Even though hoarding is taken more seriously these days it is still so humiliating for the hoarder, when they really have no control. It should be treated as a dangerous level of OCD and not just viewing the people as "lazy". When the guy said he didn't want anyone to see how he lived my heart just broke. It's so sad, to go through such pain and such humiliation to get lifesaving help...
@@Nayaspov For most hoarders it’s embarrassing to admit or some are even to scared to get help because they feel like they will get judged, most of them feel like it’s to precious to throw away so they keep it and can’t stand their stuff being thrown away they know they need help but they can’t get the Motivation to do so
@@Nayaspov if they were getting help, you'd judge them for not getting help sooner. If they tried to get help sooner, when it's not that bad yet, you'd judge them for asking for help when they should deal with it using their own willpower. For example people with ADHD, while not necessarily hoarders, have often trouble with keeping their space clean and orderly (though I'd say that usually not in a health risk way, just, there is a mess everywhere - if course everyone is different bur there is a tendency to do that) and they are judged for not solving it on their own (despite how many times they tried) or taking meds to help them function, called lazy etc. "Light" hoarders probably get the same treatment from people.
One thing that I think Chicago Med does better than any other show is the psychological aspect of both doctors and patients. It's an important message. The people who are nutjobs, who seem to commit random acts, and who live lives that make other people look down on them... they're often the ones truly suffering.
I'm always impressed by the _"power"_ the psych doctors on Chicago Med have in the ER. They are often extremely involved in major decisions that are made and sometimes even seem to have more _pull_ then the trauma docs
Hoarding is actually a symptom of trauma and grief. A lot of people I know personally started hoarding after a tragedy or a trauma they can't get past. They need to cling on to things because they've lost loved ones and can't deal. They need bereavement counseling.
I've thankfully never gotten as bad as the hoarders you see on TV, but my low-level hoarding was definitely triggered by trauma and loss. It's at a manageable level at the moment, thankfully, but it's a very real mental illness that requires treatment.
That's what I always say. Its coming from somewhere. My grandmother hoarded a bunch of stuff in her little room and my mother tends to do the same. People don't get to this level of living through laziness or lack of hygiene. It has a psychological root. Just like morbidly obese people who cant get out of their bed have a psychological root to where they got.
My late uncle was a hoarder. A class five one to be exact. His home was in horrible shape and the only people he’d ever let visit him were my dad or any of his male friends. He never let my mother (his younger sister) visit him because he was so ashamed about how he lived. He passed 18 years ago of a heart attack (in my home during around thanksgiving) but years later when my grandmother was meeting the end of her life, we found boxes upon boxes of stuff. She was a class 3 hoarder and mom and I realized my uncle inherited it from grandma.
I lived with hoarders for 12.5 years… it wasn’t this bad (it was still horrid) but it’s always a nightmare I have that it gets worse. How did he ever get out and work? Or was he a recluse?
Some people have hoarding tendencies. If there isn't someone there to keep them in check, it can get really bad. Unfortunately, it's very taxing and they can even become hoarders themselves just from the mental strain.
I have a parent who's a horder... We literally climbed through the junk. Granted, it wasn't quite this bad, but not far from it... Thankfully, I don't live with them anymore, but 14 years was wasted in that mess, and now there's medical repercussions we're trying to fix... And, this kind of stuff, sadly, does happen.
Living with them is hard. They aren't rational about things and unless you have incredibly separate spaces it can be incredibly difficult. I just have a few words . . ."green hot dogs". They were in the freezer so "they were still good" and the smell was . . . .unforgettable.
Compulsive hoarding varies between individual patients. Some cases are more severe than others. The case depicted here is leaning towards the higher end of the spectrum. The people you lived with were probably lower on the severity scale, but it's not entirely out of the question that the severity of their case could've increased later on.
Yep. It's speculated Ethan doesn't have PTSD (at least the show told us so) but that situation definitely must've reminded him of his tours. Subtle but effective way of storytelling.
@@Shyvorix It’s funny because Ethan ends up adopting the parrot making noises in this house and Dr Charles diagnosed it with PTSD as a reason why it wouldn’t fly
@@Justice237 Yep! I loved the little side story. Ultimately Ethan did get the bird to fly with Charles in the room and Charles kind of did a "Told you you two would be perfect together" moment.
