3D PRINTING vs GAMES WORKSHOP
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- 3D Printing compared to a plastic Games Workshop model compete with quality?.
In this video, I go through printing out a space marine that is meant to represent a GW Warhammer 40k miniature. Showing a little comparison between the two and how the 3D printing Primaris Eradicator stands up to the Primaris Eradicator from the Games Workshop line of Warhammer 40k miniatures.
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callusklaus2413 mate, that is one of the kindest comments I have ever gotten. Thank you very much!
3d printing won't put GW out of business, GW will put itself out of business for not adapting. They could easily change from being a miniature production company to a game company that sells STL files but still have the ability to sell physical models for those not yet into 3d printing.
I agree with you orangedragon4713
As easy as that: sell old models as STL, same with forgeworld models, those are anyway out of stock or production most of the time anyway.
They still hold the intellectual property that they've using to make tons of money in books, games and, now, a tv show.
Honestly, I would buy the fuck out of GW stls, because of the money saved. Even if the stl of a patrol set was $50 - $60, I could at least reason that Id be able to make hundreds of the models Id want for different variants and even Kill Team exclusive models while still supporting GW.
Yah i saw this video with bob naismith yesterday ( he was a OG Gw Sculpture ) he said why dont they make their own printers and you buy the file as a one time thing and it sends the file right to the Gw printer and you can print it and they dont worry about files being stolen. I dont like the one time use but i understand it.
they wouldn't even need to go that far, they just need to stop being so brutally money hungry to everyone (especially those outside the UK)
Necron Flayed Ones were the reason I got into 3d printing. Haven't regretted it since. $240 for a full unit of 20 flayed ones. $250 for a printer. Decisions, decisions.
hahaha yeah, it is very hard to pass up.
Can I just ask you friend, do you get any flak playing 3d printed figures? I’m getting into warhammer and considering 3d prints. But just wondering what the general consensus is on this idea
@@deejillini2680 I only play with friends. Friends who were the ones who got me into 3d printing. So no, I get no flak but I don't play in tournaments or at a local hobby store. At a local hobby store I've heard it all depends on the store owner. Most are cool with it, some expressly forbid it.
@@deejillini2680 I am also thinking of buying an 8k resin printer to print.
The prices are expensive, the resin (with two armies) costs almost the same.
I don't know what to do...
That’s where I am at with the hobby. There are 4 armies I’d love to make out of some models I’ve found online. Mainly a Kreig army with walkers that look like star wars walkers cosplaying as Imperial tanks.
This is getting better and better, and there is no way the big makers are not nervous about the way 3d miniatures are more affordable and look this great.
I agree, there is something in the air *sniff* *sniff* I smell resin XD
They are, that's why GW did a link sharing group take down again last week
They are. Just look how many things disappear from Cults, thingiverse how how many sharing telegram groups have been hit by DMCA clames
@@Miki-hk6vy they do that every now and then but files are backed up everywhere.
@Nates Miniatures should probably invest in better ventilation then if you're smelling resin XD (had to do it)
You're absolutely right in that the ceiling for detail now lays pretty much in the hands of the sculptor, as this technology has achieved and even surpassed parody with injection moulding. You can actually resolve finer detail with 3D printing now, it's nuts!
Amazing video 🤘
Thank champion! yeah 3D sculpting is amazing and the more people understand how to bring out details for miniatures the better things will be.
It's parity, not parody. Not trying to be a dick or anything, very easy mistake
I actually like that your 3d printed Marine is bigger. A friend of mine proxies his IGs with truescale historicals to make everything else look more imposing and intimidating. With the new IG and Kaskrins being almost the same size as true scale firstborn, it makes the Primaris feel smaller than they should be.
I have to agree with you brandonchung4982 not only did it look cooler but I have to say even spraying the contrast paint over the model it looked easier to paint as well. Thanks for commenting brother 🙌🙌
@@NatesMiniaturesSince we may have truescale marines, then we need lore-accurate rules for 'em.
@@magosbiologiszhessnakram8530 good bloody idea!
@@NatesMiniatures Thank me that I already did it...
The way things are going at the moment, I imagine more people are about to start printing their own
Most probably
I think you said it best “ I do not have vision”. For people who just want to play the game and have fun. It’s completely unnecessary to spend an obscene amount of money when this truly does work just as well. Thank you for making a good and honest video!
Thank you @TargetCat that means a lot. I am happy as long as people just get to enjoy the hobby.
I don't like seeing extra barriers that prevent people from enjoying the wargaming hobby (expensive minis is one).
I think 3d printing is good getting people into the hobby. Most people aren't going to drop hundreds of dollars when they just want to play the game to see if they like it or not
Definitely considering the jump to 3d printing after the latest price hike in Australia. I do feel bad for my lgs as he's a top bloke and offers good prices, but even at 20 - 25% off, it's hard to feel the same way I use to when buying models as the cost of living is now the highest it's ever been so I feel my money is better spent else where
yeah rtl97 it is rough in Australia at the moment, freaking shopping, fuel and everything else is going up and now our hobby is taking a massive hit. Feels bad brother, I usually shop at Emerald Hobbies because they have 20% off all the time on GW stuff but yeah it is not making that much of a difference any more. Thanks for commenting brother! 🙌🙌
@@NatesMiniatures yeah it's definitely getting ridiculous here. My bills have gone up around $200 a week in the last year or so. Thankfully is a pretty well paying job but I am feeling it for all the families who were struggling before all the rises as it seems likes its only going to get worse from here
yeah it is not a good situation
With the most recent GW price increases, getting a 3D printer became a matter of When not If to me.
