I really appreciate how you guys always talk about the history of the model, not just thoughts on the current version. Also you each share your unique preferences for fitment/feel, which helps viewers understand how the review applies to us
Love the Speed 3. I never ran in the Speed 1 or 2, so I will look forward to eventually giving the 4s a shot. Just bought another pair of 3s for $130 on sale.
Thanks for the review. I love long runs in the Speed 3, but reverted to Speed 1 for my half marathon to break the 1:45 barrier as the 3 was just a little too soft as a 198lb runner. I plan on wearing out the speed 3 over the spring/summer and Speed 4 will be high on marathon training/racing list in the fall.
@@io-rj6sk I think in part it was that they were first. The nylon plate felt revolutionary to me and I could really work through all my paces including 10 min/mile paces. The 2nd and third felt exactly like they described in the video. Too much in either direction.
Why would you want the new model to feel like the old model? That's the whole point of upgrading -- improvements. If you like the model you're in, then buy the same model...
@@messagedeleted4307because they stop selling the old model when the new model comes out. You can buy them discounted for a while, but once the stock is gone it’s gone forever.
Oh man same! The 2 is amazing and it’s getting so hard to find them at this point! The 3 rips my heel up everytime I wear them. Fingers crossed on the 4
Great review! I’m excited to hear this, the 3 wasn’t my favorite but enjoyed the miles logged. The 2 is still my favorite, hands down! So looking forward to this one.
Speed 1/2 is the greatest shoe I've ever owned and when I got the speed 3 I was very disappointed, but I found that the stability actual helped me a lot with some injuries I've been dealing with particularly adding a little 10mm wedge to the heel for my achillies rehab has made it into the perfect shoe for me. I wouldn't be where I am today with my running without the speed 3, I've tried so many different things but nothing works as well as it does. It's not quite as fast as the 1/2 but for a lot of runners it's going to be even better. Also nice to see saucony keeping up the tradition of making each new endorphin line uglier than the previous one 😂
Great review, thanks! I'm eagerly awaiting my 4's!! Is the SRS really a game changer? 😅 Hoping that tread will last up ro my usual ~350mi lifespan ive been getting oit of the previous versions. The spice is back!?
I’m running my first marathon this April! I originally was going to go with the Kinvara Pro’s for my race day shoe since I heard that the Endorphin wasn’t going to come out until April, I felt like April release was too close. Also it depended on what date in April. But now that’s not the case so now I’m definitely leaning towards this! I absolutely adored the Speed 3’s and I would take them out any chance I got so I’m sure these will blow the 3’s right out of the water!
Interesting seeing how much some love the version others hate! How different we are…I loved v1 but my favorite was v2 and I’m still putting miles on a 3rd pair of 2’s. I thought it was just as much fun as the OG, but the upper was more supportive and made the shoe feel more stable to me. I also have v3 which which is not as exciting, but versatile. However, I will definitely go over to v4 once my other Speeds are ready to donate or whatever. Very glad to hear v4 will be more like the earlier iterations.
Got the REI “leaked” colorway and have about 25 miles in them. Loved the 2, “meh” on the 3, still undecided on these. Not as stiff, light or snappy as the 2s, not as “baggy” feeling as the 3s were. Wish they didn’t go as wide in the heel as they have to overcorrect the “unstable” complaints on the 1 and 2. Improvement but still not as quick as the originals. Luckily have a few pairs of 2s with 300 or so miles left in each, then will go to a rotation of the 4 for longer, slow days and the Magic Speed 3 for tempos, Pro3/4 for race days.
Here after running 100 miles in my pair. The shoe felt very black and white. On some days it felt like it did what was advertised and on the others it wasn’t a fun ride. Also it slowed down a notch or two at around 75 miles. My advice would be the Boston 12, Hoka Mach or wait for the other shoes to release. Mizuno neo vista felt super soft but I’d weigh in on that
I loved the Speed 2, hated the Speed 3 and with the Speed 4 I feel it's as good as v2: fast shoe for any distance. I have to say: I am in love with the Speed 4, madly in love
If I had Achilles issues with the heel counter on the endorphin speed 3 do you think that issue would keep happening because of a similar heel counter design or is it different
I got PB in my marathon race just 2weeks ago with my Speed 2, but I was very close to get a pair of Speed 3 in the prior weeks but finally didn't. My Speed 2 with 850km are doing great in terms of outsole durability but maybe a little less snappy. I think I may retire when adding max150km. Will have to check if Speed 3 on sale or maybe wait for the 4s. For being my first ever Saucony, pretty satisfied.
