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Even as a pathologist, which is supposed to be the most laid back subspecialty, I still work a minimum of 60 hours per week. I have no life, no hobbies, no friends, no time. Life is all work. The 60 hours also does not include weekend call, which is far lighter than most specialties, but neurosurgeons do call you in most weekends even at crazy hours to do frozen sections. As most pathologists are hospital employees we don't actually get paid for our call coverage. It kind of sucks tbh. edit: and also, you have to be perfect, you can't make a mistake or else someone gets the wrong treatment. High stress and no work life balance
You know in India it's even worse unfortunately 💔 Resident doctors are treated as slaves here and it's on an average of 100 hours per week with no safety measures and they are getting exploited here 💔💔
Toooooooo much money from undergrad as applicant and those bloody preview Casper and secondary fees all too the never ending money grab as resident … Passion is always there but passion dies with constant negative stimulations.
The system really does assume one or both of your parents are doctors that will pay for everything. In most cases (depending on the school) this is true. Us first gen doctors are at a serious disadvantage. I'm convinced the only reason one should go into medicine is because they are fully convinced it is God's plan for them, and doing otherwise is tantamount to disobedience. It can't possibly be worth it otherwise. Best of luck to all applicants, students, and residents ❤️
Remember when people warned it was a bad idea to take medical authority away from doctors and put it in the hands of business leaders and politicians? Day late and a dollar short now!
I work in a blood bank at a trauma center. Being understaffed is dangerous. Being the only tech when multiple traumas come in with no help available (nights), can be overwhelming and delays patient care. I get it.
My cousin is helping lead a lot of the protests in Wales now for many of the junior doctors there. He says it’s most likely even more than just 33%. They’re not being listened to and even the improvements that are being offered to them still aren’t enough
Being a doctor is a miserable life... Your patients don't appreciate you... You have few friends within the field... You have no time for friends and family... You have no time for yourself... You will get little satisfaction doing it, trust me.... Screw the system, don't give them your life... it's not worth it...
@@MrDentmedo I worked my ass off as a doctor for 15 years... saved every penny... didn't buy fancy cars, etc ... Forget about fancy restaurants, etc...use Uber, etc... Invested in stocks, gold, etc ... moved to a small town and found a part time job teaching tennis... super happy and lots of money...
@@reetusmeatus9096 Correct, and because of that, more doctors will quit. The good news, we have the choice to TRY to make a change, but it won't happen unless we make it happen.
27:10 There are increasing reports of UK docs graduating with £100k+ in students loan debt. While in the past there have been numerous Docs who graduate with almost no debt (compared to the US) but that is dwindling. The UK has a "cap" on university tuition per year of £9-10k, times 5 years, plus living expenses, and you could see how £100k isn't a stretch. Quick overview of the UK med training timeline: 16-18 go to college and take A level exams (junior/senior year of high school, university entrance prep) 18-23 University, Medical school, undergraduate degree, MBBS. 2 years (typically) of Foundational training. 3-9 years of specialty training. (Junior Doctor title, Registrar position) 14 years as a Consultant (attending) starting at £99.5k until you hit the max pay rank in NHS. (which is only £132k base pay, the time in grade requirement recently changed from 19 years)
Facts. Half of the doctors misdiagnose or don’t listen to the patients who end up being right. So it’s not like all of that school helps. Have intense internships and hands on training and get them in the field
I'm only 22 so I've still got a lot to learn about a life but as I grow up I think that a lot of people would be happier living vicariously through TV shows or video games than doing exciting jobs. IRL the stress, time away from family, damage to health, and PTSD make it not worth it
Not to mention it’s a statistic from a pool asking how many doctors in the UK are planning on practicing elsewhere in the next YEAR. Lots of plans don’t come to fruition and they also plan to practice medicine elsewhere. Not leave the field as a whole.
Probably the motive behind usmle being now pass or fail vs graded Harder to find the cherries and easier for those passing getting closer to the residency they want; hence filling the need for docs
Hi Kevin, love your channel, please note though that the term "junior doctor" in the uk means anyone who is not a consultant. This includes foundation year 1-2 doctors, house officers and registrars. Which means that you are a junior doctor for a minimum of between 5 years (for GP training) and 10 years (paediatrics, surgery). This is important to get right because it relates to the current junior doctor strikes in the uk
23:30 scope of practice of PA/NP in UK and US is different! In the US, PA/NPs are responsible for prescribing, ordering scans, working call (less often), etc. These things do fall on their license, but the MD is still obviously required as part of the team. PA/NPs in the US make less than an attending, but more than a resident.
Alot of the doctors I work with are advocating against me going to med school. Alot of them look unhappy. Its sad to see what medicine turned into. Alot of doctors decisions are being overruled by administration because of patients being in hospital "too long" or the longer they keep the patient the more they have to treat them / higher risk for infection/things to go wrong. It's weird seeing what medicine really is compared to how they package it to you in undergrad/everywhere else. There are a few doctors I notice are really meant for medicine. Always available to speak to family members, willing to explain plan of care to family/nurses, always in a positive attitude. Definitely people I would want as my doctor if I was ever sick. Overall, alot of physicians seem very unsatisfied with what they do though (at my hospital). Edit: The understaffing thing is REAL. The amount of times my unit has been understaffed RN and PCT wise is probably 30-40%. It's hard watching the nurses struggle day in and day out with 7 patients, soem of which are jumping out of bed, yelling because they didnt see a doctor yet, want to go home, baker acted and trying to leave etc. Its fucked seeing new hires just get the entire soul sucked out of them after realizing what nursing really is. the hospitals are just so tight with the budgeting, and want to squeeze every ounce of productivity out of the staff. I've seen them send a nurse home because we were 2 patients under matrix, 2 hours before shift change and it created chaos .. You're telling me you couldnt let spare $50 to let the staff have a slightly easier shift? We can never get sitters to sit with disruptive patients, so falls are VERY frequent, PCT's having 12-25 patients arent uncommon (we had 1 PCT for 36 patients once). its sick whats happening and its going to take a lot (of money) for it to change the system
Very interesting stuff. Im not a doctor but here in australia i've been to the ER a few times and have noticed each time theres been more nurse practitioners each and every time and less emergency doctors. The lack of funding for the sector has not only increased the consultation costs for GP's (Most dont bulk bill anymore), but theres more upwards pressure on ER's since more people are going there because theyre unable to see the regular GP/family doctor. That and if you want public healthcare to cover surgery costs, you have to wait atleast a year (multiple years in alot of ortho surgeries). I wanted to do med but i realised i'd probably burn out (all the doctors told me the same aswell haha).