I try to feel sorry for them, but for some reason I find myself getting enraged by them. Like, I feel like they are selfish and stupid, and if animals are involved, then I really get furious with them. I can't understand them any more than I can understand child molesters. I just don't get it.
@@ThePickledsoul as a former hoarder, agreed. It takes a lot of determination, almost impossible amounts, to really get through it. My room and most of my apartment in the course of a month went from an absolute shitfest to a quite well-cleaned abode. Literally over a hundred hours of garbage removal, mopping and cleaning was necessary. It sucked but...it's a work in progress. On the bright side, can now get good quality shelving to store small things properly now than have everything stacked or on the floor lol.
As someone with ocd it is paramount that we have someone in our lives that ask us if we want it or if we need it. and it's better when we start to learn how to decide this for ourselves, but even for me it's hard as sometimes i just buy something because i want it not because i need it. i am not a hoarder type ocd however my father is. i do understand that sometimes things despite how much we love them are damaged and that maybe throwing them out is best. even in an age where we can take pictures of these items to keep as momentos. it gets harder to toss, but learning the outta site outta mind trick does help. which helped me overcome these urges before it became an issue. i will save something and put it away somewhere that i don't often get into. that way when I throw the entire box out at a later date, i will never know what was in it to become attached or upset. later when i cant find something i get sad yes, but eventually i become aware that everything is fine and i can always make new memories. for my father we have been throwing things away on him and not telling him. he has hoarder's blindness. meaning he never notices what he has to begin with so never misses what isn't there anymore.
Omg bless his heart the actor for going through all of that because being a hoarder using my dad as an example it's beyond dangerous also frustrating too because when your trying to Help or rescue someone
my dad is a hoarder but me and my mom try to keep it to a minimum, throwing things out gradually so he doesn't notice. my dad has mental health issues so cleanliness is very hard for him.
The same exact thing happened to my grandma my grandma fell in her house which is hoardered and she couldn't walk so she needed lots of help getting out of her house
This really hit home for me as I came and found my dad in a similar situation but with a lot less stuff. I don't believe this is OCD at all after having to deal with it for so long. it's more of the inability to let go of the past. He wanted to save what he could save. He treated everything he had like it was valuable. At one point I told him he needed to get rid of some of the bigger stuff because of the mouse infestation. There was mouse urine and mouse feces everywhere. He got upset and said "why don't you just throw me away too?" It's like he equated saving junk as a way to almost redeem himself and to prove to himself that he was with something. It could also have been him trying to redeem himself and " do good" in order to make up for his emotional and mental abuse from my childhood. That's something he was definitely looking for... Almost a way to pay for his mistakes of the past. It's like if he could save something that other saw as worthless, maybe he would be able to save himself just like he saved the furniture and be valued just as he valued his junk. He was starting to lose his independence and he didn't want to ask for help. He had a lot of the stuff I have for my childhood that I had forgotten about. I think that was one of the happiest times of his life when me and my sister were very small. But the shed he had to hold the overflow was also infested with mice. We had gone on a long camping trip about 25 years ago and we have had a like almost a miniature outhouse. It flushed and everything. I found it WITH liquid in it. He could have controlled that if he wanted to. But he was so intent on being miserly and not changing anything that he'd put his life in significant risk. He is deaf for the most part and he had no smoke alarm or carbon monoxide monitor and he had nailed his windows shut. Part of it was absolutely due to this laziness. He's always been like that. Even when he was in the military he'd always been like that. And now that he is in a nursing facility , where he is treated well , he has gotten to the point where he doesn't even want to walk when he is perfectly capable. We've had to send physical therapists in. He still doesn't want to walk. He doesn't want to perform basic hygiene when he understands perfectly what it is. It is a hundred percent due to his laziness
There was a hoarder in my apartment building. I dont know what happened to them but it took three or four big pickup trucks two trips to haul everything out
My mother had a bad fall in her hoarded house. She was down for several days. It took 16 rescuers to get her out. Her hoard is much worse than the video hoard. The guy in the video could use the kitchen. My mother can't even GET to the kitchen. She also can't get to her bed. She has had no running water for four years. Hoarding gets worse than this video!