Great Vid. Been looking forward to these for a while… loved the Speed 2’s and Speed 3’s for different reasons. Quick question. I have the Comrades Marathon coming up in June. It’s 90km n need to buy the shoe I’m going to do it in pretty soon to get some miles in them. I’m thinking Speed 4 or Pro 3 or what do you suggest… it’s going to be long n slow, sub 9 hours at around 6min/km… any help would be great. Thanks
Is the toe box still narrow. I found the speed 3 was wide apart from the narrow toe box. Also is the pro 4 toe box super narrow I couldn’t even use the pro 3 at a full size up because of it . Nike , new balance and ASICS super shoes all fit me
Did you have to size up in the speed 3 compared to other shoes? I typically wear a size 10.5 in the novablast series, but was looking into picking up a pair of speed 3 on sale. Fleet feet recommended sizing up, but others have said the they fit TTS.
@@samkovalchik5655 I’d say there true to size although the toe box is a little narrow but not as narrow as the pro 3 If they did a half size up in my size I’d like to have tried that because of toe box but then the rest of shoe would probably be too big
Appreciate the reply Steve! I ended up ordering two sizes to see which fits better, and I'll probably just return the other pair lol It seems that the speed series has been different in terms of sizing with each new iteration.@@steveh8758
Been a huge fan of all the Endorphins since they came out. I still have a few Pro 1's that I love for track day. (Vaporflys for Marathon race day). But have run through a few pair of Speed 3's now and have just fallen in love with them as daily trainers. They have enough support and cushion and are so much more fun to run in than really any daily trainers I have tried. So- Not really looking for something speedier in the 4. Now just need to decide if grabbing another pair of 3's on sale or going for the 4's as my next DTs.
I wonder how much of the change in feel is due to the Sock liner, and if that is chiefly responsible for the speedier feel, how durable that will be and how long this shoe will last as a "jack of all trades" before it reverts to comfortable/slow day trainer.
Still loving my speed 1, one of the best shoes I’ve worn, still using them after 500 Miles. Still disappointed with the Speed 3, using them now as a good daily trainer ( though I will always prefer the Puma Deviate Nitro 2 over the speed 3 ). I am passing on the 4 because of that…
Ran 10miles in a pair of Speed 4’s & found them way too firm! Love the lightweight and roll through of the plate but my ankles/knees hurt after that 10 miler. Been wearing an SC Trainer V2 with no trouble. I’m surprised that you all felt like the cushioning was good on this model.
I’ve never worn Saucony because of my narrow feet. They’ve always felt too roomy in the toe box. Usually have to stick with Nike. How are these for people with narrow feet?I’m a size 10.5/ 11 D, but probably closer to B width.
Not sure on comparison to men but my feet are a 2.5 I wear a 3 and this and Nike are the only brand that fits well, I do a runners knot to support my ankle and have high arch insoles! They’ve been fab just hit 600km in them so thinking of going from the 3 to the 4
Sounds like it's a very similar shoe to the speed 3. Which for me personally was a massively overhyped shoe. Wasn't particularly great at going fast but wasn't great for runs over 10 miles either. I feel the boston 12 does the fast stuff a lot better and the novablast 4 does the longer stuff better. So really left it in no man's land. The pro 3 really did everything better which didn't help there case. No doubt if you liked the 3 you'll like this one.
Every review I’ve seen or read including this one suggest this version is an improvement over v3. I don’t know how you got the impression it’s very similar.
@levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183 so you say an improvement but not different. So similar then? Sometimes you have to read between the lines. Still has softer foam and flexible plate in the foam. So it's not speed 2 replacement it's a reworked speed 3 so it's going to be very close to previous shoe.
Has anyone experienced hot-spots in the 4's? My 3's were awesome and I do love the ride of my 4's but I'm getting hot-spots on the pads of my pinky toes.
Still miss the 2s....you could do anything in them...and they provided a thicker rubber...the 3s and 4s look like they only give you 40% of thag rubber
Various reviews say the outsole is better on v4. I found the v1 and 2 didn’t have great outsole durability so maybe the formula on this one has improved. You can’t tell everything just by looking. Also, I did not see the difference in rubber thickness between v1, 2 or 3 that you’re describing.
@levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183 I have the 2 and the 3...the thickness in rubber was the first thing that I noticed once I got the 3...and the 4s by the looks of it is similar to the 3s
@@chinpoeykhoo6261Unlike the Saucony Endorphin Speed series where there is no break-in process, the Boston 12's upper becomes more conforming and the midsole becomes more alive after a couple of wks. of regular use. As Edd Budd would say they need a good tenderizing out of the box.
