That’s correct. The Messiah/Christ is YHWH Himself, incarnate as a man (Matt.1:22-23; Jn.1:1,14; 14:28) but Jesus of Nazareth is ABSOLUTELY NOT DIVINE (Heb.2:17). Simonline🏴🤔🙏😀👍
He doesn’t explain it perfectly, far from it?! Absolutely NOTHING can exist as both ‘fully God’ and ‘fully man’ since existing as either ‘fully God’ or ‘fully man’ cancels out the other?! 🤦♂️ It’s a metaphysical impossibility! The Messiah/Christ simultaneously Exists as BOTH authentic Divine Creator AND authentic human creature by means of TWO distinct but NOT separate NATURES (the hypostatic union). This is how the Messiah/Christ simultaneously exists as BOTH God AND man. It is the Messiah/Christ, rather than ‘Jesus’, Who is Emmanuel - God with us (Matt.1:22-23). Simonline🏴🤔🙏😀👍
@Psalm, 82:6 , If Jesus was the one who said, "You are gods , the sons of most high,"but you shall die like men," can anybody name one of those he called gods?
Thought I explained it well enough, but just to reiterate, Jesus had flesh, that flesh has a God, he certainly wasn’t an atheist. The nature that God added to himself, was of creation, therefor it had a God. But doesn’t make the deity of Christ any less true. The concept of the Trinity, is the Son is fully and God and fully man, and in the incarnation, the son has submitting himself to the father, in his role as high priest and mediator. John 20:17 doesn’t diminish the Trinity is any way.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry The truth is, Jesus never claimed to be God, but he repeatedly spoke of himself as "God's Son." Even his enemies acknowledged this. (John 10:36; 19:7) Jesus was ever conscious of exalting the Father and subordinating himself to Him, as he confessed: "The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son also does in like manner. I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative.....because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me." Again, he said: "I am a representative from him, and that One sent me forth." He also said: "From God I came forth and am here. ( John 5:19, 30; 7:28, 29; 8:42) Jesus never suggested that he was God or was equal to him. So to teach such a thing dishonors Jesus.
@@johncolage1651 Jesus never claimed to be God? Go read John 10:27-30, or John 14, John 5. Actually go read Revelation 22:12-23, then read revelation 2:18-23, really focus on that verse 23. After that, read Jeremiah 17:10.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry A BOOK OF TRUE PROPHECY "No prophecy of Scripture springs from any private interpretation," says 2 Peter 1:20. Bible prophets did not analyze trends in existing world affairs and then make educated guesses based on their personal interpretation of those developments. Neither did they utter vague predictions that could be made to fit just about any future happening. You sure are one of the Bible's worst enemy.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry Jumping in super-late here, but if the Trinity is so "Explicit' (a word some on here have used) why are we arguing about it? Why does Jesus - as some say - claim to be God in some verses, but then walk back from it at other places in the gospel? There are accounts were he is handed such opportunities to reveal himself 'On a silver platter', as the saying goes. You claim he does in John 10. How? Verse 36 sure looks like a refutation to me. Under another video I point out in a discussion with somebody, Matthew 16:15, 16 "15 He said to them: “You, though, who do you say I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered: “You are the Christ, the SON OF the living God.”" How did Jesus respond? 'Almost. I am he. I'm Jehovah'. Nope! Jesus was happy with his answer, and beyond that, he even said "...“Happy you are, Simon son of Joʹnah, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but MY FATHER IN THE HEAVENS DID." (Vs. 17). You know, the one who said at Jesus' baptism and the transfiguration vision that Jesus was - not a manifestation of him - but his "Son". So I ask again: Taking into consideration the importance of knowing exactly who God is, according to John 17:3, where are the explicit verses that have Jesus saying 'I am God'. 'I am Jehovah'. Where, where, where???
[5:17] Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is the Messiah, the son of Mary. Say, "Who could oppose GOD if He willed to annihilate the Messiah, son of Mary, and his mother, and everyone on earth?" To GOD belongs the sovereignty of the heavens and the earth, and everything between them. He creates whatever He wills. GOD is Omnipotent.
▪︎Surah 112:3-4 he neither begets or born. ■Surah 39:29 Only relationship we can have with Allah is like slave to master.... master to slave. Quran it says..... Surah 5:17-18...... Christian and Jews say they're the sons of Allah and say that the messiah is God. Muhammad says you're not you're only a creature. Surah 9:30 The Jews say, “Ezra is the son of Allah,” while the Christians say, “The Messiah is the son of Allah.” we're condemned. Surah 19:88-93 we're slaves to Allah, Allah says he doesn't have any offspring. ●Issue is that Muhammad didn't understand that.... 5:18 Jews and Christians say to be the sons of Allah..... BUT MEANING SPIRITUALLY, NOT PHYSICAL. ■So Muhammad didn't even know what Christians and Jews believed.
@@refr1983 why would anyone in their right mind believe the Quran when it was put together over 600 years after Jesus lived when we already had full bibles at the time the Quran was written! Think about it! The New Testament has already been proven to be reliable and historically accurate. Jesus Was the Christ and he did die historically and he rose again the third day. Some examples are the writings of Flavius josephus, and the annals of Tacitus. God didn’t literally have relations with a women and birthed Jesus! That’s madness and unbiblical! Jesus Christ was the “only begotten” of the Father which means the unique one. Jesus was a man because we know he ate, slept, and even wept. But we see that God was In Christ Jesus according to Colossians 2:9 and 1 Timothy 3:16. The trinity is a lie from hell because the Word of God teaches there is only ONE LORD and that Lord is Jesus Christ! God bless you in the name of Jesus Christ my Muslim friend.
@@SunnyLaraJr. lol who said I'm Muslim. you didn't understand what I said I was just trying to make a point that clearly went over your head. I'm a Trinitarian not because that's what I was taught but because the Bible says it.
