@@Zoster1 Well my buddy is Neurosurgery in india so im assuming they get an extra min or two for Surgical Questions and Pre-Op questions. But still its crazy 1mn - 3min is insane. Currently I think the fastest Ive been out of a room with a patient is 7mins and thats because Presentation was Easy
@@cs7623 ya man if you are working in government hospitals then the patient flow in OPD is wayy too much and most of the doctors just don't care enough for their patients in my hospital and they just make it seem like they do their job unwillingly even though they are the ones who chose the job in govt hospital for it's good pay and cause most of them dont have sufficient skills,knowledge and confidence to work in corporate sector (not all of the doctors here are like that but most of them are). They just ask the chief complaint and just give medication. Most of them dont even care enough to explain what lifestyle modifications the patient needs to do or even act very annoyed all the time. They don't even care to explain timings of taking medicines here. Just see the patient,medication, bye bye to you. 😂 Sry for my ranting but it hurts me that poor people can't get medical attention and treatment the same as rich ones and trust me most of the doctors make it seem that way that they feel like they are some superior being but in reality we all are just humans.
"Can you handle it" perhaps isn't the right way to put it. It feeds into the narrative that only a select few are strong or capable enough to hack it as a doctor. We should be questioning the system itself, not people individually.
True. It’s the system, but that system is not going to change. The unfortunate thing is it would make people with stamina go into surgery, not necessarily those with the surgical finesse and depth of anatomical knowledge.
Idk I think some people do thrive on it. The surgeon that saved me...couldn't have imagine anyone more cut out to become a surgeon. He absolutely thrived on it and loved the lifestyle.
The medical system is made to resist radical changes and the ones having power to do it are at top of their careers and they don't over work much so they don't want to change. I have seen the resistance put up by junior doctors , residents straight up shot down with consequences leading to rivilary between HoDs and them leading to high failure rates in University exams and extra load of unnecessary work out on them and hard punishments for small mistakes. @@kevinjubbalmd
Please donot compare USA and INDIA The condition is worse than you can even imagine You don't even know how the healthcare workers survive in disgusting unhygienic atmosphere in govt hospitals to treat patients We donot keep our patients waiting for months. We see every patient that comes without an appointment. Why are so many doctors shifting to usa if the work culture was similar. For you to know how scary the work culture in India is ,you need to experience it. I bet none of the Americans can survive a day treating the patients that way. I am happy that despite all these adverse conditions god has given me the power to survive through this everyday . Blessings and only Blessings
I think in India if you graduate from a Government Medical College you pay minimum fees as compared to studying from a private medical colleges. I believe part of completing your MBBS (undergraduate degree) from a Government Medical college in India is that you are bound to complete your residency in a Government hospital (which are often free for the general public, where the majority of the patients are of poorer economic backgrounds). I think that is what Anuj is referring to @ 5:02 about quitting Medicine where the medical graduate has to repay the government of India for compensating for the minimum medical college fees (sometimes COMPLETELY free if you study at AIIMS) that you had to pay to study MBBS. I think the government of India believes that they invested in you and expect you to repay them by caring for the Indian public by completing your residency. For example, one of my friends from AFMC had to repay a significant amount to the government as he decided to leave India to the US to study Anesthesiology after completing his MBBS.
No, that's not exactly what he was referring to. If you take a PG admission in any of the colleges and you want to quit, you need to pay a significant amount (Idk the exact money but heard it's close to or much higher than the values mentioned in the video), so even if you are suffering, you can't quit as most middle income families don't have that kind of money and there's also societal pressure. What you are referrring to is the bond amount, most states have a certain duration of bond period which you are supposed to fulfill AFTER you finish the degree (like AFMC has 2 kinds of bonds - short term and long term, I can be wrong) and a few states also have bonds in which you need to work for "x" amount of years after MBBS. Most states have bonds to be done after you finish your PG (MD/MS), like Andhra Pradesh has a bond of 1 year after PG (most states have more than 1 year, I think Assam has a bond of 7 years) which you can pay 30 lakhs to not do it and get your degree. There are few exceptions to the bond system, most central institutes and deemed universities don't (like AIIMS, Manipal).
