@@stefanosterghiou oops sorry got my stock knowledge messed up so basically "mousike" in Ancient Greek context was defined as BOTH the melody (or the instrumental music) and the lyrics; if only the instrumental music was performed/played it was nonsense and wasn't considered "music"
@@盧璘壽로인수 what you wrote has no sense because you saying, music in ancient Greece defined as both the melody and the lyrics or the instrumental only and if only the instrumental music was performed it was nonsense and wasn't considered music. What you saying is a contradiction.
@@盧璘壽로인수 probably you don't understand what i said. What you wrote had nonsense. I didn't say i don't believe in research. To have a wrong conclusion when i wrote to you just something else is not good. Probably y need to pay more attention. Generally the ancient Greeks produce a lot of instrumental music and they studied it. I don't understand what's your point. You talking about Plato and Aristotle, when them was just in classical period. Ancient Greece had a story of more than 4000 years. And these two guys was in ancient Athens and not in ancient Greece.
The Ancient Greek kithara, well known for its use of high tensile spring steel cross-bar supports, was often accompanied by oil-derivative plastic ''skins'' over drums. There are countless recordings available from the era available to the modern-day listener: These are often dug up in the ruins of Ancient Greek cities all over America.
It's a track called "Deserts of the Real" from our debut release, Posse Comitatvs #1: Border's Edge, available now on vinyl in U.S. record stores and on all streaming platforms!
Awesome! You responded at exactly the right time, I used your video as an example for my musical appreciation class and I turn it in today! What are the odds
That's Irish tuning not ancient Greek, we know that a lot of ancient Greek music theory puts a big importance on tuning with tetrachords of s-T-T, s-s-Ts, qT-qT-DT or anything else in-between that ends up with a perfect forth and doesn't have a second first step bigger than a semitone and a second step bigger than a tone and the way you stack these tetrachords is either you start the second where the first one ends or you put a tone in-between them, so the final sound starting from the bottom note is either locrian of phrygian. Also they hated the sound of major thirds.
Never said this was a period piece or authentic performance practice from the time-only that it's a demonstration of the sound of the instrument. That being said, your description matches the ancient Greek construction of scales, but not the way they tuned lyre instruments, at least not according to Ptolemy. His iastiaiolia harmogai tuning begins with two whole-steps and resembles the modern mixolydian/dominant scale.
@@possecomitatvs yes, mixolydian is the 6th type of dia pason or sixth mode of the aristoxenian tetrachord tuning system and it's called hypophrygian and on a diagram is like: (s-T-T)(s-T-T)T T)T(s-T-T)(s-T
The ancient Greeks had several different instruments that would today be called lyres in English, among them barbitos and lyra. This one-made of wood with an elaborate frame and soundholes-was called the kithara/cithara.
now, that's nothing short of ridiculous. she plays the kithara like a harp, which is wrong and not quite free from quaint sounds 0:08 as she can't play half tones w/o having to adapt the chords' basic definition. where's the plectron, which was used by the Greeks to strike a chord ? the drummer to "accompany" her just makes me laugh just as he would have made the Greeks laugh.
I dont find anything funny about the playing style. She does like the ancient Greeks. As a Greek i see she playing with respect. This music is full of history. The kithara was before the harp. You need to reading more history.
There's an entire world of percussion options that would've actually suited that kithara - not all of them old-school, either. Freedom doesn't mean pairing every clashing flavour under the sun
@@RelativeLiberty "Freedom" means limiting one's artistic choices to options on a prescribed list, and capital punishment for those who deviate from it?
The Ancient Greek drummer kicks in at 1:28 🥁
He ruined it all
@@Elfrendar listen it on mute noob
I didn't think they were going to include him. But thank God they strove to keep things as they were back then!!!
Who spoiled the whole thing
Loved it as an addition to the end of the track
Amazing video and music! The Kithara is reconstructed by Anastasios Koumartzis, master luthier of Luthieros Music Instruments in Greece!