I really dont understand what « true to size » means. I mean, in regular shoes I use to have 46. In asics I need 47, In hoka 46,5 and with those saucony, 48!!! 😂😂😂😂😂 true to size huh….
I really appreciate how you guys always talk about the history of the model, not just thoughts on the current version. Also you each share your unique preferences for fitment/feel, which helps viewers understand how the review applies to us
The Speed 2 and the Speed 3 had a baby!!! Perfect combo!! No brainer 👍👏
Love the Speed 3. I never ran in the Speed 1 or 2, so I will look forward to eventually giving the 4s a shot. Just bought another pair of 3s for $130 on sale.
Thanks for the review. I love long runs in the Speed 3, but reverted to Speed 1 for my half marathon to break the 1:45 barrier as the 3 was just a little too soft as a 198lb runner. I plan on wearing out the speed 3 over the spring/summer and Speed 4 will be high on marathon training/racing list in the fall.
I dig the Kofuzi shirt and the shoe looks good too.
The first speed was the best shoe I’ve ever worn. Can’t wait for this one.
what about its successors? and what made u love 1st one so much?
@@io-rj6sk I think in part it was that they were first. The nylon plate felt revolutionary to me and I could really work through all my paces including 10 min/mile paces. The 2nd and third felt exactly like they described in the video. Too much in either direction.
Looking forward to wearing this bad boy at work tomorrow
How did it go?
Just purchased a pair of these in citron.. super comfy. Total game changer. Well worth the money
Loved the 3s. Might have to get the 4s
me as well. i ground them down to nubbins 😃
Still love my Speed 2. Used today for my 18k long run. Hoping Speed 4 feels like the 2.
Love the 2 as well, and am still working on a 3rd pair.
Why would you want the new model to feel like the old model? That's the whole point of upgrading -- improvements. If you like the model you're in, then buy the same model...
Speed 2s are legit. I have 3 pairs. No funny business. Straight to the point. Lace up amd run fast.
@@messagedeleted4307because they stop selling the old model when the new model comes out. You can buy them discounted for a while, but once the stock is gone it’s gone forever.
Oh man same! The 2 is amazing and it’s getting so hard to find them at this point! The 3 rips my heel up everytime I wear them.
Fingers crossed on the 4
Great review! I’m excited to hear this, the 3 wasn’t my favorite but enjoyed the miles logged. The 2 is still my favorite, hands down! So looking forward to this one.
I loved the speed 2 and there was no replacement for it. Super excited for the 4!
I picked up the REI / Saucony collab and so far I love it. Slightly firmer and better outsole. Great review.
I love my ES3 so glad to hear the fours are recommended too. They really made a great shoe and glad they didn't mess it up.
Been a fan of the Speed since V1. Nearly 500 miles on the V3. Outstanding evolution. Looking forward to trying the V4.
Speed 1/2 is the greatest shoe I've ever owned and when I got the speed 3 I was very disappointed, but I found that the stability actual helped me a lot with some injuries I've been dealing with particularly adding a little 10mm wedge to the heel for my achillies rehab has made it into the perfect shoe for me. I wouldn't be where I am today with my running without the speed 3, I've tried so many different things but nothing works as well as it does. It's not quite as fast as the 1/2 but for a lot of runners it's going to be even better. Also nice to see saucony keeping up the tradition of making each new endorphin line uglier than the previous one 😂
Very excited to try these. Pre-ordered mine
Great review, thanks! I'm eagerly awaiting my 4's!! Is the SRS really a game changer? 😅 Hoping that tread will last up ro my usual ~350mi lifespan ive been getting oit of the previous versions. The spice is back!?
Awesome review you guys.
AWESOME. I love my Speed 3's and am excited to get the 4's.
Nice. You guys have trended a little more towards the informative and less towards the goofing around lately and I prefer it.
Damn we are off our game. We will up the goofing.
Guest appearance by Kofuzi! These shoes are so exciting, I love the Endorphin Speed series!
Good morning. Like to Meaghan and Robbe.!!!! Saucony endorphin speed 4 for ever!!!!. A nice weekend for everyone.
I have speed 3 and I love them. Feel like they needed a little more comfort though. Gonna have to get the 4s.
My Speed 3s have 800km now. The Speed 4s are ordered and will arrive in 3 days. Dunno why of April, you can order them now in Germany.
How you finding them?