@@pradyumnakavatarapu9424 Thanks for enlightening me. Yeah, I think most likely my friend had to pay bond amount for leaving to the US after completing his MBBS from AFMC.
I always felt like Dr. Anuj's videos are somewhere inspired by your Med School Insiders videos. I've been your subscriber from the very beginning, so seeing you react to his videos feels like a full circle moment.
My daughter is a gynecologist, works in government hospital. She did work in one of the costliest private hospital in banglore . The head surgeon used to force those gynecologist to perform C-section and Bariatric surgery on patients . They fired her within a year for not agreeing regarding c section .
Thank you Doctor Jubbal for all of your wonderful content! I was wondering if you did any videos about non traditional students? Believe it or not there are some after 40 who still want to be doctors. You have gone through medical school and residency. What do you know or think about non traditional students considering medical school ? Please forgive the question if you already did a video on the subject. Thank you again for all your content!🙏❤️
We have an upcoming reaction video on this topic! In short I think it’s great and more power to those people. I think there are some challenges and special considerations that I outline in that upcoming video
Actually what i think is mostly science major's like ; computer science, medical (doctors and surgeons) or maths or physics they all have problems they became unsatisfied because its much much more harder than expected , they literally sometimes hate their life, otherwise look at the high school teachers how happily they live and how comfortable they are in life.
Can you do a video on the Naturopathic Doctor title? I see some NDs saying that it’s the same med school training and then some with added courses such as botanical medicine and acupuncture. I’m curious on your take.
Hey Kevin, I completed my MBBS at TMC, one of the most prestigious colleges in my country, after topping most of the exams I took post-high school. I thoroughly enjoyed my time there, but when my internship started, COVID hit hard, and I quickly found myself burnt out. It felt like being thrown into a war without any combat skills-just handed a rifle and told to fight. I can completely relate to the experience in this video. 😂 Like many others, I tried to hold everything together, but I ended up completely drained. I took a few years off to rediscover myself and figure out what I truly wanted to do. Now, I’m developing a platform to enhance the learning experience for junior doctors, making them better equipped rather than getting stressed out. I’ve been following you and Ali Abdaal for years, and if either of you is interested in this cause, your insights would make a huge difference in driving meaningful change.
As for me, I initially decided to quit medicine to pursue an MBA and entrepreneurship. However, the time away from medical practice made me fall in love with it all over again, and I realized the impact I could have in making it better. It’s like the saying: don’t change your wife, work on improving things. Now, I’ve started preparing for post-graduation while working on the project I mentioned earlier.
Thank you because working as a doctor is nowhere close to what I thought it to be. Truthfully, I don't like the level of expectations, people's entitlement to doctor's having a strong work ethic and being available to meet their needs and the relatively low pay compared to the hours and amount of effort we put in. The hours are tough with significant out of hours service, and we are just expected to keep giving our all for this profession and our career. I'm not surprised numerous doctors reach burnout. Things get worse when there is a shortage of medical doctors in your healthcare system, and it is expected that doctors "adjust" to the situation rather than prioritizing patient care and recruiting more doctors.
I think the sick and dying people are tired of doctors acting like they have it worse than the sick and dying people. They need help and instead doctors act like the ill and injured are burdens. Choose a different profession. I have news for you damn near everyone hates their jobs and get burnout. The only difference is the rest of us make 1/10 or less in a year than a doctor makes and we bankrupt ourselves to pay the doctors who gaslight us and treat us like we don't deserve care.
It's Worse in india, still, anywhere, doctors are the pathetic, overtime, all get, exhausted, it's the choice, to be in it or not, but, it's, the interest, that drives every doctors,
Thanks for this video. I am a family nurse practitioner thinking of going back to med school to further my education. This helped me with making my decision. ❤ 😊
I feel like Kevin has been hating on medicine so hard ever since quitting. We get it, it’s not perfect. However, he has to remind us at least once a month by making a video about the negative aspects. Could be me, but I low key feel like he’s still trying to justify his decision of quitting. I really love the other videos but I’m tired of these ones.
