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Anduin freeing himself was a hype moment to be sure, Arthas is finally put to rest once and for all. and with Sylvanas finally admitting her mistakes, can perhaps start anew one day.
@@UltimateGamerCC You need a soul in order to be put to rest....
I have so much more appreciation for WoW because of your Warcraft journey. I think it’s too easy to get caught up in what we think should’ve happened or certain changes to the game that seem wrong, but there are so many positives I didn’t realize I’d overlooked.
So glad I can provide some new perspective on it!
Agreed. Playing since 2007, there's a lot of lore that gets covered and forgotten. Going through this journey has been refreshing in a lot of ways. It's reminded me what it is I truly love about this franchise.
i think a lot of the playerbase gets lost in the sauce when it comes to WoW, they get consumed with what is BAD about the expansion and ignore the GOOD, such as this cinematic right here, seeing Saurfang and Varian again was a morale boost.
@@PhilipHarts I miss seeing the Fighting Short films I wanna see it again
Alot of the hate the story gets from ppl is from salty as ppl that are stuck in 2005 lol. I been a player sense 2005, and i had no problem at all with how Arthas ended up as. only thing i had a problem with was the Jailer wich basicly have the shittiest story telling of any vilain in warcrafts history. The only thing i can say is that its been "hip" to spit on blizzard no matter if they make something good or bad. The fanbase is really fking retarded and stuck in the past, and yet these ppl spitting hate against blizzard somehow still play the game, or come back to it every expansion. World of warcraft, and blizzards fans in general is some of the shittiest fking community in the gaming world. Most of those fans barely even know what makes the game good or bad.
Fun fact 😅the sword was made by valor and by honor. Those lines always make me chuckle because back in Shadowlands Valor was the PvE currency to upgrade the gear and Honor was the PvP currency 😅😅
I just noticed the beautiful transition between An Karanir Thanagor (Arthas' theme) and Lament of the Highborne (Sylvanas' theme). Pretty awesome honestly
Proper title of the Arthas music is "Invincible", and the entire first stanza is referring to his beloved horse, then this section that more applies to him.
The War Within scene is, in my view, showing Anduin essentially having his PTSD triggered by Thrall’s hand touching his shoulder just as Saurfang did when he was struggling to break free of the Jailor’s domination magic. He’s reliving that moment, like a waking nightmare, and that’s why we see this scene play out with his appearance being his present look.
What's wild too is Thrall touched the same shoulder as Saurfang. So extra triggering x.x
@@silentstephi exactly... The War Within cinematic, more than any of their previous cinematics, did such an impeccable job at visual and musical storytelling. Down to the most subtle little movements and mannerisms of the characters, absolutely gorgeously done. I've seen so many comments from people who have PTSD remark about how on point the animators & writers were with representing PTSD in an accurate, respectful way
when he rips the sword apart its a visual throwback to the intro cinematic where sylvanas rips the crown apart
This always gives me chills. All of the stuff this poor boy has been through in his life, to then be subjected to THIS. Yet you see him break free, on his own really (I feel like Varian and Saurfang were just manifestations in his mind, not actually there - but they gave him the push he needed) at the last minute. I love that you get to see the strength he finds to break free of the biggest bad WoW has had so far (not getting into the whole Jailer storyline lol b/c that is a Pandora's Box I don't want to open).
I did see one theory that suggested that what he saw was an echo retained by Shalamane from previous worthy wielders who embodied Honor and Valor. Whether it was Anduin's mind or the sword, both are good theories.
I would have loved to see more on the fates of Varian and Saurfang. I would like to think Varian made it safely to the Shadowlands as he died before the machine of death broke. I know people have different ideas because of how he died but prefer to think that he is now with his parents, wife and Anduin Lothar on one of the thousands of shadowland worlds we didn't visit. As for Saurfang, as he would have gone straight to the Maw, I think it would be cool for Sylvanas to cross paths with him during her clean-up and her apologizing to him before she sends him to the arbiter for a more peaceful placement with his son.
I'm still not sure how I feel about Arthas fate. He was such a large influence on the world that it seems almost wrong to have him just fade away into nothingness. I understand that he was broken in more ways than one but I can't help but wonder if what faded away was just the part of him stolen when he first took up Frostmorne (like the others you see in Torgath) , the part dropped in the maw by Uther or a combination of both. Did Zoval combine the two halves into the crystal or is there still a part of him somewhere still in the Maw, waiting for an unsuspecting Sylvanas to find?
This was heartbreaking on so many levels. We lost Arthas a long time ago, but this had finality to it. Sylvanas response to it was hurtful too. So many lives destroyed and lost. Then Anduin is ruined by it as well to some degree, he's not the same now because of it.
Arthas was arguably lost the moment he stepped onto Northrend, consumed by Vengeance and driven to madness, then Ner'zhul's whispers only made him lose himself even further.
