turn the boost down from 8psi to 6psi at pre-delivery inspection to preserve the rods. The marketers even said it had less turns from lock to lock to give the impression it had a quick rack. But all they actually did was to increase the turning circle! Thank goodness the fire stopped them building too many of them. I fixed mine by building the engine, adding a 2871, sorting the suspension and brakes and going back to 15x8s. This made it a decent car.
Who cares about the loss of two small storage spaces when the PRHT is just so useful (and so much better than the RF)?
Open ventilation mode with lots of fan speed seems to do a decent job of creating positive air pressure in the cabin thus reducing the amount of air (and snow - really!) coming back into the car behind your neck.
NC cupholders in the door are in a dangerous place for the driver to use, so I use the one in the centre console and have a 3" extension on the gear lever so my coffee cup doesn't get in the way. There's a short shifter kit under the lever so the movement is the same as standard and feels even more satisfying.. I'm actually considering buzzing the cupholder off the door panel because some of my guest drivers with longer legs complain it hits their knee.
Of the four NCs I've owned (all PRHTs), one was an extremely boring standard car, then a more interesting BBR200, then a very interesting BBR300 stage two turbo 25AE in Soul Red and now a stripped out 80% track car with just breathing and suspension mods with maybe only 170-180hp. The 300 was the best all-round car I've owned. The conversion was really well done - so good that the 2860 turbo was almost silent and it drove like a well-sorted 3.7L V6. And only used the same amount of fuel as the other NCs.
But I still have a massive soft spot for my supercharged '92 V-special in BRG with tan leather.
I have a '12 prht GT with the automatic transmission (I have a bad knee that makes driving a manual difficult). A couple of people at work thought it was a Ferrari, and I always get compliments on it in traffic, so I don't think it qualifies as ugly.
My story too!
My 03’ manual was used on my horse ranch in Yosemite as well and sold her w/224k on her- original clutch too.
I played competitive tennis plus horse riding so my hip is shot. I was worried the sports car Gods would be upset with me when I picked up this pristine 1 owner 13’ prht in a/t.
Def not the same tho paddles make it fun & rarely used but now I can drink a cup of coffee in stop n go traffic here in sf.
65 in November so I’m happy🙌
Safe travels out there🙏👍!!
the doug score is relative to cars in the segment, thats why he shows relative cars. he's not saying its a 5/10, hes saying that in the segment (where the highest is 55) its a 52, so practically a 52/55.
tire sealant - YES it's still in my 2008 NC Niseko Miata (just went to the garage to check), in my Miata it's inside the pouch with the compressor, the bottle is white and the sealant is...now hard (I remember it used to be a liquid 10y ago)😁
I’m in the process of buying an ND right now and would like to say the NC imo in some ways is a better looking car. New sub here, enjoying your channel 👍
I've always loved the styling of the NC Miata. When I got my 2020 ND2, I was honestly torn between getting an NC2 or NC3 or going for a brand new ND2. I miss my Miata every day.
I have an NC1 GT that I love to death. It now has lots of upgrades, including the Mazda wood dash.
They were very rare. It's not awful by any means. I like it. But it is quite dark. I had my tire inflation bottle also.
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One club specific bit that many are unaware of (and that I'm trying to find...if anyone has one...) is the cluster hood that tops the gauges.
The club got a shorter hood that gives a better sight line.
I think Doug was talking up this car for cars and bids and I’m not sure objectively as a business promotion.
IMO the NC SE is the best looking Miata. Especially the yellow one the Canadians got.
This video caught my interest and started viewing your other videos. The comment on the last year for the NC Miata is also interesting. My 2015 NC identifies 9/14 manufacture date on nameplate, and I purchased it 11/14. Not sure why it is considered 2015 model, I wonder? I purchased the NC Miata once the preview of the ND came out...."super ugly". The ND just totally departed from the classic look of the first-generation Miata. I just did not like the streamline of the ND. It just seems it needed to be stretched out a little longer to have a nicer streamline that matches the roof height. I may be part of the few that finds the NC as super roadster with the length, width and height as proportional and well balance. Just fun to drive. To date, you may consider my NC as a garage Queen with only 16K miles under her belt. It is a 2015 Silver Grand Touring Hard Top with bolt-on mods: cold air intake, Super Q cat back exhaust, stiffer front and rear sway bars, LED head lights and 235/40 R17 Potenza R-11 tires with no wheel mod needed. Additionally, I have custom black vinyl striping kit which says "ZOOM ZOOM" on the hood bulge. At the moment, this car is immaculate and has no ding or road rash on wheels. However, since watching your videos, I am planning to do radio, coolant tank and suspension coil over replacements. This NC is just pure fun and low maintenance. In my opinion, If Mazda stays with the current ND streamline, the NC will become a classic....perhaps a collector car.