@@refr1983 If you’re a Trinitarian believer then why are you quoting the Scriptures of another false religion to make a point?! Are the Judeo-Christian Scriptures insufficient (Ps.119:18; 2Tim.3:16-17; Heb.4:11-12)?! 😲 Simonline🏴🤔🙏😀👍
🙄 *WHAT A WEAK ARGUMENT.* So, Jesus told Mary to tell his disciples he must ascend to G'd ... yet refuses to explain to his disciples that he is also G'd ????? *THAT DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE.*
@@LightoverDarkMinistrynot really bro. Thomas refers to Jesus and the father as God. So when Thomas said to Jesus my God you take it literally? And then when Jesus said My God and your God you have to explain things? Get some verses that kinda connect on it? Talking about explicitly saying things man. Look. Even if you read John 17:1-3 Jesus said there is one true God which is the Father. What about when Jesus said Me and the father are one? What he means by that is their purpose which you can read on john 17:21-25. Peace and may the Father calls you.
Well, it’s like this … 1 Timothy 3:16 says that Jesus is God manifest in the flesh. That gives Him the nature of God, since He is God. The idea of a second nature comes not from 1 Timothy 3:16, but from other verses that teach that He had a human body and had human frailties. Those are all over the place in the Gospels. But the doctrine of the dual nature of Jesus comes from reconciling those verses that teach about His deity and those verses that teach about his humanity. You have to make sense of all the verses … Just sayin’
@@toddstevens9667 Yeah thanks for just saying… However, I fail to see the first nature as the Greek verse 16 says no such thing to the effect “Jesus is God manifest in the flesh” Jesus being a human is not at issue. Just curious what are some of frailties Jesus had are you speaking about, considering you believe he was more than a man?
@@jahtruthdefender well He had to eat and sleep. Those are human frailties that God doesn’t have. But as to 1 Timothy 3:16, I’m afraid there are great many translators and Greek scholars who disagree with you. Anyway, thanks for your thoughts 😃
@@toddstevens9667 Frailty has nothing to do with eating and sleeping. You are in effect saying God created us with "the condition of being weak and delicate" Look up the word and its similarities. Nothing positive there.. Many Greek & Trinitarian bible scholars would also agree "God" is not in the earliest extant MSS of 1 Timothy 3:16 but “he” (NIV; RSV; NRSV; JB; NJB; REB; NAB [‘70]; AT; GNB; CBW; and Beck’s translation), “he who” (ASV; NASB; NEB; MLB; BBE; Phillips; and Moffatt), “who,” or “which.” Even the equally old Douay version has “which was manifested in the flesh.” All the very best modern NT texts by trinitarian scholars (including Westcott and Hort, Nestle, and the text by the United Bible Societies) have the NT Greek word ὃς (“who”) here instead of θεὸς (“God”).Why do the very best trinitarian scholars support this NON-trinitarian translation of 1 Tim. 3:16? One example from one of the most prominent *Trinitarian NT Scholar* Dr. Frederick C. Grant writes: “A capital example [of NT manuscript changes] is found in 1 Timothy 3:16, where ‘OS’ (OC or ὃς, ‘who’) was later taken for theta sigma with a bar above, which stood for theos (θεὸς, ‘god’). Since the new reading suited …. the orthodox doctrine of the church [trinitarian, at this later date], it got into many of the later manuscripts .....” - p. 656, Encyclopedia Americana, vol. 3, 1957 ed. (This same statement by Dr. Grant was still to be found in the latest Encyclopedia Americana that I examined - the 1990 ed., pp.696-698, vol. 3.) And thanks for your thoughts too😃
@@jahtruthdefender Ahhhh, I see. It says God was manifest in the flesh … then describes Jesus’ ministry. Therefore, the clear implication is Jesus is God manifest in the flesh. Sorry, I’m kinda slow sometimes lol. By the way, who is Jah and how did you become his (or her) ambassador? I’m not familiar with that person?
Yes it does....................Jesus is going to HIS GOD and to HIS FATHER, so can you tell us please WHO is the God of Jesus who is HIS GOD, what is his name ......Regards
YHWH is the name of the triune God, not just the Father. The Father is called YHWH, Jesus is called YHWH, and the Spirit is called YHWH. If the Bible calls Jesus YHWH, is Jesus then YHWH?
Matthew 24:36 and John 5:19 proved that jesus doesn't possess the knowledge of the hour and that he can't do anything on his own as he just followed what the father is doing. Heck jesus dying for our sins is contradicting Deuteronomy 24:16 Parents are not to be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their parents; each will die for their own sin. Meaning the bible doesn't agree that someone else needs to die for your sins.
Be aware that Jesus never spoke parables to his followers, so, how did John knew and wrote this if Mary did not obey and did what Jesus instructed her, "go and tell my brethrens that i ascend to my father, and your father, to my God and your God,"so, those who were gathered by the false prophet's tri unclean spirits from his mouth couldn't twist these scripture,
The whole Bible says that Jesus isn’t God?! 🤦♂️ It is the Messiah/Christ Who simultaneously exists as both Divine Creator and human creature. As Divine Creator the Messiah/Christ is YHWH NOT Jesus of Nazareth whilst as human creature the Messiah/Christ is Jesus of Nazareth NOT YHWH! If ‘Jesus is God’ [the very idea is utterly moronic] then Jn.1:29 is an out and out lie because divine nature is, by definition, immortal 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ You CANNOT eat your cake and have it. Either Jesus of Nazareth is an authentic human creature who sacrificed Himself upon the cross for the sins of the world (in which case Jn.1:29 is absolutely true) or Jesus is God and therefore, couldn’t possibly have atoned for the sins of the world?! Hardly rocket science but still completely beyond the comprehension of most Christians?! Simonline🏴🤔🙏😀👍
Loool if jesus says mine and your god, then somone calling him god, how does that make him god? So if someone called me god im god? 🤣🤣🤣 obv he called jesus hes god outta respect, like i call my mom boss, shes not my boss (she is) shes my mom
🚨 [17:57] Even the idols that they implore are seeking the ways and means towards their Lord. They pray for His mercy, and fear His retribution. Surely, the retribution of your Lord is dreadful. Psalm 82:6 Living Bible 6 I have called you all “gods” and “sons of the Most High.” ❌ *For those CLAIMING to be god(dess):* 9 You will no longer say that you are a god when you face those who kill you. *You will be a human, not a god, in the hands of those who K I L L you.* Ezekiel 28:9 (GW) 🎇🏁 “And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?” Matthew (27:46) Isaiah 42:8 GOD’S WORD Translation 8 I am the Lord; that is my name. I will not give my glory to anyone else or the praise I deserve to idols.
