Filmmaker Reacts: World of Warcraft Shadowlands - Tyrande Vs Nathanos
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The art and music teams have been carrying WoW for the last several years imo.
Not sure if you did, but watch BfA Malfurion / Darkshore in-game cinematic. Malfurion is insanely op
As many problems as Shadowlands had, the environment team never fails. I loved how Bastion was so heavenly with windswept, feathery trees and grass and swooshy, curved marble almost like the islands themselves were made out of solid clouds.
I have the same opinion but i loved zereth morthis, Ardenweald and the dark ghotic vibe from revendreth. Dragonflight is to generic for me and the best region of dragonflight was just a inspiration from that region in notherend. But DF was better in every other way except in the vibe.
wait... didnt you already watched the Covenants intro videos that describes the important characters and 4 sides in Shadowlands... cuz you ask who is this when they show Winter Queen and I remember you already commented in your previous video how she looks cool.... :)
I'm confused by the timelines of your videos :D
I think that since he goes through details in every cinematic he reacts, he just watched all of them, and then edited, then released it in bits. So maybe he saw this scene prior in reaction, but released later.
Genn Greymane and Sylvanas have one of the most contentious interactions in modern Warcraft. During the Worgen new player questline, you watch her kill his son Liam right in front of him, just because, and then she bombards the capitol and the surrounding lands with blight (after promising Garrosh she wouldn't use it), killing the innocents left in a hideous way.
Genn takes on the hunt for her in Legion as they both land in Stormheim on the Broken Isles, and destroys her base camp there as he chases her to where she has captured Eyir, the Titan Keeper who controls the Val'kyr, with the Soulcage, the lantern thing that Helya gave to her, in order for her to create new Val'kyr to keep her alive and to create new Forsaken. Genn fights her and smashes the Soulcage, ruining her and her people's chances for the future, and he calls that out specifically as vengeance for his son.
It's so great to see that level of storytelling, they may not be the biggest main characters in every tale, but that back and forth between them is always entertaining.
Nathanos Marris was the one and only Human "Ranger-Lord", trained by the High Elves of Quel'thalas (and specifically Ranger-General of Silvermoon Sylvanas Windrunner, who was rumored to be his lover but nothing was ever confirmed). He was killed when the Scourge decimated Lordaeron, and raised by Sylvanas' Val'kyr she took from Arthas when she broke the Forsaken away from the Scourge. He has served as her second-in-command ever since Varimathras' failed coup attempt during the events of the Wrathgate, and is now called the Blightcaller in recognition of his status.
In this cinematic he has retreated back to his ancestral home, the Marris Stead in Lordaeron, and is fighting off the forces of the Argent Crusade (an egalitarian organization of Scourge fighters that will take anyone, Horde or Alliance), when Tyrande shows up and ends him with prejudice.
Tyrande's voice actor doesnt get nearly enough credit. She's fucking incredible.
Nathanos' voice actor is just as good.
Tyrande has over 10,000 years of martial experience. Yes, she is that old. Nathanos is just a normal human (although being undead, he doesn’t age like the living does) so it’s obvious who will win in a duel. We’re not even talking about night warrior here, Tyrande wins just based on combat experience alone.
Aggra is NOT from Draenor, she is from Outland. She met Thrall (aka Go'el) when he went back to OUtland seeking clarity with the elements, who were completely inturmoil on Azeroth due to Deathwing's fu**ing up the planet.
Outland is Draenor, just after Ner'zhul destroy the planets by making a portal to another world. Aggra is from the Draenor (Outlook) of our Timeline and she met Thrall during The Burning Crusade. She is not from the alternative Draenor that we visited during Warlords of Draenor.
Its funny he says "Every Soul Burned to Ash", Later on you collect "Soul-Ash" and use it to make weapons. lol
In short: Nathanos was Sylvannas' right-hand man/kinda lover, fought as a world-boss of sorts during the pre-launch event (undead invasion) for Shadowlands. Once he's defeated the cutscene is triggered.
Ah, yes. Nathanos is happy to be sent right to his lady.
You didn’t pick up on the brief pause when the actor delivered the line: “She’s with him… of course.” There’s anger which segues easily into mockery.
No spoilers.
And yet we did not see Nathanos ever since
Nathanos was probably on of the most hated characters, even before the tree burning scene. Not because he was a good villain. He was mostly annoying and cringe when we had to interact with him.