Damn, you need to drive that car more!
The point that the NC was the ugly Miata was true until the facelift on the NC2 and NC3. The reason I bought my Miata was because of how beautiful and aggressive the front end was compared to earlier models. NC3 Miata is hands down the best looking Miata from factory. The mazdaspeed NB is a close second imo
Great video!
Agreed👍 I had the shinsen model of 03’-silver blue with blue top & blue seats. Gorgeous and had her for 224k on original clutch.
The 1st time I saw a nc1 I was shocked what Mazda did.
My nc 13’ copper red prht is truly a jaw dropper.
Had a na too & had a nd from dlr in San Jose for a week. No love connection at all. I so wanted to enjoy it but within 30 min of driving it home? Big pass….
Found this one owner garage kept Diamond and will have it till I croak😂👍🏆
The reason he keeps going on about 2014 being the final model year is, I believe, because in Europe the 2015 model was an ND. I run into this a LOT with my 2015 club where I have to specify it as a 2014 because a LOT of sites will think it's an ND.
I wanted the club for the LSD specifically. The suspension was nice, but since I was buying used, it was less important since it would be needing replaced not long after I bought, given the mileage of the cars when I bought at the tail end of '22. One thing I do wish I could have gotten was the automatic climate control. I got used to being able to set a temperature for my climate control in my Tiburon, and then never needing to touch it other than to adjust the vents and turn it on/off. I would have also liked to get leather seats as well, but I plan to eventually have my cloth seats re-covered in leather at some point, so that's not huge.
It also seemed way way easier to know that I was getting the LSD by just going with the Club. There was a total of one NC Miata for sale locally, so I had to buy online, which meant needing to eliminate as much required trust from the purchase as possible.
MY nc included the sealant bottle, but like others have mentioned, it was inside of the zipper pouch, and also like others have said, it is probably expired, and I should *probably* replace it with something that will actually work, lol.
As far as "ugly" goes, having wanted a Miata since a friend let me drive hers back in '97/'98 ish, I specifically remember when the NC debuted my first though was "wow, they made it look muscular. I think this is my favorite looking Miata yet!" and the NC2/3 facelift just made it look even better. Every time I step out and see my car I think "god this thing looks so good".
@@FlesHBoX You may be able to find someone to swap out your cloth seats for leather as well. But you had a great point that it's easy to know Club's always had LSD. I lucked out in that the GT I bought to replaced my totaled club had the package, but it's not a guarantee.
@@Landminefairy Good point. I can probably find full seats in oem leather cheaper than a custom reupholster...
Maybe even snag some with heaters...
My UK registered 2008 NC1 PRHT came with the tyre sealant bottle in the bag with the inflator
I agree with everything you said. I remember watching Doug's video back then and knew he was off on some things. When shopping for my mx-5, I saw a few "club" models come up. There were quite a few but were overpriced for what they offered. I don't get why someone wouldn't get the GT trim. I did later find out that not all GT NC3's had the suspension package but if it had xm, it was safe to say it had an LSD. To me, the 25th anniversary is my favorite mx-5 miata in soul red, but I think the special editions are your best bang for the buck because of the two tone roof. I have a dolphin grey 2013 and was only produced in 2011 as a special edition and 2013. I wanted the 2013 specifically for the 3rd refresh and the spicy mocha seats. Thanks for making this video! Hopefully Doug watches it lol.
70mph at AutoX?! ..... yes, down south we call that Tuesday 🤣.
What a contrast to that "cappuccino" course, they really let the big dogs eat today! Nice driving, as usual! And yes, the intro...🔥
Thank for correcting the biggest automotive RUclipsr 😀.I have a NC 2013 special edition with the RHTP I can just agree with you 😊.Uggly?no way
Your white NC with those wheels looks great and plays up the "bubbly" look of the car to make it look meaty and mean (I'm a former red sport NC owner.) Nice job on the car and the commentary!
crazy thing about the NC club is most the cars I find are auto's where most of the GT's are manual. You would think it would be the other way around. And yes Doug gets crazy stuff wrong with every video he makes yet people still take it as gospel. Mini's are my thing and good lord he murders all of those videos.
I was waiting for this one to release, nice video on the quirks of the quirk video
Doug is quirky but adds a snarky touch also. Over the top ? In some cases yes definitely !