@OmegaLittleBob I think this is becoming a top reason for many people in the hobby as well. GW are simply pricing a lot of people out, that have been loving their products for years it is a shame.
Good to see you back Nate! 🎉
Cheers Donny 🙌
Being from Brazil, not only does GW not have an official presence here, even if I decide to import it's craazy expensive with shiping fees, taxes. So yeah, I HAVE TO resort to 3d printing 40K proxies. Btw I'm only interested in the setting, lore and minis for painting. Now, if they sold the files for 3d printing officially... It would probably be still more expensive than proxies but I would SO BUY THEM. I understand that they probably have to develop some kind of DRM for the files idk, but right now they're missing on a HUGE opportunity... If they sold the files they could literally sell to the whole world easily.
Sorry for my tardiness Nate , got here eventually 🙂,
Thank you , Nate .
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haha no worries mate, no, thank you.
Great video, and I respect your thoughtfulness in talking it through. I don't tend to hope for the downfall of anyone, but I do hope Games Workshop recognizes there's been a fundamental shift in the "value" proposition their products represent now. There was a time when the only way to have models like they sold was to buy them from a company. That day has passed. And each year there are more extremely talented 3d artists happy to contribute their model making skills to the community for little or no cost at all.
The only remaining "monopoly" or leverage that might justify premium prices for tiny plastic models seems mostly to do with ownership of the IP. But if all you're offering your customers is the threat of legal retaliation or prejudicial exclusion at community events, it may be time to reconsider the value proposition of your business. What's the "need" that you're actually fulfilling at this point? What are you providing that people can't provide for themselves and their friends for far less cost? And is it still worth the exorbitant prices? I think the adjustment is either innovate and offer something people truly can't do for themselves, or bring the prices down. Maybe even come up with a creative maker subscription model allowing printers to license models. Either way I hope GW finds a path forward that benefits its employees and it's customers.
I agree loteknomad5032, hopefully GW will make the right choices down the road. I fear their prices will never drop, if anything they will still argue having to up them every year. I know material prices will go up and transportation of their goods will also go up, but at the end of the day it would cost them in the cents region to create a sprue of space marines.
Their markup is unfair and I have a feeling it is more driven by making sure the share holders see profits go up rather then it being the case of their material cost keeps going up.
They would have contracts with places that supply them it would be silly not to lock in a price for a couple of years each time. Shipping is another beast, but again they have been doing this for years and have dealt wise rising oil prices many times before I guess the only new territory would be Brexit and having to deal with that so I understand that could be a big disruption and raise prices.
BUT, ever since I started the hobby back in 1996 I remember GW announcing price rises every year back then. So it is hard to believe it is always inflation they are scaling their product on. I tend to think it has more to do with how far can we push the price before the customer no longer buys our product.
I also think the side of GW where they loved the creativity is gone, sure their a passionate people that work for GW but they are not the ones in charge of profits.
I could go on but I think I tend to just ramble rather then make actual points so I will stop there.
But I would very much like to see price reductions or even a damn sale from time to time.
I must admit, despite being an avid 3D printer I prefer to customize and kitbash plastic minis than printing them. Need generic assault intercessors: yeah 3d print them by the squad. Need a standout Captain: I'll proibably pick up a plastic kit, as I find plastic easier to work with on fancy stuff.
Plastic is by far better to work with for kitbashing, I do own a lot of store bought Warhammer and other game systems. I think 3D printing and buying is finding that happy medium that works for you. Sometimes a bundle of minis in a box set can have a decent price that I am willing to pay for, it just has been far too long since I have.
I think that last box set I bought was the Kill Team Octarius. But others have just been going up in price and don't feel like they are worth it.
I agree with you 💯 percent
GW Profits is not just Minis & Paints.
Its IP aswell. So Mobile Games, MacFarlen Dolls, Tshirts Cups, Licensing ect.
If they cared about Mini sales they would have Stuff in Stock. You cant buy many Miniatures even recent ones like Lion El Johnson or Angron.
They dont care about Players or the Game.
They care about Scalpers and overpriceing 10 cents of Platstic to 100,-€ +
Great video, my man! I've definitely been supplementing my collection more and more with 3D printed miniatures myself, lately. The detail is great and there's such a great variety of of scuplts for proxy units that you can really get a style and flavor of models that really fit your tastes these days! I still feel like overall, GW still has my favorite minis in the buisiness and a quality that I still feel is the best, but I find that 3D prints are a welcome addition to my hobbying.
Keep up the great work!
~ Wolfbrother Methos
hey FrostandFists
yeah I enjoy both GW stuff and 3d printed, most times I print it is for patreons where I do a lot of Warhammer fantasy as well and print things for friends. I also buy from GW, well not for a while since prices have gone up a bit.
Fancy vid mate, I liked seeing some of the stations you have set up, and how you go about doing the magic!
The editing has gotten better over time too!