When you finish medical school (5-6yrs) in the UK you are a junior doctor = resident doctor, Junior doctor means you are anyone below a consultant/attending. F1 and F2 is not equivalent to MS3+MS4 (which you said in the video), you ARE a doctor in F1 and F2. You can be practicing medicine for 9yrs outside of medical school and still be called a "junior doctor", you may be the level of a consultant based on knowledge, understanding, experience and even complete training but because you don't have a consultant post (due to reduced post availability in a large number of specialities you would still be a "junior doctor", which is crazy! You have the same responsibilities regardless of the title. Kharma was explaining that it takes us way more years to achieve the same thing as American doctors. Kharma like me did a degree before going to medical school, which is now becoming a common appearance in the UK (bachelors + medical school degree= 8-9 yrs minimum) then add training = Foundation years (2yrs), GP/IMT/CMT (2-3yrs), Registrar (4-5yrs). That is without breaks or life happening. Even if you do not do a previous degree before medical school, medical students on average are graduating with £100,000 in debt, that's almost 200k in the US dollar as of today I am writing this comment. on average a doctor in the UK is paid £14 per hour (no where near keeping with inflation), Not to mention the number of exams to pay for to qualify for the specialities that the public need, not having a say in where you work in the country right from the moment of graduation. There is a lot of instability, difficulty and can be in a lot of ways incompatible with life. Medicine is an amazing career but it is important that we highlight the difficulties faced by both doctors and medical students alike. Hopefully there will be moves towards better changes that will help make medicine more favourable for doctors and future doctors to want to stay in this profession. Which I appreciate that videos like these are trying to do! Doctors, allied healthcare professionals and patients alike both deserve the best :) Hopefully this helps!
I want to be a doctor in America, but I learned what I had to do in order to just take an expensive exam. It's crazy!!! So, right now, I am a paramedic and studying to be an RN. And then, with the bachelor of an RN, I will study and apply to med school if it's really meant to be. Edit Why go into thousands of dollars in debate to become a doctor. You don't have to sit in a classroom for hours on end every day learning brain dead Biology. I am not hating. I started there and felt like an absolute waist of time, and Bio dosent me money while i study the MCAT. I love the rigorous style of paramedic school, so I know nursing will be easy. The amount of exposure is huge being an RN. Now, the only difference is that, yes, people who take the traditional route and take Bio definitely have a "I seen that before" advantage when studying the MCAT. But the MCAT can literally be studied as any exam,just get exposure. Always remember your bachelors degree doesn't make you a doctor, and neither do you in med school. Only actually being in the hospital will make you a doctor. I learned that in EMT school, Medic School is the same for RN school and one day in med school. It's good info to rely on. But by all means, it's not what makes you. It's a foundation. In my opinion a bachelors is a bachelors don't matter what time it is.
@@mansourhaddad7102 I know I mean working 14 hours as is on an ambulance and the hell you deal with and the stress of not having enough resources to support you. I get it that's just the job its what you sign up for when you go to school. But its the money with 4 year Uni and 4 year med school. Its like 800,000 dollars or more with compounded interest and living cost. And on top of that I am Muslim and will not use interest as a way to gain a job I love a lot. I really enjoy medicine and everything about it.
No, don't do that. If you really want to be a physician in the US, you need to start studying to be a physician. Don't take a detour into nursing. It will not prepare you the way you're hoping.
Just fyi, some of us in the UK do go to uni (college) before medical school for 3-4 years THEN 4 years of medical school, we are then fully qualified 'junior' doctors for 2 years + 8 years training so it can take the same amount of time. By this time many of us will be 100K + in debt to then go on to earn barely enough to live whilst working as a doctor for pure service prevision. Plus the health system is crumbling and because the NHS is the monolopy employer we can't work as a doctor outside of it.
Im leaving medicine too after getting a degree. you cant speak out agaisnt straight BS related to ruining the direction of peoples lives you no longer can have an opinion and have any faith in god.
I’m from Canada, not an MD, but I have BA in Political Science. When I was still in uni, I remember how doctors were against the nationalization of medicine. They knew what would come out of it in the coming decades, and obviously, they aren’t wrong. Canada has a universal healthcare, and I’m proud that we are being applauded for it, but of course bc I’m neither a doctor nor a healthcare worker. The issue is shortage of workers. I hear that many are in debt. Others who didn’t pursue medicine bc they already understood how their life will centre in their work. And the ones who pursued and stayed are genuinely passionate abt medicine. In order to alleviate the shortage, would it help if medicine and healthcare do not pay tuition fees? They get an immediate scholarship regardless of their socioeconomic status, as long as they actually have the talent and passion to be in the healthcare field.
Planning to quit medicine after completing my MbCHB. Just want the degree as leverage for getting into healthcare tech startups. How can you advice me?