Add to this that he had plot armor for no real reason and is pretty much a fanfiction character
He was pretty much Steve Danusers self insert.
I think you may have missed a certain amount of BfA cinematics, a bit too bad otherwise you would have understood the meaning of the eclipse.
BfA Horde cinematics and Battle for Darkshore are ones you can’t miss
42:00 the Necromantic Death Magic wielded by Maldraxxus is dark green in color. Fel is bright green, almost neon in color. Nature magic can manifest in natural green colors.
I hated killing him. He was the only one that treated the players like the worthless window lickers we actually are. Good night, sweet prince 😭
Agra came from the current timeline, Thrall went back to Nagrand to learn more about being a Shaman and she ends up training him a bit. She is not from OG Draenor (warlords of draenor), she is from Outland.
*Aggra, her full name is btw Aggralan
Outland is the OG draenor
Shadowlands might not have been the best expansion (I like it, but it wasn't that great) but the cinematics were amazing.
Visually, Shadowlands was amazing. Playing through it though...was suffering.
Genn: *SYLVANAAAAS!!!!* became such a meme for a while.
This my favorite… she kills Sylvanas lover and side kik… the lore too watch is when tyrande and banshee get into it ❤
Has he not seen the malfurion "WE ARE COMING" Trailer?
Nathanos knows about the Shadowlands and that life doesn't matter much, not talking about that he's undead anyway, so already did die before that.
If people would know that for example the christian Paradies is real, they wouldn't care much about dying either.
Don't want to take away from it, just saying why he has no problem with being 'killed', because it simply doesn't mean at all what death would mean in RL (as far as we know).
But in the end, was this Death is real end, we never saw his soul anywhere in Shadowlands and Slyvanas didn't know that he died, there fore is the chance really high that the Jailor did something with his soul because he went like every other soul straight into the Maw
I love these I re-watch them all the time (your videos I mean) because it doesn't get old; even if I've seen the livestreams lol.
for clarity's sake- Lion's Rest ( where Anduin was snatched) is a special Memorial to Varian (and collectively to all the losses from Legion/BFA wars), but that is a sculpted shape of him, since we saw his body be "disenchanted" by Gul'dan.
I think that Bolvar Fordragon was taken to Acherus the Ebon Hold, which is a necropolis only available to Death Knights. I think it got moved to Icecrown from Light's Hope Chapel.
I am no lore master though, just a wow player for ages.
It moved to the Broken Isles during Legion where it acted as the Death Knight class hall before moving to Icecrown during Shadowlands.
@@Simeru87 I would say lore wise it moved to icecrown a littlebit earlyer like same for Dalaran that moved between WotLK and Legion to an unknown place too before it moved to Sholo and then Broken Isles
I love Tyrande's character arc in _Shadowlands._ She's an instrument of Elune's vengeance, but that power carries its own price. She has only begun to pay it here. Being the Night Warrior makes her one of the most powerful characters in the story at this point in time. Nathanos is a chump by comparison.
We find out in-game that, of the various major characters that Sylvanas' Mawsworn go after in that first cinematic, Tyrande is the only one who was able to fight them off. It highlights her immense strength.
I never played Horde seriously, so I didn't get to hang out with Nathanos as much as some players. He's a very interesting character. Unfortunately, he doesn't get a lot of attention in this expansion.
Tyrande's weapons are warglaives, a classic Night Elf weapon that we see used by the Sentinels and the Demon Hunters. In adopting them she becomes almost a pure implement of battle. That circular, fluid attack style is very characteristic of them, and she is SO badass that it makes me feel a bit let down that we haven't seen her in any cutscenes before this.
The owl is Dori'thur, her companion.
As for the third cinematic, you've already watched the Afterlives shorts. We see Bastion, Ardenweald, Maldraxxus, Revendreth, and of course the Maw.
Not to spoil things, but Nathanos' fate here DOES come up in a later Shadowlands cinematic, so it's important to have seen this for the context, as it makes what happens then far more impactful.
I'd also like to add that Nathanos' arrogance stems from the fact that he was the first and only human ever to be accepted into the elite Rangers of Quel'thalas, who were otherwise exclusively High Elves (what Sylvanas was before she died). That's when their romantic interests began, as she was the Ranger-General and head of that order at the time, with one of her two sisters now occupying the rank. He was an important quest giver for Horde (or target for Alliance) in the original version of WoW, but didn't return to prominence again until Legion, when she began using him as her personal champion and commander.