Without accepting what Jesus clearly stated at John 20:17, finding excuses to disbelieve the truth is pathetic. Analogies and diagrams won't override the truth.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry :(John 20:28) In answer Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!” Did we find the other apostles saying: "Really Thomas! Jesus is God?". And then everyone fall all over the place worshiping Jesus? No such thing occurred as the others know what Thomas meant. After Thomas realized that Jesus was an angel God had sent, he followed the custom of addressing angels SENT by God as God. See Judges Chapter 13 in the incident with Manoah. John who recorded the Thomas incident wouldn't write in clear unambiguous language: 'No man has SEEN God at ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12,20, IF he even believed for a moment that Jesus was God. John had grown up and around Jesus. I suppose the qualifier 'AT ANY TIME' is understood. It takes in ALL POSSIBILITIES.
@@tongakhan230 Who was Thomas talking to? Let's pull apart the Greek. And he said to him(Jesus) The Lord of me, and the God of me. He says that to Jesus. Calls him his God, and Jesus blesses him for it. Also there is no custom as addressing angels sent by God as God. Mary does not do this, and many others when they encounter angels do NOT refer to them as God. That belongs only to The Malak of YHWH who is YHWH. "After Thomas realized that Jesus was an angel God had sent," Sorry but that is NOT what scripture says. Hebrews chapter one goes into great lengths to explain that Jesus isn't an angel. Also they worshiped Jesus 9 times in the New Testiment, and all creation worships him in Rev 5:12-14 and is given holy worship in Rev 21:3. As far as seeing God, I address this in a video ---> ruclips.net/video/mv2xdkx8boc/видео.html
@@LightoverDarkMinistry I was never a JWs and my only experience with their church was agreeing to do Bible Studies with them in college. This lasted several months and ended when I graduated and moved back home. These were very awkward Bible Studies because the JWs never answered any of my critical thinking questions...not even one! They often tried to rush through lessons knowing a critical question 🙋 would come up. I would ask a question and then total silence! After the silence they'll say, "You know due to limited time let's not get off course or we'll research and address that for next week studies" What they could not get was that I sincerely wanted to understand their teachings but more importantly wanted clarification and irrefutable proof directly from the Bible which ironically one was never opened. It was all digital literature from an iPad and click this verse here. I realized that I was receiving a lot of answers that couldn't be questioned and had a lot of questions they wouldn't answer. In conclusion I could never join a group or church were I could not question their teachings for further clarification or understanding. It's literally a form of mind control at that point if I did.
It says Jesus at that time, had not ascended back to *his God and*his Father. The God and Father **-of-** Jesus 1 Peter 1:3. Hebrews 9:24 But Paul says Jesus went into heaven itself to appear before the presence of God.( his God his Father) as Jesus told Mary. Matthew 16:13-16 while (Jesus the Son) of the God, (living on Earth), reminded Peter, that it was (his) (Father in heaven) that had revealed truth unto Peter. (God anointed) Jesus Acts 10:38......**10:40** -(God raised) Jesus out of death. Hebrews 1:3 - Jesus sat down (at the right) hand (of the Majesty)on High. Jesus the Son (of) God. (God gave)..His* only-begotten (Son) John 3:16. The Lamb (of) God John 1:29. Revelation 5:5,6 the Lamb that was slain. Stood before the throne of God. Revelation 1:1,2 Revelation which (God gave unto him) ie. Jesus. ❤Lord bless 🪔
Psalm 82:6 Living Bible 6 I have called you all “gods” and “sons of the Most High.” ❎ *For those CLAIMING to be god(dess):* 9 You will no longer say that you are a god when you face those who k--- you. *You will be a human, not a god, in the hands of those who K I L L you.* Ezekiel 28:9 (GW) 🎇🏁 “And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?” Matthew (27:46) Isaiah 42:8 GOD’S WORD Translation 8 I am the Lord; that is my name. I will not give my glory to anyone else or the praise I deserve to idols. 👁 6👂6 Have they not seen how many generations before them we have annihilated? We established them on earth more than we did for you, and we showered them with blessings, generously, and we provided them with flowing streams. We then annihilated them because of their sins, and we substituted another generation in their place. 6👂66 Your people have rejected this, even though it is the truth. 😔 I am not a guardian over you. 😔
Also.......You have to understand that in the Bible the word for God is "Elohim" and means "Mighty ones" Now in today's modern language we have restricted the word "God" to mean the "almighty" basically the creator, but that was NOT so in the Bible days ! And I will show you. For example did you know that people, kings and judges in the Bible were CALLED Gods ? To illustrate, Psalms 82 says: (now this is God speaking) 1 God takes his place in the divine assembly; In the middle of the gods* he judges: And Vs 6 “I have said, ‘You are gods, All of you are sons of the Most High. Wow, did you notice how even Jehovah calls them "Gods" and HE says "I have said "You are Gods" ......so the question is HOW were they Gods ? And when you have come up with the answer to that, then you will answered the question "How can Jesus be a God " ! Did you know Moses too was called "God" so was not that polytheism ? So if God can give the title of God to angles and people then WHY can't he give the same title to his son? You cannot allow the restrictive use of the word "God" in today's modern English language to restrict the way the term was used in Bible times !