I'm afraid that the Medical Doctors who are leaving now are the kind humans such as those who worked as supervisors or Directors of Nursing at facilities in my past 33yr nursing career in Psych settings. If those administrators could not make cruel moves that disregard human rights at times, they did not move forward up the ladder to riches & they left.😢
In HK, all the top students choose to do medicine as a presige and guaranteed "wealth", but they are not aware of the reality that they will end up being an employee of some big corporations, just like anyone and they are sitting in a room without a window whole day!
The whole system is chipping apart. Doesn’t matter what industry you’re in, every industry seems to be understaffed. Everyone is quitting for the same reasons(toxic environment, overworked, underpaid).
It takes 8-10 years of school (if you don’t fail due to how competitive and stressful it is) to become a doctor, 180k-300k in debt after like no wonder
It’s long overdue to protect doctors’ welfare. They are humans too, they need rest, and work-life balance. A lot of doctors work themselves sick, that’s so sad. 😢
i’ll admit, i’m a little delusional. despite all of these drawbacks to the profession of medicine, i can’t turn away from how awesome it is. the drive i have is fueled by how interesting and fun science is. i also find that patient interaction can be incredibly invigorating. if you have that itch for it, keep going and don’t stop, because regardless society needs doctors. but yea…. there NEEDS to be changes goodness.
I am afraid changes will never happen Collapsing system all over the world just take in more doctors from poorer countries. This resource is infinit and govs now this. What is worse is ageing of a society. Doctors will be equal to caregivers. Government cares more and more about diaper changes for their society than treating shortening young population. In my country I would give infinit treatment from social welfare for an old alcoholic, while me and my friends would have to pay for our gynecologists and dentists privately. Whatever wage you will refuse, some Ukrainian or Paki will be forced to accept. Typing this, my friend sends mi a job offer for a recruiter of foreign workers with a wage equal to a resident's wage. 😂😂😂 Nothing will change.
medicine is more of the application of science, rather than science in discovery, theorizing sense we usually know/ think some people, like me, just tired of it (along with the need to care for millions of annoying details for every problem you face)
@@dangduc6282 Medicine is no longer any of those! If you like science that much, go into graduate school. Medicine is a business, like in the movie idiocracy!
The system I. The UK is different from the system in the USA . I have been a physician in the USA for 28 years . I still enjoy practicing medicine. That said I have cut back on my hours.
Its wrong that junior hospital doctors under training usually have to work on their own with minimal support, making decisions on life & death situations and that their responsibilities and schedules are decided by NON-MEDICAL managers. The tradition of consultants /seniors only turning up if you yourself are on the verge of death yourself or when their own reputations are at risk needs to evolve into forming mutually supportive doctor teams 24/7. Like the nursing staff do.
In other jobs you could just leave but being a doctor is a “golden handcuff” type of job. Your in so much debt and spent so much time into it that you can be abused constantly because your stuck in a prison of debt and sunk cost fallacy.
“Plan." - how many actually left? The fact is, you don't have better options. After investing yourself for so many years, if made it, you value what you do enough and can live with what you don't like about it. You also have the kind of income and benefits that's hard to give up on. The flexibility on work location is also hard to find. Yes, you work your axx off most days, but you also get to take weeks of vacation. It's hard it's miserable, but probably not that bad to the extent 1/3 would quick.
the situation in the UK is crazy İ am an İMG looking for a job since 2 years and İ have 9 years of experience in surgery yet applying for lowest level there because İ cant work where İ live now ( İ am a refugee in turkey my diploma doesn't equlise automatically ) ....the thing is İ cant find a job there and that is unimaginable
Don't Blame The Patients! That is what it feels like to be a patient. Horrible "Treatment!" Many patients are Sick Of the seriously Bad Treatment by Doctors!(No Pun Intended). Really Bad.(US).
Why would anyone work as doctor when people are obsessed with their bodies/ symptoms, you have M.D. after your name you jump on social media and you're fine, no risk of killing anyone either...
I asked a friend whose wife is an anesthesiologist, why Dr's work so late in life. He told me most can't afford to leave because, "doctors are really bad with money."
Not just medicine. Also the requirements to become a doctor are ridiculous. You don't need to know organic chemistry to be a good doctor. You don't need to memorize random gene mutations to be a good doctor either. Why require 8 years just to get to residency? They need to streamline the medical education system and not create ridiculous hoops to weed people out.
Also should start in highschool. Have electives or vocational classes for pre med students. That would help a lot. Imagine training to be a doctor from freshman year. You could be in the field actively by 24 or so
It’s nice to see that how Obama care has transformed healthcare in America. We are well on our way to wealthy corporations delivering minimal healthcare value at maximum costs. Oh yeah, and let’s not forget that the government will further fill the pockets of these corporations with US tax dollars in an effort to keep their voting constituencies happy, thus retaining their power. It’s only going to get worst.
While medicine is a noble profession, from what I have seen from people I know in medicine, there are easier ways to make a living and make money in general.
🔧🛠️💡💡One solution is to start increasing the intake of doctors at universities. We need a bigger pool of doctors to share the workload, replace those who quit/retired/fall sick, deal with pandemics, and higher demands to meet the rapidly ageing population.
Lots of misinformation here. I’m really disappointed after years of following this channel. I can’t speak for the UK but in the U.S. PAs can see their own patients, perform physical exams, prescribe medications, and order labs as well as imaging. Many if not MOST PAs do in fact work weekends, nights, and on-call shifts. We have extremely difficult admissions requirements and many students do choose PA as their main career. It’s not a back up plan and most PAs are certainly not coming for the jobs of MDs and DOs. If you removed all of the PAs from the current healthcare system - patient wait times would increase significantly. Hospitals and clinics would quickly become short staffed. We have extensive schooling requirements and work hard to maintain certifications. It’s unfortunate your statements leave the impression they do. Please actually look at research showing PA competencies and patient satisfaction surveys since you hold surveys in such high regard in this video.
