OG Dying Light Zombies Are Just Built Different...
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- The OG Dying Light zombies were so good that they still hold up eight years after the game launched, but how do they compare with the new Dying Light 2 zombies?
Intro 0:00
How Realistic Are They? 0:20
How Do They Behave? 2:25
Gore System Comparison 4:03
How Random Are Zombie Encounters? 5:27
Zombie Variants Comparison 6:38
Conclusion 8:22
Outro 10:01
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I feel bad for criticizing Techland, but how can they honestly look at this comparison and be happy with DL2?
Edit: The zombies have had a massive upgrade since this video was made, I'd like to think that they changed them after seeing this video lol
So true I %100 agree
@@muaxh03 Glad I'm not alone
I dont get why they had to change everything it was all perfect.
why would you feel bad, its a 60$ product, you're free to criticize
I honestly like the old ones way way more, it’s sad that the physics and lots of more things aren’t in dl2…but I’m aware of the fact that techland will surely bring some of the most loved old features of dl1, there are gonna be lots of more updates, it will definitely change in the future.
DL1 just had seemless physics with the zombies. They felt like real objects that you could manipulate. I loved kicking their legs out and just torturing them when they tried to climb.
It felt fun to go around and kill hordes on zombies in DL1, slashing their limbs of and knocking them away with blunt weapons, but it DL2 I almost never went out of my way to kill random zombies. Every encounter with them felt the same and as I played through DL2 it just made me want to replay DL1 for a better experience (and story)
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They were good sources for resources.
My favorite thing to do by far was sending zombies flying with the jumping kick
@@GiegueX and wacthing their bodies fly and shatter to a million pieces 😹
I miss the leg break attack in DL1. I loved having a warehouse full of zombies that couldn’t walk because I’d broken all of their ankles.
You can break the legs of the zombies in DL2, it's very hard to do but you can, they have the broken arms animation too (It show mostly when the npc fight against them) I don't know why the developers don't make this stuff more accesible.
least sociopathic dying light player
The skills in dl2 are so inferior to the skills in dl1.
@@bruhman5829 But war crimes are fun...
...against the undead 😀
Pootis
the ankle goblin strikes again
One thing that they have massivly downgraded aswell are the Virals. They just look like faster biters. In DL1 they looked much more like humans than in DL2. They would even cry or beg you to stop when you hit them. But yes, they made a huge stepback with DL2. The overall art design is unfitting for a Dying Light. Its too goofy and lighthearted.
The ai of dl2 virals is just not good enough for its environment, it's too easy to cheese them
@@patcheslapp660 and the constant leaping gets annoying after the thousandth time
Fr man, in dying light a friend got scared by a viral thinking that it was me
On the topic of goofy, who still plays back 4 blood. That shit was kinda weird cause its scary but then it has a goofy art style
@@sai_lg1070 the game is dead. Like legit, the devs gave up on it. Expectedly so, if it wasn't clear turtle rock are a bad game studio before (ahem, evolve), now B4B is yet another testament to what high ambition and low commitment does to a game. They added so much crap without actually building on the game they supposedly made almost 15 years ago.
One of the most unsettling things I witnessed in dying light 1, was during nightmare mode at night, during a storm. I had just escaped pursuit by three of the volatiles (one was an alpha) I was hiding in a pharmacy with very little health and waiting to get more from my medkits. This random biter comes to the door of the building, straight up stands there staring at me, and WAVES at me, before walking away. The sheer terror on my spine was unnerving, and even after getting to the safe zone, I didn't feel safe, I felt... Watched, eeesh, I love dying light so much
@vyssang2669 *fren found* hey I'm glad there's so much variety in interaction
Blue, not alpha. Blue volatile, blue beast of Harran.
Why does this sound like a creepypasta? "It waved at me and my heart was beating fast" lmao
Mine too lmao during night time and thunderstorms. You can't fool those volatiles with firecrackers. I used to hide from them on the bus, or in the store. I just turn my flashlight off and I'm completely lost to their sight. I just avoid hiding in higher ground since they can climb and can check rooftops if they are not in persuit but Virals is the most annoying infected I encounter. I always feel the dread when they scream and chase you after and I'm more afraid of them than the volatiles.
Imagine you witness a buggy interaction with a zombie and lose your mind. If the biter doesn't fight back, that's easy points for you. Are you the hunter or them ?
Don't forget, the dead infected in DL1 eventually get flies buzzing around them...awesome detail! Not sure if DL2 does this as well
Yea I havnt seen any in dl2
Okay... I'm not downloading DL2 unless they fix this. Finished DL1 a while ago and was thinking of downloading DL2. If the zombies aren't realistic what's the point of downloading it then?!
@@DumbassSpanker the Arcady gameplay? I refuse to play DL2 cuz it’s not my type of game, but to say there isn’t any reason to play it is just not true
@@Prizm17 I respect your choice. The biggest issue is, my pc can't handle it lol.