@@UltimateGamerCC I think Arthas was lost the moment Uther and Jaina stepped aside
It would've be much better had Jaina offered balance when this would be the final time seeing the essence of the former love of her life. Idk why Arthas is damned but sylvanas is able to be redeemed. Was Arthas not dominated to an extent as well? Or is it implying that Arthas was fully on board with all his choices, like Garrosh, but even Garrosh chose to disenchant himself. Idk I just think the whole Arthas reveal fell flat
@@witnessforchrist7778 I would say Sylvanas was arguably worse than Arthas. People say that Arthas was more himself as the LK and was rebelling against the Jailer and his domination.... But wouldn't that make him better for trying to fight against the "ultimate enemy"? We still don't know Arthas' end plan after killing the heroes on top of ICC. Obviously he was looking to kill everyone, but he knew full well of the Shadowlands by that point I would think. All of this was just retcons so we'll never truly know, but I find it awful that Sylvanas was given the chance at redemption and Arthas was not. The true broken Arthas should have been in Torghast and he should have played a role in the story. And him and Sylvanas should have gone back to The Maw together to free the souls they put there at the end.
The stabbing of the ground is a spell called Defile. Players encounter it with Lich King fight. It’s a spell from the mourneblades. The voice is the Jailer dominating Anduin. Anduin went “missing” after this. There’s another cinematic post game that shows him leaving everyone. They have spies following him for Greymane. So on his journey he cut his hair I think.
Thats not remorseless winter, thats DEFILE
The call backs to the Lich King are insane in this cut scene. Particularly the "my son" as Arthas's father's voice was the opening dialogue for Wrath of the Lich King with "My son" and also closes out Wrath with answering Arthas after his defeat with, "No King rules forever, my son."
A lot of people wanted Arthas to get a redemption arc. I think that what happened here was the *only* way it could have ended. As the Jailer said: the fate of all who carry my blade is annihilation. From the moment he took up Frostmourne, this was inevitable. His story is tragic, horrifying, and... it has to end. Not everybody gets a second chance.
I think it's powerful that the four people in this scene are among the ones most directly harmed by Arthas. Jaina, his lover. Uther, his teacher. Sylvanas, whom he cursed with endless torment. Anduin, whom he dominated. Uther talks about him being consumed in the forges of the Jailer... because Uther is the one who put him there. That act led directly to this moment.
You're right that Patty's performance as Sylvanas is absolutely stellar. You also nailed my own feeling that Jaina needed a bigger role. Oh, well... we can't always get everything we want.
The problem is mostly Blizzards own words.
Before SL they said they let Arthas in piece with his story ending in WOTLK.
Then they directly tie him to Uthers Bastion cinematic to tesse SL. Thus making his direct toss into the Maw by Uther a story relevant act to Uthers journey.
But also opened the can of worms where you cannot do that and not use his soul somewhere as a propper npc.
Instead they neither gave Arthas free soul without the helmet and sword a chance to do any good as himself again.
But solved this the worse way possible by purposely have his soul destroyed offscreen and his last fliker pitied by Uther, his love of his life Jaina dudnt get a single line or reaction. Anduin who lived through the Arthas expirience to a degree didnt either.
But Sylvanas who became much worse then DK or Lich King Arthas abd just changed 5 ninutes ago got a monologue to shoo him off. Begone and forgotten.
The same Sylvanas who also lost part of her soul...and first hand expiriencef why Arthas became callous and evil.
So involving the most popular wow char, but then never giving him a single line or propper appearance. Nor let the relevant npcs talk who are closer to him then Sylvanas was how they screwed this up.
Arthas was a lost cause the moment that he stepped onto Northrend, there was no redemption for him, and that notion was enough to get the Arthas stans all salty. quite frankly the playerbase so vehemently wanting Arthas in Shadowlands was probably what compelled Blizz to do that, as people have still not let go.@@TrafalgarWaterDLaw-dl5cm
@@TrafalgarWaterDLaw-dl5cm Nothing of what you write makes sense.
Arthas story was finished in WOTLK and that within the Jaina quest to save him, just to find his heart he cut out, making clear that Arthas is lost.
Shadowlands overall is the afterlife, so of course you got dead people here, that's the whole point. The only reason for Arthas to not be there woul be that his soul is destroyed or that he wouldn't be of importance, what would make little sense, seeing his deep link via Frostmourne and the Helmet of Domination to the story line.
But again: his story was done, it was a tragic one of a deep fall into the abyss, there was no way back and overall there is little good that Arthas ever did, even the culling of Stratholme if questionable and everyhing after that far, far worse.
Sylvanas did WAY less than Arthas. Even all her doing up to Shadowlands was on the same level as the culling of Stratholme: to sacrifice innocents but for a higher goal (and she at least KNOWS that there is an afterlife, one that is bad, yes, but that's her goal, to change that - Arthas just slaughter people because they might turn into Zombies).
Arthas was never dominated. Especially not at the start with all his bad and worse choices.
And no one stole Arthas soul or wounded and corrupted it as he did to Sylvanas. That was all his choice.
Popular means little. Especially not fans who want to ruin the character by turning his whole story around. Artha's story was about a golden prince becoming a fascistic king. The final they gave him is almost too good for him and it would be a farce to give him anything more.
Wait was Arthas dominating Anduin, I thought the Jailer was
@@miriamweller812 Ok you obviously miss alot of lore knowledge as you ignore alot of factors.
Let me start with Arthas. His characterisation was to be a fallen King Arthur. As such he starts as a young inexpirienced Prince and student that loves his Kingdom eith all his heart.
In Wc3 you follow his journey fighting off orcs, before you discover a plague that kills you and then raises you as undead that attack others and infect them also.