The instrument has a smiley face
Ancient Greek Kithara, but cannot unsee its cover designs •__• :3
Amazing what can be done with just nine strings and no frets.
Apart from Djent you mean
Just Beautiful
Thank you so much!
Ancient Greek brother jams in with drums
Beautiful! I always imagined what the ancients may have listened to and then potting a modern beat to it was surprising but awesome!
This is so beautiful, thank you!
Finally someone who can play it.
What an awesome and interesting instrument thank you for sharing this
Well that was delightful!
Sappho herself couldn't have done any better. I'm a guitar player but I've become very interested in learning the Kirthara.
you could just get a 9 string guitar and tune it like this kithara and have frets 😏
Very interesting!Never thought how much you can play with 7 single strings!
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@@nicolafiorillo4048
Shh... Xylfox is still learning how to count. 😂
Love this.
Beautiful
Me encanta estas cosas de instrumentos antiguos, es muy interesante. 😊😊
Beautiful sounds ❤
Absolutely superb .
Tone and technique .
Proud to hear my history in music.
Love from greece.
What you mean?@@盧璘壽로인수
@@stefanosterghiou
oops sorry got my stock knowledge messed up
so basically "mousike" in Ancient Greek context was defined as BOTH the melody (or the instrumental music) and the lyrics; if only the instrumental music was performed/played it was nonsense and wasn't considered "music"
@@盧璘壽로인수 what you wrote has no sense because you saying, music in ancient Greece defined as both the melody and the lyrics or the instrumental only and if only the instrumental music was performed it was nonsense and wasn't considered music.
What you saying is a contradiction.
@@stefanosterghiou well not my problem if you don't believe the studies of scholars and archeologists, I am just relating what I've read in the books
@@盧璘壽로인수 probably you don't understand what i said. What you wrote had nonsense. I didn't say i don't believe in research. To have a wrong conclusion when i wrote to you just something else is not good.
Probably y need to pay more attention.
Generally the ancient Greeks produce a lot of instrumental music and they studied it.
I don't understand what's your point.
You talking about Plato and Aristotle, when them was just in classical period. Ancient Greece had a story of more than 4000 years. And these two guys was in ancient Athens and not in ancient Greece.
Very soothing music, thank you.
I love her play in the instrumente ::)
Sweet. Oddly reminiscent of the Vulcan harp, minus the electronics. I like the string bending part, too.
İ love kithara s sound😍
thank you so much for this
The Ancient Greek kithara, well known for its use of high tensile spring steel cross-bar supports, was often accompanied by oil-derivative plastic ''skins'' over drums. There are countless recordings available from the era available to the modern-day listener: These are often dug up in the ruins of Ancient Greek cities all over America.
... America?
LMAO, thanks, this made me laugh so much and I needed that :)
@@sylvarias yeh, these artifacts are especially common at sites like Athens, Georgia; Ithaca, NY; and Olympia, Washington.
@@almishti and in testament to the wide reach of Greek culture, you can even find similar examples as far away as Palestine, TX
"high tensile spring steel cross-bar supports" wut?
Wow thats cool 🎶🎵
Звучание фантастическое ❤️
amazing really
Great!
Волшебно
It looks like it has a happy face on it
Wow!!!
out in the West Texas town of El Paso....
Only an experienced harp player can play like that
Researching the Notos Kithara from Odyssey of the Dragonlords
I'm unfamiliar with this but being a noob, sounds good to me.
I need one so I may join the crew of the Argo
Like a double pentatonic scale
Чудно
That can't be an accident that it looks like a cartoony smiley face... :)
Name sounds like gitara
Si la musique grecque ancienne ressemblait vraiment à ça, c 'est très proche d 'un instrument qu 'on connaît très bien .....la guitare !!!!
💐
How did you tune the Kithara? I can't find much info
In the top you turn the strings.
Beautiful. What'a the outro, btw?
