3D PRINTING vs GAMES WORKSHOP
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- Опубликовано: 26 ноя 2024
- 3D Printing compared to a plastic Games Workshop model compete with quality?.
In this video, I go through printing out a space marine that is meant to represent a GW Warhammer 40k miniature. Showing a little comparison between the two and how the 3D printing Primaris Eradicator stands up to the Primaris Eradicator from the Games Workshop line of Warhammer 40k miniatures.
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callusklaus2413 mate, that is one of the kindest comments I have ever gotten. Thank you very much!
Being from Brazil, not only does GW not have an official presence here, even if I decide to import it's craazy expensive with shiping fees, taxes. So yeah, I HAVE TO resort to 3d printing 40K proxies. Btw I'm only interested in the setting, lore and minis for painting. Now, if they sold the files for 3d printing officially... It would probably be still more expensive than proxies but I would SO BUY THEM. I understand that they probably have to develop some kind of DRM for the files idk, but right now they're missing on a HUGE opportunity... If they sold the files they could literally sell to the whole world easily.
It's alright you would not want to pay GW prices anyway in countries that have a GW presence. I am planning to make the switch to Kings of War. Much cheaper, some say it's a better game.
Necron Flayed Ones were the reason I got into 3d printing. Haven't regretted it since. $240 for a full unit of 20 flayed ones. $250 for a printer. Decisions, decisions.
hahaha yeah, it is very hard to pass up.
Can I just ask you friend, do you get any flak playing 3d printed figures? I’m getting into warhammer and considering 3d prints. But just wondering what the general consensus is on this idea
@@deejillini2680 I only play with friends. Friends who were the ones who got me into 3d printing. So no, I get no flak but I don't play in tournaments or at a local hobby store. At a local hobby store I've heard it all depends on the store owner. Most are cool with it, some expressly forbid it.
@@deejillini2680 I am also thinking of buying an 8k resin printer to print.
The prices are expensive, the resin (with two armies) costs almost the same.
I don't know what to do...
That’s where I am at with the hobby. There are 4 armies I’d love to make out of some models I’ve found online. Mainly a Kreig army with walkers that look like star wars walkers cosplaying as Imperial tanks.
3d printing won't put GW out of business, GW will put itself out of business for not adapting. They could easily change from being a miniature production company to a game company that sells STL files but still have the ability to sell physical models for those not yet into 3d printing.
I agree with you orangedragon4713
As easy as that: sell old models as STL, same with forgeworld models, those are anyway out of stock or production most of the time anyway.
They still hold the intellectual property that they've using to make tons of money in books, games and, now, a tv show.
Honestly, I would buy the fuck out of GW stls, because of the money saved. Even if the stl of a patrol set was $50 - $60, I could at least reason that Id be able to make hundreds of the models Id want for different variants and even Kill Team exclusive models while still supporting GW.
Yah i saw this video with bob naismith yesterday ( he was a OG Gw Sculpture ) he said why dont they make their own printers and you buy the file as a one time thing and it sends the file right to the Gw printer and you can print it and they dont worry about files being stolen. I dont like the one time use but i understand it.
they wouldn't even need to go that far, they just need to stop being so brutally money hungry to everyone (especially those outside the UK)
This is getting better and better, and there is no way the big makers are not nervous about the way 3d miniatures are more affordable and look this great.
I agree, there is something in the air *sniff* *sniff* I smell resin XD
They are, that's why GW did a link sharing group take down again last week
They are. Just look how many things disappear from Cults, thingiverse how how many sharing telegram groups have been hit by DMCA clames
@@Miki-hk6vy they do that every now and then but files are backed up everywhere.
@Nates Miniatures should probably invest in better ventilation then if you're smelling resin XD (had to do it)
The way things are going at the moment, I imagine more people are about to start printing their own
Most probably
You're absolutely right in that the ceiling for detail now lays pretty much in the hands of the sculptor, as this technology has achieved and even surpassed parody with injection moulding. You can actually resolve finer detail with 3D printing now, it's nuts!
Amazing video 🤘
Thank champion! yeah 3D sculpting is amazing and the more people understand how to bring out details for miniatures the better things will be.
It's parity, not parody. Not trying to be a dick or anything, very easy mistake
I actually like that your 3d printed Marine is bigger. A friend of mine proxies his IGs with truescale historicals to make everything else look more imposing and intimidating. With the new IG and Kaskrins being almost the same size as true scale firstborn, it makes the Primaris feel smaller than they should be.
I have to agree with you brandonchung4982 not only did it look cooler but I have to say even spraying the contrast paint over the model it looked easier to paint as well. Thanks for commenting brother 🙌🙌
@@NatesMiniaturesSince we may have truescale marines, then we need lore-accurate rules for 'em.
@@magosbiologiszhessnakram8530 good bloody idea!
@@NatesMiniatures Thank me that I already did it...
I must admit, despite being an avid 3D printer I prefer to customize and kitbash plastic minis than printing them. Need generic assault intercessors: yeah 3d print them by the squad. Need a standout Captain: I'll proibably pick up a plastic kit, as I find plastic easier to work with on fancy stuff.
Plastic is by far better to work with for kitbashing, I do own a lot of store bought Warhammer and other game systems. I think 3D printing and buying is finding that happy medium that works for you. Sometimes a bundle of minis in a box set can have a decent price that I am willing to pay for, it just has been far too long since I have.