After they watch them turn they attack the other citizens also showing young Arthas the brutallity and danger. And the fact you cannot easily restrain this wild undead they become.
They then trace back the plague to grain and Kel'thuzad (Who worked for the Jailor in the new lore) who sets Arthas up to Stratholme. All tgr plan of Malganis the dreadlord.
As predicted Arthas rushes to save this major town, only to arrive to late. The grain had been distribiuted and the majority of the population had been affected.
Now what makes Stratholme grey is that as soon as we enter in WC3 and the dungeon Arthas maybe purges 1-3 people before this big city population all turn and infect each other. If Arthas didnt slaughter thus hordes with his men confined in the city,, the alternative would have veen a giant horde overunning lordaeron long before the army could have been raised and anything could have been done.
So while a cruel act it saved Lordaeron. Or at least spared maby lives the horde would have infected.
We then confront Malganis the big bad evil demon who is responsoble for all of this, who flees and taunts Arthas to lure him to Northrend. Playing on his love for his people, and hurt feelings over Uther and Jaina walking away from him over his dessision to purge.
Thr inexpirienced Arthas then sets out to kill Malganis because he belives he is the cause of the plague, knowing as long sd he is alive he will return and doom more peoole of Lordaeron.
So when the men want to leave he burns the boats. A bad action, but one that has a bigger reason.
Malganis trap however is then sprung as he has Nerubians overun them. Arthas is then informed of a magic Sword, Frostmourne and heads to retrieve it to win.
It is here Muradin reads the inscription of the Altar and elaborates that the Sword will claim a terrible price, Arthas vows he gladly pays every price and as soon as he touches the blade muradin is knockef out. (We are led to belive Frostmourne claimed Muradins soul) Arthas then goes to kill Malganis to the Dreadlords suprise and is then "Wandering through Northrend as the Sword drove him insane"
We meet him again dzring Illidans campaign, where he talks about not feeling anything as if he was dead.
Muradin turns out alive in WOTLK confirming it took Arthas soul, not Murasins as first payment. Wich also expkains why his body died and he becane undead. And why he lost his humanity.
He wasn't dominated like Anduin was, he lost his humanity to the sword.
When he is dexeated in Icecrown citadel, the sword shattered and helm of domination is lifted off he loses the blue hue around his eyes. Suddenly full of emotion he grabs for his father and asks "Is it over?". Confirming fully that while he did what he did it was an Arthad deprived of all emotion and empathy. Driven insane. Only close to death does he get a moment as his true self again.
So much like evil Sylvanas he had a very mirroed phase of evil actions, but technicly it wasnt his whole self.
Not to mention Bolvar became evil in Legion with the quests he sends Dks on wearing the helm of Domination, wich can let us guess there is more to this Helm of the Jailor does have a negative impact on your as well.
Now you do seem to also miss Sylvanas core diffrence. As i mentioned before in another comment she is outright cruel.
In the bookd she tried to kill and forcibly raise her own sister to undeath, skaughrered families during a human undead reunion and burned Teldrassil just to spite a Sentinel refusing to break.
Raises undead, uses the Plague she had been improved over snd over. Abd essencually badmouthed Arthas constantly for raising her and others. But did so herself since forever.
It's mostly shown in the reason why she got baited to duel Saurfanf in the first place. She enjoys to cause suffering, and they love to highlight how outright cruel this Sylvanas was.
Arthas in contrast raised neither his father nor Uther. And only went the extra mile if provoked, like Sylvanas did during his invasion. As he was ment to be cold and callous.
Wich shows you that it is Sylvanas that is prone to cruelty for cruelty sake.
In game when you fight the lich king and you are about to defeat it, he use that sword move to instant kill all the raid. Then there is a game event when Tyrion pray for a light last blessing and he is able to destroy the sword. At that moment the spirit of king Terenas Menethil is freeded for the sword.
In this scene Anduin "break" the sword by himself and the spirit who is freeded is Arthas.
Also, and paraphrase it, at the Wotlk cinematic King Terenas said: "everyone will whisper your name" and in this cinematic Sylvanas said "May the last whisper of your name fade and be forgotten"
I never noticed the extra little parallel to Sylvanas when he (they) split the sword. The way he pulls and screams is similar to Sylvanas when she pulled the Helmet of the Lich King apart
Anduin is mirroring Arthas. When he brought back Sindragosa and during the raid when he does the Necrotic Plague that kills everyone. It’s awesome.
I hadn't noticed the light in his swords following the severing. That indicates that him losing sight of himself happened _afterwards_ , with him speaking with Sylvanas and dwelling on everything that happened with no one around supporting him. (even though the exile was his choice.)
Think Thrall laying a hand on his shoulder triggered memory of when the visions of Varian And Varrok helped him overcome the control of the Jailer - which helps him overcome his self doubt with Thrall's help.
Is that thrall or saurfang?
it's saurfang, the horde necklace is a giveaway (but also thrall has black hair)
Its saurfang
In the war within cinematic its thrall
The Warcraft story starting at Warcraft 3 with Arthas specifically has been such a huge part of my life growing up filled with a world of wonder and amazment I remember playing WoW for the first time and realizing that the mountain I saw in the distance I could just go to and this was the first game I had that could do that. I was hooked the characters the story and I'm now even more thankful seeing your journey through this amazing story has helped me getting through a hard time in my life. from the bottom of my story loving heart Thank you
It's not the player rushing to Anduin as he stabs the ground, it is Sylvanas. She rush to save him.
