London Thinks: Nate Phelps • Leaving Hate Behind (at Conway Hall)
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In this talk, which was part of our London Thinks series in 2014, Samira Ahmed spoke with Nate Phelps, son of the late Fred Phelps, founder and patriarch of the Westboro Baptist Church - “the most hated family in America”.
Filmed at Conway Hall on the 13th November 2014.
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The cure for cancer is not a less lethal cancer. My sincere thanks to Nate for his courage and honesty.
My father was the best father in the world. He physically disciplined me which I needed and taught me respect for authority. He showed sacrificial love which was motivated by his faith. Sorry you didn’t have the same experience Nate.
You poor deluded fool.
My heart aches for all touched by that cult. I too grew up in a cult, the Plymouth Brethren. I thought God would kill me, or worse, my children, if I left. I was terrified but I had to support my children who had revealed sexual abuse from the time they were small. There is nothing so sweet and so difficult as freedom.
I am so happy you got away and listened to your children, instead of brushing their needs aside. I hope everything works out for all of you. You are so brave .. and welcome to the world :)
@@TheNerdess Thank you! It's a wonderful place.
Plymouth Brethren are the worst. A filthy, loathesome and uneducated people.
@@davidralphs4 They vary widely across the world and there are many, many branches of them but having been raised there, I can tell you my hatred of their teachings is very deep.
Thank you Nate, for being courageous enough to push through hate from one of the strongest of haters ... for love.
I can't get enough of Nate Phelps. Fantastic man.
I was confronted by your family at a concert in Kansas City in the early 2000's. It was right after 9/11 and I remember the hate spewed at me and my now deceased friend on that evening when we just wanted to enjoy a night on the town. I had never experienced anything like that before and it was terrifying. I tried to maintain a brave face and confront you and the hate I experienced was frightening. I'm so glad to see that many members of your family have come to your senses. No one should have to endure that.
Funny, the people giving the concert wanted to give your people water. They said that on stage. It was a hot summer night, after all.
When I was religious I was a mean sob! When I lost my religion I became a helper to anyone that needs help without the book telling me I had to do it!
But in reality, all religion is notheing but RULES, RITUALS and ROUTINES
@@antoineralic01 how would you know weirdo racist
Snow Rider : the thing that matters is having eternal life and there is only one way to have it.
@@golightly5121 oh I see? Have you or anyone you have known ever experienced eternal life? I just curious how anyone would know?
@@snowrider4495 To have true eternal life you must erase the en-tropic thoughts on your being and FEARS that support it, and then build a place of humbleness, so you can be a light for the world that we're in. Then learn things from Jordan Peterson.
This dad is amazing. What a true hero. I hope he can feel the immense respect we all have for him.
This man is father of the year. I'm so jealous of his kids.
Why?
@@Mikados_Advark12 well he does seem like a good guy. Weird statement though I agree
@@sabrinamurphy4009 thank you for getting it lol
Idk why some can’t read between the lines, but my parents were awful. I so wish they were like Nathan.
I had the kindest most imperfect man as a father. He drank too much, partied too much, cheated too much and spent money he didn't have. But I never felt unloved. On the contrary I felt adored. He was an atheist, too. I miss him every day, he's been gone 40 years.
I've been obsessed since the first Louis T doc. They're lovely people individually, all silly fun and lols, but they were clearly captive to Fred Phelps violence and mania. I always rooted for them to get out. Meghan Phelps Roper is a great speaker too. I can't wait to read Unfollow.
I listened to the audiobook version, read by Megan herself. I thoroughly recommend it.
Read it recently, it is extremely well written and insightful
Thank you for your wise and brave disclosure of your unfortunate past and now carrying a new message to the world.
They're all so intelligent and well spoken that strikes me the most.
They're all lawyers, even Fred Phelps Sr. was a civil rights attorney in the 60's, before he was disbarred. He represented African American clients in discrimination cases and worked to dismantle the Jim Crow laws in Kansas. The church is largely funded by the lawsuits that the Phelps' family law firm file against people or entities, who they think have violated their 1st amendment rights during protests or their right to freedom of religion.
@@ArtGirl82 yeah I know this from Shirley explaining on Tyra. I think it's a damn shame they had this indoctrination, they could have been great role models. They've ruined themselves.