I think it depends on the hospital system. Where I work, PA and NP cannot round at the hospital and they don’t take call. The hospital will not allow the NP and PA to take call however they work weekends and they get paid a salary while the doctors are on revenue pay. A lot of hospitals do this now, revenue pay with doctors so they have to see more patients compare to NP and PA in order to get a reasonable salary. It actually is not a good model for some specialities as during COVID, the doctors on revenue had to pay back money to the hospital while NP was on salary and didn’t have to pay back money because they didn’t see as many patients as expected. I don’t think all PA and NP take call and round at hospitals. It is not universal expectation in the USA. Please do your research as well.
@@bubbabunny4258 it absolutely does depend on the hospital and even the state due to legislation! I don’t think you read my post in full before jumping to conclusions which is the same thing he did in this video. I said “many if not MOST PAs will take call, work weekends, and work nights.” You’re responding as if I said every single PA/NP absolutely has to work the same as doctors in every single setting. If you read studies and publications by the AAPA, PAs CAN but don’t always work in hospitals. The roles are extremely diverse and help improve access to care in the end. I’m not sure what else you want me to research seeing as I do understand the role very well.
He means the knowledge level and professional acumen of foundation doctors is that of an MS4/PGY1. And he's right, it's also what my experience was like in the UK.
I'm a Nurse Practitioner. I've taken care of patients from the White House to top Generals at Walter Reed. Practiced in Primary Care, Psychiatry and Neurology. Health is not getting better, it is exponentially getting worse. I quit as of yesterday after learning I have been unknowingly serving a system that does not serve GOD. Every doctor takes a Hippocratic oath which is sworn to other gods. GOD says HE alone is the great PHYSICIAN. When we turn away from HIM, HE will turn away from us for destruction and not bring healing to our nation. Asclepius rod is the wicked rod. The rod with a coiled snake used in “healthcare” today. "Woe unto them that decree unrighteous decrees, and that write grievousness which they have prescribed;" Isaiah 10:1 “For the rod of the wicked shall not rest upon the lot of the righteous; lest the righteous put forth their hands unto iniquity.” Psalm 125:3, "He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions." Psalm 107:20
I pity you guys. You want to jump ship to where exactly 🤷🏾♂️ to become a nurse or truck driver? Or to own a business you aren’t sure of the outcomes? Or to become an IT professional with an unpredictable situation. You guys should be grateful for where you are and work hard to specialise.
So true doctors act as if suddenly they will quit and become millionaires doing a business or something. I mean if it was that easy wouldn’t people have done it already.
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Even as a pathologist, which is supposed to be the most laid back subspecialty, I still work a minimum of 60 hours per week. I have no life, no hobbies, no friends, no time. Life is all work. The 60 hours also does not include weekend call, which is far lighter than most specialties, but neurosurgeons do call you in most weekends even at crazy hours to do frozen sections. As most pathologists are hospital employees we don't actually get paid for our call coverage. It kind of sucks tbh. edit: and also, you have to be perfect, you can't make a mistake or else someone gets the wrong treatment. High stress and no work life balance
Do you ever impersonate Quincy, in the mirror, when no one is looking?
You know in India it's even worse unfortunately 💔 Resident doctors are treated as slaves here and it's on an average of 100 hours per week with no safety measures and they are getting exploited here 💔💔
The irony is that most people wake up to this reality only after they’ve become a doctor.
Others never do
Very True
Or they are $500,000 in debt and must keep going down that path even though they see the reality of health care.
Toooooooo much money from undergrad as applicant and those bloody preview Casper and secondary fees all too the never ending money grab as resident … Passion is always there but passion dies with constant negative stimulations.
Well said
The system really does assume one or both of your parents are doctors that will pay for everything. In most cases (depending on the school) this is true. Us first gen doctors are at a serious disadvantage. I'm convinced the only reason one should go into medicine is because they are fully convinced it is God's plan for them, and doing otherwise is tantamount to disobedience. It can't possibly be worth it otherwise. Best of luck to all applicants, students, and residents ❤️
@@keres993big facts
So true
@@keres993this comment is severely underrated
Remember when people warned it was a bad idea to take medical authority away from doctors and put it in the hands of business leaders and politicians? Day late and a dollar short now!
Are we allowed to take arms and rectify the problem?
I work in a blood bank at a trauma center. Being understaffed is dangerous. Being the only tech when multiple traumas come in with no help available (nights), can be overwhelming and delays patient care. I get it.
My cousin is helping lead a lot of the protests in Wales now for many of the junior doctors there. He says it’s most likely even more than just 33%. They’re not being listened to and even the improvements that are being offered to them still aren’t enough
Being a doctor is a miserable life...
Your patients don't appreciate you...
You have few friends within the field...
You have no time for friends and family...
You have no time for yourself...
You will get little satisfaction doing it, trust me....
Screw the system, don't give them your life... it's not worth it...
Same in Egypt but what we can do🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
@@MrDentmedo I worked my ass off as a doctor for 15 years... saved every penny... didn't buy fancy cars, etc ... Forget about fancy restaurants, etc...use Uber, etc...
Invested in stocks, gold, etc ... moved to a small town and found a part time job teaching tennis... super happy and lots of money...
@@FLAC2023 I didn't know this occur too in the west I think u don't differ alot from here all this regimes must change
@@FLAC2023 how did you jump over to tennis?
@@123pripri grew up playing it
It's time for a change or more doctors will quit
I agree with this comment
Goodbye 👋
it wont change
@@reetusmeatus9096 Correct, and because of that, more doctors will quit. The good news, we have the choice to TRY to make a change, but it won't happen unless we make it happen.