EDIT: Also, Anduin breaking the sword mirrors the same pose as Sylvanas breaking the Helmet atop Icecrown, even the top the helm looks similar to the sword.
EDIT EDIT: About the light of the sword, you can go back to watch the Legion trailer (the one with the airships) and notice how it glowed orange/red while Varian wielded it. Then the flow faded as Varian died. In a following Legion cinematic of Anduin visiting the place Varian died he finds the sword "inert". He takes it and has a vision of Varian telling him that he doesn't have to try to live up to any legacy, he shouldn't be Varian 2.0. He needs to be his own person, his own King, and instead do what he believes is the best for his people. As Anduin gains confidence and purpose the swords start to glow but now with the more holy yellow tone.
A lot of people give this cinematic hate because of the “cringy” interaction of Varian and Saurfang here, along with “cry baby Anduin”. What they didn’t understand and still don’t is how much mental strain this domination puts on someone. As a viewer, you want to help but feel helpless to stop it. All the player really can do is beat Anduin down enough to knock sense. As a priest, Anduin’s means of connecting to the dead and souls tied to him helped pull himself out of this bind.
The other bit of hate is due to Sylvanas’ last words treatment to Arthas. That group still hasn’t recovered from Bolvar’s defeat. Some are just too quick to react and don’t think the implications leading up to the point of this cinematic.
I mean there is mostly the way they handled Arthas in general.
1# They state they will leave Arthas be. His story ended in WOTLK.
2#They include him in Uthers story, and thus connect him to his questline and SL.
3# They bring in Uther and Jaina. And are in the death realm where King Therenas and all of the freed souls are. But nothing ever comes of it.
Not even the realisation that they could have safed Arthas at Stratholme if they were more insisting.
4# They had the chance to have Arthas freed soul with his humanity back help Anduin who was screwed by a mournblade and the same evil being. And to a small degree do what Sylvanas was allowed to do in the end.
A tiny bit of making up for past actions. They had old lore npcs show up and quests for them like Kael or Uther.
5# When they stupidly scrapped all that and had his soul destroyed offscreen then revealed as a fart cloud Uther barely said anything nor reacted.
The love of his life said nothing to hers who even kept her locket as soulless Lich King fading infront of her.
Anduin who was dominated by the same being and went through a similar expirience didnt.
Only Sylvanas (After she got her good half back, and thus realized why Arthas was evil white haired and undead.) Who met Death Knights, and served/,worked with the Guy who created the Lich King and Frostmourne. And got told by Uther that Arthas wasnt always so in his flashback.
So basicly she knew how a hot headed yet good prince was turned into a grey skinned undead evil death knight who lost his entire soul.
But still dismisses him as if he was the actual villan. Not the jailor.
man this cinematics are always so nice to see, all the emotions that show up in this video :)
For the question about his hair, a novel just came out last week. After all the traumas he just leave everythings and try to hide, and he cuts his hair to not be reconize as the King, also his new name is Jerek
YES OMG IVE BEEN WAITING FOR YOU TO REACT TO THIS ONE
14:28 Actually Arthas did met Anduin, althought it was when Anduin was a baby. As a young child, Arthas became best friends with Varian Wrynn and often sparred with him. Arthas was inducted into the Knights of the Silver Hand at the young age of 19. The ceremony was held in the Cathedral of Light in Stormwind City, and was attended by prominent figures such as Genn Greymane, Thoras Trollbane, Daelin Proudmoore, and Jaina Proudmoore, whom Arthas had not seen since childhood. While in Stormwind, Arthas visited the newly crowned king, Varian Wrynn, and sparred with him while recounting old memories. He also met the recently born prince, Anduin Wrynn, who gripped his finger.
Fun fact: Arthas once visited Durnholde Keep and saw Thrall back when he was a slave
been waiting for this. full circle baby!
9:08 I think they do it to establish when a character is "reliving a memory" vs an actual flashback, since they did it with Jaina in BFA as well. (it may also be a convenient excuse to use the same model, it can be both!)
Just as a note: Chris Metzen, (WOW lead game designer) is the voice of Thrall, Voljin, and Varian Wrynn. You were comparing Varian in this to Thrall in the war within trailer and I remembered this.
Blizzard should pay you for this lol. You’ve brought so many players back into the lore. Love it!
To answer your question, the reason and way he stabs the ground is a callback to Arthas in the Wrath of the Lich King cinematic. He stabs the glacier he's standing on in the same way to raise Sindragosa. The skeletal dragon in the cinematic. This is a call back to that moment, of which they keep showing these moments of where Anduin and Arthas blend.
It's also how Lich King Arthas kills all players in the boss fight. Arthas stabs the ground and kills everyone, ready to raise them as undead champions, before the Light frees Tyrion and gives him the power to shatter Frostmourne - as it likely does give Anduin here the power to break Kingsmourne himself by parting the blade (it's very likely that the Light got its hand in that illusion of Saurfang and his father).
"Let it be finished" by saurfang being a double throwback is beautiful
I never noticed the detail of the light returning to Shalamayne in this cinematic, I guess I just assumed after watching the War Within that the light had just never come back after this. It's heartbreaking to think that Anduin had it here, he had a purpose in breaking free and stopping the Jailor, and once that was done, he lost that purpose and himself, and hasn't been able to find it again.