Grapes are sour. If you know, you know
@@DumbassSpanker agreed they hyped it up and it flopped big time it did a full on cyberpunk they are fixing it however the damage has already been done at this point in my
Opinion they should scrap it and remake it using the dying light 1 zombies and changing there skin to fit the dying light 2 map they need to add more verity of human enemies since they all look the same like in dying light 1 all the zombies looked the same but they had differences and etc that fit in that map making them feel different and they were actually better ai as well biggest disappointment is the zombie combat they tried to balance it out but they tipped to much on human to human combat that if feels wired on zombies the parkour is a improvement but it feels like your character floats a lot that it doesnt seem realistic parkour like how I’m dying light 1 you do a jump and it’s a normal sized jump but I’m dying light 2 you just don’t feel like it’s real parkour yea sure I’m dying light 2 your character is …special but that doesn’t mean that his parkour should be any different
My favorite part about the OG zombies it’s that they show how desperate they are to kill you that they are willing to fall off the roof of a building and die even though you are on top of of a completely different building across from them
id say its not even desperation, but the insinuation that these are not humans anymore. Just lobotimised, rotting corpses
They are not willing to die. But if they are on a roof and they see you down in the streets, they just walk towards you. They have no concept. They just react.
That's why once I stood under a bridge. And they saw me beneath and started falling down to get to me. 🤣
@@mr.2cents.846 when I mean willing to die, I understand that they aren’t human anymore, and therefore do not have any worries of hurting themselves or have any knowledge of death I just mean that they are more desperate enough to eat humans that they are willing to go at any length just to get the slightest chance of biting you like an a predator vs prey kind of way
@@ockerdebokx3369 oh yeah, I meant more in a predator kind of way except without the basic instinct of having a strategy or planning ahead
Its not desperation, its them being dumb as rocks, smarter infected types don't do that
I feel like the dismemberment, physics, and skeleton features being worse in the sequel is an especially glaring problem, considering the sequel's creative decision to remove basically all guns from the game to REALLY put melee in the forefront.
It's sad that they have to implement things and features from Dying Light just to bring it clean set to the original.
It feels like modern devs are unhealthily obsessed with scale. Everything has to be BIG, maps need to be 50 square kilometers with hundreds of outposts to secure and thousands of collectibles! Player needs to ne able to climb 500 feet skyscrapers and zoom across the entire map in a wingsuit!
Its everywhere. Even my fav game of the year Elden Ring suffered from an oversize problem. Game worlds are becoming less detailed, with vastly reduced emergent gameplay and complexity, all in favor of making collosal empty worlds.
I dislike the absolutely cartoonish geysers of blood that spray everywhere in DL2. Just one of the things that adds to my belief that the atmosphere of the sequel isn’t in the same dimension as the original
huh now that you mention it it does seem like the zombies were built for more guns rather than less
Listen in dying light if you used a gun you would also need to fight virals (unless you used the subsonic one but that shit takes a special ammo) so it's a give and take and even then the guns were somewhat not needed, like you dont want to use guns then don't, I only use my orange shotguns against demolishers because I hate fighting them, also "everyone looted the guns"? Really REALLY I didn't realize that they only had hundred guns in harran much less the fucking world also If the virus was contained beforehand and GRE was disgraced and all that Then WHY WAS IT ALLOWED TO CONTINUE HUH
I really like how the zombies will do stuff on their own too without much player interaction. Like, they’ll autonomously do things like climb on cars and furniture, fall over fences, walk up and down stairs, group up into hordes, etc. It feels like they are actual creatures that exist in the world… I’d say that another game where they did zombies well in this manner would be Project Zomboid (which, if ya haven’t played you should definitely check out).
Zomboid is amazing
Zombies is good and yes it feels like an actual zombies apocalypse
Project Zomboid is a boring game since the combat is terrible with no special infected and no way goal to go for.
@@sud1881 it's a fun game without story i'm afraid, that's why its terible for some people.
@@sud1881 it is a great game. it does not need another type of zombie. they have mastered making slow zombies difficult.
You are absolutely not being too harsh on DL2. It makes me so sad when I compare it to DL1.
It's almost as if it was made by a different dev
What? Dl2 is a good game. I've played dying light for longer but right now I find dying light 2 to be way better than dl1.
@@SilentKnightJL compared to the first one it's a joke, apart from the parkour, but it still feels off with how floaty it is,but overall it's a good game not better than the first one tho.
@@ramiasaad5386 I see your point but too me I love dying light 2 combat compared to dying light where you have less moves and fighting humans is a pain. I love both games. I guess it's just our opinions though. Also can someone tell RUclips to not give me this notification 2 weeks later.
@@80skidgrownup00 Well it was pretty much, most of the original team that made Dying Light left Techland.
I think about this, there must have been a small number of devs who did some superb work on the Ai of the DL1 zombies, and they weren't around for DL2. Zombies in DL2 make me feel like i'm playing a video game constantly, while the old zombies acted predictably but that's actually a compliment. They were very sensical in how they moved and why they moved. DL2 zombies are programmed. DL1 zombies *are infected.*
it's the
*Cum virus*
You ate right. They are not the same people. Not the same imagination.
