Why You Otter First Pick Lutri In Vintage Cube
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- Опубликовано: 2 мар 2024
- I took Lutri and swung for the fences (the fences being UW Cheons, of course).
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I think that LSV’s and other pro players ability to stay calm minded despite the unfavorable situations that come up during a game, truly is something that makes them great, knowing when you lose to variance and when one is out played
Don’t get me wrong, I like lutri, but I would slam oko or reanimate over it, and I’d probably pick shelldock isle above it as well. It’s a great card, I just think it’s a bit overrated
I said the same but who knows why goats do the things they do
What happened in round one is just justice for passing on okko for lutri!
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1:02:11 I think Remand would do it if you cast it first, so you Remand the Oracle and than Talisker would had to sac LED to recast - losing Breach in the process - than you Drain it the Oracle; or talisker don't sack LED, cast Breach you Drain it and than he couldn't sack LED to cast Oracle; or he cast Breach, sack led you could Drain it the Oracle and he wouldn't have double blue to recast.
He doesn’t have triple blue to both cast remand and mana drain
@@user-ub9ft7ku1p No, he hadn't, but because he played the wrong land, that's why he said the remand wouldn't do it.
Ya, playing the island woulda won him the game, but he could have just mana drained first like he did, followed by a remand, because
after the remand on thassa’s, he only had 1 blue left, so has to recast LED AND play oracle again, and not enough graveyard fodder, even with the 2 more permanents he could add to the graveyard (research and bloodtithe)
@@bumpasaurus487 Yeah, I guess remand would do it then, I was think about Remand the Breach not the Oracle.
@@joaopedrosousa. ya, I bet other lines could work too. 👍
I really like to avoid functional duplicates in my own cube. I like omitting novice inspector as a result. Part of what I love about cube is that every threat and answer feels distinct.
Same issue with Commander. Wotc continually creates functional reprints for many staples specifically for commander so it might as well not be singleton anymore.
Maybe the answer to the Thraben/Novice Inspector problem is to periodically rotate one for the other! 😆
No one is more consistent and informative as this channel!
Omitting Novice Inspector for being a duplicate doesn’t seem right while the cube still has both Elvish Mystic and Llanowar Elves
I think there is a contextual difference between the two examples as green 1/1 elves are synonymous with the mono green strategy where as 1/2 white clue producers don't have a set archetype. The chances of two players wanting a thraben/novice inspector each is much higher than the chance of two different players wanting the elves.
In my eyes this is more an argument against elvish mystic. In the particular case of green, it needs a complete overhaul in the cube, and trimming the million ramp elves who often go unpicked is a necessary first step.
@@nyx-lm8ecmana dorks are severely underrated change my mind
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This ain't it chief. Dorks are hella strong and they get picked/ignored just as often as the generic red and white weenies.
@@jamesbrains1350that’s more of an argument against the double elves in my opinion. Because you’re basically saying, having 2 of the exact same elf doesn’t matter so much because there are like 7 other similar mana dorks. I don’t think exact copies should ever be in the same cube, and I would try not to have too many mostly similar cards either. I feel their should be a few less mana dorks in green, one less 4/4 haste green guy, etc.
Having 2 of the exact same elf is particularly egregious because there are already so many similar ones.
Both inspectors! They make games better. Opponents don‘t shudder if an inspector is played. But everytime oneself plays an inspector, it gives so much joy. With two copies in the cube, more people would more often have a bit more joy in their lifes.
Regarding Inspector - I think having an edfective dupe in the Cube is fine - it fits into multiple decks well enough wothout being a make or break for any of them.
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Please consider doing an old school LSV move where you would “cut” colors by taking a double/triple pip card first pick (hopefully blue). There have been some drafts where you opened what you describe as an unimpressive pack with cards like Cryptic Command in them (ok well let’s grab that). Shoot, you might even wheel/double wheel high tide. ❤
Cant do stuff like this in team draft guys.
i think you should definitely have BOTH thraben inspector and novice inspector. i love that card, it's so flexible and good at all points in the game
LSV cube drafts is my happy place
For novice inspector, while it is a solid card, I think you maybe dont need two cards with the exact same effect when the cut off for cube is so tight
Some times, specially with 1 drops, redundancy is great. Take all the 1 mana blue cantrips or the 1 mana mana-dorks
Also, it's one of the more premium 1 drops for a lot of white decks, if you're looking at cutting 1's in white, there are several that are less powerful and support less archetypes than thraben and novice
In match 3 game 1, doesn't remand + drain do it because of the following: you remand oracle the first time they cast it, they would either let remand resolve and go for breach which you can drain, or they crack LED with remand on the stack to replay oracle, which again, you would be able to drain the 2nd time. Perhaps I am missing another line available to them
Remand plus drain wins in many ways, including the way LSV played it, by just mana draining the oracle, then remand it when he tries again, it ends up being just enough, as he’s one card off from recasting it when all said and done. Because he only has 1 blue mana left after the remand, so he would be forced to cast LED and thassa, and not enough graveyard fodder.