True man I feel the same. I like this guy a lot for his efforts in making videos of other specialities but…. If u quit then its on you man, either be like a person who dont give a shit about others or dont quit lol. No need to justify your life decisions cause its ultimately your own life. You can do anything you want just dont try giving justifications to others for the regret that you feel for the decision you have made. Still love his other vids tho😂❤
You do have a point but I think it is a necessary evil. Medicine has been hiding behind passion for their inability to improve especially for the practitioners and now in the modern world, they cannot get away with it because of social media platforms like this. It is like how in Christianity, only Priests could have access to the Bible, so it made their prestige very high then later, it got accessible then their prestige died off.
Well, this will happen if you insist he's justifying his leaving medicine. This is his experience: a hidden part of the career that he feels must be brought to light. And the essence of all these videos is true! Just allow him, or look somewhere else for other positive experiences in medicine.
Honestly, he’s just shedding light on a longstanding problem. Can tell you as a current fellow (recently graduated from residency), burnout is REAL in medicine and you can’t fully appreciate it until you’re in the thick of it. I don’t regret medicine, but I think he’s just warning people who view the field through rose colored glasses that it is brutal
Medicine is a great way to make money since it’s so straightforward and guarantees results with hard work. However, I think most people would leave (me) if they are able to make good money elsewhere (e.g. Kevin Jubbal).
I've seen so many people complaining about to much work, burnout, blah blah blah. Let me get in the fight. I got that military mindset where I had to go weeks or months without a break. I'm ready for this life.
facts 9/10 these are rich kids who grew up with not having to go through much, you wont see people who arent supposed to make it bitch like some of these people
@@467076 I thought the same when I was in med school. Imagine there are tons of jobs available and you choose medicine in 2024... Why did I do? Because I did not know how stupid job it is
Something is seriously wrong with some people! I spent close to 20 years as a college professor before I went back to school to become a doctor. I am probably the oldest person in my class! It is a dream I have had since childhood, but I could not achieve it due to many reasons including finances. After I became a US permanent resident, I took the MCAT and passed it enough to get one interview and one acceptance! If you know that you do not like your job, quit! We do not need you to poison people's heart. I spent a lifetime chasing this ambition!
when you say algorithm, i hope you mean yourself. my youtube ain't filled with negativity and jealousy. i'm an average girlie living for reaction commentary, kpop and marvel updates who occasionally follows a couple of med influencers who manage to talk about the reality of the situation. plus, i'm sure that if you did an analytic on this account of his, the views on the react videos aren't legendary (as opposed to the fake a day in my life as a paeds/neurosurgeon resident). you can diss all you want lmao but don't generalize and use that as a comeback :P
Bro decided to be a youtuber instead of finish his dream of becoming a doctor and now just makes videos bitching about the healthcare system instead of taking the opportunity he had to change it LOL
It’s very bureaucratic, very hard to change and not within his power. What he can do is discourage enough people from entering the field until the math becomes favorable again.😊
@@clvrdr8344 RUclipsr who dropped out of once in a lifetime residency opportunity now crying chronically on the internet to a bunch of wanna be doctor fans is really going to change the system
Its worse in india, One of my buddies told me in india they are only allotted 3mins to see a patient.
Its completely overwhelmed
3 mns !!! wow that's crazy
@@Zoster1 Well my buddy is Neurosurgery in india so im assuming they get an extra min or two for Surgical Questions and Pre-Op questions. But still its crazy 1mn - 3min is insane. Currently I think the fastest Ive been out of a room with a patient is 7mins and thats because Presentation was Easy
@@alainmedgyjean-jacques yea bro thats what he told me
@@cs7623 ya man if you are working in government hospitals then the patient flow in OPD is wayy too much and most of the doctors just don't care enough for their patients in my hospital and they just make it seem like they do their job unwillingly even though they are the ones who chose the job in govt hospital for it's good pay and cause most of them dont have sufficient skills,knowledge and confidence to work in corporate sector (not all of the doctors here are like that but most of them are). They just ask the chief complaint and just give medication. Most of them dont even care enough to explain what lifestyle modifications the patient needs to do or even act very annoyed all the time. They don't even care to explain timings of taking medicines here. Just see the patient,medication, bye bye to you. 😂
Sry for my ranting but it hurts me that poor people can't get medical attention and treatment the same as rich ones and trust me most of the doctors make it seem that way that they feel like they are some superior being but in reality we all are just humans.