I don' t agree completly agree, honestly Virals seem much better to me in DL2
Didn't Techland lose a lot of key talent between the original and DL2? It would probably explain a lot of these downgrades
@@theillusiveman2139 i find them to be pretty meh compared to the old ones, i kinda liked seeing the vestiges of the human desperately fighting for control begging for mercy before snapping back into a violent haze, especially the lore about how the virals tricked first responders by their incoherent cries for help or random babbling causing them to break open an apartment building filled of them. Kinda gives you the feeling of "we are dwindling and we just lost another one."
The lack of ragdolls also kills the feel. Like in your rooftop example, the DL1 zombies fall with a realistic sense of momentum and weight as soon as one of their feet tries to step on air, whereas even after you kick the DL2 zombies over the edge they do the Wile E. Coyote bit, where they’re standing in midair for a second and then fall straight down
Fun fact: Zombies' strength in Dying Light 1 increase as you progress through the game. You can see the zombie you saw in the beginning has been replaced by the stronger and worse looking zombie
I was actually wondering about this
After doing a certain mission in the old city my 1000+ damage weapons didn't one hit decapitate regular zombies anymore, now it takes like 4 hits to the noggin!
Kinda bullshit, but I guess I have to deal with it, makes mowing down hordes of zombies alot harder however....
@@goldgamer6796 Yes. It's kinda frustrating. Although the zombies are getting more difficult to kill, there's still some weapon that is enough to kill the zombies with 1 hit which I have forgotten the name. Also, once you reached Legend Level 250, you will also deal tons of damage
Uh, yeah? Lmfao like every game does this, DL2 included
@@ruskifoxrf9167 It's not the same. You can see the model of the zombie when you started the game starts to disappear as you progress until the end of the story. Unlike many games, it only levels up, reduce the spawn rate of weak zombie and increase the rate of stronger zombie or stronger variant or just increase the amount of zombies like Dead Rising 3
@@ruskifoxrf9167 No not every game, stop the cap
What I missed most were the 'world changing' moments.
In DL1, there was a spot where a goon would break through a wall (an encounter, not the story one), permanently leaving a gaping hole in the building and reminding you of it every time you see the building.
DL2 claims to change the world, but I can't think of one thing like I mentioned about DL1, the zombies never affect the world.
the last gen console's cpu probably won't be able to handle it
@M.Grey I think them trying to get dl2 to work with both gens is what made the game hurt the most for its design. Dl1 was released specifically for ps4 and Xbox at that time, whereas dl2 wants to include everygen, AND still be new hardware
@@asukifolxfer7375 the consequences of double dipping, same with callisto protocol which was forced to be a corridor brawler with horrible enemy textures.
They had hired Chris Avellone as the narrative director (and if you love the Fallout series, you have him to thank). But then sexual misconduct allegations surfaced in 2020 and Techland cut all ties with him. This all happened after they released that E3 gameplay trailer with the van chase back in 2018/2019. We were stoked to see that the world could change according to what we choose in certain quests but then I think Techland had to rush DL2 after the Chris Avellone fiasco (thereby reducing any meaningful narrative choice).
@@Dan-cm1tb I recently heard somewhere these allegations were all made up.
your right about the "Animated feel" of DL2. There's been a lot of proof and criticizem that DL2 just takes you out of the moment when you climb a ledge while running away or encounter a zombie that doesn't have the ragdoll effects the DL1 had. I just with that they could do a literal copy and paste in terms of the physics of DL1 to DL2.
the best detail IMO can be found on the runner zombies, every once in a while you can see that they are struggling with their humanity (or whats left of it) before they turn back to infected and attack you indicating that they have just recently been turned into infected after not taking antizin for extended period of time
The zombies in dying light felt like normal people who became walking deads, they get a big variet of models and seem to have a meaningful relationship with the world they live in. In the second game, it feels like the zombies are generic ghouls and are there just to be killed off, or to delay you gettin from point A to point B.
This. You know what dying light 2 feels more of a parkour simulator rather than a zombie-killing game. TBH I don't even find it interesting to kill zombies in this game.
All i can say is: well said dude. Im completely on your side in this. love the OG zombies much more than in DL 2.
u on the wrong side of the hood my nig
04:00 clears so much up for me. I just instinctively try to hit arms and legs in Dying Light 2 to immobilize zombies but it doesn’t work. And at some point i just thought i was imagining a game mechanic. Now this just makes sense because i remember doing it in the OG Dying Light.
That’s something that NEEDS to be in every Dying Light game, chopping off specific limbs was very fun lol.
i was playing with my friend for the first time, i almost cried, i almost stopped playing, a lot of things are wrong here, floaty jumping and stupid combat jank that looks awful solo but god awful in co op 🤮
@@sofakingonmynuts1438 waaaa waaaa
It's changed to be like that now sense the "gut feeling" update.
I love how smooth animations chain together in dying light 1, made the zombies feel like they were actually doing stuff instead of just following lines of code and standing in one spot.
Something I really didn't like about the human interactions is if you knock one of them down and you hit them whilst their down they magically get up instantly without a actual animation
half the game is like that
Hey that's a feature! 😂
For reals though, some of the decisions made were absolutely mind boggling. Like who thought instant get up renegades or instant dodge virals was a good idea?