I been looking to buy one recently, but I don't know what trim options are the best. I found a 2010 grand touring for 5.5k and that's the one I'm looking at to buy the most; it's a black-on-black leather interior with a manual which is what really sold me on this specific one. If anyone could get back to me with their opinions, I'd be extremely grateful.
the NC PRHT is 1153Kg...oK so compared to the NA thats heavy but in the great scheme of things that is still light
Official Mazda “wood” was available as an optional extra or dealer fit option. It looks very much like a Yamaha piano. And yes, of course they all came with tyre sealant and fitting to help get it into the tyre; the pump wouldn’t be much use without it!
I had an 08 PRHT GT. I loved that car! The NC is my favorite miata! If I would have had a NC2 (09+ NC) I probably would still have it. Don't get me wrong, the ND is a better car, but the smaller size, DI, and higher price, makes the NC a winner in my book. The NC2 pretty much have a bullet proof engine and trans and can be easily turbo charged.
I have a 2012 retractable in black. People are always commenting on how nice it is. There is no other MX5 I would rather have than an NC.I find the new ones kind of ugly
The Club is very nice, as is the Grand Touring model. I’ve always managed to buy Base or Sport models, but that allowed me to upgrade, modify, and customize as I prefer. It was easy to add steering wheel controls, cruise control, variable intermittent wipers, suspension pieces of my choice, etc. Oh, and no Bosectomy needed. 😂
GREATEST VIDEO EVER!!!
I do love Demuro, he is great and this is PERFECT!
Nc3 club is the best looking trim. Fight me
13’ prht here-I would take 1 issue with ya. Clubs remind me of a 18 year old tarted it up with all the add ons look and mish mash of colors but no doubt about it; you could easily beat mine on a track.
@@mauricesoulis1590 13 prht is the second best looking one ! Ha ha
@@Emadifications alas tis true but at least I’ll get Mary Ann instead of Ginger- little buddy😂
woo i wonder wich city you are cuse here in california the nc club edicion its getting super rare 5:36 5:37 It's fascinating how the popularity of certain items can vary so much from place to place. Limited editions often become highly sought after by collectors. Rarity definitely adds to the allure and mystique of a product. It's always exciting to encounter something unique and uncommon. I hope you have good luck finding what you're looking for! nc club eddion
Surely the 25th Anniversary edition would be the most desirable? The window pillars had to be painted twice, red 1st and then close black. Tbe dash was hand painted. Why wasnt the 25th mentioned?
I would have to agree. 25th anniversary is one of the best if you like the color combo and NC3 fascia. Not everyone does, though. But the 25th AE, 2009 Competition Yellow, and white 2012 SE are my top 3 NCs.
His video is not too bad ... I only watched him once and will not again (except through this present video) ... I really can't stand his voice and way/rhythm of talking.
I started out years ago with an NC1. Sold it, regretted it. I now have 2 NC2. One soft top with removable hard top, over prht, both grand touring. Those both have LSD and the upgraded suspension. From factory. Both have lots of mods, but we won't get into that.
such an underrated channel
You was correct, the GT86 was out during the 2015 model. Nit the GR86. The GR86 is the one that came out in like 2022 or 2023.
I have the fake wood😂 164k miles Grand Touring 2006. Nordic Green over Saddle interior.
LoL I watched his video before your video and I had called out all the same things too!! Lmao 🤣
Originally owner '13 Club here with a tire sealant bottle. It goes in the black pouch with the electric tire inflator. Somehow. Also... nice NC2!
Tyre sealant yep in both nc’s I have owned
omgggg sooooo good! your intro's, make me smile EVERY TIME! Also did not know about the climate control, thats super cool!
Please explain the overlap in generation years NB and NC both in 2005 and NC and ND both in 2015?? According to Wikipedia
NC’s rule! 3rd Miata, 2nd NC. My favorite!
Good vid. You nailed it. It's all in the detail.
I would totally consider the Club more desirable than the other trims... But that's partly because that's the one I have lol
13:18 Mine is the virtually the same car he is showing, 2014 NC Club True Red and has it, maybe it is an NC3 thing, or some lucky ones that didnt get lost along the list owners
I had a 2015 White NC Club, no tire sealant. But of course it was used so it likely was chucked beforehand.
I own a 2012 NC with Recaro seats and BBS wheels. It has the tyre sealant and some plugs in lieu of a spare wheel. Definitely exists (Australia)
I’d rather go for a sport black or a 25th anniversary personally.
so now I went on autotempest to look for a 2012 SE (near me) and there were none.
but there was a 2012 PHRT GT w/ a supercharger not 5 miles from where I'm sitting . . . .