An interesting parallel/counter I just saw - here, Anduin is shaking, holding the power of this sword, and it's steadied by the spirits placing their hands over his. He then breaks the sword, not only like Sylvanas breaking the helm but also like Varian separating it to fight the Legion in that cinematic. HOWEVER, the point I thought of was when, in the War Within trailer, Anduin is once more holding the sword, point toward Thrall, his hand and grip shaking - but Thrall doesn't "take control" of him by placing a hand over his. Instead, he steps up and faces the threat/warning Anduin is giving him by showing him that he trusts Anduin won't act on it. But he doesn't do it by literally forcing his hand. He does it by literally making himself vulnerable.
Finally I’ve been waiting
I really hope you reacted to this after the Sylvanas Finale cinematic...
So the cutscene itself is from the Sepulchre of the First Ones raid - Anduin is a boss fight, and this is the scene that plays once his HP is down to a certain % (I forget which). So that's why the dashing towards him at the start. The stabbing of the sword is the start of like the limit break spell of the mournblade, the Lich King has done it a few times in the past. The voices sound like a blend of Arthas, Jailor (Zovaal), and Anduin's. I feel like it was just artistic interpretation re: his hair being short in the flash back, mostly because he was reliving that moment in the moment.
The other thing context wise that should be noted is that this whole expansion we have been in the lands of the dead, and neither Varian nor Saurfang have been seen in those lands, so this is the only time we get to see them. So I guess they live in Charlamaine now? LoL
Plus, Anduin is a priest! He needed a little bit of help from his two Warrior dads (and the only two who have been able to in lore so far!) to split the sword into two.
The blend of Sylvanus' music with Arthas is pretty bittersweet, I'm one of the few folk who really didn't like the Jaina/Arthas stuff, but that's because I'm team Kalec >.>
the music is amazing. while sylvanas is speaking about arthas, the arthas theme becomes the lament of the highborne, wich is a high elfish song about loosing their people in battle. There's a quest in WoW where you find a necklace wich belongs to sylvanas. If you return it to her, she sings this song. She sung it the first time, when she found her dead brother on the battlefield, killed by orcs in the second war.
Re:hair. It wasn't him remembering it, he was reliving it.
Zovaal saying "The fate of all who carry "my" blade" was his biggest mistake. The domination magic was strong enough to keep Anduin under his control, until the moment The Jailer claimed that Varian's sword as his own. Anduin wouldn't play along after that.
7 years passed between Shadowlands and Dragonflight. And that's assuming time works the same between Shadowlands and Azeroth.
Also, the stabbing the sword into the ground to release the past, remember Arthas stabbing the ice to release his power in WotLK trailer.
At 13:10 Saurfang says to Anduin, “And so let it be finished” the same thing he said during the duel with Sylvanas. Just fyi
Its also his dead son Dranosh's catch phrase. He said it first before he charged at Arthas at the Wrathgate and died.
Going to recommend one of my favourite cut scenes. Greymane and Sylvanas from the Stormheim campaign (assuming it hasn't already been covered). Show the old wolf some love!
And now I challenge you to go back and watch The War Within cinematic again. Anduin's pain has so much more meaning now that you know everything you've come through, and that he's been through. "Not after what I've seen.... not after what I've done." What an arc!
He actually did last night on last nights live stream
@@Nightbreeze75Awesome! Let me go dig it up, thanks for the head's up!
I’m binging the Shadowlands reactions today and noticed an interesting parallel between Arthas and Ursoc. Both of them had been corrupt before death and both of their souls end up fading to nothing, but while Ursoc is told “You will not be forgotten” Arthas is told “May the last whisper of your name fade and be forgotten” two very different reactions as they reach similar ends. Just a fun detail I wanted to point out.
Also, while I initially want to feel like telling Arthas he will be forgotten is an insult, I feel more like it is meant as a solace. Even the way Sylvanas says it feels comforting. To have committed the atrocities that Arthas did, if you were told you would be foirgotten, wouldn’t that be somewhat of a relief? I imagine Sylvanas may even feel the same about herself at this point.
Bro hype level was insane lol
He separates the sword the same way Sylvanas breaks the crown.
you make me laugh. I love all story lines.
This scene is so close to a 1:1 recreation of FF14 Heavensward ending it's super hard to see it for anything but.
No, it's not at all.
The FF14 Heavensward scene was gargabe and made no sense, because it came out of nowhere and with borderline zero links between the characters.
In FF14 the little lore there is makes pretty clear that souls go very swiftly to the lifestream after death, what is the reason you can't resurrect people.
The whole dragon eye thing was awful anyway, since Estinien struggled with the control of one eye the whole time, than he just grabs two for no reason, it was awful anyway.
Not even starting with how they throw the eyes from the bridge after that - especially with the other big dragon guy only 10m behind you, so yeah, why not give those eyes to the brother?
That scene was pretty much what starte the whole awful downfal of FF14's story telling, when they just could not get rid of these eyes and have to bring them back - including Estinien, who just became even more powerful for abslutely reason (well, still more reason than all the other Scions, who for why the fuck ever are all plot armor super murder hobos who just can't die).