I'm using Reshade and a weather overhaul mod w/ DL1 and that is it.. game is freaking gorgeous. I love finding things like the 'Thank you for 7 years' banner on the tower... or the George Romero graffitti tribute.. these devs are the best
What I find WILD is how Techland already had lots of zombie models in the 2020 build of the game that can be seen in this famous 25 minutes demo and while they weren't as good as the OG ones they were miles better than the current ones and seemed to interact much better with the world lightning. I really don't get it why did they rework all NPC models and most of the animations between 2020 and 2022. Some of them look more detailed now but I don't think it was worth the effort tbh. It feels like they decided to completely change the artstyle in the middle of the development which is mind boggling to me. After over a year from premiere of DL2 I just believe that something went horribly wrong during the making fo this game. I have heard from some people who had an insight into DL2 development that they were really surprised that the game came out somewhat playable in 2022. If they will ever make DL3 I hope they will stick to the DL1 as close as possible. I supported most of the gameplay changes in the DL2 before the release but now it's pretty clear that most of them were a mistake.
Yeah, people left and other stuff happened with folks who helped in the designs and stories so it fell apart and this is what they could piece together.
well, chris avellone has been accused of rape and that caused techland (i dont know why they did that, and for whatever reason just instantly believing lies) to erase all story and everything related to him in that game. that is the reason why this game sucks. IT would be much better with him
It definitely shows where they went wrong, where they skimped out and where they were pretty much clueless as to why DL1 was held in such high regards.
I love it when the zombies with a weapon. If they cannot reach you for awhile with the weapon, they'll just chuck it at you. NOT ONLY THAT, it sometimes just completely misses you.
I miss being scared from a Volatile chase at night in Dying Light 2, in DL1 it was heart-pounding action until you arrived back at base or in a safe zone somewhere.
I think that the bald infected design in Dl1 is far better than the zombies we got in Dl2
I feel like the behaviour of the biters and infected in general was downgraded as well. I sometimes just followed biters around in DL1 to see what they were up to and they all had rather unique behaviour. The way they would look at the sun or follow your flashlight or even raise their hands like they want to greet you, as if their humanity is shining through the infection for one short moment.
One thing I rarely hear mentioned is how the normal zombies in DL1 are attracted to the flashlight at night, I don't mean that they can see when you have it on and are drawn to you, I mean you can post up somewhere and literally lure them off rooftops or away from doorways/ chests with it. Useful cause the volatiles can't see the normal flashlight.
I started playing DL1 because of the Epic giveaway a week ago, and I just noticed that the plumbers (and maybe some other infected) swing the weapon at the air if you light the flashlight at them at night. It's a very interesting detail. Didn't know you can lure them with it, I'm going to try it now.
@@ldcnu same, epic games is amazing
I really appreciate the fact that you've always had the integrity to keep your evaluation of these games consistent and honest, its been very helpful. I've been a huge fan of Dying Light for years, but I haven't made the leap over to DL 2 because of all the issues that still seem to plague the game. I've considered buying the game a few times recently since I've got an Xbox series S now, but it seems like the game still has some serious issues no matter which platform it's being played on. I think there might be something missing on a fundamental level that can't be patched out or "fixed," it's hard to say exactly what that might be. I'm looking forward to Dead Island 2 honestly, that looks like it has the potential to be a truly amazing experience.
Dead Island 2 could be what DL2 should have been, it already looks more like Dying Light graphically albeit a bit brighter
@@80skidgrownup00 Yeah, I guess we'll find out soon enough. I saw a video with the devs talking about the mutilation system they're implementing and it looks awesome. Your attacks will cause specific damage based on the type of weapon you're using and there are also different visuals for each level of damage you inflict upon the zombies. It seems to start off with superficial damage in some cases with your weapon cutting through clothes and outer flesh, but the more you attack, the more you end up tearing into a zombie's body and getting beyond the bones and into his guts etc. I'm not sure if I explained it properly, but it definitely looks super cool. The weapon variety is looking good as well and we'll have access to guns which is a plus in my book. The visuals look pretty good to me from what I've seen so far, but it's hard to say what the overall style will mean for the experience. They're not going to have to worry as much about the sort of direct comparisons that naturally arose between DL1 and DL2, so that makes things a little easier for them in terms of criticism I guess. All in all I'd say that Dead Island 2 looks very promising, but we'll just have to wait and see to know for sure.
@@80skidgrownup00 played Dead Island 2. It did Dying Light 1 more justice than DL2 did, and it’s not even a fucking dying light game. So infuriating.