@@bozardo101 it happens in Korea
27:10 There are increasing reports of UK docs graduating with £100k+ in students loan debt.
While in the past there have been numerous Docs who graduate with almost no debt (compared to the US) but that is dwindling.
The UK has a "cap" on university tuition per year of £9-10k, times 5 years, plus living expenses, and you could see how £100k isn't a stretch.
Quick overview of the UK med training timeline:
16-18 go to college and take A level exams (junior/senior year of high school, university entrance prep)
18-23 University, Medical school, undergraduate degree, MBBS.
2 years (typically) of Foundational training.
3-9 years of specialty training. (Junior Doctor title, Registrar position)
14 years as a Consultant (attending) starting at £99.5k until you hit the max pay rank in NHS. (which is only £132k base pay, the time in grade requirement recently changed from 19 years)
The craziest 🤪 thing is that it doesn't have to be like this. None of it. From the training to the work schedule. 😳
Facts. Half of the doctors misdiagnose or don’t listen to the patients who end up being right. So it’s not like all of that school helps. Have intense internships and hands on training and get them in the field
@@alphaomega1351 How? What do you mean?
Glad I went into Optometry! 43 years in , still have more in the tank.
The reality of being a doctor hit me only after I registered myself as a doctor. This is the irony.
Part of the design
@@junwooo so true
I'm only 22 so I've still got a lot to learn about a life but as I grow up I think that a lot of people would be happier living vicariously through TV shows or video games than doing exciting jobs. IRL the stress, time away from family, damage to health, and PTSD make it not worth it
The title is misleading. You should have specified that the 33% is from the UK.
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Not to mention it’s a statistic from a pool asking how many doctors in the UK are planning on practicing elsewhere in the next YEAR. Lots of plans don’t come to fruition and they also plan to practice medicine elsewhere. Not leave the field as a whole.
You are right, in Italy it's way worse but with mass physician migration
Probably the motive behind usmle being now pass or fail vs graded
Harder to find the cherries and easier for those passing getting closer to the residency they want; hence filling the need for docs
Hi Kevin, love your channel, please note though that the term "junior doctor" in the uk means anyone who is not a consultant. This includes foundation year 1-2 doctors, house officers and registrars. Which means that you are a junior doctor for a minimum of between 5 years (for GP training) and 10 years (paediatrics, surgery). This is important to get right because it relates to the current junior doctor strikes in the uk
ty for educating me, i thought junior doc was just FY
23:30 scope of practice of PA/NP in UK and US is different! In the US, PA/NPs are responsible for prescribing, ordering scans, working call (less often), etc. These things do fall on their license, but the MD is still obviously required as part of the team. PA/NPs in the US make less than an attending, but more than a resident.
Yes!! I was so frustrated by the misinformation about PAs in the US! I’ve watched for years but this was ridiculous.
Alot of the doctors I work with are advocating against me going to med school. Alot of them look unhappy. Its sad to see what medicine turned into. Alot of doctors decisions are being overruled by administration because of patients being in hospital "too long" or the longer they keep the patient the more they have to treat them / higher risk for infection/things to go wrong. It's weird seeing what medicine really is compared to how they package it to you in undergrad/everywhere else. There are a few doctors I notice are really meant for medicine. Always available to speak to family members, willing to explain plan of care to family/nurses, always in a positive attitude. Definitely people I would want as my doctor if I was ever sick. Overall, alot of physicians seem very unsatisfied with what they do though (at my hospital).
Edit: The understaffing thing is REAL. The amount of times my unit has been understaffed RN and PCT wise is probably 30-40%. It's hard watching the nurses struggle day in and day out with 7 patients, soem of which are jumping out of bed, yelling because they didnt see a doctor yet, want to go home, baker acted and trying to leave etc. Its fucked seeing new hires just get the entire soul sucked out of them after realizing what nursing really is. the hospitals are just so tight with the budgeting, and want to squeeze every ounce of productivity out of the staff. I've seen them send a nurse home because we were 2 patients under matrix, 2 hours before shift change and it created chaos .. You're telling me you couldnt let spare $50 to let the staff have a slightly easier shift? We can never get sitters to sit with disruptive patients, so falls are VERY frequent, PCT's having 12-25 patients arent uncommon (we had 1 PCT for 36 patients once). its sick whats happening and its going to take a lot (of money) for it to change the system
Very interesting stuff. Im not a doctor but here in australia i've been to the ER a few times and have noticed each time theres been more nurse practitioners each and every time and less emergency doctors. The lack of funding for the sector has not only increased the consultation costs for GP's (Most dont bulk bill anymore), but theres more upwards pressure on ER's since more people are going there because theyre unable to see the regular GP/family doctor. That and if you want public healthcare to cover surgery costs, you have to wait atleast a year (multiple years in alot of ortho surgeries). I wanted to do med but i realised i'd probably burn out (all the doctors told me the same aswell haha).
I’m planning on going to Med school and instead of working in a hospital I’m gonna open up my own private practice
@@storm2945you could also do community practice as well
When you finish medical school (5-6yrs) in the UK you are a junior doctor = resident doctor, Junior doctor means you are anyone below a consultant/attending. F1 and F2 is not equivalent to MS3+MS4 (which you said in the video), you ARE a doctor in F1 and F2.
You can be practicing medicine for 9yrs outside of medical school and still be called a "junior doctor", you may be the level of a consultant based on knowledge, understanding, experience and even complete training but because you don't have a consultant post (due to reduced post availability in a large number of specialities you would still be a "junior doctor", which is crazy!
You have the same responsibilities regardless of the title. Kharma was explaining that it takes us way more years to achieve the same thing as American doctors. Kharma like me did a degree before going to medical school, which is now becoming a common appearance in the UK (bachelors + medical school degree= 8-9 yrs minimum) then add training = Foundation years (2yrs), GP/IMT/CMT (2-3yrs), Registrar (4-5yrs). That is without breaks or life happening.