I think that last box set I bought was the Kill Team Octarius. But others have just been going up in price and don't feel like they are worth it.
I agree with you 💯 percent
Definitely considering the jump to 3d printing after the latest price hike in Australia. I do feel bad for my lgs as he's a top bloke and offers good prices, but even at 20 - 25% off, it's hard to feel the same way I use to when buying models as the cost of living is now the highest it's ever been so I feel my money is better spent else where
yeah rtl97 it is rough in Australia at the moment, freaking shopping, fuel and everything else is going up and now our hobby is taking a massive hit. Feels bad brother, I usually shop at Emerald Hobbies because they have 20% off all the time on GW stuff but yeah it is not making that much of a difference any more. Thanks for commenting brother! 🙌🙌
@@NatesMiniatures yeah it's definitely getting ridiculous here. My bills have gone up around $200 a week in the last year or so. Thankfully is a pretty well paying job but I am feeling it for all the families who were struggling before all the rises as it seems likes its only going to get worse from here
yeah it is not a good situation
I think you said it best “ I do not have vision”. For people who just want to play the game and have fun. It’s completely unnecessary to spend an obscene amount of money when this truly does work just as well. Thank you for making a good and honest video!
Thank you @TargetCat that means a lot. I am happy as long as people just get to enjoy the hobby.
I don't like seeing extra barriers that prevent people from enjoying the wargaming hobby (expensive minis is one).
With the most recent GW price increases, getting a 3D printer became a matter of When not If to me.
@OmegaLittleBob I think this is becoming a top reason for many people in the hobby as well. GW are simply pricing a lot of people out, that have been loving their products for years it is a shame.
I agree about the prices of the minis. I would love to support GW and buy more Warhammer minis, but it's so expensive to get into. I recently spent 50 dollars on a T'au battlesuit, and while it's a high quality mini, and it's a really cool one at that, I spent more on that than I did on a game I recently bought, and the mini is already sitting on a shelf collecting dust since I don't even play Warhammer, meanwhile I plan to do another playthrough of that game already. So I really don't feel like I get my money out of WH entirely.
I agree emrickazor2610 , GW has gone too high when it comes to their prices. Slowly but surely pricing people out of the hobby, I love Warhammer always have but it is very hard to pass up using a 3D printer to get what you want for far less.
@@NatesMiniatures Yeah and the worst part is Cyberpunk Red is the cheapest alternative when it comes to minis with guns and shit, but even those minis are expensive. Fallout Wasteland Warfare? Yeah no chance...
Most patreons are pre-supported and standard resin is crazy brittle. Use an ABS-like resin or better. Sunlu makes a pretty cheap ABS-like and its actually really good. Use Ethyl Alchohol to clean your prints. Leave them in 45min-1hr no more and support removal is a breeze. Just be super sure to wear gloves, ethyl will do a number on your skin.
Thanks brother, might try that. I have heard of Sunlu ABS like resin and probably going to try that eventually. I think at the start I bought a lot of Anycubic standard resin because it was the cheapest I could get, but having a stronger resin is probably the best way to go for miniatures.
I was thinking one day of printing out a Warlord titan and thinking about how brittle that would be in standard resin makes me want to rethink that idea.
I think 3d printing is good getting people into the hobby. Most people aren't going to drop hundreds of dollars when they just want to play the game to see if they like it or not
I don’t even think the scale is an issue other than for space. Just makes for a bigger canvas and clearer detail imo. As long as you’re using the right base size who cares? You’ve already downloaded the car.
Good to see you back Nate! 🎉
Cheers Donny 🙌
Great video, and I respect your thoughtfulness in talking it through. I don't tend to hope for the downfall of anyone, but I do hope Games Workshop recognizes there's been a fundamental shift in the "value" proposition their products represent now. There was a time when the only way to have models like they sold was to buy them from a company. That day has passed. And each year there are more extremely talented 3d artists happy to contribute their model making skills to the community for little or no cost at all.
The only remaining "monopoly" or leverage that might justify premium prices for tiny plastic models seems mostly to do with ownership of the IP. But if all you're offering your customers is the threat of legal retaliation or prejudicial exclusion at community events, it may be time to reconsider the value proposition of your business. What's the "need" that you're actually fulfilling at this point? What are you providing that people can't provide for themselves and their friends for far less cost? And is it still worth the exorbitant prices? I think the adjustment is either innovate and offer something people truly can't do for themselves, or bring the prices down. Maybe even come up with a creative maker subscription model allowing printers to license models. Either way I hope GW finds a path forward that benefits its employees and it's customers.
I agree loteknomad5032, hopefully GW will make the right choices down the road. I fear their prices will never drop, if anything they will still argue having to up them every year. I know material prices will go up and transportation of their goods will also go up, but at the end of the day it would cost them in the cents region to create a sprue of space marines.
Their markup is unfair and I have a feeling it is more driven by making sure the share holders see profits go up rather then it being the case of their material cost keeps going up.
They would have contracts with places that supply them it would be silly not to lock in a price for a couple of years each time. Shipping is another beast, but again they have been doing this for years and have dealt wise rising oil prices many times before I guess the only new territory would be Brexit and having to deal with that so I understand that could be a big disruption and raise prices.