Even the death of Shiva was already bad because it was for no reason at all. If she didn't try to abuse her primal powers to kill the Garleans, nothing would have happened.
Talking about Garlemald: also another terrible bad writing, how they just kicked the very interesting commander from the cliff to be forgotten forever.
Hell, you can talk days about how FF14 manages to make everthing 100 times worse for no reason than to avoid any effort of world building and an interesting story.
@@miriamweller812 While I appreciate that you broke things down into paragraphs, I'm still not reading all that. So I'll only respond to what I read. And that is that there actually was a connection between Lady Iceheart, Hearts'n'fartz, Alphinaud and the protagonist. If you didn't notice that, then my, you must be blind. Just because you feel WoW did it better doesn't mean WoW didn't steal the moment. Blizzard's entire catalog of games are rips of other things, done in the blizzard style.
I would also like to point at that when Anduin pulls Kingsmourn in twain that his scream mirrors Sylvanas's scream when she shatters the Helm of Domination. I don't feel many picked up on this as it shows that Anduin and Sylvanas are forever linked because of their shared trauma.
Love all the cinematics etc... so good. Shadowlands was not the best expansion, could have been way better, but i still enjoyed the overall story. The part where Varian and Saurfang show up is what gets me. The Warcraft universe for me is great! Have 98% of all books released.
The thing about this cinematic for me is Uther is absolutely devastated. During Shadowlands, we have to resolve some inner turmoil in Uther and he realises how wrong he was with the way he handled Arthas's fall, that that he reacted as a Paladin, and not as a mentor and a friend. On top of that he is directly responsible for Arthas's soul being destroyed by the jailer, you can tell he is absolutely crushed by Arthas's final fate.
From lich king to blue fart
Light as in the light isn't what is in that sword. Varian wasn't a light user and the sword always had a glow but it was more red. The glow changes depending on the holder. This is too soon after being dominated. In those 7 years, Anduin didn't feel the light anymore.
Starting as a worgen watching the wretched banshee kill Liam Greymane that expansion was pretty traumatic for me. The consolation of reclaiming Gilneas felt cheap after chasing that banshee for 14 years. I still till this day dive into mobs of NPCs related to her butchering them out of utter spite. Anduin spent 7 years dealing with his demons walking the maw. Sylvanas and the jailer violated his soul. I would say you need to watch the battle for GILNEAS the very first one. You will understand.
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FOR AZEROTH!!!!!!!! Lok’tar AGAR!!!!! ❤ we miss you forever Saurfang 😢
Stop, stop, stop. You're going to take someone's eye out. Besides, you're saying it wrong. It's Ogar, not Agar.
I highly recommend you check out Captain Grim's parodies like The Shadowlands Story in a Nutshell or The Shadowlands Launch Experience 😁
Jaina was such a big part of Arthas' story that I'm surprised they didn't focus on her more. pretty sure they had a three-way crush triangle with ol' Sunstrider.
Yeah I thought the same but she had a lot happen since then
There is a truly fabulous youtuber called Captain Grim...who did a superb parody of this ..worth a watch 😁
Same shot of anduin splitting the blade as sylvanas splitting the helm of domination. Not sure what that callback is meant to convey tho.
Freedom I think. Sylvanas breaks it to start on the road of “setting us all free” and Anduin splitting the sword is freedom from the Jailers domination.
@@AnimaChrysalis haven’t considered that. Great catch
Hey Philip, did you watch the fall of the lich king (arthas) in-game cinematic? A little out of order but probably worth watching.
The first half of this cinematic was amazing. The second half of the cinematic ticked me off. The lack of reaction from Uther and Jaina was ridiculous. They could have had Sylvanas monologue some other time. And it still feels like the devs were telling Arthas fans to sod off through her.
and Arthas, My Son the link to the my son phrase
There are words of Arthas theme to better understand the vocals - ruclips.net/video/3m51oKG3BKA/видео.html and thats the original theme of his horse ruclips.net/video/EV46qFZrOzk/видео.html
this cinematic gave me the goosebumps that i was lacking the whole expansion, i was hyped for this even though most of the community was like "you bastards! you took Arthas' redemption from us!" as if Arthas was redeemable, Garrosh was thought redeemable and look how he went out, just because he was likely to go to Revendreth if not for Uther and what's her face does not mean he'd guarantee to be redeemed.
You need to watch shattered legacies cinematic to see how Sylvanas got here and the raid end where she turns. It's wierd you watching them out of order lol
He has watched it. He watches most of the cutscenes on live stream.
Even tho I think the story and how Arthas was implemented works fine, it still is questionable bringing back one of the most iconic characters in the game's lore for just being the battery of a weapon. They kinda "stired" the hearts of their people and didnt show restraint in exercising their great power of hyping people up.
I mean, the problem is you when you just call that a "battery".
Anduin's two hot dads
If you read Sylvanus' parting lines to Arthas on paper, you would expect it to be spoken with so much anger and rage -- but they chose to have her say it quietly, calmly. It gives the curse so much more weight, I think. It gives you the sense that she sees him as not worth spending emotional effort or energy, he has become Nothing.
And yet it is so out of character for someone who lost half her soul and became worse then Arthas as a Death Knight.
