21:31 correction: Peter graduated his years as an undergrad in college, which is relatively 4 years. Afterward, he went onto grad school, which he dropped out of after the first year
80s Spider-Man is peak Spider-Man. I can't wait for you to talk about the DeFalco/Frenz run, I consider it to be the best Spider-Man run for all the development put on Peter and Mary Jane.
Yeah it was best. Spiderman wasn’t invincible yet. He fought mister Hyde and one member of the wrecking crew and kinda got the crap bout out of him. A generation later he could beat the sinister 6 senseless and trade punches with the rhino. Bad writers use power inflation in place of drama. Ruined him same as it ruined Wolverine
Peter got his bachelors degree in the Wolfman run, which is when you're considered 'graduated', but was getting his madters degree. Masters and docterate degrees are often called 'post-graduate' degrees
Stern was hands down the best Spider-man writer (and arguably the best Marvel writer). They manage to be fun, adventurous but adult at the same time. Plot, dialougue, action, it would never get better.
Have you read JM Dematteis's Spectacular Spider-Man run? If not I hoghly, highly, highly recommend it (and Kraven's Last Hunt too but every Spoder-Man fan has read that)
@@rickrivers2021 yeah, JM was fine, but his stories dont always feel like Spider-man stories. That and an odd obsession with Vermin. Ill take Stern, but Id rank JM better than most.
@@mayotango1317he doesnt defend One More day. He just doesnt think MJ should be the one to marry Peter. Stern himself said that he himself wanted Peter to grow into marriage BUT not with mj. He was a huge Black Cat shipper
For a little context about Peter quitting school, I believe it’s supposed to be that he graduates from his 4 yr bachelor program and everything following that is his Masters degree program (normally a 2 year program, but might take longer if you’re working professionally while going to school). Masters/graduate school is a program in addition to your bachelors for more advanced degrees!
The 1980s is definitely my favorite decade when it comes to Spider-Man stories. So many great ones. The Kid Who Collects Spider-Man is easily one of my favorite Spider-Man stories ever.
Before reading Stern's run, I never really looked at Hobgoblin as a particualrly good Spider-Man villain, and kind of always saw him as just a "knock off" Green Goblin, but boy was I ever wrong. After reading Stern's run, I can confidently say that Hobgoblin is my all time favorite Spider-Man villain, and he definetly is a top five Spidey foe for sure. In general Roger Stern's run on Spider-Man is just fantastic, and is an all time favorite of mine.
Stern's Amazing Spider-Man gets my vote for favorite run (along with Gerry Conway and JMS), and I agree with most of what you said. I'm a fan of the three Vulture issues, particularly the second one with the manga-like cover inked by Bob Layton. Light years ahead of anything that been done with Spider-Man in his own title since One More Day, because, apparently, validating Joe Quesada's ego is more important than engaging the readers. One other highlight of Stern's run is that his interactions with Aunt May were much less cringe. Fewer "Hey, pretty lady"'s and comparing her to Farah Fawcett or what not. Hobgoblin was definitely an improvement over the umpteenth Green Goblin, but now that Norman Osborn has been back for 20 years, it's long past time for the character to have been retired. By the way, Spider-Man did graduate college during Wolfman's run. He quit graduate school during Stern's run.
Nothing can stop the Juggernaut was the first comic book I ever bought. It is the reason why I was in love with the character. It flows like a full on thriller.
I know there are issues with people thinking the greatest time during a run is when they, themselves, first got into it, but I don't really care. One year, my parents put two comics in my Christmas stocking: an AIM toothpaste-centric special issue of Spider-Man, and ASM #238 (the first appearance of the Hobgoblin). Stern's run is how I want comics to be.
In Brazil, the publisher Panini Comics is republishing this run in a collection called: "A Saga do Homem-Aranha" (The Spider-Man Saga). It's been a really cool run to follow.
I’m in the middle of reading the Stern Spidey omnibus and have been enjoying the heck out of it. It’s probably the last great run of classic Spidey before McFarlane takes over and breathes new life into him.
You don't graduate a year of Collage. You pass a select number of classes to earn a degree, that's how it works. So no, all those comic books could not have been with in the course of a year.