BUT, ever since I started the hobby back in 1996 I remember GW announcing price rises every year back then. So it is hard to believe it is always inflation they are scaling their product on. I tend to think it has more to do with how far can we push the price before the customer no longer buys our product.
I also think the side of GW where they loved the creativity is gone, sure their a passionate people that work for GW but they are not the ones in charge of profits.
I could go on but I think I tend to just ramble rather then make actual points so I will stop there.
But I would very much like to see price reductions or even a damn sale from time to time.
Sorry for my tardiness Nate , got here eventually 🙂,
Thank you , Nate .
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haha no worries mate, no, thank you.
The fact that i saw my ww1 beekys in a Split second of you serching for stls fills me with so much joy
haha nice
Been printing for a year now. I find that Gorilla Super Glue Gel works best. Even used it to put back really fine bits that snapped off no problem.
It did seem to hold very nice, also I prefer a gel type super glue less chance of sticking your fingers together with run off haha. Thanks for commenting brother 🙌🙌
I think the reason GW is still doing okay is what’s never really talked about in these videos: initial upfront cost for a printer and materials, learning curve and time investment.
How much does a decent printer cost? How much are the materials? How long does it take to find a decent design file to print? What do I need to do to said file to make sure it prints successfully?
The other thing that’s constantly glossed over? The safety factor of resin printing. The resin is toxic, yet so many of these videos gloss right over that aspect.
What safety considerations are there? How do I safely print, store, etc…
All of these factors into an immense upfront time sink and money sink that a lot of people aren’t going to be interested in overcoming. So they buy the minis.
They are good reasons, a lot of people I talk to want to 3D print but just don't have the room to do it.
Safety is a big one, you should always get your area setup before you get a printer. Everything around the printer is a learning curve and also printing its self.
But, I also started from nothing and I learnt and I can tell you now I am just a regular hobbyist making videos on the internet. The reason I know people can do it is because I am doing it.
But all those costs are a big factor and I don't answer them in this video. Maybe a updated version is needed.
These questions have different awnsers for different people in different living and financial conditions, there are already other videos specifically made for beginners of resin printers not focused on just 40k models.
I dont have a problem with 3d printing as long as you are still supporting your local store like if its a plastic kit maybe buy it even if you are planning on printing bits. For forge world models since local stores cant order them it makes sense to me to print.
Whenever there is a deal I buy through my local store, I usually, always buy my paints and other hobby supplies all the time so I do feel like I am still supporting them. But you are right i3aden we still need to be supporting our FLGS
No way I'm shelling out that much money for plastic. I still buy all my paints, brushes, ans accessories at a flgs....but gw models? No effing way
I'm trying to wrap my head around scales. Alot of creators have their mini files made for the new smaller 28mm format, but the old 32mm format is my cup of tea. I went to put some figs together yesterday and I realized midway through I printed the wrong sized arms and it gave me a heart attack because I think I have to redo alot of my already built marines
It can be a little bit of a pain, in the slicer it is easy enough to just type in the mm you want. But yeah I get a little stuck here as well as some are 28mm and 32mm like you said. I guess on the plus size now your marines look super jacked?
My preferred method for "glueing" resin models together, apply some resin to the area with a brush and then us a UV torch to cure it. Super glue is ok, but with this method you can mend models in seconds.
I will probably try that on some larger models, I had this Chaos Dwarf video in the works and I never finished the army because I dropped the main lord on a winged bull mount and it shattered lol.
I should of pinned it, for some reason I was holding the wing when painting it and the glue just gave way lol.
Great video, my man! I've definitely been supplementing my collection more and more with 3D printed miniatures myself, lately. The detail is great and there's such a great variety of of scuplts for proxy units that you can really get a style and flavor of models that really fit your tastes these days! I still feel like overall, GW still has my favorite minis in the buisiness and a quality that I still feel is the best, but I find that 3D prints are a welcome addition to my hobbying.
Keep up the great work!
~ Wolfbrother Methos
hey FrostandFists
yeah I enjoy both GW stuff and 3d printed, most times I print it is for patreons where I do a lot of Warhammer fantasy as well and print things for friends. I also buy from GW, well not for a while since prices have gone up a bit.
Aside from cost savings, my favorite aspect of 3d printing is my ability to re-scale minis. I don't game, so I only paint them. Being "official" doesn't matter to me, and as I've gotten older, my eyesight and dexterity isn't what it used to be. Making them 30% bigger is a huge advantage to me.
That is a good way to look at it, being able to scale them to a size that you are good with so you can paint them is a great idea.
Fancy vid mate, I liked seeing some of the stations you have set up, and how you go about doing the magic!
The editing has gotten better over time too!
Cheers brother, it was a bit of a headache trying to film after so long off but I had a lot of fun getting back into it.
3D printing is fun, hope to get more people into 3D printing!.
Aquilon has some terrific eradicator sculpts
I will have to check them out, thanks for the recommendation TheAncientOfRites 🙌👌
As much as I am not a fan of how expensive the prices are, I'm fine with buying direct. I do have 3D printed models, but only for units no longer being made like Elysian Drop Troos or are extremely dated like Catachan Jungle FIghters. If and/or when old ranges get refreshed, I have no problem buying the official models.
thanks for commenting Avera9eWh1teShark6 I have no issue with buying from GW if I feel the value is worth it, I have Kill Team boxes, 2 player starter sets, warcry and so on. Lately for me, the stuff that GW has put out is getting more expensive and less value. But if they bring out something I think has value I will buy it.