Even if you do not do a previous degree before medical school, medical students on average are graduating with £100,000 in debt, that's almost 200k in the US dollar as of today I am writing this comment. on average a doctor in the UK is paid £14 per hour (no where near keeping with inflation), Not to mention the number of exams to pay for to qualify for the specialities that the public need, not having a say in where you work in the country right from the moment of graduation. There is a lot of instability, difficulty and can be in a lot of ways incompatible with life.
Medicine is an amazing career but it is important that we highlight the difficulties faced by both doctors and medical students alike. Hopefully there will be moves towards better changes that will help make medicine more favourable for doctors and future doctors to want to stay in this profession. Which I appreciate that videos like these are trying to do! Doctors, allied healthcare professionals and patients alike both deserve the best :) Hopefully this helps!
Thanks for sharing this with the audience and clarifying the UK process!
I want to be a doctor in America, but I learned what I had to do in order to just take an expensive exam. It's crazy!!! So, right now, I am a paramedic and studying to be an RN. And then, with the bachelor of an RN, I will study and apply to med school if it's really meant to be.
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Why go into thousands of dollars in debate to become a doctor. You don't have to sit in a classroom for hours on end every day learning brain dead Biology. I am not hating. I started there and felt like an absolute waist of time, and Bio dosent me money while i study the MCAT. I love the rigorous style of paramedic school, so I know nursing will be easy. The amount of exposure is huge being an RN. Now, the only difference is that, yes, people who take the traditional route and take Bio definitely have a "I seen that before" advantage when studying the MCAT. But the MCAT can literally be studied as any exam,just get exposure. Always remember your bachelors degree doesn't make you a doctor, and neither do you in med school. Only actually being in the hospital will make you a doctor. I learned that in EMT school, Medic School is the same for RN school and one day in med school. It's good info to rely on. But by all means, it's not what makes you. It's a foundation.
In my opinion a bachelors is a bachelors don't matter what time it is.
Bro the thing is it’s not just an ‘expensive exam’ there’s a loooot more to this 😂😂
@@mansourhaddad7102 I know I mean working 14 hours as is on an ambulance and the hell you deal with and the stress of not having enough resources to support you. I get it that's just the job its what you sign up for when you go to school. But its the money with 4 year Uni and 4 year med school. Its like 800,000 dollars or more with compounded interest and living cost. And on top of that I am Muslim and will not use interest as a way to gain a job I love a lot. I really enjoy medicine and everything about it.
No, don't do that. If you really want to be a physician in the US, you need to start studying to be a physician. Don't take a detour into nursing. It will not prepare you the way you're hoping.
@aweisen1 na bro I work the field there is many routes to be a doctor. For me studying biology isn't it. And there are many RN to MD routes
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Doesn't really apply to the US tho. The UK is fucked over by their gov with shit pay, creep scope, and massive training bottlenecks
100% I don't think US doctors quite appreciate the scale of this + the terrible working conditions and crumbling health system
YES
Most of the doctors leaving are family doctors. Most ROAD specialists are overjoyed at their job in Canada.
Just fyi, some of us in the UK do go to uni (college) before medical school for 3-4 years THEN 4 years of medical school, we are then fully qualified 'junior' doctors for 2 years + 8 years training so it can take the same amount of time. By this time many of us will be 100K + in debt to then go on to earn barely enough to live whilst working as a doctor for pure service prevision. Plus the health system is crumbling and because the NHS is the monolopy employer we can't work as a doctor outside of it.
Im leaving medicine too after getting a degree. you cant speak out agaisnt straight BS related to ruining the direction of peoples lives you no longer can have an opinion and have any faith in god.
As a year 3 I enjoyed certain clerkships. Other ones, such as IM in Oakland, I kept wondering, why does this have to be so harsh and awful?
I’m from Canada, not an MD, but I have BA in Political Science. When I was still in uni, I remember how doctors were against the nationalization of medicine. They knew what would come out of it in the coming decades, and obviously, they aren’t wrong.
Canada has a universal healthcare, and I’m proud that we are being applauded for it, but of course bc I’m neither a doctor nor a healthcare worker.
The issue is shortage of workers. I hear that many are in debt. Others who didn’t pursue medicine bc they already understood how their life will centre in their work. And the ones who pursued and stayed are genuinely passionate abt medicine.
In order to alleviate the shortage, would it help if medicine and healthcare do not pay tuition fees? They get an immediate scholarship regardless of their socioeconomic status, as long as they actually have the talent and passion to be in the healthcare field.
This is really unfortunate. He makes excellent points, and the pay is incredibly disrespectful!
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Planning to quit medicine after completing my MbCHB. Just want the degree as leverage for getting into healthcare tech startups. How can you advice me?
I'm afraid that the Medical Doctors who are leaving now are the kind humans such as those who worked as supervisors or Directors of Nursing at facilities in my past 33yr nursing career in Psych settings. If those administrators could not make cruel moves that disregard human rights at times, they did not move forward up the ladder to riches & they left.😢
In HK, all the top students choose to do medicine as a presige and guaranteed "wealth", but they are not aware of the reality that they will end up being an employee of some big corporations, just like anyone and they are sitting in a room without a window whole day!
“Sounds like they’re extremely understaffed at that hospital”, lol welcome to the NHS.
Coming soon to us here in America I think.
The whole system is chipping apart. Doesn’t matter what industry you’re in, every industry seems to be understaffed. Everyone is quitting for the same reasons(toxic environment, overworked, underpaid).