It's true
Despite all the haters in the comments, medical students (such as myself) really benefit from your content Kevin so Thankyou!
"Can you handle it" perhaps isn't the right way to put it. It feeds into the narrative that only a select few are strong or capable enough to hack it as a doctor. We should be questioning the system itself, not people individually.
Valid point for sure
True. It’s the system, but that system is not going to change.
The unfortunate thing is it would make people with stamina go into surgery, not necessarily those with the surgical finesse and depth of anatomical knowledge.
Idk I think some people do thrive on it. The surgeon that saved me...couldn't have imagine anyone more cut out to become a surgeon. He absolutely thrived on it and loved the lifestyle.
The medical system is made to resist radical changes and the ones having power to do it are at top of their careers and they don't over work much so they don't want to change. I have seen the resistance put up by junior doctors , residents straight up shot down with consequences leading to rivilary between HoDs and them leading to high failure rates in University exams and extra load of unnecessary work out on them and hard punishments for small mistakes. @@kevinjubbalmd
It is crazy how toxicity perpetuates through the hierarchy in med schools in India. We need to break the chain :(
Please donot compare USA and INDIA
The condition is worse than you can even imagine
You don't even know how the healthcare workers survive in disgusting unhygienic atmosphere in govt hospitals to treat patients
We donot keep our patients waiting for months.
We see every patient that comes without an appointment.
Why are so many doctors shifting to usa if the work culture was similar.
For you to know how scary the work culture in India is ,you need to experience it.
I bet none of the Americans can survive a day treating the patients that way.
I am happy that despite all these adverse conditions god has given me the power to survive through this everyday .
Blessings and only Blessings
Hi, do you work in AIIMS?
Well said!
Sitting somewhere PPL just blindly judge..😂
Which is immature ,whn u experience this torture then u'll no the actual pain
I think in India if you graduate from a Government Medical College you pay minimum fees as compared to studying from a private medical colleges. I believe part of completing your MBBS (undergraduate degree) from a Government Medical college in India is that you are bound to complete your residency in a Government hospital (which are often free for the general public, where the majority of the patients are of poorer economic backgrounds). I think that is what Anuj is referring to @ 5:02 about quitting Medicine where the medical graduate has to repay the government of India for compensating for the minimum medical college fees (sometimes COMPLETELY free if you study at AIIMS) that you had to pay to study MBBS. I think the government of India believes that they invested in you and expect you to repay them by caring for the Indian public by completing your residency. For example, one of my friends from AFMC had to repay a significant amount to the government as he decided to leave India to the US to study Anesthesiology after completing his MBBS.
No, that's not exactly what he was referring to. If you take a PG admission in any of the colleges and you want to quit, you need to pay a significant amount (Idk the exact money but heard it's close to or much higher than the values mentioned in the video), so even if you are suffering, you can't quit as most middle income families don't have that kind of money and there's also societal pressure. What you are referrring to is the bond amount, most states have a certain duration of bond period which you are supposed to fulfill AFTER you finish the degree (like AFMC has 2 kinds of bonds - short term and long term, I can be wrong) and a few states also have bonds in which you need to work for "x" amount of years after MBBS. Most states have bonds to be done after you finish your PG (MD/MS), like Andhra Pradesh has a bond of 1 year after PG (most states have more than 1 year, I think Assam has a bond of 7 years) which you can pay 30 lakhs to not do it and get your degree. There are few exceptions to the bond system, most central institutes and deemed universities don't (like AIIMS, Manipal).
@@pradyumnakavatarapu9424 Thanks for enlightening me. Yeah, I think most likely my friend had to pay bond amount for leaving to the US after completing his MBBS from AFMC.