Hearing about all this interesting stuff is why I wanted to get into Spider-Man comics, but for some reason I've never been able to successfully make that leap. It's been decades! perhaps I'll always on the outside looking in.
Every now and then, when the Interweb asks who did the best comic run. For an individual superhero, I always say Stern\JRJR on ASM. If you’re curious for team superhero’s: the Claremont run.
Stern's time on the comic is definitely something I catch myself coming back to fairly often. I can just pick up an issue and know it's gonna be some great stuff.
I loved when Roger Stern was writing Spider-Man. The issues with Cobra & Hyde, the battle with Juggernaut, the intro of Hobgoblin and The Kid Who Collects Spider-Man are some of my favorites. Stern's run on Spidey is the best in my opinion. 🕷️
I've always called this the Spectacular Bachelor era. 1983-1987 Spider-Man would be about 20-21 during these years, 4 publication years = 1 marvel year. Spider-Man was 15 in 1962, making him 20 between the 1981-1984 publication years Also all the best Spidey comics take place when he lives at 410 Chelsea
I would say he was a sophomore in 1962 story. He graduated in #28- he is 18 probably then. First two or three years of Marvel tries to refer to an actual month between stories.@@anthonyrossiter1374
@@anthonyrossiter1374 acutally not, he is in the first year of high school on Amazing Fantasy 15, the Ditko run covers two to three years of Peter's life, and by the end of it he is starting college, by this logic he is 17 or 18 when the Romita - Lee run starts.
@oldmanlogan9616 I'm certain he was 17 and quickly graduated high-school by issue #28 due to this. I believe 15 began with Ultimate and was then retconned into 616.
I think Roger Stern realized that in order to make Jameson out to be a good man with a misguided attitude towards Spider-Man (an idea that most adaptations seems to take from these days), Jameson NEEDED to face consequences and redemption from his previous actions. Over time, Jameson was written to be more and more of a heroic character with some awful takes concerning Spider-Man, rather than the jealous, spiteful maniac as see in the Lee/Ditko era… but truth be told, before the Roger Stern era… I was expecting some kind of inevitable heel turn from Jameson given his history. Instead, Jameson is given a whole face turn and exposes himself and taking Hobgoblin’s power over him away. It was crazy and in a way, kind of inspirational. Most continuities has Spider-Man refuse to kill if he can avoid it because he believes in redemption, and even though Jameson was never a villain Spidey could just punch… Jameson, in Stern’s run, proves the value of Peter’s views. If the Spider-Man hating, super villain funding, maniac can regret his past and become better… maybe more people can. Although Jameson having awful Spider-Man takes is a constant, I like the fact that Stern cemented Jameson as a straight shooter who truly does believe in justice and integrity.
1962-1973 was the golden age of Spiderman. 1974 -1975 was decline period. 1976-1981 the comic was in a rut 1982-1993 was Spider-Man's renascence era. 1994-2000 the messy years 2001-2003 last great era 2004-pressent ...No one cares about what the comics did from 04 onward.
Honestly feel like not revealing the identity of the Hobgoblin would of been the best move as it really does fit in Stern’s intention with the character of being a true successor to the Green Goblin. Specifically with how Goblin was originally conceived by Ditko as being a completely unidentified villain who had little to no ties with the hero in question. Like, sure, that’s basically just Ditko’s way of reflecting his whole objectivist beliefs just to highlight how crime and the people who commit them are barely humanized individuals whose motives are never defined thus deserve punishment without sympathy, but it really seems like an interesting approach for villain especially in the Marvel Universe to not have a defining orgin to trace back why they want to commit crime.