I think adding HP bar to zombies sort of ruins the whole structure of them , when there is no hp bar present they can instead make the player aim for specific body parts instead of just mashing the attack button
One thing I'd like to add to the realism of the dl1 zombies, is that sometimes they speak, saying things like help me, don't, or please no, giving them that sliver of humanity that's still in them. A sad and tragic detail about the world of dl1 but then I feel that krane has learned that it's a kill or be killed kind of world, where if you aren't helping others, you were constantly fighting for your life, or taking others. *Note, I haven't finished playing dl1 I got it a while ago in switch, and Im just getting to old town. If I made a mistake about kranes character or other small details, please feel free to correct me or let me know
I think the 2nd game really departed from the zombie love letter idea. Despite the story, the biggest strength of Dying Light is its seamless blending of all these legendary zombie variants into one place. There’s a George Romero mural in the Slums. The environment itself was considered to provide fuel for set pieces that were intended to be love letters to different parts of zombie media. Like how at one point in the slums you can find the bus from 28 days later full of fresh virals. It’s a random and tense encounter you can stumble upon and if you know you know.
The second game seemed to abandon this part of the game. The filled the world with just purely the middling story. Without that secondary goal of paying homage to their roots there was less motivation to build out the world. You’d think they’d focus on story but they gutted all the story last minute.
I'm actually somewhat happy about the new looks. Remember this. Dl2 is 10 years after the outbreak, not a month. The skin for example of the volatile shows a evolution track of the volatile. The normal volatile from the first had minor and thin gray skin. The alpha or evolved volatile developed more gray skin and thicker/harder skin to protect it. It's makes perfect sense 10 years later, a volatile would be incased in this natural armor. Things like the goons stop looking human the more the virus has gone rampant as it had more time to evolve. The biters are going to look decayed because they roamed the streets for a very long time in the elements. Etc. Etc.
Underrated video right here, I agree with absolutely everything, from zombie placements feeling static to the zombies not reacting to the player as well as dl1. I hope this is all fixed in the brutality update on april 20th.
This video is perfect, just last night I decided to go back to playing the first Dying Light game, I haven't played that game since beating it back then in 2016. The zombies in that game were more menacing and realistic looking, especially in their behavior. Passion in creativity really needs to make a hard comeback.
I just don't know why TL didn't stick with DL1 and continue to expand that world with new DLCs that introduced new areas (like The Following) and zombies. DL is a near perfect template. They should have done more with the online side of things, as well.
Exactly!!!!! That wouldve made way more sense
I think the different art direction is due to one simple fact - it's 10 years after the 1st game. To anyone thinking logically - zombies aren't going to look the same after 10 years.
So I think Techland felt they needed to change them a bit - make them less human, like they have been decaying.
But sometimes it's fine to swap logic for art direction.
Tech land needs this video for DL3
Dying light 1 was truely ahead of its time in 2015,the devs really put alot of passion into the parkour,combat and zombies which u rarely see these days
I think there were some improvements, the very low variety of sound effects and outfits with ketchup blood made them seem seem somewhat corny instead of suffering people which was improved in 2. And they removed the stupid size 300 clothes on the big zombies. Plus their eyes reflecting light is a great touch.
The less human looking zombies does kinda make sense because dying light 2
takes place 15 years after the first so the zombies could have mutated more and in-turn look less human
That's honestly what I was thinking too
I said that to myself too, but in the end the Dying Light 1 zombies still are and look better
They look like that BC of UV, it fucks em up
People can turn recently and they look the same
@@kagemaser1406 They don't lol, their models stay human
Great video, you nailed it. Dying Light 1 is one of my favorite games of all time
Great to see a new video mate
The physics and ragdolls were the nucleus of what made the zombies and the combat feel so alive. Idk wtf Techland was thinking in making them animation locked
Love your vids man keep it up
Thanks mate
Subbed for this video. Very honest and direct comparison and criticism. Really makes you wonder what happened in between games.
I think after the success of dying light 1, they didn't know whether to focus their budget on a game that was primarily story or combat focused so they spread themselves too thin and ultimately had to downgrade dying light 2 to a version includes as many new features as possible that ultimately it became a glorified checklist of a game like most Ubisoft titles.
Hi. I was a Technical Animator on the first game and the 2nd game (Rev1 we called it internally before the Rev2 "reboot" and my departure). Ignore my username, my son is big fan of South Park.
I love many of the points you raised here, they're points many staff would raise to various other discipline, but sadly nothing would ever come from it. We had a relatively smooth-ish dev cycle on DL1 but sadly Part 2 was the complete opposite. We suffered from 2 internal reboots (one of which was due to outside-studio politics with a writer) and the 2nd was due to pressures to ship. A LOT of content had to be cut, optimizations were skipped over and there was many "shortcuts" and "smoke and mirror" methods applied to the core systems, which me, as a Technology team member, really frankly pissed me off. A lot of the stuff we had from Rev1 is only just making its way into public branch (things like animation systems, visual nuances and character design). I think this game, had we been given another year or two, could've been a true fan favourite and live up to that first game we made.
It was a stressful project was Part 2, more-so than most. I am very proud how team came together and made it as best they could with what resources and support they had, inside and out. I hope future entry take note on Part 2 development and don't suffer another terrible launch in my view. stay safe all. widzenia
I think that giving zombies a new texture would help their look a little bit to better match what they were going for
Well, you can see how cartoonist the menu layout is... Still love the Dying Light 1
You’re right the zombies in DL2 look like zombies from Telltales’s The Walking Dead game art style. Without the black cartoon lines.