Cheers brother, it was a bit of a headache trying to film after so long off but I had a lot of fun getting back into it.
3D printing is fun, hope to get more people into 3D printing!.
The fact that i saw my ww1 beekys in a Split second of you serching for stls fills me with so much joy
haha nice
I agree about the prices of the minis. I would love to support GW and buy more Warhammer minis, but it's so expensive to get into. I recently spent 50 dollars on a T'au battlesuit, and while it's a high quality mini, and it's a really cool one at that, I spent more on that than I did on a game I recently bought, and the mini is already sitting on a shelf collecting dust since I don't even play Warhammer, meanwhile I plan to do another playthrough of that game already. So I really don't feel like I get my money out of WH entirely.
I agree emrickazor2610 , GW has gone too high when it comes to their prices. Slowly but surely pricing people out of the hobby, I love Warhammer always have but it is very hard to pass up using a 3D printer to get what you want for far less.
@@NatesMiniatures Yeah and the worst part is Cyberpunk Red is the cheapest alternative when it comes to minis with guns and shit, but even those minis are expensive. Fallout Wasteland Warfare? Yeah no chance...
Only problem with 3d printing is resin is horrible to kitbash, superglue is a pain in the ass compared to polycement
Thanks for leaving a comment PucknellProductions and mate you are right!. Not to mention you really should be using a mask when you sand resin miniatures, that stuff is still nasty if it gets in your system.
True
You can digitally kitbash far easier and with much more creative freedom. You can digitally mold different STLs easily ina program as basic as Microsoft's free 3D Builder.
@@thenathanimal2909 great idea mate, sometimes I forget about kit bashing the digital files.
@@thenathanimal2909I’d rather get dirty with green stuff and make something as I go on! The little mistakes I make doing it add to the character !
With photogrammetry being a thing, and the way the community is lashing out against GW now, pirated models are gonna skyrocket. It'll be easier than ever.
I do think 3d printing minis that look like GW minis is becoming a lot easier and harder to truly shutdown.
Aquilon has some terrific eradicator sculpts
I will have to check them out, thanks for the recommendation TheAncientOfRites 🙌👌
Most patreons are pre-supported and standard resin is crazy brittle. Use an ABS-like resin or better. Sunlu makes a pretty cheap ABS-like and its actually really good. Use Ethyl Alchohol to clean your prints. Leave them in 45min-1hr no more and support removal is a breeze. Just be super sure to wear gloves, ethyl will do a number on your skin.
Thanks brother, might try that. I have heard of Sunlu ABS like resin and probably going to try that eventually. I think at the start I bought a lot of Anycubic standard resin because it was the cheapest I could get, but having a stronger resin is probably the best way to go for miniatures.
I was thinking one day of printing out a Warlord titan and thinking about how brittle that would be in standard resin makes me want to rethink that idea.
generally speaking, I think that 3D printing will settle down at a similar place as video-game piracy.
it is lost sales, but it also a way for people who don't have the money or are afraid of the massive costs to enter into the hobby and eventually may buy into it.
HES BACK, amazing video Nate. I personally think at some point we will see some kind of GW stl. or possibly a Character Builder like hero forge.
hey Miniocalypse thanks mate, I do think that is wishful thinking though lol. GW will not let go of their i.p like that
It is also alot cheaper than buying packs. It is easy to get the same quality using anything 2k plus. I got into an argument with a gw employee over this conversation he thinks you need a special printer, dunce. They should just sell files for packs officially.
Yeah that employee does not know what they are talking about, $165 USD printer will get you good results it is all about dialing it in for the resin you are using. Mine is not dialed in yet I just used the standard Lychee settings for the Anycubic Grey resin I was using, so you could get waaaay better quality with working on it a bit more. Thanks for commenting gamerreligion3575 🙌🙌
Space marine Squarepants solos the entire games workshop's store.
hahaha I thought it was funny when I seen it XD you are the first one to comment on that hahaha
@@NatesMiniatures Im disappointed that no one else is talking about this piece of art 😞
@@Goggletraductor117 haha
"But the thing about 3D printing is that, it cost you nothing to print again"
And that, my friend. Is why you should invest on a 3D printer. Also, don't forget that it's not limited to Warhammer. You can print what ever the hell you want with it. Lmao
3d printing is just pure fun, so many creators that make minis out there to print. I even made my own mini ^_^
GW needs to get in with a slicer company and make a locked stl that can be printed X number of times before having to be purchased again. Like many DRM type things. That way they can charge a low price for the stl, knowing that the purchaser will only get so many prints off of it. Any use of it not inside that window is illegal and they could sue. Course that wont stop people from figuring out a way around it, that isn't any different that anything else,, if one could say, buy a full squad stl for $20, and have official units you can use in tournaments, vs free stl's you cant, many would shell out that $20. Its like states who legalize marihuana, they finally figured out, people are getting high, your not able to stop it, might as well be able to tax it. People are printing alternatives already, for the most part they do it because they cant afford the real ones and printing them is a fraction of the cost. They might care about not being able to play official matches, but they likely don't. However, if a cheap alternative existed, that was match legal. They also just might, and your making money on people who otherwise wouldn't have used your stuff.
Ooops I scheduled the video but must of checked the no comments box XD. Way to screw your own video over Nathan haha🤣🤣
Great video. As someone who is trying to get into 40k, I'm debating on saving for a printer or just buying from GW.