Thanks for the comment. You said... “in the Bible the word for God is "Elohim" and means "Mighty ones" > Elohim means God, actually it’s plural but doesn’t not mean mighty ones. Mighty is gibbor, “have said, ‘You are gods, All of you are sons of the Most High. “ >Psalms is using this in a mocking tone, these are unjust judges, put in a position to rule the people, however God is still their ruler. Notice how it calls them false, how they are abusing their power and will die like men, they thought they were above reproach, thought they were gods. “! Did you know Moses too was called "God" so was not that polytheism ? “ > That’s adding words to scripture, Moses was not called a God, he said he would be LIKE a god TO pharaoh. “Exodus 7:1“See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh” “So if God can give the title of God to angles and people then WHY can't he give the same title to his son? You cannot allow the restrictive use of the word "God" in today's modern English language to restrict the way the term was used in Bible times !” >Except Jesus isn’t just called god he’s called YHWH, Hebrews 1:10-12, John 12:38-41, Rev 22:12-13, and many more.”
@@LightoverDarkMinistry Elohim in Hebrew is the royal plural, not numeric plural. We have the same two types of plurals in Arabic. For example محمدا رسول الله muhamadan rasul Allah. Muhammad is in the plural of respect form. It does not mean multiple Muhammads.
John 20v17 speak of two persons Jessus and Jehovah nothing more one is going to another thats all,it ia not question of god or not god¹ as for Jessus Jehovah is theONLY true God Read JOHN 17v3,6,26.
@@Celestium.1s still give all authority and glory to God. I believe these were later additions to John as well. Because the texts have been altered and added to.
Are you a Good Person? Let’s check and see! Have you ever lied? Or have you ever stolen? (Even if it was something small) Have you ever taken the Lord's Name in vain? (Saying: “Oh my G*d” or things like that) Now, have you ever hated anyone? If you have ever done any of those things, you would be either a liar, a thief, a blasphemer(for taking God’s Name in vain), or a murderer at heart (1 John 3:15 tells us that having hate in your heart for someone else would make you a “murderer at heart”) or maybe even all of them. And that was only some of the Ten Commandments. So we have all sinned against God and we therefore deserve death. (Romans 3:23 & 6:23) And as a result, none of us are good, nor good people. In other words, let’s say that I was speeding on the road, and now i’m in court. And according to the judge, I am to be sentenced to time in jail. But, if someone comes into that courtroom and pays my speeding fine, I can walk out of that courtroom without having to serve the time in jail. Likewise, we are all criminals through sin, and we deserve Hell. Yet Christ took the punishment that we deserve, put it upon Himself, and “payed our fine” through His death (on the cross) and resurrection. Now through REPENTANCE, which is a change of mind about sin (in other words: turning away from sin and understanding your need of a Savior), and by FAITH in CHRIST we can be saved. So, its NOT by our “good deeds” that we are saved, (as Catholics and other religions may say) because none of us are good, nor can our “good deeds” make us good. Instead, we are saved solely by God’s Grace through our Faith. (Ephesians 2:8-9) And once you are Saved, you do not continue to live following the evil ways of sin, but you instead live following the righteous ways of Christ.
This verse completely diminishes the idea that Jesus is Almighty God. John 5:26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself. John 5:30 By myself, I can do nothing… John 5:19 The Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees the Father doing, because whatever the Father does, the Son does also. John 14:28 The Father is greater than I. These are are just a few obvious counters you your claim of Jesus being God. How is it you cannot see that?
Doesn't the Quran confirm the legitimacy of the scriptures? Surah 10:94 If you ˹O Prophet˺ are in doubt about ˹these stories˺ that We have revealed to you, then ask those who read the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so do not be one of those who doubt, Surah 5:68 Say: "O People of the Book! Ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the Gospel and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord...."
@@LightoverDarkMinistry the Quran confirms the actual Torah and Injil(Gospel revealed to Jesus). The Gospel revealed to Jesus, is not the New Testament or the first four books of it. This can be confirmed in Luke 4:18. Jesus mentioned that he was to preach the Gospel. The New Testament was not written when Jesus made that statement. With regards to the Tenakh, the idea that Jesus is divine, is greatly opposed by the Jewish Bible. This is one main the reason why Jews reject Christianity. The idea that Jesus was divine is considered idolatry in the highest order according to the Tenakh.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry According to the book of Luke, in 4:18, Jesus was said to have said that the Spirit of God had annointed him to preach the Gospel.
All of scripture agrees that Christ is God.
Amen
That’s correct. The Messiah/Christ is YHWH Himself, incarnate as a man (Matt.1:22-23; Jn.1:1,14; 14:28) but Jesus of Nazareth is ABSOLUTELY NOT DIVINE (Heb.2:17).
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Yes, Christ is the Son of God.
Jesus, the Son of Man.
Many are confused by that. Blessings friend.
@@simonline1194 DEVIL ... GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE AND STOP YOUR BS GAMES!
@@simonline1194 Btw, some out there have the sole soul mission to *REMOVE DIVINE ONE'S FROM PHYSICAL!*
Finally someone who can explain this perfectly and in just a few minutes! God bless you!
That was my aim! Glad to see it worked :D
He doesn’t explain it perfectly, far from it?! Absolutely NOTHING can exist as both ‘fully God’ and ‘fully man’ since existing as either ‘fully God’ or ‘fully man’ cancels out the other?! 🤦♂️ It’s a metaphysical impossibility!
The Messiah/Christ simultaneously Exists as BOTH authentic Divine Creator AND authentic human creature by means of TWO distinct but NOT separate NATURES (the hypostatic union). This is how the Messiah/Christ simultaneously exists as BOTH God AND man. It is the Messiah/Christ, rather than ‘Jesus’, Who is Emmanuel - God with us (Matt.1:22-23).
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@@LightoverDarkMinistry the book of Mormon says Jesus is the father and son does that mean he was not the son before made flesh?
@heuehbddjjxifrhehjz1978 the Father is the soul of the Godhead Jesus is the visible bodily form of God
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Thanks again
And Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord.
What verse?
Jesus WARNED TO LET NO MAN FOOL YOU IN REGARDS TO CHRIST!