Well said and good video mate. You hit the nail on the head and pretyy much aaaaalll the same points work for everything else in the game. World detail. Atmosphere. NPCs. The story
Personally I'd disagree with how you feel about the art style. Though it's not as realistic as the first I like how stylized it is. The hand drawn look you described is what I really like about it. Also I like the Goon more in DL2, as to me it's a more unique design.
To each their own though, you raised a lot of valid points. The physics of the zombies (or lack there of) is something I also hope gets improved. I really miss how realistic the zombies acted in the first game, here's hoping Techland continues to fix it.
Art style is not bad But u can’t say the volatile from DL1 isn’t better looking and 1000x more menacing than the second one without lying,
@@madgamingyo Yeah this isn't a very good way to describe this man. And it's everybody's to have an opinion even if you don't agree with it. Some people just enjoy things more than others. Just because you didn't enjoy dl2 doesn't mean it's a bad game, it's subjective. To you it may be a bad game, but that doesn't mean it is and it doesn't mean that just because you didn't enjoy it others can't.
dl1 and 2 have their pros and cons, but both are amazing
You said all there is to say honestly great job 👏
Well said about day 1 dying light getting it right. I remember playing this on the base ps4 when it first came out and was amazed at how amazing it looked and felt
Yeah the fact that old devs switched with new devs made the game significantly different.
This Video sums it up very good in detail how the zombies are different compared.
Dl1 just had a full immersive, fully interactive physics system, model, interactive ragdoll and a very good operative AI responding and making own decisions non scripted.
There is room for improvement in dl2 but you hit the hammer on top of the nail with the video. I suggest the devs make the ai more advanced, add more gore (they are it’s on roadmap), make the ragdoll a bit more interactive
I think that the virals being less human makes sense seeing as more time has passed so the virals that remain in a balance of sunlight and none stay virals but still go through the necroses process
Virals were recently turned runners. So nobody recently turned in DL2? That's a weak argument
@@MegaMerdeux it depends on your exposure to uv lights if you were to be able to balance it in and out you could technically maintain being a runner
@@Eric-wn8wx excuses, virals only really apply to newly turned survivors. There's a phase to everything
@@MegaMerdeux not in dl2, seems someone isn't informed on the lore.
In dl2 virals are rarely fresh, they are usually old infected that haven't been weakened by UV over the years, biters have been under the sun for too long and the virus is weak. While virals have seeked shelter every day and the virus prospered in them, virals eventually turn into volatiles (you can see this by older virals having gray skin, little body fat and more muscular physique than biters and fresh virals), unless something causes them to mutate into something else before they complete their volatile transformation. Thats why screamers and demolishers have a split jaw like a volatile, they were viral transforming into a volatile but the virus mutated to take a different path
Edit: Virus in dl2 is different from the original, same base, improved and changed by the GRE. So method how infected form and mutate is different. In darkness a infected never becomes a biter but goes from viral to volatile, unless it derails into anything else depending on the environment and mutations. While in dl1 they became biters 100% unless mutated. Volatiles were made in nests instead of turning into one over the years. UV also prevents a person from turning unlike with the original variant. Few minutes of darkness turns a normal person so UV lights aren't only to keep you safe from infected but to keep you human. Tho you already knew this i assume, literally said early game when Aiden gets bitten by a volatile
Dying light 2 has so much comix cartoony art style , dl 2 zombies doesnt look like evil creatures like in dl 1 and not creepy as dl 1 , dl 2 misses so much interesting from dl 1 , its a shame how sequel turned out
Such a shame
Beacuse they were humans, not evil forces of hell.
@@Panowiec They were , but not anymore, and thanks for being genius, really needed that
I just think DL 1 had ugly biters
@@Paranoia_APEX lol
Honestly best video I've seen on this
Even though I’m a little late to this video I just want to say that the comparisons you made really showed how well the zombies were done in the first compared to the second. I really hope that sometime into the future techland decide to reimplement certain aspects of the zombies, things such as the stumbling over small objects and the face planting onto the floor whilst trying to get off a car to the zombies trying to grab at you when you are above them. These little things really enhance the player’s experience, and it’s extremely noticeable when they are either done badly or are gone entirely.
DL2 was a heartbreaker
Techland spent so many years with the community on dying light 1 and believe they will do so with Dying light 2. Listening to constructive criticism and to things the community wants!
The zombies aren’t really a problem as much as they are in the first DL, they used to be beefy af. Since they have health bars now I don’t get that feeling of “Can I fight this horde guarding the police van or not.” It just took the things I missed from the original cuz most of my deaths haven’t been from any type of zombie just fall damage.
Dying Light 2 E3 trailer feels like a game we never got, had so much potential.
In the zombie comparison section of this video you forgot (in my opinion) the second best and creepiest zombie. The bomber. The sounds he makes and his model with all his insides hanging out is terrifying. In dl2 the sounds are gone and instead of gore he just explodes into.. light?
Thanks for reminding me why I didn't buy the sequel yet! It's ironic that it was the marketing for DL2 that made me aware of the series, and prompted me to get DL1.