I always felt like Dr. Anuj's videos are somewhere inspired by your Med School Insiders videos. I've been your subscriber from the very beginning, so seeing you react to his videos feels like a full circle moment.
I dropped out n landed in nursing and I’m so happy as an er nurse tbh ❤
My daughter is a gynecologist, works in government hospital. She did work in one of the costliest private hospital in banglore . The head surgeon used to force those gynecologist to perform C-section and Bariatric surgery on patients .
They fired her within a year for not agreeing regarding c section .
Thank you Doctor Jubbal for all of your wonderful content! I was wondering if you did any videos about non traditional students? Believe it or not there are some after 40 who still want to be doctors. You have gone through medical school and residency. What do you know or think about non traditional students considering medical school ? Please forgive the question if you already did a video on the subject. Thank you again for all your content!🙏❤️
We have an upcoming reaction video on this topic! In short I think it’s great and more power to those people. I think there are some challenges and special considerations that I outline in that upcoming video
Thank you Dr Jubbal.
Actually what i think is mostly science major's like ; computer science, medical (doctors and surgeons) or maths or physics they all have problems they became unsatisfied because its much much more harder than expected , they literally sometimes hate their life, otherwise look at the high school teachers how happily they live and how comfortable they are in life.
You have no choice once you have chosen to be a surgeons. You have to save people's life ❣️
harsh in reality in America/Canada*.
Can you do a video on the Naturopathic Doctor title? I see some NDs saying that it’s the same med school training and then some with added courses such as botanical medicine and acupuncture. I’m curious on your take.
Hey Kevin,
I completed my MBBS at TMC, one of the most prestigious colleges in my country, after topping most of the exams I took post-high school. I thoroughly enjoyed my time there, but when my internship started, COVID hit hard, and I quickly found myself burnt out. It felt like being thrown into a war without any combat skills-just handed a rifle and told to fight. I can completely relate to the experience in this video. 😂
Like many others, I tried to hold everything together, but I ended up completely drained. I took a few years off to rediscover myself and figure out what I truly wanted to do.
Now, I’m developing a platform to enhance the learning experience for junior doctors, making them better equipped rather than getting stressed out. I’ve been following you and Ali Abdaal for years, and if either of you is interested in this cause, your insights would make a huge difference in driving meaningful change.
As for me, I initially decided to quit medicine to pursue an MBA and entrepreneurship. However, the time away from medical practice made me fall in love with it all over again, and I realized the impact I could have in making it better. It’s like the saying: don’t change your wife, work on improving things.
Now, I’ve started preparing for post-graduation while working on the project I mentioned earlier.
Thank you because working as a doctor is nowhere close to what I thought it to be. Truthfully, I don't like the level of expectations, people's entitlement to doctor's having a strong work ethic and being available to meet their needs and the relatively low pay compared to the hours and amount of effort we put in. The hours are tough with significant out of hours service, and we are just expected to keep giving our all for this profession and our career. I'm not surprised numerous doctors reach burnout. Things get worse when there is a shortage of medical doctors in your healthcare system, and it is expected that doctors "adjust" to the situation rather than prioritizing patient care and recruiting more doctors.
I think the sick and dying people are tired of doctors acting like they have it worse than the sick and dying people. They need help and instead doctors act like the ill and injured are burdens. Choose a different profession. I have news for you damn near everyone hates their jobs and get burnout. The only difference is the rest of us make 1/10 or less in a year than a doctor makes and we bankrupt ourselves to pay the doctors who gaslight us and treat us like we don't deserve care.
Just commenting for the algorithm 🧡
It's Worse in india, still, anywhere, doctors are the pathetic, overtime, all get, exhausted, it's the choice, to be in it or not, but, it's, the interest, that drives every doctors,
I'm an anatomy TA right now and I can't agree more!
Likely not. Doctors always end up so fucking jaded. ❤
Thanks for this video. I am a family nurse practitioner thinking of going back to med school to further my education. This helped me with making my decision. ❤ 😊
I feel like Kevin has been hating on medicine so hard ever since quitting. We get it, it’s not perfect. However, he has to remind us at least once a month by making a video about the negative aspects. Could be me, but I low key feel like he’s still trying to justify his decision of quitting. I really love the other videos but I’m tired of these ones.