Thanks mate, if you are new to Warhammer 40k it might be best to buy some models from eBay cheaper first to see if you like the painting side of things.
I know for me when I got a 3d printer I don't buy minis from the store anymore.
@NatesMiniatures Honestly, the more I look at the painting/assembly aspect of it, I think I will try one of the starter sets. I appreciate the advice. 👍
@@tmgpurify3458 have fun mate :D
I'm pretty happy with my WH40K 3D printed "space communists" painted with Walmart Apple Barrel paint and home brew ink wash from Hobby Town. Sure I've had a few failures, some catastrophic, but still the price point (including a cheap printer), it's way more bang for the buck than my legit GW Space Wolves and Tyranid minis.
Will they ever be show or brag quality? Nope, but even with the best paints and mini sculpts I'll never be that good, so who cares.
I don't play tournaments and people I play with also have 3D prints filling their lines. So don't have to worry about not being allowed to play "proxie" minis either.
thanks for commenting @domandred, playing with mates is probably where a lot of people get their fun out of the hobby anyway. 3D printing for me is just freedom, I can print for my mates and create enough minis for them with a one liter bottle of resin.
It is also a really good way to practice painting, spare parts and so on. 3D printing is wild.
awesome video mate I have an anycubic mono 4k and it prints perfectly I have printed an exocrine and does an awesome job, looking forward to seeing more videos
I did print off an exocrine for a friend a long while back when I first bought the Elegoo Saturn, I have heard the Anycubic mono 4k is a great printer. Cheers for watching brother 👌
Such an amazing job, i do how ever say there is smaller details on gw ones that show off things
Certain areas yours is flat where gw has depths but regardless it looks great and for a fraction of the price im getting a printer
I just want to paint minis opposed to buying and going bank rupt to paint them
Its hard enough with how expensive paints are lol
haha I agree @clubskitzhardstyle the thing is with that specific model is from one creator, there are plenty of others that have put more details into their sculpts.
3D printing is a great addition to the hobby, being able to print out your minis when ever you want is great. But it does start a whole new pile of shame 😂
Aside from cost savings, my favorite aspect of 3d printing is my ability to re-scale minis. I don't game, so I only paint them. Being "official" doesn't matter to me, and as I've gotten older, my eyesight and dexterity isn't what it used to be. Making them 30% bigger is a huge advantage to me.
That is a good way to look at it, being able to scale them to a size that you are good with so you can paint them is a great idea.
I have snuck into alot of Gw tournaments just buy a few of the important models and I swear no one even notices just paint and wash
hahaha you will now be known as the GW Tournament Ninja
My preferred method for "glueing" resin models together, apply some resin to the area with a brush and then us a UV torch to cure it. Super glue is ok, but with this method you can mend models in seconds.
I will probably try that on some larger models, I had this Chaos Dwarf video in the works and I never finished the army because I dropped the main lord on a winged bull mount and it shattered lol.
I should of pinned it, for some reason I was holding the wing when painting it and the glue just gave way lol.
I'm gonna try to 3d print me and da boys faces on ultra marines. It's gona be lit
I have four 3D printers. I have 10TB of files. I print non-stop. Also me: I just dropped 1075 euro on gw minis today.
Haha nothing wrong with that mate, I also did not buy a printer to stick it to gw, but to open more doors in the hobby.
For example, I was able to design and print my miniature.
@@NatesMiniatures yeah me too. I dropped an entire range of female IG
These files...
Mazing.
Not really sure what kind of comparison i was expecting from someone who didn't even bother to remove the moldlines on the plastic one. Literally all the small details look worse on the 3D printed model. It's like comparing a statue to a living person. Sure, I can tell what the statue is but, it's missing many of the small details that bring something to life.
Woah you came in with a mission omega8822 , I am sorry it did not meet you expectations.
@NatesMiniatures sorry if it came off as personally insulting, genuinely didn't think you would see it, I think the reason GW is able to charge what they do is because of all the high level of detail they have on their models, and I don't think 3D printing is really close to that.
@@omega8822 that is more than fair mate, I think everyone is unique and can think for them selves. For one person something is at a point where it is good enough and others it is not even close, same thing can be said about value for money it differs from person to person.
Don't worry about it brother, I do youtube and bound to come into insults from time to time and yours was not insulting.
It was a fair statement, I did not remove the mold lines that well and should of. 👌
We need to print GW down a peg or two.
haha maybe one day
great vid dude, cant wait to start printing my own designs hopefully soon haha
haha nice Pale, send pic of your stuff when you are done man
Been printing for a year now. I find that Gorilla Super Glue Gel works best. Even used it to put back really fine bits that snapped off no problem.
It did seem to hold very nice, also I prefer a gel type super glue less chance of sticking your fingers together with run off haha. Thanks for commenting brother 🙌🙌
not only can you use if for warhammer stuff you can get STLs from other things and print those too
Yeah there is a lot of things you can do with printers, I even sculpted and printed my own mini
I'm trying to wrap my head around scales. Alot of creators have their mini files made for the new smaller 28mm format, but the old 32mm format is my cup of tea. I went to put some figs together yesterday and I realized midway through I printed the wrong sized arms and it gave me a heart attack because I think I have to redo alot of my already built marines
It can be a little bit of a pain, in the slicer it is easy enough to just type in the mm you want. But yeah I get a little stuck here as well as some are 28mm and 32mm like you said. I guess on the plus size now your marines look super jacked?