3D printing is fantastic for older models and also different takes on models, I recently found some True scale terminators and they look absolutely fantastic.
GW needs to get in with a slicer company and make a locked stl that can be printed X number of times before having to be purchased again. Like many DRM type things. That way they can charge a low price for the stl, knowing that the purchaser will only get so many prints off of it. Any use of it not inside that window is illegal and they could sue. Course that wont stop people from figuring out a way around it, that isn't any different that anything else,, if one could say, buy a full squad stl for $20, and have official units you can use in tournaments, vs free stl's you cant, many would shell out that $20. Its like states who legalize marihuana, they finally figured out, people are getting high, your not able to stop it, might as well be able to tax it. People are printing alternatives already, for the most part they do it because they cant afford the real ones and printing them is a fraction of the cost. They might care about not being able to play official matches, but they likely don't. However, if a cheap alternative existed, that was match legal. They also just might, and your making money on people who otherwise wouldn't have used your stuff.
Only problem with 3d printing is resin is horrible to kitbash, superglue is a pain in the ass compared to polycement
Thanks for leaving a comment PucknellProductions and mate you are right!. Not to mention you really should be using a mask when you sand resin miniatures, that stuff is still nasty if it gets in your system.
True
You can digitally kitbash far easier and with much more creative freedom. You can digitally mold different STLs easily ina program as basic as Microsoft's free 3D Builder.
@@thenathanimal2909 great idea mate, sometimes I forget about kit bashing the digital files.
@@thenathanimal2909I’d rather get dirty with green stuff and make something as I go on! The little mistakes I make doing it add to the character !
The quality is there, but the longevity isn't. Resin printing was never designed to be an end product. It was designed for prototyping. Every single UV resin will brittle over time, and centers of models do not fully cure unless you are printing clear. There's a reason why pro companies using 3d printing still take their prints and cast them in a different resin.
what is the name of the file you printed? Who made it?
It is also alot cheaper than buying packs. It is easy to get the same quality using anything 2k plus. I got into an argument with a gw employee over this conversation he thinks you need a special printer, dunce. They should just sell files for packs officially.
Yeah that employee does not know what they are talking about, $165 USD printer will get you good results it is all about dialing it in for the resin you are using. Mine is not dialed in yet I just used the standard Lychee settings for the Anycubic Grey resin I was using, so you could get waaaay better quality with working on it a bit more. Thanks for commenting gamerreligion3575 🙌🙌
I don’t do table top but I do print my own space marines. I like that I can make them much more realistic and accurate, and less cartoon looking than the real stuff.
I mostly make mine large in McFarlane scale. So my terminators are about 9-11 inches tall and I can make them incredibly detailed.
I was thinking of doing the same to have some painted statues around the house.
@@NatesMiniatures you should, it’s awesome. I am not artistic so this is my way of creating what I envision in my head.
I think I prefer the Space Marines at that slightly larger scale. The differences between lore marines and table top marines are stark, especially since they added the Primaris Marines. Honestly, I'm more inclined to 3D print them to get the scale I would want to see on the battlefield.
I do hear that a fair bit, that people do prefer larger scaled marines. Also a lot easier to paint
@@NatesMiniatures That's true. I remember the Inquisitor scale Space Marine Artemis from Deathwatch. He was a fun marine to paint.
not only can you use if for warhammer stuff you can get STLs from other things and print those too
Yeah there is a lot of things you can do with printers, I even sculpted and printed my own mini
We use a Saturn 4 ultra a full plate of infantry takes about 2 hours 12k resolution detail is outstanding
Very nice, I just got an upgrade to the Saturn 3 from the Saturn 4k and it prints a lot faster. So good
What's the average material cost for one single figure? (the one you printed in the video)
The file from memory was free but I probably long gone by now.
To print that one mini you are looking at maybe $0.20 USD of resin
Where in Brazil the dollar is 5x our currency and we pay importing taxes that multiply the prices by 2-4x. A small army that would cost 1/10 of a minimum wage in the US, here costs 12/10 of our minimum wage with the taxes.
So yeah we 3D print our units here. if it was manufactured in South America as well and we only payed the dollar conversion rate then sure we would buy them since the price would be around 3-4/10 of our minimum wage which is fair price for a hobby, but see you until never GW....
Ouch! yeah I would be 3D printing in Brazil as well.
Ooops I scheduled the video but must of checked the no comments box XD. Way to screw your own video over Nathan haha🤣🤣
I printed out those exact eradicaters 2 days ago I'm new to 3d printing but I should have got into the forever ago
haha very nice eddiedavis9429 3D printing can get very addictive 👍
Stupid question, what if you froze the model and then diped it into hot water to stress break the supports? Or focused the heat to the tip of the support where it meets the model. Generally, just curious! Great video
Not stupid at all, since this video using hot water and just dunking them for 20 seconds or so makes it so much easier to remove the supports. But the idea you put forward sounds like it would work as well.