Carvana had a red 2012 SE a few weeks ago, but it got scooped up super quick.
The door cupholders were actually designed as bottle holders.
all this club editions and Grand touring and whatever is only for the US market. In all markets like UK, Germany, Japan and all other markets they had completely different models and editions.
That is Mazda with its own system. Even in Canada the models & options all are different. I really don't understand why Mazda couldn't keep the models the same for North America.
In the UK, our 2012 special is your Black Sport, and we had no green. Canada, they were all velocity red, no white, and no LSD with sport shocks.
Yes mine did have the sealant bottle.
Ah hem. My 2012 Touring has the suspension package with the limited slip diff and the Billsteins. So yeah, it was available for the Touring model rag top.
My 2013 venture edition came with the tyre sealant stuff as pictured in Doug's video
I have the original Bottle sealant in the trunk. NEVER USE IT! It will destroy your tire sensors..
No bottles of tire goo in my NC1, and I wouldn’t even consider using it, if it was there.
Doug is the type of guy to get it wrong, understandably.
I bought my 2022 Ford Maverick based on many review videos on RUclips including Doug’s. Doug had nothing but good things to say about the Maverick but when it came time for the Doug score he gave it a terrible one. I just don’t get Doug.
fck the cubbies! :D Hello fellow 1 of 450! I was also originally looking at Club models until I found my SE. Question: are the 450 all a mix of white and red, or are there 450 white and 450 red? IIRC, yes, I got the bottle of tire goo
There’s 225 of each color!
3 minutes in and I just remember I got flamed so bad on Reddit for posing a hot wheels that said 2015 Miata and it was a ND when I said 2015 was a NC 😂
Outside of the US the ND was considered a 2015 model, because some areas base the model year on when they were first released. So outside the US what Doug said is technically true.. but 2015 was a NC in the US.
My 2012 GT had only the inflater kit, no bottle of sealant
Great video, about time 💪🏿
2.5 swap makes for cheap speed.
So does the GT with the suspension package come with an LSD?
Yes, but the option is only available on manual transmission cars.
@@MiataChannel awesome! I’m going to look for one of those then. It’s really hard finding an NC club right now.
The clubs are a bit rare. Think about how often you see one just on the road driving. I own one and keep my eyes peeled and in the last three years, I’ve seen just two. At Miata shows I sometimes don’t see any. At MATG last year there might have been 10 not including my own. The production numbers were pretty low, not thousands and thousands. I wish I could find factual information on this. I think the total number of Miatas in general were pretty low in general during the club edition years. Even lower in Canada. If I’m wrong on this, by all means provide some info here because I’ve always been curious about how many were made and the breakdown in colors.
I have an ND Club soft top. I agree overall here in the US Club models tend to be the less bought. In 2024 the Hiroshima factory has a shortage of some kind related to the Club models. Club orders are being slowed down taking 4 to 8 weeks longer at least. In Canada the models are all different with different options available. Not sure why Mazda decided to do this.
I don't really know the full breakdown of colors, but I've personally seen Black, White, Silver and Red Club NC's. ( I kinda feel like the Black gets the shaft Club wise. It's just all black with red accent decals, but the club badge is pretty cool )
I have two 2013 Clubs, both in liquid silver metallic; one is a soft top and one is a PRHT. I live in Miami and I do see them around, but not often at all. Most people compliment these cars and find themselves surprised that they actually like a Miata. In my opinion, the silver and black Club is the best combination, but maybe you shouldn't listen to the guy who has two of them.
@@LandminefairyI really like the black club. I have a white one
Doug gets more wrong than right most of the time. I'm convinced his research is nothing more than 5 minutes of reading google search result headlines. His content is SUPER low effort. I got tired of it and unsubbed a while ago.
Doug DeMoron*
Damn miata is getting bigger and bigger
I know which one of you I'd rather be sitting next to at a dinner party...
Doug’s reviews are awful. Keep calling it out.
Agreed- don’t like his delivery, style nor pace. And his voice sounds like an infomercial.
And his breath stinks😂😂
Demuro is always wrong . He must be a self appointed but incompetent journalist in his spare time who knows nothing about cars, period. His opinions about cars he can throw in the waste. Completely useless. Perhaps he is just a clown.
As much as I, an NC owner, wanted to watch this video, the constant interruptions had me end watching at 5:45 and type this comment.
De muro wears me out . I dont Watch him anymore .
My NC Club came with the tire sealant.