This would be fascinating if not for the fact that Ditko said multiple times over the years, in both essays and to friends / pen pals, that he (Ditko) always intended Norman Osborn to be the Green Goblin. This is another Stan Lee tall tale that, in Lee's version of events, the "argument" over GG is why Ditko left Spidey. In fact, Ditko and Lee were not even on speaking terms at that time, and Ditko was speaking solely to Sol Brodsky. Ditko would turn in his fully plotted comics, Lee would tell changes to make to Brodsky (stuff like swap these character positions, etc), Brodsky told Ditko, Ditko did them, and Lee did the final dialogue. If we want to give Lee the benefit of the doubt, the "Wow, this is just some nobody!" revelation had been done multiple times in Spidey by that point, including Electro and Crime Master, so Lee may be getting it mixed up. But Ditko put his foot that he always intended Norman to be GG. It tracks if you read the comics, even ignoring Lee's dialogue. In Ditko's second to last issue, we learn that Norman is not only evil, but somehow has the ability of flight (shoots at Spider-Man from a window without a ledge). These are Ditko's own words: "Now digest this: I knew from Day One, from the first GG story, who the GG would be. I absolutely knew because I planted him in J. Jonah Jameson’s businessmans club, it was where JJJ and the GG could be seen together. I planted them together in other stories where the GG would not appear in costume, action…I planted the GG’s son (same distinctive hair style) in the college issues for more dramatic involvement and storyline consequences. So how could there be any doubt, dispute, about who the GG had to turn out to be when unmasked?"
How to get this run? Buying comics in my country is insanely hard anyway, but even on sites like Amazon (which I can't even order from) I can't find it for a decent price. New printing came out only in 2021. Why is it so rare?
The hobegobelin what a great Idea. It was better than to create an another green gobelin. It was great till they decide to trick Everyone on who was really was the hobegobelin
That was the whole point from dsy one though Hobby was good until Preist fired Defalco and couldn't figure out who to reveal so decided to shoehorn Ned Leeds despite already having him killed.
This is an ok period for Peter Parker. People just like this Spider-Man because in Stern's words, "he's virtually unbeatable." The Spider-Sense became a cure all. Stern turned cool villains into Super Lame (Tarantula, Cobra, Hyde, Mad Thinker's Android). It's just the ultimate adolescent power fantasy. Repetitive David Vs Goliath stories where David is actually stronger and doesn't have to use his brain.
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21:31 correction: Peter graduated his years as an undergrad in college, which is relatively 4 years. Afterward, he went onto grad school, which he dropped out of after the first year
80s Spider-Man is peak Spider-Man. I can't wait for you to talk about the DeFalco/Frenz run, I consider it to be the best Spider-Man run for all the development put on Peter and Mary Jane.
Yeah it was best. Spiderman wasn’t invincible yet. He fought mister Hyde and one member of the wrecking crew and kinda got the crap bout out of him.
A generation later he could beat the sinister 6 senseless and trade punches with the rhino. Bad writers use power inflation in place of drama. Ruined him same as it ruined Wolverine
DeFalco/Frenz is peak!
Peter got his bachelors degree in the Wolfman run, which is when you're considered 'graduated', but was getting his madters degree. Masters and docterate degrees are often called 'post-graduate' degrees
Well he couldnt but otto did that 30 years lol.
80's was a really great era for Spidey comics
I have fond memories of Stern’s Spidey. Stern’s Avengers was also good.
Stern was hands down the best Spider-man writer (and arguably the best Marvel writer). They manage to be fun, adventurous but adult at the same time.
Plot, dialougue, action, it would never get better.
The bad is that he defends One More Day.
Have you read JM Dematteis's Spectacular Spider-Man run? If not I hoghly, highly, highly recommend it (and Kraven's Last Hunt too but every Spoder-Man fan has read that)
@@rickrivers2021 yeah, JM was fine, but his stories dont always feel like Spider-man stories. That and an odd obsession with Vermin.
Ill take Stern, but Id rank JM better than most.
@@mayotango1317he doesnt defend One More day.
He just doesnt think MJ should be the one to marry Peter. Stern himself said that he himself wanted Peter to grow into marriage BUT not with mj. He was a huge Black Cat shipper
@@smithryansmithJMD is great lil bro and vermin is one of the most interesting spider-man villans ever.
For a little context about Peter quitting school, I believe it’s supposed to be that he graduates from his 4 yr bachelor program and everything following that is his Masters degree program (normally a 2 year program, but might take longer if you’re working professionally while going to school). Masters/graduate school is a program in addition to your bachelors for more advanced degrees!