I'm very sorry to hear that. I hope she does get the help she needs. No one can handle such a problem alone. I understand the stress it can put on family members to worry about the person in the situation needing help like when your mother fell or who will deal with the mess if she ever needs elderly care out of her home or anything happens. My best wishes to you as well as I don't think hoarders are aware how their behavior affects their loved ones or how they worry for them.
My father was a hoarder. Not to that extreme but he started falling and was hospitalized. He had a dog that refused to let the paramedics in until I got there. I got him out of his house and into a nursing home for rehab... explained the plan to get him into a safer place of his own for cheap... but he couldn't deal with it and chose death.
My grandma is also a holder except is not that bad they are mostly out away out of the way she had to get rid of a lot of stuff renctly because she moved from a home to a nursing home 🏘️
He said, "I got bit by the lid of the tin can." Meaning that the tin can cut his arm and causing Dr. Choi to bleed out from his arm. He probably said bit, because he felt like he got bit.
I know what Hollywood is trying but that still feels like it’s to organized to be a “hoarding” situation. Still very scary to think that someone trying to help you gets buried into your hoard.
Then you have a massive misunderstanding of basic concepts of mental illness. They don't "choose" to do this, it's a compulsive disorder. Don't assume people like this are malicious or "lazy" just because it's easier for you to process.
It's people like you who make it harder for people who hoard to look for help. It is not a choice it's a mental illness. Learn about it and then talk. Seriously.
@@herbivorethecarnivore8447 Exactly! Funny how people say hoarders are lazy....yet they themselves use lazy thinking/judgement in assessing the situation.
This was so dragged out and stupidly portrayed. They shot the scenes like he was climbing through a booby trapped jungle temple in the middle of a mudslide. Yes, hoarding would be very hard to get around, but this was just ridiculously dramatized.
Did you hear the sound effects they used? Dr Choi is a veteran with PTSD, he was having flashbacks. Of course that’s going to make getting through the mess harder. Also, hoarding can get pretty freaking bad - people often end up buying sheds and barns just to hold more stuff
Whether hoarding is in or out of control of the person, their pile of garbage should be removed immediately whether they want it or not. I do not buy into the "feelings" story when the entire building or neighborhood can be contaminated by the pests, and become fire risk.
Please take some time and watch the Hoarders series on RUclips, but please pay extra attention to the interactions between the hoarders and the therapists. This isn't a matter of "just throw it away" for them. It's a severe psychological attachment and obsessive disorder. And yes, it WILL get replaced. If the hoarder does not have a strong support system and attends therapy... they'll relapse. And open space MUST be filled, even if it's with bags of rotting diapers. It's fascinating, horrifying, and saddening all at once. I wish I could hug each and every one of them and let them know that it'll be okay.
Even though hoarding is taken more seriously these days it is still so humiliating for the hoarder, when they really have no control. It should be treated as a dangerous level of OCD and not just viewing the people as "lazy". When the guy said he didn't want anyone to see how he lived my heart just broke. It's so sad, to go through such pain and such humiliation to get lifesaving help...
U can control by getting help
@@Nayaspov For most hoarders it’s embarrassing to admit or some are even to scared to get help because they feel like they will get judged, most of them feel like it’s to precious to throw away so they keep it and can’t stand their stuff being thrown away they know they need help but they can’t get the Motivation to do so
@@Nayaspov if they were getting help, you'd judge them for not getting help sooner. If they tried to get help sooner, when it's not that bad yet, you'd judge them for asking for help when they should deal with it using their own willpower.
For example people with ADHD, while not necessarily hoarders, have often trouble with keeping their space clean and orderly (though I'd say that usually not in a health risk way, just, there is a mess everywhere - if course everyone is different bur there is a tendency to do that) and they are judged for not solving it on their own (despite how many times they tried) or taking meds to help them function, called lazy etc. "Light" hoarders probably get the same treatment from people.
@@Nayaspov that's like saying you can control brain cancer by getting chemo
@@thepinkestpigglet7529 nah dont put another real condition between just being laY
One thing that I think Chicago Med does better than any other show is the psychological aspect of both doctors and patients. It's an important message. The people who are nutjobs, who seem to commit random acts, and who live lives that make other people look down on them... they're often the ones truly suffering.