God bless
@Psalm, 82:6 , If Jesus was the one who said, "You are gods , the sons of most high,"but you shall die like men," can anybody name one of those he called gods?
If Thomas called Jesus god why would Jesus tell Mary I’m going to my god and your god?
Yes it diminishes the trinity.
Thought I explained it well enough, but just to reiterate, Jesus had flesh, that flesh has a God, he certainly wasn’t an atheist. The nature that God added to himself, was of creation, therefor it had a God. But doesn’t make the deity of Christ any less true. The concept of the Trinity, is the Son is fully and God and fully man, and in the incarnation, the son has submitting himself to the father, in his role as high priest and mediator. John 20:17 doesn’t diminish the Trinity is any way.
No one in the history of mankind is nearly as confused as the Christians..
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How can i understand that Jeremiah jehova is specifically saying about the father...
Did Thomas call Jesus my God as in the God of the flesh
01:07 I also knew this. Thank you
Psalms 110:1---Jehovah declared to my Lord: "Sit down at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for you feet. Also John 5 :19.
John 5:19, Jesus is saying he replicates there Father perfectly. He’s calling himself equal with God.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry The truth is, Jesus never claimed to be God, but he repeatedly spoke of himself as "God's Son." Even his enemies acknowledged this. (John 10:36; 19:7) Jesus was ever conscious of exalting the Father and subordinating himself to Him, as he confessed: "The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son also does in like manner. I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative.....because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me." Again, he said: "I am a representative from him, and that One sent me forth." He also said: "From God I came forth and am here. ( John 5:19, 30; 7:28, 29; 8:42) Jesus never suggested that he was God or was equal to him. So to teach such a thing dishonors Jesus.
@@johncolage1651 Jesus never claimed to be God? Go read John 10:27-30, or John 14, John 5. Actually go read Revelation 22:12-23, then read revelation 2:18-23, really focus on that verse 23. After that, read Jeremiah 17:10.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry A BOOK OF TRUE PROPHECY
"No prophecy of Scripture springs from any private interpretation," says 2 Peter 1:20. Bible prophets did not analyze trends in existing world affairs and then make educated guesses based on their personal interpretation of those developments. Neither did they utter vague predictions that could be made to fit just about any future happening.
You sure are one of the Bible's worst enemy.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry Jumping in super-late here, but if the Trinity is so "Explicit' (a word some on here have used) why are we arguing about it? Why does Jesus - as some say - claim to be God in some verses, but then walk back from it at other places in the gospel? There are accounts were he is handed such opportunities to reveal himself 'On a silver platter', as the saying goes. You claim he does in John 10. How? Verse 36 sure looks like a refutation to me.
Under another video I point out in a discussion with somebody, Matthew 16:15, 16
"15 He said to them: “You, though, who do you say I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered: “You are the Christ, the SON OF the living God.”" How did Jesus respond? 'Almost. I am he. I'm Jehovah'. Nope! Jesus was happy with his answer, and beyond that, he even said "...“Happy you are, Simon son of Joʹnah, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but MY FATHER IN THE HEAVENS DID." (Vs. 17). You know, the one who said at Jesus' baptism and the transfiguration vision that Jesus was - not a manifestation of him - but his "Son".
So I ask again: Taking into consideration the importance of knowing exactly who God is, according to John 17:3, where are the explicit verses that have Jesus saying 'I am God'. 'I am Jehovah'. Where, where, where???
[5:17] Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is the Messiah, the son of Mary. Say, "Who could oppose GOD if He willed to annihilate the Messiah, son of Mary, and his mother, and everyone on earth?" To GOD belongs the sovereignty of the heavens and the earth, and everything between them. He creates whatever He wills. GOD is Omnipotent.
▪︎Surah 112:3-4 he neither begets or born.
■Surah 39:29 Only relationship we can have with Allah is like slave to master.... master to slave.
Quran it says.....
Surah 5:17-18...... Christian and Jews say they're the sons of Allah and say that the messiah is God. Muhammad says you're not you're only a creature.
Surah 9:30 The Jews say, “Ezra is the son of Allah,” while the Christians say, “The Messiah is the son of Allah.” we're condemned.
Surah 19:88-93 we're slaves to Allah, Allah says he doesn't have any offspring.
●Issue is that Muhammad didn't understand that....
5:18 Jews and Christians say to be the sons of Allah..... BUT MEANING SPIRITUALLY, NOT PHYSICAL.
■So Muhammad didn't even know what Christians and Jews believed.
@@refr1983 why would anyone in their right mind believe the Quran when it was put together over 600 years after Jesus lived when we already had full bibles at the time the Quran was written! Think about it! The New Testament has already been proven to be reliable and historically accurate. Jesus Was the Christ and he did die historically and he rose again the third day. Some examples are the writings of Flavius josephus, and the annals of Tacitus. God didn’t literally have relations with a women and birthed Jesus! That’s madness and unbiblical! Jesus Christ was the “only begotten” of the Father which means the unique one. Jesus was a man because we know he ate, slept, and even wept. But we see that God was In Christ Jesus according to Colossians 2:9 and 1 Timothy 3:16. The trinity is a lie from hell because the Word of God teaches there is only ONE LORD and that Lord is Jesus Christ! God bless you in the name of Jesus Christ my Muslim friend.
@@SunnyLaraJr. lol who said I'm Muslim. you didn't understand what I said I was just trying to make a point that clearly went over your head. I'm a Trinitarian not because that's what I was taught but because the Bible says it.
Sorry, but this isn’t about Islam. This is about the Truth as revealed by YHWH through the Judeo-Christian Scriptures.
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@@refr1983 If you’re a Trinitarian believer then why are you quoting the Scriptures of another false religion to make a point?! Are the Judeo-Christian Scriptures insufficient (Ps.119:18; 2Tim.3:16-17; Heb.4:11-12)?! 😲
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WHO was writing ..he said she said ...in TOMB ....its a STORY ...duh
🙄 *WHAT A WEAK ARGUMENT.* So, Jesus told Mary to tell his disciples he must ascend to G'd ... yet refuses to explain to his disciples that he is also G'd ????? *THAT DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE.*
And yet his disciples weren’t confused when they called him God 11 verses later.