Not 100% sure with the freezing because then I am guessing the rest of the model might also be super brittle but it would need testing.
@NatesMiniatures yes, I would imagine if you could localize the heat to one spot, it might work great. Maybe with an electic lighter? I will test it out!
@@CanuckHam Let me know how you go, careful of the fumes obviously.
@NatesMiniatures Hey Nate! OMG it works way better than I expected. My process is as follows: Freeze uncured miniatures after a wash (about 3 hours), bring hot water to a point where it's just about to boil (small bubbles appear but do not float to the suface), dunk model in hot water fully. Wait about 10-20 seconds. Remove supports. Resin Used was waterwashable.
@@CanuckHam Very nice, I have also tried something. I decided after washing my miniatures to leave them in a sealed tub where there was still some ipa.
Honestly I forgot about them for a day, but when I pulled them out the miniatures were fine but the supports just peeled away like a hot knife through butter.
I'm an old school GW hobbyist, 2nd edition lead models were the norm. I used to convert a lot of models. What I don't understand is if you 3D print a model that is extremely close to a GW model, how does GW know its 3D printed instead of being a conversion?
I once converted some Eldar Exodites. GW didn't make models of these. I used steeds of slaanesh, High Elf mounted legs and Harlequins torsos, arms and heads. There was nothing like these in the GW range but were accepted by the local store. Yes, they were mostly GW parts and green stuff but 3D printing wasn't a thing back then. If it was I would have used 3D parts too.
I just don't get how GW know what is going on under the paint.
I am not entirely sure they do, I guess it would be more someone pointing it out for them in some capacity. I remember fondly back in 1997 when my mate got me into Warhammer, he would convert and cast parts all the time. For me the hobby is what we make it, not what the company tells us we can do with it.
I left the tabletop world years ago as pricing from GW was getting silly. Getting a resin printer setup soon to try my hand at it.
Welcome back, it is a little bit of a learning curve but there are some big facebook groups out there that know everything about printing.
@@NatesMiniatures Thanks dude, I've been fdm printing for a couple years but resin looks a little more involved lol
Mexico is worse regarding prices, sometimes the prices double when trying to get localy, or shipping fees can be ludricously high since "GW doesn't ship to your country"
Sorry to hear that brother, guessing 3d printing is the way for you then?
@@NatesMiniatures kinda since they are not cheap either, but on the long run they might be
@@smoke264 hopefully you are able to work out something, I would rather more people in the hobby then out.
Badger has a primer made for 3d printed models. It's a 2 step. First is the translucent for filling striations then your choice color for primer. White black and grey. May have more by now. They had a tremendous sale when it launched and I stocked up.
Thanks jc7997aj I honestly had no idea about the Badger primer for 3d printed models, going to have to check that out now :O
HES BACK, amazing video Nate. I personally think at some point we will see some kind of GW stl. or possibly a Character Builder like hero forge.
hey Miniocalypse thanks mate, I do think that is wishful thinking though lol. GW will not let go of their i.p like that
Such an amazing job, i do how ever say there is smaller details on gw ones that show off things
Certain areas yours is flat where gw has depths but regardless it looks great and for a fraction of the price im getting a printer
I just want to paint minis opposed to buying and going bank rupt to paint them
Its hard enough with how expensive paints are lol
haha I agree @clubskitzhardstyle the thing is with that specific model is from one creator, there are plenty of others that have put more details into their sculpts.
3D printing is a great addition to the hobby, being able to print out your minis when ever you want is great. But it does start a whole new pile of shame 😂
I have snuck into alot of Gw tournaments just buy a few of the important models and I swear no one even notices just paint and wash
hahaha you will now be known as the GW Tournament Ninja
awesome video mate I have an anycubic mono 4k and it prints perfectly I have printed an exocrine and does an awesome job, looking forward to seeing more videos
I did print off an exocrine for a friend a long while back when I first bought the Elegoo Saturn, I have heard the Anycubic mono 4k is a great printer. Cheers for watching brother 👌
Starbond Thin is the absolute best glue for both resin and pla prints. I''d check it out it's pretty cheap.
sweet thanks henryb1233 I will hunt around for it
just wondering, is this specific to resin printers or does filament work as well?
What I am showing here is resin printing, it can be done on FDM printers but the details just are not there if you are wanting closer to miniatures sold in the stores. FDM is fantastic for making terrain though.
Is that from resin printer and what brand and model of the printer would you recommend?
Yeah that is from a resin printer the Elegoo Saturn 4k. I think if I was going out to buy a new resin printer I would get the Elegoo Saturn 3 or Saturn 4 depending on prices. Also there should be a sale coming up for Black Friday, so you should be able to get some good deals.
Great video. As someone who is trying to get into 40k, I'm debating on saving for a printer or just buying from GW.
Thanks mate, if you are new to Warhammer 40k it might be best to buy some models from eBay cheaper first to see if you like the painting side of things.
I know for me when I got a 3d printer I don't buy minis from the store anymore.
@NatesMiniatures Honestly, the more I look at the painting/assembly aspect of it, I think I will try one of the starter sets. I appreciate the advice. 👍
@@tmgpurify3458 have fun mate :D
Bro ,can send link for the eradicators? I'd like to print them too.