It's a track called "Deserts of the Real" from our debut release, Posse Comitatvs #1: Border's Edge, available now on vinyl in U.S. record stores and on all streaming platforms!
The word guitar comes from kithara
who composed this?
I did!
Awesome! You responded at exactly the right time, I used your video as an example for my musical appreciation class and I turn it in today! What are the odds
Achilles
That's Irish tuning not ancient Greek, we know that a lot of ancient Greek music theory puts a big importance on tuning with tetrachords of s-T-T, s-s-Ts, qT-qT-DT or anything else in-between that ends up with a perfect forth and doesn't have a second first step bigger than a semitone and a second step bigger than a tone and the way you stack these tetrachords is either you start the second where the first one ends or you put a tone in-between them, so the final sound starting from the bottom note is either locrian of phrygian. Also they hated the sound of major thirds.
Never said this was a period piece or authentic performance practice from the time-only that it's a demonstration of the sound of the instrument. That being said, your description matches the ancient Greek construction of scales, but not the way they tuned lyre instruments, at least not according to Ptolemy. His iastiaiolia harmogai tuning begins with two whole-steps and resembles the modern mixolydian/dominant scale.
@@possecomitatvs yes, mixolydian is the 6th type of dia pason or sixth mode of the aristoxenian tetrachord tuning system and it's called hypophrygian and on a diagram is like:
(s-T-T)(s-T-T)T
T)T(s-T-T)(s-T
Yes, but the ancient mixolydian has nothing to do with the modern modes or my point above.
I'm sorry, but all I see is the :3 on the instrument
بديع
Kithara Türk kanunu değil mi ya bunu da mı çalmışlar
1:27 ruined it. 😑
Isn't this a Lyra? The ancient Greek instrument is Lyra.
The Lyra is made using a turtle shell.
The ancient Greeks had several different instruments that would today be called lyres in English, among them barbitos and lyra. This one-made of wood with an elaborate frame and soundholes-was called the kithara/cithara.
This is a kithara. Lyra is similar.
Кифара - гитара - ситар....
broo.. this drums just ruined the whole vibe
100%
Et ....huuuum ....il y avait de la batterie dans la Grèce antique ? Ah bon ??🤔😳
Ce n'est pas une restauration de la musique grecque. Simplement une exposition de l'instrument.
Well did those drums ruin it
Quite a kawaii instrument tho
now, that's nothing short of ridiculous. she plays the kithara like a harp, which is wrong and not quite free from quaint sounds 0:08 as she can't play half tones w/o having to adapt the chords' basic definition. where's the plectron, which was used by the Greeks to strike a chord ? the drummer to "accompany" her just makes me laugh just as he would have made the Greeks laugh.
Show me your awesome videos .
I’m sure your hate filled imagination must be full
of them ..
I think Apollo would have laughed, then started boping his head with it till he decides to join in with his Kythara
"Quaint sounds"? Iconography-artwork from pottery, mosaics, etc.-indicated that the plectrum was not used 100% of the time in kithara playing.
@@Me-yq1fl define
I dont find anything funny about the playing style. She does like the ancient Greeks.
As a Greek i see she playing with respect. This music is full of history.
The kithara was before the harp.
You need to reading more history.
More auto tune
Who’s genius idea was it to ruin this with the “Basketball American” banging on a modern day drum kit?? 🙄🤪
What?
People, please stop complaining, the drummer is merely a freed slave brought from the Roman provinces!
The black guy on drums ruined it.
Absolutely beautiful, but whoever decided this song needed a drumkit groove should take a long walk off a short pier
RIP to letting others "think freely" and "[explore] about art."
There's an entire world of percussion options that would've actually suited that kithara - not all of them old-school, either. Freedom doesn't mean pairing every clashing flavour under the sun
@@RelativeLiberty "Freedom" means limiting one's artistic choices to options on a prescribed list, and capital punishment for those who deviate from it?