Where in Brazil the dollar is 5x our currency and we pay importing taxes that multiply the prices by 2-4x. A small army that would cost 1/10 of a minimum wage in the US, here costs 12/10 of our minimum wage with the taxes.
So yeah we 3D print our units here. if it was manufactured in South America as well and we only payed the dollar conversion rate then sure we would buy them since the price would be around 3-4/10 of our minimum wage which is fair price for a hobby, but see you until never GW....
Ouch! yeah I would be 3D printing in Brazil as well.
I don’t do table top but I do print my own space marines. I like that I can make them much more realistic and accurate, and less cartoon looking than the real stuff.
I mostly make mine large in McFarlane scale. So my terminators are about 9-11 inches tall and I can make them incredibly detailed.
I was thinking of doing the same to have some painted statues around the house.
@@NatesMiniatures you should, it’s awesome. I am not artistic so this is my way of creating what I envision in my head.
HE IS BACK!
haha cheers mate, I am very happy to be back at creating and feel like part of the community. Been a long time.
I compared a termagaunt I printed with one I assembled from GW. The fact of the matter is, there really is no difference. The 3d mini is slightly better, and I got those files for free lol.
Even this file I had is a very very old one from memory, there are way better and more detailed ones out there. It is truly just up to the sculptor to put the extra detail into it.
I printed out those exact eradicaters 2 days ago I'm new to 3d printing but I should have got into the forever ago
haha very nice eddiedavis9429 3D printing can get very addictive 👍
Check out thin super glue and baking soda to assemble miniatures. Do it for science
haha will do, thanks for commenting ryantaft8827
As much as I am not a fan of how expensive the prices are, I'm fine with buying direct. I do have 3D printed models, but only for units no longer being made like Elysian Drop Troos or are extremely dated like Catachan Jungle FIghters. If and/or when old ranges get refreshed, I have no problem buying the official models.
thanks for commenting Avera9eWh1teShark6 I have no issue with buying from GW if I feel the value is worth it, I have Kill Team boxes, 2 player starter sets, warcry and so on. Lately for me, the stuff that GW has put out is getting more expensive and less value. But if they bring out something I think has value I will buy it.
3D printing is fantastic for older models and also different takes on models, I recently found some True scale terminators and they look absolutely fantastic.
Welcome back!
Thanks brother!
I dont have a problem with 3d printing as long as you are still supporting your local store like if its a plastic kit maybe buy it even if you are planning on printing bits. For forge world models since local stores cant order them it makes sense to me to print.
Whenever there is a deal I buy through my local store, I usually, always buy my paints and other hobby supplies all the time so I do feel like I am still supporting them. But you are right i3aden we still need to be supporting our FLGS
No way I'm shelling out that much money for plastic. I still buy all my paints, brushes, ans accessories at a flgs....but gw models? No effing way
“This is the end of GW.” -Comment section on every 3d printing video for the last 5 years or so. I’m sure one day resin 3d printing will surpass plastic injection molding. It’s not today. Tomorrow doesn’t look so good either.
Oh I agree falsehero2001, I used to work in injection molding plants for car companies and personally know the production ins and outs of it. It is far cheaper to produce miniatures on a large scale with injection molding and
takes far less time as well. Thanks for commenting mate 👌
@@NatesMiniatures thanks for being reasonable. I know your happy with your 3d prints but I’m still waiting for the next iteration or two before I start digging GW’s grave.
@@falsehero2001 that is more than fair brother, I understand completely. I personally did not buy the Elegoo Saturn until it was out for a year. I also don't like 3d printer reviews where they say it is good quality... That is cool but tell me how much a replacement screen will be, how long will it last. These things cost and I want to know how much.
3. methylated spirits are significantly worse for your health than isopropyl alcohol
Only if you drink it? same with isopropyl. Vapours are unlikely to cause any health risk for short periods of time, you could get dizzy from the vapours same as for Iso. But both have the same toxic levels, and both are used in general house hold items like window cleaner and such.
Either way if you drink both I would not be game to time who gets sick first.
One of the biggest advantages of 3d printing is that you can now properly scale your miniatures not gonna lie true scale marines and rhino chassis are sexy.
That is a very good point garywhite8292 , I just found myself some true scale terminators I have for the backlog and they look freaking great 👌
nice print and i would'nt worry about the scale just say its a primarus model as they are a little bit bigger lol
Super Marine! haha
Great video mate!
Thanks brother 👌
Im able to 3d print epic size miniatures for Adeptus Titanicus basing. So ye.
heck yeah!
Who would want to play at the warhammer store anyways tbh?
This is true
I'm an old school GW hobbyist, 2nd edition lead models were the norm. I used to convert a lot of models. What I don't understand is if you 3D print a model that is extremely close to a GW model, how does GW know its 3D printed instead of being a conversion?
I once converted some Eldar Exodites. GW didn't make models of these. I used steeds of slaanesh, High Elf mounted legs and Harlequins torsos, arms and heads. There was nothing like these in the GW range but were accepted by the local store. Yes, they were mostly GW parts and green stuff but 3D printing wasn't a thing back then. If it was I would have used 3D parts too.