@@LightoverDarkMinistrynot really bro. Thomas refers to Jesus and the father as God. So when Thomas said to Jesus my God you take it literally? And then when Jesus said My God and your God you have to explain things? Get some verses that kinda connect on it? Talking about explicitly saying things man. Look. Even if you read John 17:1-3 Jesus said there is one true God which is the Father. What about when Jesus said Me and the father are one? What he means by that is their purpose which you can read on john 17:21-25. Peace and may the Father calls you.
I would like to understand just how one can read out of 1 tim 3:16 that Christ has two natures
Well, it’s like this … 1 Timothy 3:16 says that Jesus is God manifest in the flesh. That gives Him the nature of God, since He is God. The idea of a second nature comes not from 1 Timothy 3:16, but from other verses that teach that He had a human body and had human frailties. Those are all over the place in the Gospels. But the doctrine of the dual nature of Jesus comes from reconciling those verses that teach about His deity and those verses that teach about his humanity. You have to make sense of all the verses … Just sayin’
@@toddstevens9667 Yeah thanks for just saying… However, I fail to see the first nature as the Greek verse 16 says no such thing to the effect “Jesus is God manifest in the flesh”
Jesus being a human is not at issue. Just curious what are some of frailties Jesus had are you speaking about, considering you believe he was more than a man?
@@jahtruthdefender well He had to eat and sleep. Those are human frailties that God doesn’t have. But as to 1 Timothy 3:16, I’m afraid there are great many translators and Greek scholars who disagree with you. Anyway, thanks for your thoughts 😃
@@toddstevens9667 Frailty has nothing to do with eating and sleeping. You are in effect saying God created us with "the condition of being weak and delicate" Look up the word and its similarities. Nothing positive there..
Many Greek & Trinitarian bible scholars would also agree "God" is not in the earliest extant MSS of 1 Timothy 3:16 but “he” (NIV; RSV; NRSV; JB; NJB; REB; NAB [‘70]; AT; GNB; CBW; and Beck’s translation), “he who” (ASV; NASB; NEB; MLB; BBE; Phillips; and Moffatt), “who,” or “which.” Even the equally old Douay version has “which was manifested in the flesh.” All the very best modern NT texts by trinitarian scholars (including Westcott and Hort, Nestle, and the text by the United Bible Societies) have the NT Greek word ὃς (“who”) here instead of θεὸς (“God”).Why do the very best trinitarian scholars support this NON-trinitarian translation of 1 Tim. 3:16?
One example from one of the most prominent *Trinitarian NT Scholar* Dr. Frederick C. Grant writes:
“A capital example [of NT manuscript changes] is found in 1 Timothy 3:16, where ‘OS’ (OC or ὃς, ‘who’) was later taken for theta sigma with a bar above, which stood for theos (θεὸς, ‘god’). Since the new reading suited …. the orthodox doctrine of the church [trinitarian, at this later date], it got into many of the later manuscripts .....” - p. 656, Encyclopedia Americana, vol. 3, 1957 ed. (This same statement by Dr. Grant was still to be found in the latest Encyclopedia Americana that I examined - the 1990 ed., pp.696-698, vol. 3.)
And thanks for your thoughts too😃
@@jahtruthdefender Ahhhh, I see. It says God was manifest in the flesh … then describes Jesus’ ministry. Therefore, the clear implication is Jesus is God manifest in the flesh. Sorry, I’m kinda slow sometimes lol. By the way, who is Jah and how did you become his (or her) ambassador? I’m not familiar with that person?
Yes it does....................Jesus is going to HIS GOD and to HIS FATHER, so can you tell us please WHO is the God of Jesus who is HIS GOD, what is his name ......Regards
YHWH is the name of the triune God, not just the Father. The Father is called YHWH, Jesus is called YHWH, and the Spirit is called YHWH. If the Bible calls Jesus YHWH, is Jesus then YHWH?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry when one understands that He was/is 100% God and 100% Holy Spirit and 100% man...then one will understand this verse😏😇
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@@LightoverDarkMinistry YHWH is God's name in Hebrew, Jehovah is the English translation. (see Exodus 6:3 early KJV)
@@LightoverDarkMinistry Where in the scriptures does it say Jesus is called YHWH/ Jehovah....???? (book, chapter, verse please)
Matthew 24:36 and John 5:19 proved that jesus doesn't possess the knowledge of the hour and that he can't do anything on his own as he just followed what the father is doing. Heck jesus dying for our sins is contradicting Deuteronomy 24:16 Parents are not to be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their parents; each will die for their own sin. Meaning the bible doesn't agree that someone else needs to die for your sins.
Be aware that Jesus never spoke parables to his followers, so, how did John knew and wrote this if Mary did not obey and did what Jesus instructed her, "go and tell my brethrens that i ascend to my father, and your father, to my God and your God,"so, those who were gathered by the false prophet's tri unclean spirits from his mouth couldn't twist these scripture,
The whole Bible says that Jesus isn’t God?! 🤦♂️ It is the Messiah/Christ Who simultaneously exists as both Divine Creator and human creature. As Divine Creator the Messiah/Christ is YHWH NOT Jesus of Nazareth whilst as human creature the Messiah/Christ is Jesus of Nazareth NOT YHWH!
If ‘Jesus is God’ [the very idea is utterly moronic] then Jn.1:29 is an out and out lie because divine nature is, by definition, immortal 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
You CANNOT eat your cake and have it. Either Jesus of Nazareth is an authentic human creature who sacrificed Himself upon the cross for the sins of the world (in which case Jn.1:29 is absolutely true) or Jesus is God and therefore, couldn’t possibly have atoned for the sins of the world?! Hardly rocket science but still completely beyond the comprehension of most Christians?!