The speed 3 suited my foot well. But it was a bit bland while running in it. Had no "pop" or bounce. Looking forward to trying the 4.
Something about this colorway brings to mind early 2000s Nickelodeon or a fast food restaurant.
90's Taco Bell
I get ampm vibes
@@MrJdub905 YES!
😂
I’m running my first marathon this April! I originally was going to go with the Kinvara Pro’s for my race day shoe since I heard that the Endorphin wasn’t going to come out until April, I felt like April release was too close. Also it depended on what date in April. But now that’s not the case so now I’m definitely leaning towards this! I absolutely adored the Speed 3’s and I would take them out any chance I got so I’m sure these will blow the 3’s right out of the water!
Does the heel cup dig into your Achilles the way the 3 did?
Interesting seeing how much some love the version others hate! How different we are…I loved v1 but my favorite was v2 and I’m still putting miles on a 3rd pair of 2’s. I thought it was just as much fun as the OG, but the upper was more supportive and made the shoe feel more stable to me. I also have v3 which which is not as exciting, but versatile. However, I will definitely go over to v4 once my other Speeds are ready to donate or whatever. Very glad to hear v4 will be more like the earlier iterations.
Between 2 shoes, please!
Adidas Boston 12 vs. Saucony Endorphin Speed 4
REI has a colab on this one and it's out now, just bought a pair!
Got the REI “leaked” colorway and have about 25 miles in them. Loved the 2, “meh” on the 3, still undecided on these. Not as stiff, light or snappy as the 2s, not as “baggy” feeling as the 3s were. Wish they didn’t go as wide in the heel as they have to overcorrect the “unstable” complaints on the 1 and 2. Improvement but still not as quick as the originals. Luckily have a few pairs of 2s with 300 or so miles left in each, then will go to a rotation of the 4 for longer, slow days and the Magic Speed 3 for tempos, Pro3/4 for race days.
Here after running 100 miles in my pair. The shoe felt very black and white. On some days it felt like it did what was advertised and on the others it wasn’t a fun ride. Also it slowed down a notch or two at around 75 miles. My advice would be the Boston 12, Hoka Mach or wait for the other shoes to release.
Mizuno neo vista felt super soft but I’d weigh in on that
I loved the Speed 2, hated the Speed 3 and with the Speed 4 I feel it's as good as v2: fast shoe for any distance. I have to say: I am in love with the Speed 4, madly in love
All these shoes coming out month after month. Its like they know how to get me.
If I had Achilles issues with the heel counter on the endorphin speed 3 do you think that issue would keep happening because of a similar heel counter design or is it different
I loved the feel of that shoe and had to return them because they trashed my Achilles on the right side.
There the worst no wonder you have bad heels honestly try another company
Now I'm going to need a rebel 4 vs speed 4 video (I know you're already working on it)
They are in a completely different price range
@@Crimsonvandal If I'm already willing to drop $180cad then $220 might as well be the same price. Both are expensive.
I’m still unsure between this shoe and the rebel v4 🤔 tough decisions coming up
Interested to see the runshield version of this.
I got PB in my marathon race just 2weeks ago with my Speed 2, but I was very close to get a pair of Speed 3 in the prior weeks but finally didn't.
My Speed 2 with 850km are doing great in terms of outsole durability but maybe a little less snappy. I think I may retire when adding max150km.
Will have to check if Speed 3 on sale or maybe wait for the 4s. For being my first ever Saucony, pretty satisfied.
Great Vid. Been looking forward to these for a while… loved the Speed 2’s and Speed 3’s for different reasons. Quick question. I have the Comrades Marathon coming up in June. It’s 90km n need to buy the shoe I’m going to do it in pretty soon to get some miles in them. I’m thinking Speed 4 or Pro 3 or what do you suggest… it’s going to be long n slow, sub 9 hours at around 6min/km… any help would be great. Thanks
Look forward to grabbing a pair when they put out a decent colourway of the shoe!
it's the kofuzi tee for me lol
Is the toe box still narrow. I found the speed 3 was wide apart from the narrow toe box. Also is the pro 4 toe box super narrow I couldn’t even use the pro 3 at a full size up because of it .
Nike , new balance and ASICS super shoes all fit me
Did you have to size up in the speed 3 compared to other shoes? I typically wear a size 10.5 in the novablast series, but was looking into picking up a pair of speed 3 on sale. Fleet feet recommended sizing up, but others have said the they fit TTS.