This didn't go over so well with players, since, while he certainly would have had reason to lord over us back when World of Warcraft started, by the time he returned we had slain all manner of cosmic horrors and planetary-level threats, while this guy's still acting like he's better than us. That made the battle where BOTH factions attacked him (right before Tyrande shows up to finish him off) very cathartic for most, since well, the guy's an asshole! But as discussed, the kind you love to hate too..
I always liked Nathanos - brusque and generally unpleasant as he is, I always respected his undying loyalty.
Another thing that makes this kill more impactful, is that in the invasion of darkshore, which led to the burning of Teldrassil, her lover Malfurion was nearly killed while Nathanos beld her back.
Malfurion was only almost killed pre burning of teldrassil, what are you talking about?
@@epic-o2215 I literally said NEARLY killed, what are YOU talking about??
@chrismaples9392 tyrande wasn't there when this happened. She was flying from stormwind, and Nathanos wasn't involved in malfurions near death event
@@epic-o2215 really? Goddamn I got bias blocked then, everyone I've talked to or had something to say about this that mentioned Tyrande said something along the lines of him delaying her showing up/holding her off..
@chrismaples9392 Maybe you are mixing up parts of the story, malfurion was in charge of the defense of darkshore while tyrande was in stormwind asking for military support. Malfurion trapped sylvanas and might have ended the invasion, but saurfang attacked with an axe throw from behind. Sylvanas is freed and moves on to teldrassil, orders saurfang to kill malfurion, elune pacifies him long enough for tyrande to arrive ( and for him to reflect on his actions as dishonorable, for attacking malfurion from behind) tyrande arrives via hyppogryph and us ready to fight saurfang, but spares his life since he didn't kill malfurion. She uses a hearthstone to bring him to stormwind to be healed and asks the alliance player to observe the horde occupation of teldrassil in her absence . The burning is what follows and hopefully you know the rest.
Hello! I love how you analyzed the cinematics and other animations, and how discover a game world with joy. Keep up the good work and all the bests for you! The orc skin color question is changed in the WoW just so many other things. The Blizzard often sacrifice the old story things for the new ones. The orcs originaly had green skins too just like we in the real wolrd, but in the Warcraft 3 the demonic fel magic changed them red or dark brown just like int Burning Crusade. In the Warlords os Draenor they changed this completly. Salute Philip! ✌
It's worth noting that Genn and Sylvanas have their own rivalry. Their duel in WoW Legion was awesome!
Don't think Sylvanas gives much of a damn about Genn in general. Genn itself simply looks like a bad leader being so emotional about it, but sure, it's the whole werewolf thing and of course he lost his son. Still: a leader should be more coldheaded, since it is not about him.
@@miriamweller812 tell that to Garrosh. oh sorry, we ended him in different ways
Geographically Gilneas is very close to Lordaeron, so he's still mad that Lordaeron is in the hands of undead and not humans.
Rivalry? more like Vendetta.
@@miriamweller812 lol - little child. a leader should be more coldheaded. yeah the absolutely cold leaders are the ones who can be converted into puppets most quickly. see sylvanas. whoever is cold is calculated. whoever is emotional is not.
watch ruclips.net/video/TcsV9_llLNk/видео.html for the in-game cinematic's your missing. the first 5minites 18seconds of it was the shadowlands intro you watched of Sylvanas breaking the Lich King's Helm. It helps you understand why Anduin is the way he is in War Within Cinematic.
A lot of where Shadowlands failed had a lot more to do with the story progression and the narrative choices... along with the gameplay, from what I've heard from my friends who played through it. That is really to say that they felt... almost betrayed by the things that the writers did with characters that they loved for years, and had become very attached to. Yeah, the cinematics are fine, I'll give 'em that, and where you're not going to have as strong of feelings is a lot to do with the fact that you're not as neck-deep in the lore as a lot of my friends have been. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that's a bad thing, just kind of... identifying areas where you have a better opinion on Shadowlands than a lot of us long-haul players, and I am DEFINITELY not saying that you shouldn't enjoy the cinematics at all. Heck, through BfA and Shadowlands, the cinematics are the strongest component of it all, it feels like. The game surrounding them just... didn't hold up to it as much.