They use resin now? or they use polystyrene? to make 40k original figures? The 40k figure has more details. So yeah a few dif
Em, can you send links to some STL's on FLM Printing? I have made printer years ago and never printed anything, and have no idea what is good and what bad print
for example the one you have in video, tried to find that one again, but could not
@@mkopl1030 sorry mate I can't share out files and this specific file I am not sure I have it any more after a big hard drive clean ouut.
One of the biggest advantages of 3d printing is that you can now properly scale your miniatures not gonna lie true scale marines and rhino chassis are sexy.
That is a very good point garywhite8292 , I just found myself some true scale terminators I have for the backlog and they look freaking great 👌
GW Profits is not just Minis & Paints.
Its IP aswell. So Mobile Games, MacFarlen Dolls, Tshirts Cups, Licensing ect.
If they cared about Mini sales they would have Stuff in Stock. You cant buy many Miniatures even recent ones like Lion El Johnson or Angron.
They dont care about Players or the Game.
They care about Scalpers and overpriceing 10 cents of Platstic to 100,-€ +
Games Workshop seriously need to think about revamping their business model. I guess they still sell paint even for "knockoff" figures, but really they should sell their own STL files for figures and scenery. Perhaps even a subscription model where people get a bunch of freebies each month. If they're smart they could even watermark the models to discourage sharing & piracy.
I have seen that Mantic Games has started doing a subscription model for their STL files. It would be good if GW did that but I seriously doubt they will ever do anything like that. It would be nice though, being able to print official GW models at home direct from GW.
With photogrammetry being a thing, and the way the community is lashing out against GW now, pirated models are gonna skyrocket. It'll be easier than ever.
I do think 3d printing minis that look like GW minis is becoming a lot easier and harder to truly shutdown.
How much is Isopropyl Alchohol where you live? It's incredibly cheap in the US, and it's fairly easy to manufacture.
I think it is around $27.50 per 500ml at my Bunnings hardware store. Very expensive, while a 4 liter of Methylated spirits cost me $18.80
Not sure why iso is so expensive near me.
@@NatesMiniatures holy fuck, it's $4 US for 500ml.of IPA...your government giving you a shakedown
@@thenathanimal2909 haha yeah mate, just like GW does XD
Would I get kicked out of GW or a hobby store for playing 3D minis?
I want to play a death korp army
Yeah, you would mate, but there should be loads of local wargaming clubs around. And I am sure most would be ok with 3d printed models. And some local game stores as long as you buy products from them every now and then.
Hey Nate! Nicely done mate! So was the 3d printed file larger from the get go or? 👍🤔
Thanks Leif, the file for the marine was already larger yes. I just completely forgot about scaling it to the plastic marine 🙌
What was the correct scale or size needed ?
I think if I scaled it to around 93% it would of been more inline with the GW mini. The space marine is meant to be 28mm but I think they are slowly scaling up to around 32mm
Any argument that Printing is not as detailed as cast molds went out the window last year, we have 8k printers and DLP printers which actually blow away cast models for fine detail. And they are getting easier, the resin cheaper and less toxic. Give it a few more years and cast models will be mostly out.
I would love a 8k printer @Kconv1 I have been watching the quality that people have been getting out of them and it blows my mind.
I'm pretty happy with my WH40K 3D printed "space communists" painted with Walmart Apple Barrel paint and home brew ink wash from Hobby Town. Sure I've had a few failures, some catastrophic, but still the price point (including a cheap printer), it's way more bang for the buck than my legit GW Space Wolves and Tyranid minis.
Will they ever be show or brag quality? Nope, but even with the best paints and mini sculpts I'll never be that good, so who cares.
I don't play tournaments and people I play with also have 3D prints filling their lines. So don't have to worry about not being allowed to play "proxie" minis either.
thanks for commenting @domandred, playing with mates is probably where a lot of people get their fun out of the hobby anyway. 3D printing for me is just freedom, I can print for my mates and create enough minis for them with a one liter bottle of resin.
It is also a really good way to practice painting, spare parts and so on. 3D printing is wild.
a good printing result, I have that printer, what is your configuration to create the thumbnails? I want to compare results, thank you
HELLO i am new to WH i was think about printing up a army and trying it out first before droping 400+ on the game good idea? is there easy way to find groups in your area ?
You could even go a step better and it is not that expensive by going to Etsy or eBay and find sellers of printed files. Or you could go to a friendly local game store where they sell miniatures and see if they have any Warhammer games that someone will be willing to show you.
Most times you can get a game in if you are new to the hobby, or even walk into your local Games Workshop and ask if they could teach you how to play and you can use their miniatures in store if that helps mate. I would say 3d printing is fantastic but I would not want you to jump into 3d printing and all the stuff like painting if you are wanting to play a game, because there is a free way of being able to play.
Once you get a game in or two then you will have to think do I love this enough to play for real, and do I want to play in a tournament one day. 3d Printing is cheaper than GW minis but you will not be allowed to take your printed army into a GW store or tournament.
Some local games stores might not like it either but that is a case to case basis.