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God is called a rock. Does he stop being a God because he has a role, and a title?
Loool if jesus says mine and your god, then somone calling him god, how does that make him god? So if someone called me god im god? 🤣🤣🤣 obv he called jesus hes god outta respect, like i call my mom boss, shes not my boss (she is) shes my mom
Should you call anyone else your Lord and God besides God?
🚨 [17:57] Even the idols that they implore are seeking the ways and means towards their Lord. They pray for His mercy, and fear His retribution. Surely, the retribution of your Lord is dreadful.
Psalm 82:6 Living Bible
6 I have called you all “gods” and “sons of the Most High.”
❌ *For those CLAIMING to be god(dess):* 9 You will no longer say that you are a god when you face those who kill you. *You will be a human, not a god, in the hands of those who K I L L you.* Ezekiel 28:9 (GW) 🎇🏁
“And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?” Matthew (27:46)
Isaiah 42:8
GOD’S WORD Translation
8 I am the Lord; that is my name.
I will not give my glory to anyone else or the praise I deserve to idols.
Without accepting what Jesus clearly stated at John 20:17, finding excuses to disbelieve the truth is pathetic.
Analogies and diagrams won't override the truth.
I could say the same thing for John 20:28.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry :(John 20:28) In answer Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!”
Did we find the other apostles saying: "Really Thomas! Jesus is God?". And then everyone fall all over the place worshiping Jesus? No such thing occurred as the others know what Thomas meant.
After Thomas realized that Jesus was an angel God had sent, he followed the custom of addressing angels SENT by God as God.
See Judges Chapter 13 in the incident with Manoah.
John who recorded the Thomas incident wouldn't write in clear unambiguous language:
'No man has SEEN God at ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12,20, IF he even believed for a moment that Jesus was God. John had grown up and around Jesus.
I suppose the qualifier 'AT ANY TIME' is understood.
It takes in ALL POSSIBILITIES.
@@tongakhan230 Who was Thomas talking to? Let's pull apart the Greek. And he said to him(Jesus) The Lord of me, and the God of me. He says that to Jesus. Calls him his God, and Jesus blesses him for it. Also there is no custom as addressing angels sent by God as God. Mary does not do this, and many others when they encounter angels do NOT refer to them as God. That belongs only to The Malak of YHWH who is YHWH.
"After Thomas realized that Jesus was an angel God had sent," Sorry but that is NOT what scripture says. Hebrews chapter one goes into great lengths to explain that Jesus isn't an angel. Also they worshiped Jesus 9 times in the New Testiment, and all creation worships him in Rev 5:12-14 and is given holy worship in Rev 21:3. As far as seeing God, I address this in a video ---> ruclips.net/video/mv2xdkx8boc/видео.html
@@LightoverDarkMinistry I think he is in the JWs false religion. We must pray he finds the truth which is Jesus John 14:6 and not Watchtower.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry I was never a JWs and my only experience with their church was agreeing to do Bible Studies with them in college. This lasted several months and ended when I graduated and moved back home.
These were very awkward Bible Studies because the JWs never answered any of my critical thinking questions...not even one!
They often tried to rush through lessons knowing a critical question 🙋 would come up. I would ask a question and then total silence! After the silence they'll say, "You know due to limited time let's not get off course or we'll research and address that for next week studies"
What they could not get was that I sincerely wanted to understand their teachings but more importantly wanted clarification and irrefutable proof directly from the Bible which ironically one was never opened. It was all digital literature from an iPad and click this verse here.
I realized that I was receiving a lot of answers that couldn't be questioned and had a lot of questions they wouldn't answer.
In conclusion I could never join a group or church were I could not question their teachings for further clarification or understanding. It's literally a form of mind control at that point if I did.
It says Jesus at that time, had not ascended back to *his God and*his Father. The God and Father **-of-** Jesus 1 Peter 1:3. Hebrews 9:24 But Paul says Jesus went into heaven itself to appear before the presence of God.( his God his Father) as Jesus told Mary. Matthew 16:13-16 while (Jesus the Son) of the God, (living on Earth), reminded Peter, that it was (his) (Father in heaven) that had revealed truth unto Peter. (God anointed) Jesus Acts 10:38......**10:40** -(God raised) Jesus out of death. Hebrews 1:3 - Jesus sat down (at the right) hand (of the Majesty)on High. Jesus the Son (of) God. (God gave)..His* only-begotten (Son) John 3:16. The Lamb (of) God John 1:29. Revelation 5:5,6 the Lamb that was slain. Stood before the throne of God. Revelation 1:1,2 Revelation which (God gave unto him) ie. Jesus. ❤Lord bless 🪔
Psalm 82:6 Living Bible
6 I have called you all “gods” and “sons of the Most High.”
❎ *For those CLAIMING to be god(dess):* 9 You will no longer say that you are a god when you face those who k--- you. *You will be a human, not a god, in the hands of those who K I L L you.* Ezekiel 28:9 (GW) 🎇🏁
“And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?” Matthew (27:46)
Isaiah 42:8
GOD’S WORD Translation
8 I am the Lord; that is my name.
I will not give my glory to anyone else or the praise I deserve to idols.
👁 6👂6 Have they not seen how many generations before them we have annihilated? We established them on earth more than we did for you, and we showered them with blessings, generously, and we provided them with flowing streams. We then annihilated them because of their sins, and we substituted another generation in their place.
6👂66 Your people have rejected this, even though it is the truth.
😔 I am not a guardian over you. 😔
Also.......You have to understand that in the Bible the word for God is "Elohim" and means "Mighty ones" Now in today's modern language we have restricted the word "God" to mean the "almighty" basically the creator, but that was NOT so in the Bible days !
And I will show you. For example did you know that people, kings and judges in the Bible were CALLED Gods ?
To illustrate, Psalms 82 says: (now this is God speaking)
1 God takes his place in the divine assembly;
In the middle of the gods* he judges:
And Vs 6
“I have said, ‘You are gods,
All of you are sons of the Most High.