Sir good video. Now that you know the lore abit. You should watch Captain Grimm's WoW machimma videos. They are hilarious. You will laugh yourself off. Please 😊
The main issues the community has with shadowlands imho came from 2 main issues: 1st is the timing, we had a little bit of content diluted in 2/3 months, then we had like 4/5/6 months in which there was nothing new to do, then new patch comes out and the story is clearly cut, another 2/3 months with a little story and then another big gap. Second is the story that has some clear cuts that make all seem rushed and doesn't build the villain in the right way (plus you see some god-level "perfect" characters acting really stupidly for no reason). Mix these things and you have an angry community that will be hypercritical, so when a new patch comes you need to do some perfect work if you want to save your face, but the patches were all but perfect unfortunately.
I love your content! Thanks for all the insight! If you haven't yet (I didn't find it) you should react to overwatch's Kiriko cinematic!
I love the delivery of 21:06 as well. It feels just so arrogant and mocking, to spew her name at her with that tone. Like, you may kill me, but you ain't getting any real info out of me, deuces.
Don't know if it got fully explained on stream but here's a brief explanation of the different areas of the shadowlands.
When someone dies, they are basically sorted into a region. Those of noble and honorable life go to Bastion(the first area shown), Ardenweald(second), or Maldraxxus(third). If a soul is in need of penance or redemption , they are sent to Revendreth (4th shown) to serve time attoning, eventually being allowed to go to one of the previous three. Souls deemed unredeemable are sent to The Maw (the final area shown), basically hell.
There's much more to the story, but I don't want to risk spoilers, so that should be enough to start with.
Loving your videos. Keep them coming.
Not quite. After they atone, they can either stay in Revendreth, go back and be judged by the Arbiter and be sent to their own personal afterlife or they may get sent to one of the other four planes. You don't have to have lived an honorable life to end up in Maldraxxus and Ardenwield is pretty much exclusive to those linked with nature or visit temporarily for a cycle of rebirth if you're a deity of some sort in your own world.
Nathanos is fighting the players as a psuedo raid-boss...when you get his health down to about 5%, Tyrande comes in and seals the deal.
Thrall was NOT born green. Guldan used fuel magic to save his life after he was born and the fel magic turned Thrall green.
If you look at the realms map… there’s void/shadow/fel.. and animas
Gonna request some kingdom hearts opening cinematic reactions lol
I really forgot about 4K Daddy Denathrius 🥵
They really do need to make another movie of the game really
Not heaven… light/life… dark/death.. realms
Thrall is happily married and has kids, Jaina is in an on and off relationship with the Blue Aspect Kalecgos (Kalec) Dragon and Archmage of Kirin Tor. I have NEVER understood why people think there is something between Jaina and Thrall, neither has ever shown the other more than friendship imo...
There are people who simply don't understand that women and men can just be friends. And in the case of Jaina and Thrall, they are even more than that, they are comrades in arms. That brings us together, even if we sometimes fight on opposite sides.
Before she showed up, he was fighting us the players
lol @ Step Wife! - What did you step into maaan!
Congrats on getting Blizzard approval. Some streamers struggle with that. They take their PR very seriously after their court case with California state a while back.
It may be obvious being an MMORPG, but each race has its own starting area and little starting questlines that introduce you to the world and your race's place in it. There'd be a compilation video of all of them if you need help choosing a race, but it'd be a nice surprise if you avoid it too.
Oh, and I can't remember if the owl is her pet or if it's one of Malfurion's druid forms.
In The Burning Crusade, when we go to outland, horde players find evidence of primitive orc weapons, and there are fel orcs around everywhere, who are red in color. A quest leads you to discover the mag'har orcs who are still natural brown color and uncorrupted. Because Draenor got turned into outland when it was shattered by Ner'zul opening a bunch of portals, there were still orcs who lived there that didn't drink the demon blood and go through the portal to Azeroth. In later zones you find even more orcs and that's where you meet Thrall's grandma and Garrosh, and then you send for Thrall and he shows up and there's an in game event where they show Garrosh how Hellscream killed, and was killed by, Mannoroth (giant winged demon). It ties in perfectly with the Warlords of Draenor cinematic because he knew exactly how it went down and how to avoid it. Also that is when Thrall met his wife. That is also the place where Thrall made his home in the cinematic that Saurfang visited him. When he says "this world is broken" because it literally is, it's outland, shattered by rampant magics in some places. And because of the background terrain landmarks you can actually tell exactly where Thrall's house would be in game lol.
after Bolvar Fordragon became the new Lich King, and the Death Knights that were previously risen to serve Arthas and found themselves a reason to go on, Bolvar would lead them through a Campaign in Legion, with the Player becoming Deathlord and following Bolvar's instructions, but not as mindless Scourge like Arthas would have them.