@@ArtGirl82 and I must add I'm not surprised they're intelligent at all, just that it strikes me. They're obviously above average intelligence. Sad.
Miss you pastor phelps ! You knew the west was once a great country blessed by God, and wasnt ashamed to speak the truth
I'm curious, how long ago was this when the USA was greatly blessed by God?? Genuine question?
Wonderfully articulate and meaningful.
The man's a legend! :D
He is a very smart man
Can u imagine being entrapped into your 50’s and not knowing you could get out?
This is very good. Thank you for sharing your story Nate.
I wud love nate and Megan to do a talk together
Nate and Megan should do tours about leaving hate behind 👍🏼
you are a good man
35:31 - cue standing ovation . . .
I believe in God, and that God can be summed up in one word. That word is LOVE, beyond that any trying to describe a diety is futile.
Well yes, but God is also 'The Power of three of the Father(Spirit), Mother(Will), and HEart(son). They created the Divine Cosnciousness which is also our version fo OuterSpace.
I believe in God, and that God can be summed up in one word. That Word is JESUS, beyond that trying to describe a deity is futile.
@@golightly5121 Thanks, it's just that I have to deal with Atheists because of there egocentric nature when they speak to me.
@@antoineralic01 I regret your experience. However please take into context where their response is coming from. We live in a world that is ruled by religion and the religious. Being an atheist is being subject to a multitude of threats all the way down to loss of life. This has been the attitude towards the atheist minority for a very VERY long time. It made me angry too until I realized that the only way to make a change was through being calm and open minded. It is not easy when faced with such powerful and dangerous opposition. Please try and be patient.
I have much respect for you, Sir; For your indomitable mind & reason in the face of such agony, an agony I am for many reasons though in very different specific ways also intimately familiar with. One of the differences betwixt our experiences is that I have encountered the same essential hatred & ignorance but from an often entirely non-theistic set of persons & society as a whole. My family is excellent & dearly my friends, but others in my life have been very cruel & barabaric despite outward pretences to enlightenment. Part of the problem of many Atheists & Secularists of that general variety is that many of you come at religion from the perspective of ignorant extremism only, who hold logic & reason in contempt, who live with a hypocritical literalism & emotionalistic hated as the power for their blind faith, neither aknowledging nor considering even in argument that there are ways to logically determine what is indeed absolute & True. I come from a Catholic background that on my mother's side has been atheistic or agnostic for over century, & with a father who in his own lifetime since before we were born moved away from any organized vision of God. Yet, we were not raised to believe that dogmatic atheism was the logical way to approach these matters, because indeed it is not. Blind atheism is as dangerous to reason uncaged as any other such stance which derives from a limited notion of truth & the nature of Existence & the Reality that issues forth from it. Now I know that you do not take such an extreme line yourself, to your great credit, but there are certain shadows of it in some of your stances toward religion. Let me first say this : Due to my career, which begin when my own life did, & entered the public world by my 9th year with my first university level course, in pure mathematics & other more specific pursuits, I came swiftly, utterly on the strength of my own direct logic, observations, & insights, to understand that Existence is necessarily a complete infinity, a sphere of infinite dimensions, & Reality the subjective view & imagination thereof, which is by logical entail coexpansive with that Existence, & that via empirical & general logic combined, it is most rational to understand consciousness as the source for Reality & as a force elementary to all Existence & so inherent in all things imaginary & physical on all levels of abstraction. Thereby, I conclude that there is a God, for what else is the absolute God if not the transcendant Mind of Existence, of which we are all in a sense gods, or minds of & within Mind. My Theory, Totalus Theory, has yet to be upon review by my intellectual & academic colleagues, proven lacking in logical foundations. It is drawn with a geometric-latticine model, & accounts without contradiction for all other views, philosophies, things, & events without placing any but logical rules upon those who would believe in it. It is, like all universal theories, a religion in the most fundamental sense of that word : RE • LIG • ION = AGAIN • UNITE • ING, or a concept that unites all observed reality to its ultimate source in clear terms. In this way, all science is religion, & I would argue that all science is possible only because the mind reaches far beyond mortal confines. To dismiss all notions of religion as poisonous is, with all sincerely due respect, folly & ultimately hypocrisy. I would love to have a discussion with you sometime; It would be grand I am sure, & we would doubtless have much to discuss, much to share in pain & triumph, & much to debate! -Sincerely, Mr Philoreian
How wonderful you have so much free time to slobber on with all your drivel and brainless nonsense. Ever consider doing something useful with all that time?