So when he quits school, he’s quitting his masters degree program, but already has his bachelors degree
The 1980s is definitely my favorite decade when it comes to Spider-Man stories. So many great ones. The Kid Who Collects Spider-Man is easily one of my favorite Spider-Man stories ever.
Love the recognition of Roger Stern as a great Spidey writer!
Ran straight out of this video to Amazon to look for Stern's run in print. Nothing in stock. Great job Marvel!
Before reading Stern's run, I never really looked at Hobgoblin as a particualrly good Spider-Man villain, and kind of always saw him as just a "knock off" Green Goblin, but boy was I ever wrong. After reading Stern's run, I can confidently say that Hobgoblin is my all time favorite Spider-Man villain, and he definetly is a top five Spidey foe for sure. In general Roger Stern's run on Spider-Man is just fantastic, and is an all time favorite of mine.
hobgoblin was created by Roger Stern. He didn't exist before Stern's run
He was a good villain up until the chaotic id reveal.
@@robinmohamedally7587 I know Hobgoblin wasn’t a thing up until Stern’s run. I’m just talking about my experience in reading ASM.
Hobgoblin was always one of my favorites because he was a prominent menace in the animated series of the 90s.
me personally, JMS’s run before OMD was probably my favorite run outside of Ultimate
Ahhh, my favorite Spidey run! Nice coverage, as always!
Stern's Amazing Spider-Man gets my vote for favorite run (along with Gerry Conway and JMS), and I agree with most of what you said. I'm a fan of the three Vulture issues, particularly the second one with the manga-like cover inked by Bob Layton. Light years ahead of anything that been done with Spider-Man in his own title since One More Day, because, apparently, validating Joe Quesada's ego is more important than engaging the readers. One other highlight of Stern's run is that his interactions with Aunt May were much less cringe. Fewer "Hey, pretty lady"'s and comparing her to Farah Fawcett or what not.
Hobgoblin was definitely an improvement over the umpteenth Green Goblin, but now that Norman Osborn has been back for 20 years, it's long past time for the character to have been retired.
By the way, Spider-Man did graduate college during Wolfman's run. He quit graduate school during Stern's run.
Nothing can stop the Juggernaut was the first comic book I ever bought. It is the reason why I was in love with the character. It flows like a full on thriller.
I know there are issues with people thinking the greatest time during a run is when they, themselves, first got into it, but I don't really care. One year, my parents put two comics in my Christmas stocking: an AIM toothpaste-centric special issue of Spider-Man, and ASM #238 (the first appearance of the Hobgoblin). Stern's run is how I want comics to be.
In Brazil, the publisher Panini Comics is republishing this run in a collection called: "A Saga do Homem-Aranha" (The Spider-Man Saga). It's been a really cool run to follow.
I’m in the middle of reading the Stern Spidey omnibus and have been enjoying the heck out of it. It’s probably the last great run of classic Spidey before McFarlane takes over and breathes new life into him.
You don't graduate a year of Collage.
You pass a select number of classes to earn a degree, that's how it works.
So no, all those comic books could not have been with in the course of a year.
There were hints during Hobgoblin's first appearances that he was Roderick Kingsley.
Stern wanted him to be Kingsley from the start. He even wrote the storyline in the 90s where Kingsley is revealed to be the true hobby
I think Spider-man finished his undergrad by this point, but this is where he dropped out of grad school
Hearing about all this interesting stuff is why I wanted to get into Spider-Man comics, but for some reason I've never been able to successfully make that leap. It's been decades! perhaps I'll always on the outside looking in.
Every now and then, when the Interweb asks who did the best comic run. For an individual superhero, I always say Stern\JRJR on ASM.
If you’re curious for team superhero’s: the Claremont run.
This is my era, or rather, the era when I first began reading comics.
"he often tops"
Yeah, me too. Sometimes I get a little freaky tho
Stern's time on the comic is definitely something I catch myself coming back to fairly often. I can just pick up an issue and know it's gonna be some great stuff.
I prefer Defalco or JMD's run but this one is really incredible and deserves to be praised
Good video, if we pretend John Romita Sr doesnt exist.