But once she got her other half back realized why she was evil. She also worked with the guy who created Frostmourne and is responsible for the doom of her home. And Arthas losing his entire soul and thus his Kingdom also.
So instead of realizing that the white haired emotionless Death Knight Arthas was much like her Banshee self a victim of sorts. But as she said there is no soul left to atone as she was allowed to.
And yet she choses to dismiss him like nothing. One could say its the writers trying to symbolize her letting go of her hate. And yet knowing his fate is so close to hers, and so much more who lost their entire or parts of their souls, it would make more sense to understand him and who is actually to blame.
The man who sacraficed allies as tools, made the mournblades, and does not care about anyone. The man she served since legion.
The thing is, that the name of king are in general reminded well - and in his case in the worst way, because he became the worst king possible, a mass murdering monster who tried to kill the whole world and make it his undead slave.
So the only way to remember Arthas is this horrendous story. In which case it would be good if people just wouldn't remember him at all.
@@TrafalgarWaterDLaw-dl5cm No, it's not. And Sylvanas at her worst is what Arthas was at his best: killing innocent for a higher goal.
Sylvanas never went beyond what Arthas did in Stratholme.
@@miriamweller812 You forget a very important factor.
Unlike Arthas Sylvanas wasn't just callous she was outright sadistic. The best example is how she burned Teldrassil and all of them alive just to spite and tourture a sentinel that refused to be broken.
Another instance was slaughtering Humans during a undead and living reinion between relatives.
And much more. Arthas at his worse was cold, and had a twisted goal go turn everyone undead to be stronger to face the legion.
Sylvanas killed innocents if she felt like it. Raised undead while shittalking Arthas for raising her and others. Made deals and worked for the person who created evil Arthas in the first place, and dominated someone despite her big talk on free will. etc.
And it is the writers fault of course to be so silly with how they wrote Sylvanas, but this are all relevant in how she goes out of her way to make others suffer.
Arthas only went the extra mile when pushed. Like how Sylvanas in wc3 kept taunting him. He didnt raise any other elf like her during the attack because they didnt actively provoked him.
Compare that with Sylvanas turning a reunion of families into a bloodbath and you see a big diffrence.
Or trying to kill and forcibly raise her own Sister. Arthas didnt even raise his father or uther.. or jaina.
And i know not everyone reads the books, but they are as much canon as the expantions they play in.
They give us much more insight in the actual contrast of the two.
The major problem with Shadowlands and the Jailer is that it was endless retcons one after the other.
There are zero retcons. You got no clue what retcons mean.
Retcon is, when you for example say, that the town there got a police HQ, while it never was there before, but suddenly everyone treats it like that.
A retcon is not when you learn something new you simply couldn't know before. For example everything in the Shadowlands, because it was another dimension, so no one got any clue about it.
Even when it comes to things like Frostmourne and alike, it's no retcon, because it is explained by having this fraction that is known for its deception and lies, so it's absolutels realistic that they never told the actual facts about the blade and the helmet. And the new infos make MUCH more sense anyway.
It was always odd how the whole undead thing came from Chaos and how it was just those not even that powerful demon guys who forged it from a single soul.
A god behind it makes much more sense and also explains why it couldn't be destroyed.
"I will never trust her!" A maaassive portion of the WoW community, especially the Alliance.
As if Sylvanas would care what some dumbos think about her.
Cute coming from Jaina, who let her dad die to the horde in the first place
I'm really dissapointed how Blizzard handled Arthas's story. I returned to play WoW because of him. I wanted to see more of him and we've only got to see almost nothing of him by the end of the expantion. Really really dissapointed :(.
I am very biased, I wish Arthas wasn't just deleted in this moment. There could have been a redemption moment where he took the mantle to properly handle souls in the maw. He was the stealer of souls before, he could have been the handler easy. Yet they stamped him out, like blizzard just wants us to forget what made WoW great in the first place. Arthas is the single most popular storyline out of wow's entire history. For good reason as well, it's incredibly well crafted by people who actually cared about making a story. This was just people making something so the CEO (at the time) Bobby breast-milk drinking Kotick could get a paycheck.
As much as Shadowlands pisses me off, the two things I actually liked, was Sylvannas, and Anduin's archs through this.
Sylvia as had the audacity to smear Arthas’ name in front of Jaina… lol.
I dont think you saw the cinematic where the Jailer returns Sylvanas's soul so thats why she is a little "nicer" in this cinematic
Yeah i was wondering the same, because the last reaction was to Tyrande's cinematic from SoD.
You should really do a reaction to Diablo IV cinematics....
I don't mind arthas end, but the way they did it was dirty. It was mostly focused on Sylvanas character development and almost no interaction with Uther and Jaina. At least show some last interaction with what remains of his soul god dammit, not a mute whisp.
There was zero reason for Jaina to have much of a role in that, since she had a long questline in WotLK where it was made clear that Arthas is dead as he cut out his own heart. That was when Jaina made her piece with her loss and gave up on him.
Regardin Uther, the way they show the pain on his face tells way more about it than anything he could say and he too got a long questline in Shadowlands.
All Sylvanas, the by far biggest victim of Arthas, gets is this moment with her tormentor fading away.
Just as she later gives Tyrande the judgement over herself, she got all the right for the final words here.
In my opinion, they did Arthas real dirty, he deserverd a better ending for sure.