House has a way better psychological aspect
I'm always impressed by the _"power"_ the psych doctors on Chicago Med have in the ER. They are often extremely involved in major decisions that are made and sometimes even seem to have more _pull_ then the trauma docs
disagree, plus it's more unrealistic@@joshdeveaux6936
After this, Ethan ends up adopting the parrot, helping it to fly again (after Dr Charles diagnoses it with PTSD) and giving up chicken
Hoarding is actually a symptom of trauma and grief. A lot of people I know personally started hoarding after a tragedy or a trauma they can't get past. They need to cling on to things because they've lost loved ones and can't deal. They need bereavement counseling.
I've thankfully never gotten as bad as the hoarders you see on TV, but my low-level hoarding was definitely triggered by trauma and loss. It's at a manageable level at the moment, thankfully, but it's a very real mental illness that requires treatment.
That's what I always say. Its coming from somewhere. My grandmother hoarded a bunch of stuff in her little room and my mother tends to do the same. People don't get to this level of living through laziness or lack of hygiene. It has a psychological root.
Just like morbidly obese people who cant get out of their bed have a psychological root to where they got.
I laughed out loud when Dr. Choi realized that the second victim was parrot.
My grandmother is a hoarder and I fear this day happening. It's astonishing the way the mind will convince you to hoard anything and everything
Mine is similar and she lives with us. She’s very reclusive and never comes out of her room, only to get ice
what is a hoarder
A lot of times it's a learned behavior, taught from the great depression.
@@qurratulaineproteety4321 a person that collects a lot
Call the hoarders show
My late uncle was a hoarder. A class five one to be exact. His home was in horrible shape and the only people he’d ever let visit him were my dad or any of his male friends. He never let my mother (his younger sister) visit him because he was so ashamed about how he lived. He passed 18 years ago of a heart attack (in my home during around thanksgiving) but years later when my grandmother was meeting the end of her life, we found boxes upon boxes of stuff. She was a class 3 hoarder and mom and I realized my uncle inherited it from grandma.
I lived with hoarders for 12.5 years… it wasn’t this bad (it was still horrid) but it’s always a nightmare I have that it gets worse. How did he ever get out and work? Or was he a recluse?
Some people have hoarding tendencies. If there isn't someone there to keep them in check, it can get really bad. Unfortunately, it's very taxing and they can even become hoarders themselves just from the mental strain.
I have a parent who's a horder... We literally climbed through the junk. Granted, it wasn't quite this bad, but not far from it... Thankfully, I don't live with them anymore, but 14 years was wasted in that mess, and now there's medical repercussions we're trying to fix... And, this kind of stuff, sadly, does happen.
Living with them is hard. They aren't rational about things and unless you have incredibly separate spaces it can be incredibly difficult. I just have a few words . . ."green hot dogs". They were in the freezer so "they were still good" and the smell was . . . .unforgettable.
Compulsive hoarding varies between individual patients. Some cases are more severe than others. The case depicted here is leaning towards the higher end of the spectrum. The people you lived with were probably lower on the severity scale, but it's not entirely out of the question that the severity of their case could've increased later on.
Man it was eerie when Ethan started having flashbacks when buried in the junk
Yep. It's speculated Ethan doesn't have PTSD (at least the show told us so) but that situation definitely must've reminded him of his tours. Subtle but effective way of storytelling.
@@Shyvorix It’s funny because Ethan ends up adopting the parrot making noises in this house and Dr Charles diagnosed it with PTSD as a reason why it wouldn’t fly
@@Justice237 Yep! I loved the little side story. Ultimately Ethan did get the bird to fly with Charles in the room and Charles kind of did a "Told you you two would be perfect together" moment.
I love this episode Ethan adopted his bird
Whew this is making me claustrophobic.
I feel sorry for hoarders. They just can't help themselves.
I try to feel sorry for them, but for some reason I find myself getting enraged by them. Like, I feel like they are selfish and stupid, and if animals are involved, then I really get furious with them. I can't understand them any more than I can understand child molesters. I just don't get it.
@@einahsirro1488 you're right.
