Star Trek: 10 Production Secrets You Never Knew About The Klingons
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The Disco rework could work if they were a sect that attempted to reverse the Augment plague and it pushed too far and made them more beastly. They could decry the other Klingon as being remade as humans, tying into their motto, "Remain Klingon ".
That would have been a great explanation.
A sect that did it intentionally, or one that was tested on...
Either way, I'mma take this explanation and run with it.
Or it's just a production redesign....
That HAS been postulated elsewhere previously!
@@DrewLSsix Implied they have ALWAYS looked 'that' way to the characters' eyes!
I don’t know if anyone else has posted this in the comments but in Star Trek Enterprise they actually explained why there were “Ridgless” Klingons. As in the episode "Trials and Tribble-ations"from Star Trek deep space nine, when they questioned Worf why the Klingons from TOS looked they way they did in comparison to him he looked offended and simply said that was something they didn’t discuss.
There's also the story arc in Enterprise where the Klingons were experimenting with Human Ugenics tech and many mutated to look more human.
@@Boxfortress that's what he's talking about....
@@DrewLSsix oops missed that somehow only picked up on the ds9 bit
It was honestly better left unexplained.
@@vic5015 Worf could simply have said, "Ethnic diversity."
The reason they finally switched out Kor's sash for Worf's silver one: they realized (as it was painted gold in the 1960s), that it was in fact lead based paint he had been wearing next to his skin/spandex suit, and sweating against every day.
OUCH! Good call:OH&S!
Worf having Kor's sash from TOS is now my new headcanon
Klingons have more organs because they're supposed to be redundant organs, not extra organs to survive. So the point that they need more armor is absolutely ridiculous because they've literally evolved to where they don't NEED that much armor.
Fucking Kurtzman and his crew really need to actually watch TNG and DS9. It's stated several times that Klingons have redundant, extra and more robust organs like their third lung and eight chambered heart all things that would make them tougher warriors.
@@DarkYuy I just don't consider anything past Enterprise to be canon. The other shows are just a money grap to attract non-Trekkers.
@@Primalxbeast I don't even consider enterprise canon.
@@DarkYuy tldr; Enterprise is extremely canon because it's what establishes the difference between the Prime and Kelvin timeline.
Archer's actions save Romulus = Prime Timeline
Archer's actions doom Romukus = Kelvin Timeline.
@@foegettergames252 how the hell does archer save or doom Romulus. I found enterprise to be pretty terrible the only good thing about it was the cast.
The extra organs are for redundancy. It's a strength not a weakness.
Yes, it was mentioned definitely in TNG, and maybe DS9.
Then the need for the extra protection?
Really enjoyed this! I definitely think the Cardassians or Bajorans would be good for the next videos.
#6. Her name is Heather Langenkamp. Nancy Thompson was the character’s name in ‘Nightmare on Elm Street.’
THANK YOU!!! I completely blanked on her name while I was recording, I felt terrible!!
If New Nightmare taught us anything, it's that Heather is Nancy. ;)
@@MAMoreno oh hell yes! I actually really like that film - its my second nightmare film, saw it just after the original :)
I never taught that ears would be expensive but it makes sense considering someone needs to sculpt them one by one for every actor.
Kahless, killing his brother and then forming an empire, sounds more like Roman mythology that Christianity.
Actually, if you read the Christian Bible (or the Jewish Torah) Cain and Abel were brothers born to Adam and Eve after they were cast from Eden and were the first murderer and first victim respectively. Cain became jealous when God favored Abel's sacrifice more than his and killed him. That's where the famous quote, "Am I my brother's keeper?" comes from. (Btw, the answer is supposed to be Yes, we are our brothers' keepers). It's in Genesis chapter 4. Not very Christ-like, but it is what Christ died for.
The more you know! 🌈
That IS taken straight from Romulus and Renus, mythical founders of Rome...
Would be super cool to see a video on Andorians! Perhaps even on some material on their people from the post nemesis novels. I learned a great deal from those books!
This video was fascinating. I'd love to see an in-depth look at the Trill. Exploring the differences between life aboard Starfleet starbases vs ships would be cool.
Then deep dive into reconciling the first Trill onscreen (Odan) with later ones (Dax)
The TOS Klingons looked like 1950's jazz musicians whose day job was working in coal mines. TNG Klingons weren't universally loved by fans either. They looked like they had cranial bone cancer. I think the writing and the actor, Michael Dorn, made the new Klingons popular. I don't hate the Discovery iteration but I prefer the TNG, DS9 versions. Mostly because how they were written.