I love thraben inspector and welcome a second one. It's an interesting card with a lot of play for a 1 drop. It gets there on power level too
I think lightning bolt / chain lightning is a more reasonable double include than novice inspector / thraben inspector because the bolts are great in nearly any deck with red mana, whereas the inspectors get more marginal in certain archetypes. Maybe I’m off base with that though?
Very minimum, maybe replace thraben with Novice for that sweet “detective” creature type😂🤣
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You would have won playing the island!!!
because after the remand on thassa’s, he would only have 1 blue left, so has to recast LED and play oracle again, and not enough graveyard fodder, even with the 2 more permanents he could add to the graveyard (research and bloodtithe)
Having missed a few new sets and not familiar with all the cards is there any way to reposition your camera so you don’t block the card reader/zoomed cards on the right?
I think the best comparison is elvish mystic and llanowar elves. It doesn't feel strange at all to have them both, so I think over time it will probably feel similar (with regards to the thraben novice question)
The two inspectors have enough decks/archetypes that could use that versatile little effect that I think it warrants both copies.
I'm pretty sure remand has never been passed unless it's vs power/top50 level cards.
Not that i disagree though, remand is love, remand is life
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I would literally pay to see you draft more Cheons (or stax lol). I love the new 40K cards, but I'm always hoping to see new cube editions that power up control!
Haha, hindsight 20/20, but the out to avoid Catacombs loss was Preordian into Path on Archon, cast Bomb, attack all + sac Paragon to nug for 6 = 13 damage 😂
Also looks like Island > tap land for Remand and Path to stop Oracle would’ve worked.
RE: Thraben/Novice, I feel like the spirit of cube is to do busted stuff and they’re one of the most consistent +EV cards in the entire cube, having two of them is akin to having Llanowar/Mystic since they’re the best thing white can do in turn 1 in most games?
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Inspector Discussion: I think its totally fine to add Novice Inspector since that effect is just "A decent white 1 drop." I think its ok to even ignore the fact that it's a functional duplicate card. There are less powerful white one drops in most cube lists. Looking at you Usher of the Fallen. Savannah Lions just doesn't feel like what we're trying to do in cube anymore, even with a tiny, rarely gets used, token maker upside. If you have a card that's better than that to play in a comparable slot, you just should.
Specifically comparing to Usher, I think that inspector #2 is better in Artifacts, better in Control, Better in Lurrus 4-5c, and only marginally worse in aggro. Neither card gets played in other combo decks. So don't ask "should I have 2 inspectors?" ask "Why am I playing savannah lions over this cool clue 1/2?"
I think you should add in Novice Inspector just to see what it's like. We all have things to say about it, but why not collect empirical evidence, and worst case cut it afterwards.
Some cool games, pretty sick to see people winning with doomsday on either side of the table
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Novice Inspector is fine in my opinion. It has a very high floor, and it is very cool with bombadiers and gut. Those synergies are very neat in my opinion and I'd like to see more of them. I also love boros though so im biased.
I think it would be good to try novice inspector for a while, see if you like having two of that effect in the cube
novice inspector, while against the spirit of the cube, it is a card i would like to see in the cube
you are doing a magic master class now on cfb?
I would say yes to novice inspector in the cube, referring to llanowar elves and elvish mystic as a similar situation
Was the dark rit sinkhole someone that really did not want to get dazed?
I think have the 2 inspectors is similar to having llanowar elves/elvish mystic/fyndhorn elves where it's more fun to have consistent access to powerful 1 mana plays that aren't game warping
Could he be playing around daze with the Dark Ritual/Sink Hole? He really wanted to cut you off from blue.
I’ve been watching a few videos and never seen Isamaru or Goblin Guide? Are they not in?
Neither is in. I don't think Isamaru has ever been in the LSV cube and it's been out of the MTGO vintage cube for a while. Goblin guide was basically replaced by Ragavan and DRC. The other red 1 drops are Boumat and Grim.
I don’t think they’re in. They’re also not in the MTGO cube right now.
One way this draft could have been improved is pack 3, pick 2 simply taking the Hallowed Foutain over the Vendillion Clique when you already have so many great playables. While LSV was picking the V Clique he was already saying how dissapointing the pack was + "really hoping" the Hallowed Fountain would wheel, which of course it didn't. V-Clique ended up being sideboarded, so essentially the pick was wasted anyway - so why not take the Hallowed Fountain directly.