It takes 8-10 years of school (if you don’t fail due to how competitive and stressful it is) to become a doctor, 180k-300k in debt after like no wonder
It’s long overdue to protect doctors’ welfare. They are humans too, they need rest, and work-life balance. A lot of doctors work themselves sick, that’s so sad. 😢
i’ll admit, i’m a little delusional. despite all of these drawbacks to the profession of medicine, i can’t turn away from how awesome it is. the drive i have is fueled by how interesting and fun science is. i also find that patient interaction can be incredibly invigorating. if you have that itch for it, keep going and don’t stop, because regardless society needs doctors. but yea…. there NEEDS to be changes goodness.
I am afraid changes will never happen
Collapsing system all over the world just take in more doctors from poorer countries. This resource is infinit and govs now this. What is worse is ageing of a society. Doctors will be equal to caregivers. Government cares more and more about diaper changes for their society than treating shortening young population. In my country I would give infinit treatment from social welfare for an old alcoholic, while me and my friends would have to pay for our gynecologists and dentists privately. Whatever wage you will refuse, some Ukrainian or Paki will be forced to accept.
Typing this, my friend sends mi a job offer for a recruiter of foreign workers with a wage equal to a resident's wage. 😂😂😂
Nothing will change.
medicine is more of the application of science, rather than science in discovery, theorizing sense we usually know/ think
some people, like me, just tired of it (along with the need to care for millions of annoying details for every problem you face)
@@dangduc6282 Medicine is no longer any of those! If you like science that much, go into graduate school. Medicine is a business, like in the movie idiocracy!
@@MatchaCocoaDog yep that's blunt. But I agree
@@MatchaCocoaDog more or less i agree too
I loved bein a young doctor in the early nineties. But it god worseand worse quickly.
The system I. The UK is different from the system in the USA . I have been a physician in the USA for 28 years . I still enjoy practicing medicine. That said I have cut back on my hours.
Its wrong that junior hospital doctors under training usually have to work on their own with minimal support, making decisions on life & death situations and that their responsibilities and schedules are decided by NON-MEDICAL managers.
The tradition of consultants /seniors only turning up if you yourself are on the verge of death yourself or when their own reputations are at risk needs to evolve into forming mutually supportive doctor teams 24/7. Like the nursing staff do.
In other jobs you could just leave but being a doctor is a “golden handcuff” type of job. Your in so much debt and spent so much time into it that you can be abused constantly because your stuck in a prison of debt and sunk cost fallacy.
This sounds like a truck 🚚 driver schedule. The load determines when and where to go, so life is scheduled around the load. 😢😢😢
“Plan." - how many actually left? The fact is, you don't have better options. After investing yourself for so many years, if made it, you value what you do enough and can live with what you don't like about it. You also have the kind of income and benefits that's hard to give up on. The flexibility on work location is also hard to find. Yes, you work your axx off most days, but you also get to take weeks of vacation. It's hard it's miserable, but probably not that bad to the extent 1/3 would quick.
that voice change at 29:22 was so hilarious that I played it back like 5 times.
Why did this guy in UK choose to become a doctor. He sounds like he made wrong decision!
the situation in the UK is crazy İ am an İMG looking for a job since 2 years and İ have 9 years of experience in surgery yet applying for lowest level there because İ cant work where İ live now ( İ am a refugee in turkey my diploma doesn't equlise automatically ) ....the thing is İ cant find a job there and that is unimaginable
Your terrible English is one of the reasons why you won’t even find a job
I'm an intern meaning my last year of medschool in Perú in a national hospital and I would kill to get your schedule. I work 6 to 8 everyday
yikes, they better change the system or we are effed lol
"Welp, our last doctor just quit!" (crash alarm blaring)
Hope things will change for the better so that doctors will not quit, and those who hv quit will come back.😊
Don't Blame The Patients! That is what it feels like to be a patient. Horrible "Treatment!" Many patients are Sick Of the seriously Bad Treatment by Doctors!(No Pun Intended). Really Bad.(US).
Why would anyone work as doctor when people are obsessed with their bodies/ symptoms, you have M.D. after your name you jump on social media and you're fine, no risk of killing anyone either...
I asked a friend whose wife is an anesthesiologist, why Dr's work so late in life. He told me most can't afford to leave because, "doctors are really bad with money."
Why do DRs put up with this.
Where is this number of 33% UK doctors planning to leave medicine from? References?
Data about doctors leaving the UK - www.bma.org.uk/news-and-opinion/a-third-of-doctors-consider-leaving-uk
@@kevinjubbalmd Thanks. It’d be more accurate to have the title say “33% of UK Doctors leaving UK…”
33% is not even that bad. Now if it was 50-60%, then I would be worried.
Privatize something and greed will take over everything.
If the US had Medicare for all, physicians in the US will be in this predicament.
Have folled Kev during covid 2021,gr8 content always,keep up the good work.👍
Thank you!
Just commenting for the algorithm 🖤🤎
Being first generation doctor sucks specially in today's world
Our Lady of Good Health
The Blessed Virgin Mary
its called being a part of the working class
Almost half of doctors are over 55 years old. May be lots are just retiring??
What's a good pre med book to read
Harrison's Principles of Internal Medicine
Sadly it’s more of profit over actually helping people
I would work 135 hours in the US than work 84 hours in India........you privileged first worlders!!!!
Not just medicine. Also the requirements to become a doctor are ridiculous. You don't need to know organic chemistry to be a good doctor. You don't need to memorize random gene mutations to be a good doctor either. Why require 8 years just to get to residency? They need to streamline the medical education system and not create ridiculous hoops to weed people out.
I agree all that info is so unnecessary to be a doctor
This!
Also should start in highschool. Have electives or vocational classes for pre med students. That would help a lot. Imagine training to be a doctor from freshman year. You could be in the field actively by 24 or so
Being a barber is more fulfilling.