Hoarding is a PTSD symptom of poverty. Change my mind.
@@ThePickledsoul as a former hoarder, agreed. It takes a lot of determination, almost impossible amounts, to really get through it.
My room and most of my apartment in the course of a month went from an absolute shitfest to a quite well-cleaned abode. Literally over a hundred hours of garbage removal, mopping and cleaning was necessary. It sucked but...it's a work in progress. On the bright side, can now get good quality shelving to store small things properly now than have everything stacked or on the floor lol.
That's why they need to be placed in assisted living or some kind.of supervised living setting.
As someone with ocd it is paramount that we have someone in our lives that ask us if we want it or if we need it. and it's better when we start to learn how to decide this for ourselves, but even for me it's hard as sometimes i just buy something because i want it not because i need it. i am not a hoarder type ocd however my father is. i do understand that sometimes things despite how much we love them are damaged and that maybe throwing them out is best. even in an age where we can take pictures of these items to keep as momentos. it gets harder to toss, but learning the outta site outta mind trick does help. which helped me overcome these urges before it became an issue. i will save something and put it away somewhere that i don't often get into. that way when I throw the entire box out at a later date, i will never know what was in it to become attached or upset. later when i cant find something i get sad yes, but eventually i become aware that everything is fine and i can always make new memories. for my father we have been throwing things away on him and not telling him. he has hoarder's blindness. meaning he never notices what he has to begin with so never misses what isn't there anymore.
Omg bless his heart the actor for going through all of that because being a hoarder using my dad as an example it's beyond dangerous also frustrating too because when your trying to Help or rescue someone
my dad is a hoarder but me and my mom try to keep it to a minimum, throwing things out gradually so he doesn't notice. my dad has mental health issues so cleanliness is very hard for him.
The same exact thing happened to my grandma my grandma fell in her house which is hoardered and she couldn't walk so she needed lots of help getting out of her house
This really hit home for me as I came and found my dad in a similar situation but with a lot less stuff.
I don't believe this is OCD at all after having to deal with it for so long.
it's more of the inability to let go of the past. He wanted to save what he could save. He treated everything he had like it was valuable. At one point I told him he needed to get rid of some of the bigger stuff because of the mouse infestation. There was mouse urine and mouse feces everywhere. He got upset and said "why don't you just throw me away too?"
It's like he equated saving junk as a way to almost redeem himself and to prove to himself that he was with something. It could also have been him trying to redeem himself and " do good" in order to make up for his emotional and mental abuse from my childhood. That's something he was definitely looking for... Almost a way to pay for his mistakes of the past.
It's like if he could save something that other saw as worthless, maybe he would be able to save himself just like he saved the furniture and be valued just as he valued his junk.
He was starting to lose his independence and he didn't want to ask for help. He had a lot of the stuff I have for my childhood that I had forgotten about. I think that was one of the happiest times of his life when me and my sister were very small. But the shed he had to hold the overflow was also infested with mice. We had gone on a long camping trip about 25 years ago and we have had a like almost a miniature outhouse. It flushed and everything. I found it WITH liquid in it.
He could have controlled that if he wanted to. But he was so intent on being miserly and not changing anything that he'd put his life in significant risk. He is deaf for the most part and he had no smoke alarm or carbon monoxide monitor and he had nailed his windows shut.
Part of it was absolutely due to this laziness. He's always been like that. Even when he was in the military he'd always been like that. And now that he is in a nursing facility , where he is treated well , he has gotten to the point where he doesn't even want to walk when he is perfectly capable. We've had to send physical therapists in. He still doesn't want to walk. He doesn't want to perform basic hygiene when he understands perfectly what it is.
It is a hundred percent due to his laziness
There was a hoarder in my apartment building. I dont know what happened to them but it took three or four big pickup trucks two trips to haul everything out
Prayers be safe out there
Parrot: doNt tOUcH tHaTt
Thank god Ethan was in the military before he was a doctor or he would be in even more trouble
So we not gonna talk about the bird?
My claustrophobic ass could never 🫥🫥 i feel funky just watching this
My mother had a bad fall in her hoarded house. She was down for several days. It took 16 rescuers to get her out. Her hoard is much worse than the video hoard. The guy in the video could use the kitchen. My mother can't even GET to the kitchen. She also can't get to her bed. She has had no running water for four years. Hoarding gets worse than this video!