I think that the JMD/Buscema run is best. It isn’t on MU, but an omnibus is coming out next year
OG Prowler comes back too in the late 80s/early 90s in the B-titles, though not as a villain
I loved when Roger Stern was writing Spider-Man. The issues with Cobra & Hyde, the battle with Juggernaut, the intro of Hobgoblin and The Kid Who Collects Spider-Man are some of my favorites. Stern's run on Spidey is the best in my opinion. 🕷️
Biased due to nostalgia ... loved the Stern/Mantlo runs ... hooked me into Spidey
Imo the best Spider-Man run is JM DeMatties’ Spectacular Spider-Man run, but Stern’s ASM run is top 5 for sure
Would love to hear you talk about the Mantlo/Milgrom PPTSSM run
I've always called this the Spectacular Bachelor era. 1983-1987
Spider-Man would be about 20-21 during these years, 4 publication years = 1 marvel year. Spider-Man was 15 in 1962, making him 20 between the 1981-1984 publication years
Also all the best Spidey comics take place when he lives at 410 Chelsea
That is such a good name for this era, and I totally agree that Peter’s Chelsea apartment is totally great! Really sucked when he moved out of it.
I'm sure Peter was a high school senior in '62, meaning he was 17
I would say he was a sophomore in 1962 story. He graduated in #28- he is 18 probably then. First two or three years of Marvel tries to refer to an actual month between stories.@@anthonyrossiter1374
@@anthonyrossiter1374 acutally not, he is in the first year of high school on Amazing Fantasy 15, the Ditko run covers two to three years of Peter's life, and by the end of it he is starting college, by this logic he is 17 or 18 when the Romita - Lee run starts.
@oldmanlogan9616 I'm certain he was 17 and quickly graduated high-school by issue #28 due to this. I believe 15 began with Ultimate and was then retconned into 616.
Each video is a step closer to the clone saga
how I feel reading through the comics atm lmao. 1994 atm
@@anthonyrossiter1374good luck. After powering througj the clkne saga I was too burnt out to read Spider-Man at all for over a year lol
@@rickrivers2021 yikes hahah! luckily I've got the new USM to keep me on my Spidey hype!
The best Spider-Man run is the Lee-Romita run on Amazing Spider-Man.
I’m partial to JMS’ run regardless of the clusterF it was at the end.
I think Roger Stern realized that in order to make Jameson out to be a good man with a misguided attitude towards Spider-Man (an idea that most adaptations seems to take from these days), Jameson NEEDED to face consequences and redemption from his previous actions. Over time, Jameson was written to be more and more of a heroic character with some awful takes concerning Spider-Man, rather than the jealous, spiteful maniac as see in the Lee/Ditko era… but truth be told, before the Roger Stern era… I was expecting some kind of inevitable heel turn from Jameson given his history. Instead, Jameson is given a whole face turn and exposes himself and taking Hobgoblin’s power over him away. It was crazy and in a way, kind of inspirational. Most continuities has Spider-Man refuse to kill if he can avoid it because he believes in redemption, and even though Jameson was never a villain Spidey could just punch… Jameson, in Stern’s run, proves the value of Peter’s views. If the Spider-Man hating, super villain funding, maniac can regret his past and become better… maybe more people can. Although Jameson having awful Spider-Man takes is a constant, I like the fact that Stern cemented Jameson as a straight shooter who truly does believe in justice and integrity.
I mean I thought Peter was supposed to have graduated like college, and dropped out of graduate school.
ultimate spiderman ( pre miles ) is my goat
Mysterio totally had a "last hunt" moment, he just did it in a Daredevil book so Spidy fans don't talk about as much.
1:37 Miles Morales suit inspiration? 👀
Not exactly
What did you see that I didn't?
@alexcomtois7932 spider-man is facing the light thus it's darker on his back
1962-1973 was the golden age of Spiderman.
1974 -1975 was decline period.
1976-1981 the comic was in a rut
1982-1993 was Spider-Man's renascence era.
1994-2000 the messy years
2001-2003 last great era
2004-pressent ...No one cares about what the comics did from 04 onward.
Renascence?!