So if I was you I would just see in the stores first to get a game mate and then you can go from there, hope this helps in anyway dragozfirzable 🙌🙌
@@NatesMiniatures Thanks alot for all of the info. " looks to left see about 500 point printed already " I have some exp with printing and some painting already before looking into WH. More recently I stopped playing mtg, so I have been looking for another hobby. I was planning on printing out an army ether way just because they look awesome and transitions into a real one, even though the prints look better lol. Do they have touraments for boarding portal ? Want to say thanks again for responding! Not alot of people would take the time :)
PS
Make some more videos!!! :)
@@dragozfirzable hey mate no worries I always try and reply but sometimes RUclips does not tell me if there is a reply to a message only new messages.
I am unsure about the tournaments for boarding patrol sorry. Printing can become addictive so be careful 🤣🤣
@@dragozfirzable haha will do :P
3d printing is another hobby on its own and comes with a new set skills and issues you need to learn. I honestly don't see the need to get into it since I don't need a new army every few months.
That is fair, but I don't think 3d printing is actually that difficult at all, some make it sound harder then it actually is but once you figure out how a printer works it is kinda easy. Just another tool for our hobby. Thanks for commenting dredsirius 👌🙌
@@NatesMiniatures 100% agreed. I have very little technical aptitude and mastered 3D printing/supporting in a month. Now I can print entire armies for pennies on the dollar. I can also digitally kitbash different files to make my very own models the way I want them to be!
@@thenathanimal2909 I feel like THIS is what the hobby is meant to be about, I got into the hobby around 1997 and kit bashing and casting parts and minis were just a thing. It is just now we have 3d printing.
I'm gonna try to 3d print me and da boys faces on ultra marines. It's gona be lit
Space marine Squarepants solos the entire games workshop's store.
hahaha I thought it was funny when I seen it XD you are the first one to comment on that hahaha
@@NatesMiniatures Im disappointed that no one else is talking about this piece of art 😞
@@Goggletraductor117 haha
Great video Nate! Learnt alot and well made. My opinion on this is that I'm lazy and it seems like too much work and hassle and mess to print myself so I'll just pay GW or maybe pay hobby 3D printers
Thanks @ASKatona , nothing wrong with that mate. Sometimes I feel a bit lazy myself and don't pull the print off the print bed for another day or two after printing 🤣
gw hikes the prices because people are now 3d printing - its got to the point now whereby they are pushing people (myself included) into 3d printing to enjoy they hobby i choose. weirdly, gw is doing this to itself
I do see more and more people starting 3D printing
@@NatesMiniatures ive collected warhammer 40k and old school fantasy for over 26 years and in the last 3 days, ive ordered a saturn 4 ultra, downloaded over 53gbs of stl files and half made a uv cure box.. i remember the days when a combat patrol/starter box was around £50, they have doubled in price for less in the box. if it wasnt for citadel we would see GW profits taking a hit, but luckly for GW they have a product that still is at the top with a few other brands, meaning if more people print, more people buy the paints, so even tho they arent selling plastic, they are selling paint and i dont think anyone else has seen this yet.
so i do believe GW will end up selling stl files and paints in the future after getting so use to copywriting striking things online like they have
nice what would be the correct scale on that model u have please as i did that one before :D
thanks
I think if I scale it down to 88% it might be right there but I could be wrong, I will need to check that myself. Thanks for commenting swiftdetecting 🙌🙌
nice print and i would'nt worry about the scale just say its a primarus model as they are a little bit bigger lol
Super Marine! haha
generally speaking, I think that 3D printing will settle down at a similar place as video-game piracy.
it is lost sales, but it also a way for people who don't have the money or are afraid of the massive costs to enter into the hobby and eventually may buy into it.
The only people I've met with gripes about 3d printed models was the poor quality. And after seeing what they did to their injection moulded box sets, 3d printing quality should be the least of their concerns.
Personally i have an epax x1k printer (1k res mono screen), and once the settings are dialed in, it churns out really immaculate models. Any issues are usually on my end with supports or not noticing a glob stuck to the film.
Yeah exactly, for me the Elegoo Saturn 4k does just fine. I usually run it at the 0.05 layer height but I have printed one mini at 0.03 and the quality increase was very noticable but the time to print puts me off of that a bit. The standard layer height is usually fine for me.
great vid dude, cant wait to start printing my own designs hopefully soon haha
haha nice Pale, send pic of your stuff when you are done man
New Rogal Dorn tank costs 90$ each and it doesn't have the bottom panel. For 3 of these you can a buy a good 3d printer, enouth said.
haha indeed
HE IS BACK!
haha cheers mate, I am very happy to be back at creating and feel like part of the community. Been a long time.
I don't know anything about painting. Wouldn't it be easier to use a black plastic then you wouldn't have to paint a base black layer?
The black paint is a primer, it basically helps the next layer of paint to stick to the plastic other wise it can scratch off kinda easy.
Welcome back!
Thanks brother!
We need to print GW down a peg or two.
haha maybe one day
any decent 3d printer recommenation?
Sure user-rr5gq5ie7n , Elegoo Mars 3 pro is a solid work horse and if you do want a bigger build plate size I have printed off a fair few armies on the Elegoo Saturn now and it seems solid. I have heard good things about Elegoo's after care, so spare parts and warranty seems to be respected.
My opinion on 3d printing. I need the printer and room to run the thing. So for me the plastic is very good for working with in my current location. Especially for GW and other store available minitures.