Playing the game right now and only just realised that the blood on your weapon under the appropriate lighting reflects the environment.
Man this is really one of the best videos, I have seen, it just feels so, sad when I see dying light 2, comepared to Dying light.
DL1 felt alive and 3d as a whole game, it was a pleasure to explore amd do missions. DL2 felt 1 dimensional. I liked the map it was definitely a good map to run around and the story was pretty fun to bit there's just somthing missing. I did have fun in DL2 but it wasn't warm and cozy like the first one
We'll, i like the weather thingy in dl2 as it is more colourfull and safe to say, that's the only thing i like about dl2 as it is a Parkour game with zombies while dl1 was a zombie game with parkour
Warm and cozy😂
This video perfectly illustrates most of the problems I have with DL2. Along with most of the map feeling like it was just copy-pasted.
In DL1, each of the three world maps were cut up into sections that all looked distinct from each other, while nothing ever feeling out of place. I could figure out where I was by just taking a quick look around at local landmarks.
In DL2, I constantly have to look at my map lost since eveywhere looks exactly the same and it was really easy to get turned around and start heading the wrong way if I didn't place a map marker wherever I was going.
DL2 feels like it was cobbled together on a shoestring budget, and they kept finding corners to cut to save as much money as they could.
Definitely feel the same. World building is essential to any elite franchise. Gutting the environment and going insanely cheap on its assets shows Techland did not put the same love and care that existed in DL1.
Where's the firestations, the police stations, hospitals, schools, malls, etc you know, stuff that should exist in Villedor and Central Loop but is either completely absent or exist as a mom and pop sized version only.
You nailed everything in this. I hope they watch this video.
Your points are great! hope Techland hears you out
I think the biggest issue with their art style was actually in their setting choice. For zombies in a desolate city 20 years after the apocalypse, they look fine. However, they aren't interesting. They probably should've kept the sequel either known harran, or another specific, themed location. It's much easier to design interesting enemies when you have a specific look for an area, vs everything is just buildings and chemicals.
The first thing they should have done is not time skipping 20 years. They should have followed it after 1 or two years where the virus breakout is at peak and everything is in chaos.
I agree with you 100% Great video by the way. The new roadmap is looking good, but like you said, the original DL1 physics need to come back. It has gotten better, but still along way to go to be at the first games level........
Thanks, nice to see you here again 👍
Another cool thing I saw in Dying Light is that some zombies that spawn near toxic waste become greenish and have flies around them.Also the coolest detail I saw was that zombies can actually die to road spikes that can be found on the overpass in the Slums!Those really saved me a lot of trouble
thank you for this video it summed up all my thoughts on DL2 exactly if felt really weird coming back to the game a few months after me and 2 of my friends played DL1 and the following and the DLCs again all the way through and that game just felt so alive like I remember so many areas and little stories and stuff that was just told with the environment and those minute details really add up to the experience I can vividly remember most locations and a ton of times where me and my friends just went to town on zombies blasting away I thought DL2 would be just a story expansion on DL1 but oh boy was I surprised, no to say it isn't fun but definitely not as fun and alive as DL1 those zombies were something else I tell you the dismemberment and little things are perfect we even bought DL1 but DL2 just wasn't worth the gamble I looking at it Dl1 was such a good game I knew we were getting a lot of stuff for our money DL2 should of been a reskin with extra content and a different story except for a whole visual overhaul with all the elements like animations and everything.
Definitely review this game later in the year as it's gonna receive many changes. They're going to update the gore and physics, along with parkour flow changes, and improves night time experiences
God let's hope so.
@@Ainavol_sans You must not been keeping up huh?
Do you happen to now when they will change it because I don't follow them
@@theschredder0009 they changed it
They could just, yknow, copy the code from the original game and just import it into DL2... That would solve the whole not falling stuff and the gore mechanics
unfortunately its not that easy, for some goddaam reason techland made a new engine from dl2 (e3 used dl1 engine btw) which means the old physics system cant just be imported, they would need to basically rewrite a big part of the engine to make it work.
Damn that sucks
@Snakecof true, but as long as the coding language is the same, all they'd need to do is tweak it to work with the current engine. Most of the variables should be the same if not very similar.
Plus programmers have their own way of coding, a bit like how everyone's got a different finger print, so the new engine would most likely follow the same logic as the previous
Different engines
This is so true, guess I'll wait next year to see if I don't get bored an hour in again
5k so far thumbs up. Hope Techland sees and understands this. I wish they could throw the community some votes so the masses can help mold this into a real dying light game
Honestly DL1 was just more fun. Better environments, encounters, weapons(guns), just felt more interesting to play through. I still have fun with DL2, but it almost feels like it should have been the first in the series with how much it lags behind DL1.
I also feel like human models don't look right either. A lot of people look like harper got hit with a bat or his facial features were moved around slightly
Lol
Nope, DL2 human models are really good.
The first game felt 'buggy' at first because zombies were falling over on tiny ledges, but then as you got used to it, it became part of the game, hysterical, part of the charm. You started to realize the physics engine, and the biters ragdolling all over the place, was an amazing part of the game, especially when the runners/climbers/jumpers show up out of nowhere and put the fear of god in you.