Secret of The Sinister Six by Troy Castro. That is THEE greatest SpiderMan ever written.
Gotta go with Steve ditko day one
I REALLY need to invest in a CGC Amazing Spider-Man #238, already. Hobgoblin rules.
Honestly feel like not revealing the identity of the Hobgoblin would of been the best move as it really does fit in Stern’s intention with the character of being a true successor to the Green Goblin.
Specifically with how Goblin was originally conceived by Ditko as being a completely unidentified villain who had little to no ties with the hero in question. Like, sure, that’s basically just Ditko’s way of reflecting his whole objectivist beliefs just to highlight how crime and the people who commit them are barely humanized individuals whose motives are never defined thus deserve punishment without sympathy, but it really seems like an interesting approach for villain especially in the Marvel Universe to not have a defining orgin to trace back why they want to commit crime.
This would be fascinating if not for the fact that Ditko said multiple times over the years, in both essays and to friends / pen pals, that he (Ditko) always intended Norman Osborn to be the Green Goblin.
This is another Stan Lee tall tale that, in Lee's version of events, the "argument" over GG is why Ditko left Spidey. In fact, Ditko and Lee were not even on speaking terms at that time, and Ditko was speaking solely to Sol Brodsky. Ditko would turn in his fully plotted comics, Lee would tell changes to make to Brodsky (stuff like swap these character positions, etc), Brodsky told Ditko, Ditko did them, and Lee did the final dialogue.
If we want to give Lee the benefit of the doubt, the "Wow, this is just some nobody!" revelation had been done multiple times in Spidey by that point, including Electro and Crime Master, so Lee may be getting it mixed up.
But Ditko put his foot that he always intended Norman to be GG. It tracks if you read the comics, even ignoring Lee's dialogue. In Ditko's second to last issue, we learn that Norman is not only evil, but somehow has the ability of flight (shoots at Spider-Man from a window without a ledge). These are Ditko's own words:
"Now digest this: I knew from Day One, from the first GG story, who the GG would be. I absolutely knew because I planted him in J. Jonah Jameson’s businessmans club, it was where JJJ and the GG could be seen together. I planted them together in other stories where the GG would not appear in costume, action…I planted the GG’s son (same distinctive hair style) in the college issues for more dramatic involvement and storyline consequences. So how could there be any doubt, dispute, about who the GG had to turn out to be when unmasked?"
I agree 💯 that the 80s ADULT Spider Man was by FAR the BEST!
I can't STAND the current "BUMBLING" version..
😖😖
It aint the best one but it is indeed top 5. Along with Davids Spectacular, Millers Marvel Knights, JMDs spectacular and JMS amazing.
Wait nvm its top 6. Michelienes Amazing run is better too
Venom is an alien villain tho. At least the goo is.
Hasn't been for years it's more of a disdain tbh
Peter was in grad school.
Missue.
And Todd macfarlene
How to get this run? Buying comics in my country is insanely hard anyway, but even on sites like Amazon (which I can't even order from) I can't find it for a decent price. New printing came out only in 2021. Why is it so rare?
Will you ever cover Marvel Team-Up?
I'll eventually go back and cover Team-Up in it's own right
The hobegobelin what a great Idea. It was better than to create an another green gobelin. It was great till they decide to trick Everyone on who was really was the hobegobelin
That was the whole point from dsy one though
Hobby was good until Preist fired Defalco and couldn't figure out who to reveal so decided to shoehorn Ned Leeds despite already having him killed.
Eyy
Really, everything was Great. Spider-Man stopped being Great after David Micheline / Erik Larsen.
Eh I think J.M. DeMatteis/Sal Buscema spectacular spider-man run is the best but pollard run was good too.
This is an ok period for Peter Parker. People just like this Spider-Man because in Stern's words, "he's virtually unbeatable." The Spider-Sense became a cure all. Stern turned cool villains into Super Lame (Tarantula, Cobra, Hyde, Mad Thinker's Android). It's just the ultimate adolescent power fantasy. Repetitive David Vs Goliath stories where David is actually stronger and doesn't have to use his brain.
I’ve had better runs in my shorts