Wow, did you notice how even Jehovah calls them "Gods" and HE says "I have said "You are Gods" ......so the question is HOW were they Gods ? And when you have come up with the answer to that, then you will answered the question "How can Jesus be a God " !
Did you know Moses too was called "God" so was not that polytheism ?
So if God can give the title of God to angles and people then WHY can't he give the same title to his son?
You cannot allow the restrictive use of the word "God" in today's modern English language to restrict the way the term was used in Bible times !
Thanks for the comment. You said...
“in the Bible the word for God is "Elohim" and means "Mighty ones"
> Elohim means God, actually it’s plural but doesn’t not mean mighty ones. Mighty is gibbor,
“have said, ‘You are gods, All of you are sons of the Most High. “
>Psalms is using this in a mocking tone, these are unjust judges, put in a position to rule the people, however God is still their ruler. Notice how it calls them false, how they are abusing their power and will die like men, they thought they were above reproach, thought they were gods.
“! Did you know Moses too was called "God" so was not that polytheism ? “
> That’s adding words to scripture, Moses was not called a God, he said he would be LIKE a god TO pharaoh. “Exodus 7:1“See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh”
“So if God can give the title of God to angles and people then WHY can't he give the same title to his son? You cannot allow the restrictive use of the word "God" in today's modern English language to restrict the way the term was used in Bible times !”
>Except Jesus isn’t just called god he’s called YHWH, Hebrews 1:10-12, John 12:38-41, Rev 22:12-13, and many more.”
So yeah terrance you got understand you got understand that the Bible speaking in context. You gotta use context man.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry Elohim in Hebrew is the royal plural, not numeric plural. We have the same two types of plurals in Arabic. For example محمدا رسول الله muhamadan rasul Allah. Muhammad is in the plural of respect form. It does not mean multiple Muhammads.
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John 20v17 speak of two persons Jessus and Jehovah nothing more one is going to another thats all,it ia not question of god or not god¹ as for Jessus Jehovah is theONLY true God Read JOHN 17v3,6,26.
John 17:3 definitely shows Jesus is not God.
Now read John 17:5
@@Celestium.1s still give all authority and glory to God. I believe these were later additions to John as well. Because the texts have been altered and added to.
Are you a Good Person? Let’s check and see! Have you ever lied? Or have you ever stolen? (Even if it was something small) Have you ever taken the Lord's Name in vain? (Saying: “Oh my G*d” or things like that) Now, have you ever hated anyone? If you have ever done any of those things, you would be either a liar, a thief, a blasphemer(for taking God’s Name in vain), or a murderer at heart (1 John 3:15 tells us that having hate in your heart for someone else would make you a “murderer at heart”) or maybe even all of them. And that was only some of the Ten Commandments. So we have all sinned against God and we therefore deserve death. (Romans 3:23 & 6:23) And as a result, none of us are good, nor good people. In other words, let’s say that I was speeding on the road, and now i’m in court. And according to the judge, I am to be sentenced to time in jail. But, if someone comes into that courtroom and pays my speeding fine, I can walk out of that courtroom without having to serve the time in jail.
Likewise, we are all criminals through sin, and we deserve Hell. Yet Christ took the punishment that we deserve, put it upon Himself, and “payed our fine” through His death (on the cross) and resurrection. Now through REPENTANCE, which is a change of mind about sin (in other words: turning away from sin and understanding your need of a Savior), and by FAITH in CHRIST we can be saved.
So, its NOT by our “good deeds” that we are saved, (as Catholics and other religions may say) because none of us are good, nor can our “good deeds” make us good. Instead, we are saved solely by God’s Grace through our Faith. (Ephesians 2:8-9) And once you are Saved, you do not continue to live following the evil ways of sin, but you instead live following the righteous ways of Christ.
This verse completely diminishes the idea that Jesus is Almighty God.
John 5:26
For as the Father has life in Himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself.
John 5:30 By myself, I can do nothing…
John 5:19
The Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees the Father doing, because whatever the Father does, the Son does also.
John 14:28
The Father is greater than I.
These are are just a few obvious counters you your claim of Jesus being God.
How is it you cannot see that?
Already done content on John 5:26 ruclips.net/video/PkYZqW_P7aM/видео.html
and on John 14:28 ruclips.net/video/kkvcDABzaAM/видео.html
They will forever follow the blind loooooool jesus was not god.
@@k88cnx How do you know that?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry my Lord (Jesus) and my God (the Father)
@@Scott23882 “and said to him” the Lord of me, and the God of me. Both addressed to Jesus.
You are fooling yourself. John 20:17 is clear, Jesus is NOT God. Also the New Testament is full of contradictions.
Doesn't the Quran confirm the legitimacy of the scriptures?
Surah 10:94
If you ˹O Prophet˺ are in doubt about ˹these stories˺ that We have revealed to you, then ask those who read the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so do not be one of those who doubt,
Surah 5:68
Say: "O People of the Book! Ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the Gospel and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord...."
@@LightoverDarkMinistry the Quran confirms the actual Torah and Injil(Gospel revealed to Jesus). The Gospel revealed to Jesus, is not the New Testament or the first four books of it. This can be confirmed in Luke 4:18. Jesus mentioned that he was to preach the Gospel. The New Testament was not written when Jesus made that statement.
With regards to the Tenakh, the idea that Jesus is divine, is greatly opposed by the Jewish Bible. This is one main the reason why Jews reject Christianity. The idea that Jesus was divine is considered idolatry in the highest order according to the Tenakh.
@@hassanabdur-rahman1559 how do you know Jesus said that in Luke? Is that accurate?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry According to the book of Luke, in 4:18, Jesus was said to have said that the Spirit of God had annointed him to preach the Gospel.
@@LightoverDarkMinistryis never said Jesus is god..stop fooling yourself and others..it only says previous revelation and messiahs are from god
Another reason to be Muslim. Read Timothy 2:5
This is appealing to your own ignorance lol😂. Jesus has two nature, fully God and fully man.