My cube has zero duplicates. So I only have Llanowar Elves, but not Elvish Mystic, nor Fyndhorn Elves.
no remand is save from this man
I'm on the side with: we don't need thrabby b & novice in the same cube. Maybe we could get a poll going ?
LSV just wants more thraben inspectors
I don't think cube needs 2 Thraben Inspectors. Its a decent playable, but most tables won't have 2 ppl that want it, and the person who does, doesn't even necessarily want 2 . And its kinda weird to have the clone thing like you mentioned.
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Is palantir ever first pickable? Am I crazy for evaluating that card that high?
I mean, there are packs where it theoretically is, sure. I do think it's very good, but I'm not sure you should be happy with it being a first pick.
I think Palantir is way better than people take it for. Only decks that don't run it and get benefit are super combo heavy decks like storm. Its also colorless making it a super safe pick early on. And in reanimator it will always be more gas to your deck.
In pack 2 once you're in an archetype it pops off in, sure 🙃
Idk I'd want to take it p1p1 while there's still a chance I land in an aggro deck that doesn't want it. Now in pack 2 if I'm looking like big dumb artifacts or reanimator? Hell yes.
It's called magic the gathering, not a chess, so 😸 my favourite quote I also use haha
What about Hard Evidence?
Day two of LSV immediately disagreeing with his own top 50 list
Day One: Takes Hullbreacher > Archon, Top 50 has Archon > Hullbreacher
Day Two: Takes Lutri > Reanimate, Top 50 has Reanimate > Lutri
Never change LSV😂
TBH I don’t enjoy drafting Reanimator all that much, at least not compared to most blue decks
And we (or at least I), will always enjoy LSV playing blue instead of reanimator. Unless it's that tin fins storm deck here drafted years ago
I think novice would be sick but cutting a unique card for an exact copy of a card that you already have in the cube feels bad
Don't need a functional dupes, agree with your non-inclusion of ravages and novice inspector. I think that green is even deep enough these days that you don't even need to dupe llanowar, though that one is more fine because it is so on flavor
Ones a soldier and ones a detective tho!!😂🤣 doesn’t that matter for seasoned dungeoneer and possibly a few other random cards wanting soldiers.
1:02:15 Remanding Breach leaves Talisker without another R to recast it so it would've won the game I believe.
He just sack LED for red, replay breach, replay LED, sack for blue, cast Oracle. But, if LSV remand the Oracle, than yes, Talisker would haven't blue for Oracle after mana drain either Breach or Oracle.
I very much do enjoy the content.. however it does turn me off a bit to see LSV acting dismissive/superior to some opponents. In this draft, our round 1 opponent made some unusual plays, sure, but they ended up taking the dub and I would love to see more grace displayed by Luis, rather than the sulky, judgmental tone I picked up on in this one.
Lutri won LSV a couple of games he was already winning, and was useless every other time 👍
Not true in the slightest. For example, in Match 2 around 46:50 the board was looking poor and Lutri reduced the incoming damage and made it easier to stabilize. St.Katherine into Timeless was a fantastic sequence that would've probably been good enough anyway, but the moment Lutri came into play, she turned a loosing board into less a loosing board (and the game was later won),
@@anonofyesterday4650If your defense of his P1P1 is "it was a 6 mana spell that saved three life" and ignore the fact that his opponent stopped casting spells while LSV ripped three bangers off the top, then sure.
He passed a Reanimate and Oko 😂
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I honestly think lutri is heavily overrated in this cube
I mean how bad can a free card be?
It’s a lot of mana to make it do anything though
I definitely think its abit win more
It’s a guaranteed eighth card in your opening hand. Lurrus is certainly more powerful, but it requires deck restrictions; Lutron requires nothing of you.
Also, it pitches to Force of Will, Pyrokinesis and Fury.
@@Pedun42 its not free whatsoever and thats the problem. It appears to be free but its a 3 mana investment without any impact with another 3 mana investment on top of an already mana intensive spell for it to have any effect on the game. In this example, 3 mana oko would have been better in every single scenario whilst you lose the "draw it every game" aspect, LSV only put Lutri in his hand twice the entire video. It's extremely underpowered & id imagine that both Reanimate and Oko provide more impact on an aggregate basis than Lutri ever will.
It's a 6 mana reverberate that only targets your spells it's not a bad card but definitely overrated
6 mana reverberate that you can pay for in installments, comes with a body, is always an 8th card you draw every game that can't be discarded, and doesn't take the place of a card in your deck. It may still be overrated, but it's better than your description gives it credit for.