There are many "great trees" around the world that have gateways into the Emerald Dream. One is south of Stormwind, and another is far north near the Plaguelands.
Mount Hyjal has the original World Tree, which has healed from the events of Warcraft but it will never regain the full connection to Azeroth it once had.
Hi jall is how you say it.
Her weapons are a custom variant of Moonglaives. The traditional weapons of female Night Elf guards and warriors.
Jaina and Thrall have a really close relationship like a brother and sister. Jaina hasn't seemed to be close to anyone since Arthas fell, or at least hasn't had a close romance like that since.
Bit of a random idea but I'd love for you to react to some of the 'The legacy of..' series by Preach Gaming (he dropped a really good one tonight). It would be a cool way of you learning some of the backstory of the in-game events and the videos themselves are really entertaining so I'm sure you'd enjoy them
you should totally do a watchtrough of Starcraft, the old cinematics from sc1 then the recap of sc1 that they added to sc2 then the AMAZING trailers and in game cinematics!
Genn with his wolfie senses still needing a horse to tell him baddies are coming 🤣
If only recent lore was as good as the art and music 😅
The chained up is the jailer../titan
Genn hates Sylvanas more than most cause she killed his son Liam Greymane and conquered his nation Gilneas for the forsaken (which we will reclaim for the Gilneans in the upcoming updates to the game). Also I love Maldraxxus it sure has some valhalla vibes
i think the first cinematic makes more sense if you have seen the Terror of Darkshore cinematic first as its a part of the storyline, but i don't know if he's seen it, as the videos he releases are not always in chronological order as he released the other Shadow lands cinematic reactions first.
There death nights… that carry him
I don't watch the streams, but the cinematic with Malfurion was dope. Shame no reaction to it here as I think it's pre-Nathanos?
As someone who mains a Survival Hunter, is Tyrande considered a Sentinel? One of the new Ascendant specs for Hunter in War Within is Sentinel. She has a Sentinel Owl. If Survival Hunter can dual-wield with those glaives, that would be awesome. People would play it more. Even the guards around Darnassus are called Sentinels. I really hope for the Survival Spec it is something close to Tyrande as a Night Warrior.
She is the Leader of the Sentinels, she formed them back in the War of Ancients but she isn't a Hunter she is a Pristess, her adoptive Daughter Shandris Feathermoon is btw the Secondary Leader. But Tyrande is more like Maiev, because every Warden of the Night Elfs is a Pristess that btw the reason why Tyrande is Trained in fighting with Wargleivs
@@hordenallimaniafan2565 -- I'm not stating facts. I'm stating wishes. I wish she could be considered a hunter.
I wish for something cool related to Survival Hunter to kick up interest and the only link is the word Sentinel.
I appreciate you providing the facts, but I was merely making a wish.
Elves in lore apart from Warcraft are natural hunters. Sentinel owl is a current ability all hunters have in their class tree although it isn't used and is kind of boring.
My statement was a stretch, but a stretch I hope is made.
6:18 daughter of Bolvar.
Nathanos was fighting us.
its, `High-Jal` lol.
Mount HIGH-JAL
"mount high jawl"
16:21 - DH is a hero class. Cant pick that ast first class. You need to get to max with a normal char first.
Isn't blizzard fiz it by sell lvling token?
not anymore, you only need a lvl 60 char for a Dracthyr, but DK and DH are both playable from beginning even while they start at lvl 10
Mt Hyjal( Hy - jal)
Hyjal - Hi'jal
Genn with his wolfie senses still needing a horse to tell him something is coming :D well actually my last year of high school
He's not in wolf form tho
The Witcher Genn of Gilneas)))
That is the winter queen… elunes sister… wow you need to watch them all