It’s nice to see that how Obama care has transformed healthcare in America. We are well on our way to wealthy corporations delivering minimal healthcare value at maximum costs. Oh yeah, and let’s not forget that the government will further fill the pockets of these corporations with US tax dollars in an effort to keep their voting constituencies happy, thus retaining their power. It’s only going to get worst.
While medicine is a noble profession, from what I have seen from people I know in medicine, there are easier ways to make a living and make money in general.
Boomers gotta go. Imagine gen z in charge right now. Right, temporary utopia and a rapid collapse of existing systems
But they have the right idea
I would leave tok if I work in UK with those miserable salary
Yoruba matting Ibo will fail 99.9% of times. It's a n unwise risk to take
But you have more hair than Prince William 😂😅😊
title is a bit misleading
Yes, most of the news surveys have been saying 40%, not just 33%
congrationlations to him I could never devote that much of my time to be paid that less lol
Finals for ms4 med students, paper cut.
Hi 👋
He is talking about being a resident once you finish residency you can open your own office and make your own schedule
I already did...
But those checksss thoughhh. Doctors get paiddd!!!!!$$$$$
Leave UK.
🔧🛠️💡💡One solution is to start increasing the intake of doctors at universities. We need a bigger pool of doctors to share the workload, replace those who quit/retired/fall sick, deal with pandemics, and higher demands to meet the rapidly ageing population.
good for me, i can get a job easily then
You serve me, god!
I work in the USA. Absolutely love ❤it here. Love USA and medicine here despite it not being what it was in the past. Still the best. No contest.
You're joking, right?
Socialized medicine...
Lots of misinformation here. I’m really disappointed after years of following this channel. I can’t speak for the UK but in the U.S. PAs can see their own patients, perform physical exams, prescribe medications, and order labs as well as imaging. Many if not MOST PAs do in fact work weekends, nights, and on-call shifts. We have extremely difficult admissions requirements and many students do choose PA as their main career. It’s not a back up plan and most PAs are certainly not coming for the jobs of MDs and DOs. If you removed all of the PAs from the current healthcare system - patient wait times would increase significantly. Hospitals and clinics would quickly become short staffed. We have extensive schooling requirements and work hard to maintain certifications. It’s unfortunate your statements leave the impression they do. Please actually look at research showing PA competencies and patient satisfaction surveys since you hold surveys in such high regard in this video.
I think it depends on the hospital system. Where I work, PA and NP cannot round at the hospital and they don’t take call. The hospital will not allow the NP and PA to take call however they work weekends and they get paid a salary while the doctors are on revenue pay. A lot of hospitals do this now, revenue pay with doctors so they have to see more patients compare to NP and PA in order to get a reasonable salary. It actually is not a good model for some specialities as during COVID, the doctors on revenue had to pay back money to the hospital while NP was on salary and didn’t have to pay back money because they didn’t see as many patients as expected. I don’t think all PA and NP take call and round at hospitals. It is not universal expectation in the USA. Please do your research as well.
@@bubbabunny4258 it absolutely does depend on the hospital and even the state due to legislation! I don’t think you read my post in full before jumping to conclusions which is the same thing he did in this video. I said “many if not MOST PAs will take call, work weekends, and work nights.” You’re responding as if I said every single PA/NP absolutely has to work the same as doctors in every single setting. If you read studies and publications by the AAPA, PAs CAN but don’t always work in hospitals. The roles are extremely diverse and help improve access to care in the end. I’m not sure what else you want me to research seeing as I do understand the role very well.
😂😂😂 they saw the lies during corona😂😂 😂😂😂
Junior doctors are not ms4. There are every qualified doctor excluding consultants. From day 1 intern to the doctor who will be a consultant tomorrow.
He means the knowledge level and professional acumen of foundation doctors is that of an MS4/PGY1. And he's right, it's also what my experience was like in the UK.
Get a life and stop moaning
It’s a job and it gets better with time
The benefits outweigh the drawbacks
Need robots for doctor/nurses/nurse's aides helpers.
Now is a good time before Covid 25 after Trump wins.
I'm a Nurse Practitioner. I've taken care of patients from the White House to top Generals at Walter Reed. Practiced in Primary Care, Psychiatry and Neurology. Health is not getting better, it is exponentially getting worse. I quit as of yesterday after learning I have been unknowingly serving a system that does not serve GOD. Every doctor takes a Hippocratic oath which is sworn to other gods. GOD says HE alone is the great PHYSICIAN. When we turn away from HIM, HE will turn away from us for destruction and not bring healing to our nation. Asclepius rod is the wicked rod. The rod with a coiled snake used in “healthcare” today.
"Woe unto them that decree unrighteous decrees, and that write grievousness which they have prescribed;" Isaiah 10:1
“For the rod of the wicked shall not rest upon the lot of the righteous; lest the righteous put forth their hands unto iniquity.” Psalm 125:3,
"He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions." Psalm 107:20
You guys must really hate nurses! Am right?
I pity you guys. You want to jump ship to where exactly 🤷🏾♂️ to become a nurse or truck driver? Or to own a business you aren’t sure of the outcomes? Or to become an IT professional with an unpredictable situation. You guys should be grateful for where you are and work hard to specialise.
So true doctors act as if suddenly they will quit and become millionaires doing a business or something. I mean if it was that easy wouldn’t people have done it already.
Sux 2 b u
We can always get chinese and indian doctors
Infinite resource.
Ive had permanent and worsening penile rissue damage for 1.5 years in thailand. Not a single milligram of help. Not a single urologist even examined my erection once in 1.5 years. My life is ruined and if im not allowed to be happy ever again then i am going to take the people that refuse to help me down with me. Im NOT going to quietly become a sad little statistic noone cares about, im going with a bang 🎉