Arthas' ending was at the end of Wrath of the Lich King. He got his farewell. This is the story of those still traumatized of his actions and looking to find a closure for this chapter of their lives.
@@ArekuMizuharaBut they didn't.
Neither Uther nor Jaina got to prooerly conclude anything because they didn't bother giving them actual storylines for it.
You need to remember for Uther Arthas was like a son, his betrayal at that time was absolutely devestating. But he learned what mournblades are, saw in Sylvanas what losing half your soul can do. And knew it was Frostmourne that stole his entire Soul. He was also a Studentcwho needed his Master. If he'd stand up to Arthas at Stratholme his downfall would have never occured.
Jaina whos love of her life even as soulless Lich King canonically keot her locket, who could have also stood up to Arthas and actually the only one able to contain the undead in the city with her magic as only alternative to purging it. As well as the biggest influence on Arthas didnt. She didnt even got a word or reaction to his last bits fading.
Only Sylvanas got her monologue, and despite knowing everything about how Arthas was tricked and lost his entire soul. Knew how moutnblades are made and who made Frostmourne and evil Arthas. Knew how losing half of hers tutned her worse then even him. And yet instead of a shred of sympathy or understanding still choses to dismiss him.
Not the big bald guy who is the root of the fall of lordaeron. And near anahilation of Quel'thalas.
That was the only accepable ending and much more than what he deserved actually.
@@TrafalgarWaterDLaw-dl5cm You do get no matter how often you repeat the same bullshit, it doesn't become true?
@@TrafalgarWaterDLaw-dl5cm Oh, they did.
Uther's entire reflection about his relationship with Arthas was done in the quests to help him relive his memories. There he atoned that he failed Arthas.
Sylvanas has all the right to dismiss Arthas. He ruined her life and her afterlife. "Begone, Arthas Menethil." is her curse to finally shoo him away.
Jaina and how she lowers her head... and how she sides with Anduins shows that she found her end at Anduin's side. "Give Anduin to me!" during the Sylvanas Raid fight.
So sad that this maybe is the last appear of Arthas in wow 😞😞😞
Arthas done dirty. The cinematic needed to be at least 5-8 minutes longer. Uther and Jaina should’ve had their monologues as well here.
But yeah yeah budget and all that nonsense 🙄
May i suggest Arknights 3D Animations? They are pretty good
ah wah wah, those wanting more from Jaina - she had a tiny almost nothing relationship with Arthas; Sylvanas' life was destroyed by Arthas and then her resultant destructive drive for retribution wrecked most of us and herself. Hers should be the voice, hers is the true lament, NOT Jaina!
500 anima.
The concept of this was great, but having Sylvanas be the one to give Arthas' eulogy was insulting. Uther should have been the one.
Unfortunately Blizzard was and is controlled by people who force bad decisions on the story.
Most of lore nuts for wow actually hate this one, at least the end of it. yes Arthas was an selfish evil SOB! but we were never even given a chance to try and redeem him. I would of rather tried and failed, and still had to put him down, than to have the choice not even given. Arthas was also an important character to the franchise. Had they ended at before she says "Begone." I think we would of given it a 5 or 6 out of ten and moved on. But this disgracing of a character that meant so much to us as younger fans. It was like a slap in the face on top of the horrible story telling that came out of Shadowlands. This was the last straw for me and I snapped. I had been holding out hoping something would redeem some of shadowlands narrative, but when I saw this. I was done and over it.
Arthas did nothing wrong. I'm pretty sad with the direction they took Arthas in Shadowlands.
Absolutely a total mistake on the hair..... even arguing that its a memory doesn't work. Style over consistency
This finale is an absolute joke and it's the story writers taking a massive dump on Arthas just so they could have their way and give Sylvanas, who does NOT deserve anything after what she did, the final word. It's true, Arthas was a horror, but it all started off with him wanting to do good. Meanwhile, Sylvanas was an absolute evil maniac, willfully, and not only did she get away with it, she pretty much got a pat on the back because hey, it wasn't her fault, because she was somehow controlled? But she was also clearly doing things of her own free will.
Honestly, Shadowlands was a whole new low in terms of quality of the story, it was an absolute failure from any way you look at it, so much so that in the end it's completely inconsequential and unmentionable, even in-game.
Condemned to the Maw is hardly "getting away with it or a pat on the back" lol
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"Condemned". Yawn. She'll be back. Blizzard will pull her out of their ass again. Either way, she had ZERO rights to have any kind of epilogue/closing words in regards to Arthas, and even fewer rights to be there instead of being chained in a prison. Uther was the one who had the most right to say anything at all, but he was conveniently silent because the writing team who struggled so hard to shove Sylvanas down everyone's throat NEEDED her to have a last word. It's an absolute joke.
@@dustypillows5819 Condemned... sort of? She will almost certainly be back, considering time-dilation in the Maw and all. Hopefully it's just a small but crucial role before fading away again - or maybe dying and accepting death which has been a part of her larger inner conflict.
You got clearly zero clue what good writing is. You want some bullshit anime copy/paste nonsense, fine, then go there and watch your shonen anime with the whitewashed psychopath heroes, who would just come back there in some absolute stupid rule of cool twist or whatever.
You also got zero clue about Arthas and Sylvanas at all. Feels more like you are one of that crybaby crowd that just love to throw shit.