You seem very passionate. I would encourage you not to fall into the trap of so many self-impressed academics who believe that wordiness is a substitute for evidence-based argument and a smokescreen for lack of intellectual rigor. I genuinely can't offer an opinion on whatever actual point you were trying to make here because it's completely unintelligible. I sincerely hope, because I am sympathetic to your level of feeling, that you calm down and find a way to communicate your ideas (whether they hold up or not) in such a way that people can understand and engage with you.
I wonder if Nate sees his nieces and other family members that have left the group often?
Is Nate Phelps Shirley's brother.
Yes
If you need a good cry, check out Nate's narration of Something Beautiful on the Thinking Atheist channel.
The Abrahamic religions are bloody, the Abrahamic God always demands bloody sacrifices, sheep, goat, dove or human being.
50:00 Bertrand Russell was correct.
A ray of light
Condemned to grope
Through the dark transgression cave
Told you must find lifes purpose
In blackness without hope
Denied the luminance of her mind
Until at last she find the darkness kind
Religion child curl up touch your tail
Say a prayer
Great damage is done
To this precious resource
The Catholic Church is the same, you have a form of Calvinism there in the doctrines of Augustine and Thomas. Many Traditional Catholics will treat their children the same.
The old Rambler . I had one.
Our Holy God is a God of Love! Sadly that is not what Fred taught - Our holy Savior Jesus Christ died on the cross for the forgiveness of our sins & our Lord Jesus Christ rose again in the defeat of death, sin, hell & the devil - God's will is that we believe in the power of his redemption, love & mercy in everlasting life with him.
Carolyn Treadwell forgive me but it sounds like you are repeating the same things from that book that Phelps did only you are calling it love, I find it ironic. It’s like you cannot put the religious doctrine aside to think about this mans message
@@marciachristoff904 Oh I have thought about Phelps message - Yet it was God's love, through the power of his word, that made me trust/believe I could come to the Lord and ask his forgiveness without fear, humbled with tears of joy, praise, and worshipful thanksgiving, overflowing at the revelation of my saviors love and compassion.
@@moonbathing2002 I don't know what evil thing you did, but it is more important to be able to forgive one self if you ever want to come clean. That is why a lot of people try to find forgiveness outside of themselves because it is so much easier. It is time to take responsibility, not shake off a burden with cheap absolution.
@@katerkarlo159 Hi, no worries I was not guilt ridden and unable to forgive myself! This is about turning to God with him being my righteousness - no 'cheap' absolution'!
You see, all sin brings death and separates us from God no matter how big or small that sin may appear to us!
God does not hate the sinner, he loves the sinner - in our sinful state he suffered crucifixion/death in our place - with unconditional love! Praise his holy name.
@@moonbathing2002 l don't mean to sound confused but when God is immortal and knows it, how can he ever sacrifice himself, let alone watch idly as children are being sacrificed now? I'm sorry but this makes no sense to us. I understand that having the strongest being in the universe as a friend makes you feel good, less fearful, but, if you excuse the comparison, Pablo Escobar's friends felt the same way and were also to scared of the consequences to say "stop, this is enough". No offense, but I think you ought to try and feel good about yourself through healthier means.
London Thinks Nate Phelps leaving Hate Behind.
Jesus preached to the religious that they were blind guides. Nate, Grace, & Megan have been unable to hear that message. Jesus said call no man Rabbi, Father, or Master. I pray they hear Jesus instead of Fred
I pray they hear Jesus instead of John Calvin.
not sure what hates they prefer to ignore???... and sidewinder or not mention....over and over...... its getting old..... 80 yrs old...... same agenda.... same two protagonist.... the rest ..... ignored forgoten exept if......
You wrong the God you serve and i serve gave people free will to choose where you want to spend eternity
Nate, hit the treadmill and enjoy life ..its amazing .....your a goofball , grow up .....hahahahahahaha
something not quite right about this guy
His childhood?? His father? The damage done to a boy by a serial abuser? I have a list for you if you want me to continue
@@biancachristie please do continue. If you think the Phelps were anything other than a manufactured disinformation operation then the old adage " there is a sucker is born every minute" is correct.