Forgeworld and out of print on the other hand. I need to find someone local where I can store the printer so I can print those models. I am not dealing with the really poor quality of the Forge World Resin when it's shipped to AU. I've tried it before an never again.
It is a good idea to have a place you can setup your printing area. I hate Forgeworld prices and really dislike how they send warped and missing parts all the time, their quality control is down right terrible.
These files...
Mazing.
Great Video!
Thanks for dropping by Mr Troy 👌👌
Legit my only reason why I still buy plastic kits is because I find putting them together to be really fun weirdly enough, otherwise i'd have switched to 3d modelling
Nothing wrong with that PIKAFUCKINGCHU I actually enjoy building plastic kits as well, sometimes with resin printing on large items there is no instructions and you just go with the flow you don't glue it upside down.
I put together my 3d printed models, most of them come with different legs, arms, weapons and heads just like the plastic models from GW.
Hey dude, great video. It’s crazy how detailed 3D printers have gotten!
One minor request, and if it is too much trouble, completely ignore me. But it is really hard to see the details of the completed minis when they are being hit with so much colored light. Especially the 3D printed example, it was super hard to see your actual paint scheme.
Is it possible to get examples under a neutral light when showcasing stuff later on? Again, if it’s a ton of work, completely ignore me :) I’m just a viewer haha and I’ll watch either way!
Thanks again
Yeah have to totally agree with you there, Marley. The coloured light meant I missed a lot of detail. I'm using a giant screen too, so I hate to think what it'd be like on a phone. Really loved the video, just hard to see the comparison. Cheers!
03dashk64 that is completely reasonable request, I actually did have footage like that but during the editing it was cut because it did not fit with the overall edit. But I will make sure in the future that will be done as it is important to show the details under a natural light.
I usually use LUTs for my footage but not on the miniature shots for that reason, and it completely skipped my mind not to have so much RGB during the sexy shots, sorry mate.
Thanks for watching though and never feel bad for speaking up 🙌🙌
No worries bigbrowntau it will be fixed next time I do another video, thanks for dropping by mate 🙌
@@NatesMiniatures Thanks Nate! Much appreciated. I have a 2k printer, recently printed out some orks (made the same mistake as you with scale...looks like I have a new mob of nobs!), and have been considering upgrading to a 4k printer. I have 2 sons both into 40k, so it'd help the budget enormously.
@@bigbrowntau I have three kids of my own mate, 3d printing them an army would be a big savings for you.
They should take a few lessons from bandai, their molding process is mind-blowing able to have different colors on the same runner and the price is way more cheaper compared to warhammer model kits .
the price of the models is completely arbitrary, there is no logical reason for gw to justify the price, they have a de-facto monopoly on miniatures and they know it, its that simple
Entry level mecha is cheap, but Im spending hundreds of dollars on kits from them. Also, the global market for mecha is bigger than GW's market share, so you can't compare prices.
@@Dstinct its not really the same thing, you can think about warhammer like a mix between static modelism (like gunpla) and card games, they price things in an arbitrary way also taking into account the rules and the power level of the models, it was always been like that...explain to me why a commander unit (literally 1 small 2'' model) is 50 euros, because: 1) you need it. 2) you need only one of those...its easy to see why they price things like that, and also consider that they have complete domination on the market so they can basically do whatever and people will still buy it regardless of the price, cause theres no alternative
I wonder which elegoo 3d printer generation receive name Elegoo Uranus?😂
hahaha that will be a fun youtube video one day XD
Looks like a Tru Scale Marine!!
I do like True scale marines!
Im able to 3d print epic size miniatures for Adeptus Titanicus basing. So ye.
heck yeah!
may I ask what layer height you used on your print? good video! and happy to know more fellow printer hobbyists out there 😁😁
hey giuseppecorino1309 , layer height was standard 0.05 nothing special there. Hope that helps brother, always good to other enthusiasts for 3d printing 🙌🙌🙌
@@NatesMiniatures just wondering, lately i was trying 0.02 layer height but i was thinking was a waist of time for a difference of 0.03 but still having amazing results 😉😁
I think the lowest I have done is 0.03 on some Dwarf prints and they turned out great, I think you just have to find that happy medium.
I do tend to print at the 0.05 because of the print times.
@@NatesMiniatures Totally agree, 0.02 is taking too long 🤣🤣🤣
Beautiful work but I find myself wondering how many Warhammer fans will go through the work involved with 3d printing. Also, are there any illegal printing/selling companies out of China or elsewhere? Just thinking outloud how these changes will impact GW.
Unsure about printing services for 1:1 copies of GW products but I am guessing there probably is. For me, I really don't think there is much to 3D printing that is a big effort.
But I do have my routine I stick to with printing, washing, and curing. And that seems to work out for me very well.
I still prefer not to print out 1:1 models, and to be honest apart from the videos I have made on them. That is really the only time I have done so, there are just so many other great alternatives that are close but still their own thing I rather put my time into.
And thank you for the kind words @kenchoi702 🙌🙌
Great video mate!
Thanks brother 👌
I compared a termagaunt I printed with one I assembled from GW. The fact of the matter is, there really is no difference. The 3d mini is slightly better, and I got those files for free lol.
Even this file I had is a very very old one from memory, there are way better and more detailed ones out there. It is truly just up to the sculptor to put the extra detail into it.