They made a Ubisoft map and went the AC route
- Great video by the way! Very thorough breakdown.
It's weird. I published a very simple 2D game and am already working on a new one. I already am trying to work on stuff that looks and plays a lot better than the first. So I don't get why sequels have a habit of just being inferior to the first. It might just be that some of the original guys who worked on the physics system just left, and the newer devs weren't able to replicate it.
I mean they often don't live up to the originals, but to change the way the game looks is the worst kind of mistake
@@80skidgrownup00 I think they must have switched out a huge chunk of the dev team. You'd be surprised, because it's usually one guy handling art design, one guy handling physics, etc., so even just replacing one guy makes a massive change.
I remember some zombies in the first game would once in a while stand still, not attack and wave at you for a few seconds. That was such a cool and creepy detail, to know that there is a tiny piece of humanity left inside those walking bags of meat
Or the humanity has been screaming trapped inside the mind and that was one action they were able to do so for a spilt second to try and show that they are still there trapped. Which as a variation of rabies...might be a thing?
Like hitting those runners they're begging you to stay away but they'll lose it and start mindlessly attack you again
10/10 video, agreed with every point you made. Immediate sub.
Just redownloaded this. Soon as I started I had somebody join my game and drop me hella weapons . The dying light community is 🔥
Everybody keeps forgetting that dl2 is literly 15 years later, of course the zombies are gonna look worse that's a lot of time for people to get infected, turn, and the body to decompose. Zombies decompose, you can see veins in the dl1 zombies and bruises cause they got attacked and turned recently. The wounds still look fresh cause they turned maybe less than a week before you saw the zombies. Why does everyone seem to not keep that in mind?
Honestly, I think they could've looked more decomposed. I don't mind their less human looks, but I really do miss the more organic and desperate feeling movement of the zombies from the first game
@@ARStudios2000 true, I get that. In the first game they did seem more desperate to attack you. Also idk if it's just me but it seems like they would grab you and pull you in to attack more often then they do in dl2
Another skipped comment by this automatic heart-giving youtuber. Interesting
@@Intimatycal The heart giving isn't automatic lol I'm just tired of hearing this same reasoning over and over. I know Techland came up with this silly lore for DL2, but there's no way all of the zombies would have survived 15 years. Also where are all of the newly turned? And anyway, my issue is more about how they drastically changed the art style from the original, which is crazy to me
This guy keeps forgetting that thses infected are 15 years later, no shit most are skeleton like 💀
I'm not forgetting that, of course their appearance would have changed. However they could have conveyed it in a more realistic way. It isn't just the zombies that look bad, the whole art style is nothing like the original and for that reason feels like a different game entirely.
Random Zombie dancing made me laugh so much
Just found your channel. I agree 100%. After playing 100+ hours in DL2, I couldn't deal with it anymore and gave up on it and unistalled it. I'll stick with the OG. Thank you for a great video.
The art style is down to personal preference, I really don't mind how they look in DL2. Only issue I have with the art design is the Virals. It's quickly established that virals are newly infected who still have greater control over their motor functions, and that they slow down over time and become Biters. In DL1 you can see that, Virals look fresher, their wounds and blood are a brighter red compared to the darker dried-out looking biters, they even stop and cower sometimes when hit as if there's still some shred of humanity left. In DL2 they're identical to the biters in appearance.
But the physics of the game, and infected behaviour is a far bigger issue. The zombies looking up at you, or swiping at the air when you were out of reach was such a small detail that did so much for the atmosphere. Zombie behavior in DL2 feels so scripted, biters always launch into the same grab attack, interupting whatever you're doing, virals do the same leaping attack with bullshit tracking, so you'll be watching the same small pool of animations over and over again. It's a real shame, because there's some great improvements to combat in DL2 that are overshadowed by bad design.
I love the lore behind dying light and although I have not played DL2 ik that vitals in the first game will use team tactics.for example if the player is being swarmed with biters the virals will hide behind them till they have an opening. It was such a good game.
You find me completely agreeing with you. I played this game in end 2022/ beginning 2023 and it felt amazing. And the realism of the zombies was a great contribute to that feel
not to mention, its quite weird how both biters and virals still get destroyed by ur flashlight even when they're out on the sun, it doesnt give you much of a challenge and bores you after a while
Dying light 2 released their trailer for their “Gut feeling” update. I gotta say, it looks pretty damn good!
great video, really shows why OG Dying Light is a gem of a zombie game
My biggest issue with DL2 is definitely the physics of it all. Just like you pointed out with zombies in DL2 basically being immune to falling, the first time I played DL I was so impressed when a zombie would just wander off a ledge, or stumble over a small curb, and then my first time on DL2 I was on a roof and it took so much effort to knock a zombie down off that ledge, and when I did, their body would fall a few feet before they would ragdoll, and it just looked so bad and half baked, literally made me reinstall and just start playing DL1 again.
They’ve announced that features like that will be coming to the game. A couple are scheduled to come out next year