I'm very sorry to hear that. I hope she does get the help she needs. No one can handle such a problem alone. I understand the stress it can put on family members to worry about the person in the situation needing help like when your mother fell or who will deal with the mess if she ever needs elderly care out of her home or anything happens. My best wishes to you as well as I don't think hoarders are aware how their behavior affects their loved ones or how they worry for them.
Another thing, if things in the hoarder's house start to fall like rain, RUN.
Get a fire pit started.
Oh my god the smells, all the old medics swear by vics on the upper lip but I like peppermint oil.
My father was a hoarder. Not to that extreme but he started falling and was hospitalized. He had a dog that refused to let the paramedics in until I got there. I got him out of his house and into a nursing home for rehab... explained the plan to get him into a safer place of his own for cheap... but he couldn't deal with it and chose death.
Does anyone talk about the Arm you see the first moment you see the house from the inside ? Haha
My grandma is also a holder except is not that bad they are mostly out away out of the way she had to get rid of a lot of stuff renctly because she moved from a home to a nursing home 🏘️
the same thing happened with thanksgiving and my jobs project for the world 🌍 is good
There’s no point if the doctor himself will get injured. So two of them needs saving. Should have waited for the firemen
What does he say at 1:47? Got bit by the little tin can? I'm confused at what happened here
Bit by the lid of the tin can. Cut himself.
By the LID of a tin can
He said, "I got bit by the lid of the tin can." Meaning that the tin can cut his arm and causing Dr. Choi to bleed out from his arm. He probably said bit, because he felt like he got bit.
Contact details about ambulance 🚑
That Chinese doctor is just-🤭
I know what Hollywood is trying but that still feels like it’s to organized to be a “hoarding” situation. Still very scary to think that someone trying to help you gets buried into your hoard.
Some hoarders are very organized - there are many different types - some collect garbage, others have clean homes, etc
I could never do this job… I could never put my life on the line for someone who chooses to do this to themselves.
Then you have a massive misunderstanding of basic concepts of mental illness. They don't "choose" to do this, it's a compulsive disorder. Don't assume people like this are malicious or "lazy" just because it's easier for you to process.
It's people like you who make it harder for people who hoard to look for help. It is not a choice it's a mental illness. Learn about it and then talk. Seriously.
@@herbivorethecarnivore8447 Exactly! Funny how people say hoarders are lazy....yet they themselves use lazy thinking/judgement in assessing the situation.
No one would hire someone lacking empathy and care in this field anyways.
To be realistic they should have worn mask because usually these houses smell too bad.
My wife and I bought bhoa
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Damn Paul clean yo house man!
This was so dragged out and stupidly portrayed. They shot the scenes like he was climbing through a booby trapped jungle temple in the middle of a mudslide. Yes, hoarding would be very hard to get around, but this was just ridiculously dramatized.
Did you hear the sound effects they used? Dr Choi is a veteran with PTSD, he was having flashbacks. Of course that’s going to make getting through the mess harder. Also, hoarding can get pretty freaking bad - people often end up buying sheds and barns just to hold more stuff
People die getting buried in hoards
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Whether hoarding is in or out of control of the person, their pile of garbage should be removed immediately whether they want it or not. I do not buy into the "feelings" story when the entire building or neighborhood can be contaminated by the pests, and become fire risk.
The problems with forcable removal of items is that within weeks / month the hoard gets replaced, and the process starts all over again...
@@AngelaH2222 Not if the hoarder is out.
Please take some time and watch the Hoarders series on RUclips, but please pay extra attention to the interactions between the hoarders and the therapists. This isn't a matter of "just throw it away" for them. It's a severe psychological attachment and obsessive disorder. And yes, it WILL get replaced. If the hoarder does not have a strong support system and attends therapy... they'll relapse. And open space MUST be filled, even if it's with bags of rotting diapers. It's fascinating, horrifying, and saddening all at once. I wish I could hug each and every one of them and let them know that it'll be okay.
@@lubystkaolamonola529 so you rather they be homeless? Wtf
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