I just don't get how GW know what is going on under the paint.
I am not entirely sure they do, I guess it would be more someone pointing it out for them in some capacity. I remember fondly back in 1997 when my mate got me into Warhammer, he would convert and cast parts all the time. For me the hobby is what we make it, not what the company tells us we can do with it.
Great Video!
Thanks for dropping by Mr Troy 👌👌
I really wish people would stop perpetuating the myth that 3-D printing resin is toxic.
Please please every chemical that you buy has an MSDS or Material safety data sheet. If you read these sheets almost all of them say they are neurotoxic if ingested, and MAY cause skin iritation from prolonged exposure and to wash your eyes out with water if splashed in your eyes.
Basically, goggles or glasses are more important than gloves and Just use the same precautions you would use when changing your car's oil. Saying it's toxic literally scares people out of trying to 3-D print things it's bad for the hobby and it's wrong.
thanks for dropping by arfieldwithissuez the fact that it causes those symptoms is cause for concern considering you can handle the plastic miniature with no worries right?.
I have seen some of the "rashes" the it may cause and it can nearly look like 3rd degree burns, so I will always advocate to wear all your protective PPE when handling the stuff in its uncured form and it is important to remind people to do so and not get complacent.
But after all that yes, UV resin is a toxic substance that requires strict safety precautions. In its uncured liquid form, UV resin contains irritants that can be harmful to humans, as well as pollutants that can be harmful to the environment and other living species.
Thanks for leaving a comment mate 🙌🙌
I don't know anything about painting. Wouldn't it be easier to use a black plastic then you wouldn't have to paint a base black layer?
The black paint is a primer, it basically helps the next layer of paint to stick to the plastic other wise it can scratch off kinda easy.
GW 3d prints all their initial models before the moulds are made.
Yeah it makes sense to do that for their tests and I don't think it is silly for them to do that at all. Many companies actually used to make large first offs with clay before going through the process of making a full production line of miniatures. Thanks for dropping by davidyokiel 👌👌
Mexico is worse regarding prices, sometimes the prices double when trying to get localy, or shipping fees can be ludricously high since "GW doesn't ship to your country"
Sorry to hear that brother, guessing 3d printing is the way for you then?
@@NatesMiniatures kinda since they are not cheap either, but on the long run they might be
@@smoke264 hopefully you are able to work out something, I would rather more people in the hobby then out.
what is the name of the file you printed? Who made it?
If you youse 8K resin, details are better.
Well that marine doesnt have much "details" anyways.
Nah it is not the resin that gets the details mate, mainly the settings on the printer. Some resins look more detailed because of the colours they go with.
I think Jim from Once in a Six Sided actually did a video on this topic.
But this was done a long while ago and I will revisit one day soon.
Games Workshop seriously need to think about revamping their business model. I guess they still sell paint even for "knockoff" figures, but really they should sell their own STL files for figures and scenery. Perhaps even a subscription model where people get a bunch of freebies each month. If they're smart they could even watermark the models to discourage sharing & piracy.
I have seen that Mantic Games has started doing a subscription model for their STL files. It would be good if GW did that but I seriously doubt they will ever do anything like that. It would be nice though, being able to print official GW models at home direct from GW.
Great video Nate! Learnt alot and well made. My opinion on this is that I'm lazy and it seems like too much work and hassle and mess to print myself so I'll just pay GW or maybe pay hobby 3D printers
Thanks @ASKatona , nothing wrong with that mate. Sometimes I feel a bit lazy myself and don't pull the print off the print bed for another day or two after printing 🤣
Beautiful work but I find myself wondering how many Warhammer fans will go through the work involved with 3d printing. Also, are there any illegal printing/selling companies out of China or elsewhere? Just thinking outloud how these changes will impact GW.
Unsure about printing services for 1:1 copies of GW products but I am guessing there probably is. For me, I really don't think there is much to 3D printing that is a big effort.
But I do have my routine I stick to with printing, washing, and curing. And that seems to work out for me very well.
I still prefer not to print out 1:1 models, and to be honest apart from the videos I have made on them. That is really the only time I have done so, there are just so many other great alternatives that are close but still their own thing I rather put my time into.
And thank you for the kind words @kenchoi702 🙌🙌
Looks like a Tru Scale Marine!!
I do like True scale marines!
I can get way cooler and unique printed models off etsy than gw's stuff now.
My Model of ursula creed from the pinup guard models (pinup marshall iirc) is superior to GW's dull sculpt. Also the etsy stuff takes minimal assembly, so great for people who dislike gw's overly complicated packs.
I think one of the best things with 3D printing is the freedom for talented artists to show their skills with little restrictions. Freaking amazing.
Any argument that Printing is not as detailed as cast molds went out the window last year, we have 8k printers and DLP printers which actually blow away cast models for fine detail. And they are getting easier, the resin cheaper and less toxic. Give it a few more years and cast models will be mostly out.
I would love a 8k printer @Kconv1 I have been watching the quality that people have been getting out of them and it blows my mind.