It’s Klingons, mate. It’s been Klingons since last century. Dunno who these Klinglons are
Kling-lons?
@@1978rharris WHAT do the USS Enterprise & Toilet paper have in common?
I always thought that the Discovery Klingons were essentially just a different ethnicity, in the same way that on Earth we have Caucasian, African, Asian etc but are all still human.
I thought that humans, Vulcans, Romulans, Cardashians, and Klingons all came from the same humanoid species.
@@garyhall2770 they do. But like I said here on Earth we have different ethnicities but are all still human. It makes more sense than having a single race across an entire planet.
You sir, make a really good point!
As Discworld Dwarves say... "Today is a good day for someone else to die..."
I always thought it quite odd that Worf was wearing the same sash that was worn by Kor from TOS.
Remember DS9, the episode about Kahless sword ? Worf fangirling about Kor, Kirk and the Organians ?
@@tomf3150 " Orgainia, where Kor fought with Kirk !!!". Worf elaborates history.
I had my doubts since Worf wore it over a different shoulder than Kor did. Guess they just flipped the sash front to back or top to bottom.
Honestly assumed it was an unspoken ¥Klingon honor thing"
Interesting thing to note: Worf is wearing his sash on the opposite shoulder from Kor. Watch the video and you'll note Kor has it on his left shoulder. Worf wears it on his right shoulder.
So it didn't cover his communicator?
@@mrgreatbigmoose Must be. It would look odd with Worf being the only one to wear a comm badge on his right breast.
@@Raja1938 Could be a caste thing as well!
Kahless seems to have more in common with King Arthur.
King Arthur is also a Jesus clone.
The Klingon redesign was completely unnecessary IMO. They don’t need to be better predators. We are good predators and no sci-fi show redesigns us with Python ridges or more nostrils or whatever.
Kurtz says the Ferengi evolved their entire facial structures in 1000 years so he may be so stupid as to add four-armed humans in Discovery and claim it as evolution
I love the klingon redesign and the predatory idea was genius and makes perfect evolutionary sense. IMO.
@@foegettergames252 er OK .
@@foegettergames252 Dude. Warp 10 salamanders were considered to be the next evolutionary step in Voyager. Anything’s possible.
In fairness, TOS Klingons weren't consistently portrayed in dark face. The ones in Trouble with Tribbles weren't, especially Koloth. He was as white as they come.
I always thought Kahless was based on King Arthur…the prophecy about his return is almost exactly the same as Arthur - his whole story lines up more with Arthurian legend than Jesus.
And King Arthur's 'I'll be back' is a direct reference to Jesus
Me seeing this posted 50 minutes ago and adding it to my star wars/star trek playlist:"Ahh this will make a fine addition to my collection" *cough* *cough* ...sorry ..spicy noodles....
You're my hero, Grunt.
This one is in my top five favorite TrekCulture videos!
Would love to see a similar video about the Romulans
i loved the ST: Into Darkness Klingons. Bummed we haven't seen more of that.
I remember the first time I saw Worf all I could think was "what is that supposed to be". Young kid who saw TOS Klingons in syndication, but not old enough to have seen any of the movies and home video wasn't an option at the time.
Is it bad that if I see a TrekCulture video that's NOT Sean, I don't really pay attention? I'm not a fan of the entire staff. But Sean always makes it interesting!
Love this video - would love to see one on the Andorians or the Cardassians :D (or both ;) )
The Breen or the Hirojan, they were cool 😎
I missed this video when it aired originally somehow, but I not only love the video (Sean content is the best content on the interwebs) but I absolutely love this kind of content. More of this please.
More like this, please! I love behind the scenes production stuff.
Missed watching your videos my darling Seán!! You're a genius
You are!
Great video and actually appreciate the insight into the Discovery Klingons, I like the logical reasoning behind the head sensory organs and the bulky armor, makes me want to watch it more, actually.
Captain, their's Blingons on the starboard bow!
Also, am I the only one who wonders WHO punished Kortar for slaying the Klingon Gods- if you killed the gods, who was around to saddle him with the Ferryman job?
Honor .