True man I feel the same. I like this guy a lot for his efforts in making videos of other specialities but…. If u quit then its on you man, either be like a person who dont give a shit about others or dont quit lol. No need to justify your life decisions cause its ultimately your own life. You can do anything you want just dont try giving justifications to others for the regret that you feel for the decision you have made. Still love his other vids tho😂❤
You do have a point but I think it is a necessary evil. Medicine has been hiding behind passion for their inability to improve especially for the practitioners and now in the modern world, they cannot get away with it because of social media platforms like this. It is like how in Christianity, only Priests could have access to the Bible, so it made their prestige very high then later, it got accessible then their prestige died off.
Well, this will happen if you insist he's justifying his leaving medicine.
This is his experience: a hidden part of the career that he feels must be brought to light. And the essence of all these videos is true!
Just allow him, or look somewhere else for other positive experiences in medicine.
Honestly, he’s just shedding light on a longstanding problem. Can tell you as a current fellow (recently graduated from residency), burnout is REAL in medicine and you can’t fully appreciate it until you’re in the thick of it. I don’t regret medicine, but I think he’s just warning people who view the field through rose colored glasses that it is brutal
😂😂😂
🤞🤞🤞 such a good video to watch prior to starting medical school
Overhyped profession.
As a doctor....its not worth it
Medicine is a great way to make money since it’s so straightforward and guarantees results with hard work. However, I think most people would leave (me) if they are able to make good money elsewhere (e.g. Kevin Jubbal).
It's definitely not a great way to make money
I've seen so many people complaining about to much work, burnout, blah blah blah. Let me get in the fight. I got that military mindset where I had to go weeks or months without a break. I'm ready for this life.
Are you already in med school? And are you in USA?
@@bybbyabby-personal I'm in the U.S of A. Like I said, I'm ready.
facts 9/10 these are rich kids who grew up with not having to go through much, you wont see people who arent supposed to make it bitch like some of these people
@@467076 I thought the same when I was in med school. Imagine there are tons of jobs available and you choose medicine in 2024... Why did I do? Because I did not know how stupid job it is
@@467076lmao alright then, go on autopilot Mr. Attach Helicopter
I can handle it
Something is seriously wrong with some people! I spent close to 20 years as a college professor before I went back to school to become a doctor. I am probably the oldest person in my class! It is a dream I have had since childhood, but I could not achieve it due to many reasons including finances. After I became a US permanent resident, I took the MCAT and passed it enough to get one interview and one acceptance!
If you know that you do not like your job, quit! We do not need you to poison people's heart. I spent a lifetime chasing this ambition!
The toxicity in Medical Education is at level by itself
not worth it at all
🌚
???!?!
Negativity propagates faster so it's a marketing and for views.
That's not true.
@@SireCs133 youtube algorithm itself works that way infact all social media works on envy,jealousy and negativity.
when you say algorithm, i hope you mean yourself. my youtube ain't filled with negativity and jealousy. i'm an average girlie living for reaction commentary, kpop and marvel updates who occasionally follows a couple of med influencers who manage to talk about the reality of the situation.
plus, i'm sure that if you did an analytic on this account of his, the views on the react videos aren't legendary (as opposed to the fake a day in my life as a paeds/neurosurgeon resident). you can diss all you want lmao but don't generalize and use that as a comeback :P
Bro decided to be a youtuber instead of finish his dream of becoming a doctor and now just makes videos bitching about the healthcare system instead of taking the opportunity he had to change it LOL
It’s very bureaucratic, very hard to change and not within his power. What he can do is discourage enough people from entering the field until the math becomes favorable again.😊
He's achieved quite a lot. Getting into plastic surgery is a big deal. Takes something bigger to let go of all that.
@@clvrdr8344 RUclipsr who dropped out of once in a lifetime residency opportunity now crying chronically on the internet to a bunch of wanna be doctor fans is really going to change the system
I can handle it
No you can't
No you can't
@@sushamaranabhaumik3423Yes I can. Keep telling me otherwise.