Starbond Thin is the absolute best glue for both resin and pla prints. I''d check it out it's pretty cheap.
sweet thanks henryb1233 I will hunt around for it
Pretty sure i know where those came from ;) just picked up a mars 3 and plan on printing these guys myself this upcoming week
Defs got a sub from me
Thanks brother, they are some good files to print. Mars 3 is a very good printer from what I have seen, and a sub as well!
Thank you mate it truly does mean a lot.
This aged well as GW is loosing members left and right at the moment due to their moves on lore.
What happened with lore?
being excluded by your gw store it means never get to play a game to a lot of people unfortunately, also finding files that look exactly like the real thing is borderline impossible
I understand, I would hate for anyone to get excluded from playing the game. This is one of the reasons why I don't hate on buying official GW products.
That and printing is just not for everyone.
Make a video like this for Old World
haha maybe one day
3d printing is too dang hard, you basically need a BS in engineering to do it and make it right.
lol it aint THAT bad haha
@@NatesMiniatures Not that bad but still out of the realm of possibility for most people.
@@ZX-ou5op that is fair, it is a bit of a process after printing with cleaning and you do need the room to do it all compared to walking into a store and buying a box of minis.
the only reason why i dont print my own minis is becouse i dont have a roomspace only for the printer in my house. thats toxic and i have a kid in my house so for now is a NO NO for me.
That is a good reason not to have a resin printer, good ventilation and making sure you have the right PPE and you think about how you will go about containing resin spills around the room.
It is still a chemical that needs to be handled with some care.
3d printing is another hobby on its own and comes with a new set skills and issues you need to learn. I honestly don't see the need to get into it since I don't need a new army every few months.
That is fair, but I don't think 3d printing is actually that difficult at all, some make it sound harder then it actually is but once you figure out how a printer works it is kinda easy. Just another tool for our hobby. Thanks for commenting dredsirius 👌🙌
@@NatesMiniatures 100% agreed. I have very little technical aptitude and mastered 3D printing/supporting in a month. Now I can print entire armies for pennies on the dollar. I can also digitally kitbash different files to make my very own models the way I want them to be!
@@thenathanimal2909 I feel like THIS is what the hobby is meant to be about, I got into the hobby around 1997 and kit bashing and casting parts and minis were just a thing. It is just now we have 3d printing.
I just wish GW would get with the times.
The writing is on the wall, they are stuck with horse and buggies while the model T is starting to take off. They can ban these models from their stores, but it doesn't stop anyone. Plus they have very customer hostile practices. I am printing a full high elf army because ALL of the GW models have disappeared for the high elf line save for shadow warriors and Phoenix guard.
If GW sold fifty or forty dollar STL files, I would be super down, I would still use bootleg models, but I would also have an army for GW stores. They can figure this out or not, but honestly I don't want them to. Life is much better with free and cheap prints, and my LFS loves printed models because my gaming group still has to buy paint, glue and tools somewhere. God knows I will go through more paint than ever because I am going to go in for Skaven and Orks now that I have the resources.
It is hard to pass up the freedom 3d printing brings to the hobby, GW do feel like they are stuck in the past. Being able to print your own stuff to paint and play is amazing, not only that but 3d printing now allows people who want to make their own miniatures more of a reality.
@@NatesMiniatures For sure! I'm back at University now, and my DnD club is full of 3D artists who have made their own STL files for characters, monsters and items for DnD campaigns, it's nuts! Really cool time to be hitting a tabletop
@@callusklaus2413 that is freaking amazing!
3D prints full minis but has a full indomitus box lying around and complains about price. You guys buy everything anyways and still 3d print and complain
Price vs value, this box was good value when I got it with the extra 20% discount at the time. And am I not allowed to 3d print and buy if I want to?. I can complain about price as I was referring to the price hike again. Thanks for commenting
The video is not very clear but the pose and looks on the 3D printed models does not look good in my opinion
That is fair
Hey Nate! Nicely done mate! So was the 3d printed file larger from the get go or? 👍🤔
Thanks Leif, the file for the marine was already larger yes. I just completely forgot about scaling it to the plastic marine 🙌
The quality is there, but the longevity isn't. Resin printing was never designed to be an end product. It was designed for prototyping. Every single UV resin will brittle over time, and centers of models do not fully cure unless you are printing clear. There's a reason why pro companies using 3d printing still take their prints and cast them in a different resin.
I left the tabletop world years ago as pricing from GW was getting silly. Getting a resin printer setup soon to try my hand at it.
Welcome back, it is a little bit of a learning curve but there are some big facebook groups out there that know everything about printing.
@@NatesMiniatures Thanks dude, I've been fdm printing for a couple years but resin looks a little more involved lol
Stupid question, what if you froze the model and then diped it into hot water to stress break the supports? Or focused the heat to the tip of the support where it meets the model. Generally, just curious! Great video
Not stupid at all, since this video using hot water and just dunking them for 20 seconds or so makes it so much easier to remove the supports. But the idea you put forward sounds like it would work as well.
Not 100% sure with the freezing because then I am guessing the rest of the model might also be super brittle but it would need testing.
@NatesMiniatures yes, I would imagine if you could localize the heat to one spot, it might work great. Maybe with an electic lighter? I will test it out!
@@CanuckHam Let me know how you go, careful of the fumes obviously.