@@Tripserpentine Why would he (or any Klingon, really) feel slaying those troublesome deities was dishonorable?
@@Sephiroth144 he stayed on the job for honor, bringing the honored death to sto vo kor.
saw your comment and my brain started to ponder.
They killed ALL of the Klingon gods, including the one who ferried the souls. This caused the souls of the dishonored dead to rise up and fight the honored dead in an attempt to enter Sto-vo-kor. Once they were defeated Kortar was condemned/compelled (by honor and the residents of Sto-vo-kor) to captain the barge of the dead as he was the one to allow the dishonored the chance to try to take Sto-vo-kor.
Awesome video as always :D if I could pick a race to be featured, I would go with the Andorians (I loved them in ST:Enterprise :D )
New Klingons speak in marblemothball
I almost nerdgasmed while watching this but paused at the right moment to regain my composure.
Star Trek needs to listen to their fanbase and give us what we actually want.
And what do ..WE.. want?
@@Adam_Outdoors ::
idk about you, but I want Star Trek Discovery and Picard reruns on cable and satellite. I think that would help.
@@JeremyWS Why? That's like expecting Netflix to "re-run" their own creations on cable/satellite, it makes no sense to at this moment in time. You can get them on-demand on the creator own network.
We can watch them any time we like, why wait for them to air on cable/sat? lol
Those original sashes were mot burlap they were a synthetic placemat material. Growing up in the 60's we actually had those placemats!
(Starts thumping desk rhythmically)
8:50 I wasn't able to watch Discovery and the other later Trek shows, as I couldn't get passed the way the Klingons looked. I suppose I was so used to them a different way, that it didn't look right, like this.
I have a copy of Elm Street on VHS that I had signed by Langenkamp, Saxon and Englund :) Coolest thing I own.
That was some great info. I'm definitely all for seeing more themed vids like this.
Ok, when are we getting a stand alone Klingon Show?
#2 is now officially my new most favorite ST Fact! Alll hail the first Klingon!
John Calicos was a great Klingon! (And the Disgracery redesign is silly.)
Love it! I am a huge Klingon fan
What about a video about the Andorians and the Aenar?
Klingons? "Don't believe them! Don't trust them!"
Adam & Eve "I learned to make fiction from the Lie Berry."
Great episode of Boston Legal where Denny and Alan are at Nemo Bay. Alan talks about a fish that clings to other fish and Denny espoused, Klingons?
Great. More sean ferrick. One thing this channel needs is endless videos from this guy!
Ferengi please!
The klingons in season one weren't ceremonially bald. That's a retcon after backlash.
One that ignores all evidence to the contrary. Flashbacks with bald Klingons, and let's not forget all the other wars the Klingons have been in where they weren't bald. A terrible attempt at changing course and making an excuse for bad production decisions.
8:08 Couldn't help wondering what the dog thought about the strange looking person shaking his paw.🙂 As far as I was concerned there was no need to explain away the Klingon alterations from the TOS to ST:TMP.
I too laughed at the dog's expression. It is weirded out for sure.
Absolutely smashed it again! This was a great episode!
The Discovery season 1 Klingons are... Strange beyond reason.
It's an alteration to a visual style that has been around for decades... There really was no reason to re-deaign an entire species. Especially once so iconic, and especially in such a drastic way.
As much as I dislike JJ Abrams, and his constant visual failures.... I for once feel his redesign, was much more in line with the decades of history.
This said, I do quite adore the Klingon clothing in Discovery, long as one thinks of it only as a ceremonial set, and not their normal garb.
Kor has the best grin
The discovery Klingons should never have happened and anyone involved in their creation and utilization should never be allowed to work on Star Trek again.
Other than that, loved the video!
Yes please, more like this!
Great video!
Do more!
Do the Borg next!!!
i think we all agree that a borg video like this would be nice .
2:27 That part reminds me of mythos of Romulus and Remus.
Post design reasons, that's what it is. A that point, why aren't the humans different ? The usual klingons were already fierce predators.
Yeah, change for change's sake sadly
Blingons......I find that hilarious.
Absolutely fantastic vid
Do the Andorians!
I agree with DC Fontana. Romulans would have been a better enemy race. TOS used the Klingons well enough, but TNG and subsequent Treks went too often to the Klingon well to point that a I knew a Worf/Klingon centric episode would be boring because the Klingons are a one-note race. It's honor this and honor that. Ugh.