@NatesMiniatures Hey Nate! OMG it works way better than I expected. My process is as follows: Freeze uncured miniatures after a wash (about 3 hours), bring hot water to a point where it's just about to boil (small bubbles appear but do not float to the suface), dunk model in hot water fully. Wait about 10-20 seconds. Remove supports. Resin Used was waterwashable.
@@CanuckHam Very nice, I have also tried something. I decided after washing my miniatures to leave them in a sealed tub where there was still some ipa.
Honestly I forgot about them for a day, but when I pulled them out the miniatures were fine but the supports just peeled away like a hot knife through butter.
So I don't play WH40k. I would like to give it a try. In fact I did, but I HATE assembling the models. One wrong clip and I ate too much money. when I had a guy who did play, show me to cut the arms off of the model, then put magnets in, so I could swap out weapons, I was like "I just wan to play the f'ing game and see if I like it". I was like $100 (US) in with a small Eldar (spelling) kit, and was hating it. Now I tell you this because I do have a 3d printer and I have printed a ton of miniatures I have painted for other games. "IF" Games Workshop sold me the complete freaking models that I could just click and print, then paint for a REASONABLE price, I might give this game a shot. So like I should be able to download say 2 decent armies of STL files, for say $100.00 (US). This should be say a 2,000 point army. Then I could print them out, and play with a friend. If I liked it I would buy more STL files from them. No more of the crap of "sold out". If a model breaks, I print a new one. Also the models should have the option of separate pieces OR put together. Now another thing I believe they should do is to offer models already assembled AND painted. So I and my buddy could go in, spend say $100 to $150 each and have a decent size army to play against each other that day. I am not saying 6 models vs 6 models. I am saying >15 models, of high quality and already painted. As it is now, if I wanted to pursue this game, I would buy their book(s), then download similar STL files to play with my friends. I may or may not paint them but I know my investment would not be so high and if I didn't like the hobby I could easily get out. If I liked it then I would push doing it with more friends. I realize I could go to EBAY and buy models already done, but I from my understanding of the game,, I would want to really figure out who is going to be in my 2,000 point army or even a 500 point army.
Legit my only reason why I still buy plastic kits is because I find putting them together to be really fun weirdly enough, otherwise i'd have switched to 3d modelling
Nothing wrong with that PIKAFUCKINGCHU I actually enjoy building plastic kits as well, sometimes with resin printing on large items there is no instructions and you just go with the flow you don't glue it upside down.
I put together my 3d printed models, most of them come with different legs, arms, weapons and heads just like the plastic models from GW.
I wonder which elegoo 3d printer generation receive name Elegoo Uranus?😂
hahaha that will be a fun youtube video one day XD
The only people I've met with gripes about 3d printed models was the poor quality. And after seeing what they did to their injection moulded box sets, 3d printing quality should be the least of their concerns.
Personally i have an epax x1k printer (1k res mono screen), and once the settings are dialed in, it churns out really immaculate models. Any issues are usually on my end with supports or not noticing a glob stuck to the film.
Yeah exactly, for me the Elegoo Saturn 4k does just fine. I usually run it at the 0.05 layer height but I have printed one mini at 0.03 and the quality increase was very noticable but the time to print puts me off of that a bit. The standard layer height is usually fine for me.
GW will certainly noy go out of business, because a resin printer can feel quite expensive short-term and has a certain learning curve. Buying models from an online shop is simpler
I get a few people telling me they would love to get into 3D printing but due to working with toxic liquid they just don't want to.
Hey dude, great video. It’s crazy how detailed 3D printers have gotten!
One minor request, and if it is too much trouble, completely ignore me. But it is really hard to see the details of the completed minis when they are being hit with so much colored light. Especially the 3D printed example, it was super hard to see your actual paint scheme.
Is it possible to get examples under a neutral light when showcasing stuff later on? Again, if it’s a ton of work, completely ignore me :) I’m just a viewer haha and I’ll watch either way!
Thanks again
Yeah have to totally agree with you there, Marley. The coloured light meant I missed a lot of detail. I'm using a giant screen too, so I hate to think what it'd be like on a phone. Really loved the video, just hard to see the comparison. Cheers!
03dashk64 that is completely reasonable request, I actually did have footage like that but during the editing it was cut because it did not fit with the overall edit. But I will make sure in the future that will be done as it is important to show the details under a natural light.
I usually use LUTs for my footage but not on the miniature shots for that reason, and it completely skipped my mind not to have so much RGB during the sexy shots, sorry mate.
Thanks for watching though and never feel bad for speaking up 🙌🙌
No worries bigbrowntau it will be fixed next time I do another video, thanks for dropping by mate 🙌
@@NatesMiniatures Thanks Nate! Much appreciated. I have a 2k printer, recently printed out some orks (made the same mistake as you with scale...looks like I have a new mob of nobs!), and have been considering upgrading to a 4k printer. I have 2 sons both into 40k, so it'd help the budget enormously.
@@bigbrowntau I have three kids of my own mate, 3d printing them an army would be a big savings for you.
The people who complain about printed mini quality don’t know how to thin paints to begin with so their criticism is irrelevant.
I have seen some people get absolutely amazing quality out of there 3d prints, it is crazy to me that people would say it at all.
Thanks for commenting bradiq306 🙌🙌