That's true in more ways than you realize... Klingons are a one note (dollar) race where the Romulans are a many note race. An you must honor the dollar!
Oooo! Loved this episode! Do Trills or Betazoids next!
I appreciate you not shying away from controversial history or disowning it in anyway. It's history, let just embrace that this is how it was at the time.
Anytime I see TOS Klingons, the Foreigner song, Dirty White Boy pops into my head
10:54 Adam and Eve? I though it would have been Lucifer....or Zeus for rebelling against the Cronus Titans
There do seem to be better stories that fit. Is it possible that someone said "To həll with it, I'm gonna write my own story/creation narrative" and we are just seeing our own parallels in it?
@@markhoffart622 You basically just described Christianity. All they did is write their own mythology but based it on other religion before it.
00:27 🤣🤣🤣 DOLLAR BILL$!!!
I love the idea that Jesus was Low born. In reality, his father was a carpenter, back then, that would have meant they were comfortable, maybe not rich, but certainly well off by the standards of the day
ROMULANS!!! Or Trill... my 2 fav Trek aliens.
Worf said it was an embarrassing secret for why the Klingons kept changing thier appearance.
No problem with DISCO Klingon baldies, but 4 nostrils and Alien (the movie) elongated heads was just too far out there. Should have been introduced as a Klingon offshoot or hybrid with another race.
Especially after they explained the TOS smooth foreheads in Enterprise. Right? Or am I imagining that? My memory is shite.
@@quietizkept Ridges were a genetic disease. No longer deadly, but everyone has ridges now. Hinted at in DS9 but then talked about in Enterprise, yes
Should have just gone with another race entirely. If they cared so much about artistic freedom as to alter the Klingons? then why not change the name too? to keep the fans happy? then why alter them in the first place?
I would like to play a Klingon sometime it would be interesting for sure.
Definitely Cardassians for the next one please
I'd like one about my favorite race, the Gorn!
11:00 Is this image from the video "Don't Pay the Ferryman" by Chris DeBurgh?
During the Klingon civil war or Worf's age of ascension ceremony using those pain sticks made Worf feel pain on the holodeck. When Worf underwent surgery for his spine.
The TOS Klingons may have been based on racial stereotypes, but they will always be my favorites.
Klingons!!! Woo Hoo!!! 🖖
wait a minute, go back to the part you said IT'S THE SAME SASH!?!?!?😱😱😱
Just like Earthlinks, not all Earthlinks are the same race. Why should all Klingons be one race or colour?
My Mother described my little sister as a Klingon because my sister was always hanging onto my Mom for the first , oh 6 years of her life.
I keep waiting for the day that someone online goes through the original trek & adds forehead ridges to all the Klingons digitally. It would ruin the retconed history, but I could see it happening to avoid the stereotypes in the makeup.
Back in the 90s, I did some filming for a Viking documentary on the Discovery Channel and had my make up done(battle wounds) by Michael Westmore's wife. Which was cool. 🖖
Kahless the unforgettable? Who's that? I've forgot
#6: Did you forget that the actress’ name is Heather Langenkamp? Yet, you only refer to her as Nancy, her character name in Nightmare on Elm Street.
I may have missed it, but what happened to the original burlap sash?
Can u do the Cardassians plz and not the Kardasshians
Didn't Roddenberry once say not to cover the eyes with makeup?
9:30 - Dude, Adam and Eve were a Jewish thing for a long time before there was a thing call "Christianity", lol.
And why is he winking there...?
You are absolutely right Sam M, but that is not going to get a reaction from as many people.
@@markhoffart622 - Hell, if they wanted a reaction they should have referred to it as a Muslim thing, which would have also been just as true, lol.
Surely Klingons are a species, not a race? Anyway, this was great (apart from the background music that gets in the way), thank you.
They're both - the human race etc - I think you're confusing ethnicity with race.
A Nerdgasm’s ok, every now and then. Just don’t over-do it. Or you might go blind…
Btw, how comes that we’ve never seen you wear a ‘ritos crew shirt?
The Klingons a warrior race, the Klingon Defense Forces & ships. It was all about fighting & dying for honor or dishonor. The Bird of Prey vessel or K,Tinga battle cruiser or Vor, cha attack cruiser. Besides the Romulans or Cardassians or Ferengi, Bajorans or Vulcans.