@@samkovalchik5655 I’d say there true to size although the toe box is a little narrow but not as narrow as the pro 3
If they did a half size up in my size I’d like to have tried that because of toe box but then the rest of shoe would probably be too big
Appreciate the reply Steve! I ended up ordering two sizes to see which fits better, and I'll probably just return the other pair lol
It seems that the speed series has been different in terms of sizing with each new iteration.@@steveh8758
Same, it’s the medial taper on the Saucony toe boxes that I can deal with. My big toe hangs off the midsole 😢
At size 13, going up 1/2 a size isn’t an option, annoyingly.
I’d be curious to see their thoughts on the TYR Speedworks in comparison to these!
Been a huge fan of all the Endorphins since they came out. I still have a few Pro 1's that I love for track day. (Vaporflys for Marathon race day). But have run through a few pair of Speed 3's now and have just fallen in love with them as daily trainers. They have enough support and cushion and are so much more fun to run in than really any daily trainers I have tried. So- Not really looking for something speedier in the 4. Now just need to decide if grabbing another pair of 3's on sale or going for the 4's as my next DTs.
Thanks for the video and it was super helpful. Sorry I might missed it but how true is it to size?
TTS
Is the "SRS" Sockliner Powerrun HG or simmilar Foam?
Have them all ❤
Are these good for 1 mile tests and 5k tests
How is the size for the new SPEED 4 vs SPEED 3?
Fantastic review, looking forward to buying a pair when they arrive in Thailand.
How many miles do you think you would get out of these?
In Germany and Spain you can already buy them from their site BUT the want 200€ !!
I wonder how much of the change in feel is due to the Sock liner, and if that is chiefly responsible for the speedier feel, how durable that will be and how long this shoe will last as a "jack of all trades" before it reverts to comfortable/slow day trainer.
Wonder what the most cushioned speed day with plate shoe option is?
Still loving my speed 1, one of the best shoes I’ve worn, still using them after 500 Miles.
Still disappointed with the Speed 3, using them now as a good daily trainer ( though I will always prefer the Puma Deviate Nitro 2 over the speed 3 ). I am passing on the 4 because of that…
Speed 2 vs 4… which one are you choosing?
Love the 2s
Speed 3 gave me arch pain but adjustment on these speed 4 look clean and roomy
Speed 2 is the goat!
Sizing question - I found the Speed 3 a bit narrow in the Metatarsal area. If you compare the 2 insoles is the V4 wider?
I believe it's almost exactly the same
Is the superblast still something to consider? Its a $30 dollar difference from the speed 4
Yes
Suggestion for between two shoes episode.
Speed 4 vs Valkyrie Speedworks
Speed 4 vs magic speed 4
Speed 4 vs deviate nitro 3
🎉🎉🎉
Thank you all!
Ran 10miles in a pair of Speed 4’s & found them way too firm! Love the lightweight and roll through of the plate but my ankles/knees hurt after that 10 miler. Been wearing an SC Trainer V2 with no trouble. I’m surprised that you all felt like the cushioning was good on this model.
Update: PR’d a half in them so…I guess they broke in & worked out! ☺️
Check out the KOFUZI shirt!!
Any word on an Endorphin Shift 4 release?
Gone
I’ve never worn Saucony because of my narrow feet. They’ve always felt too roomy in the toe box. Usually have to stick with Nike. How are these for people with narrow feet?I’m a size 10.5/ 11 D, but probably closer to B width.
Not sure on comparison to men but my feet are a 2.5 I wear a 3 and this and Nike are the only brand that fits well, I do a runners knot to support my ankle and have high arch insoles! They’ve been fab just hit 600km in them so thinking of going from the 3 to the 4
I love these shoes but the one thing that’s letting this shoe down is the wear on the outsole. I’ve got 250kms on mine and are wearing pretty badly.
Is this anything like the Puma Deviate Nitro 2? I loved the PDN but the women's colors are ugly to me.
Sounds like it's a very similar shoe to the speed 3. Which for me personally was a massively overhyped shoe. Wasn't particularly great at going fast but wasn't great for runs over 10 miles either.
I feel the boston 12 does the fast stuff a lot better and the novablast 4 does the longer stuff better. So really left it in no man's land. The pro 3 really did everything better which didn't help there case.
No doubt if you liked the 3 you'll like this one.
Every review I’ve seen or read including this one suggest this version is an improvement over v3. I don’t know how you got the impression it’s very similar.
@levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183 so you say an improvement but not different. So similar then?
Sometimes you have to read between the lines.
Still has softer foam and flexible plate in the foam. So it's not speed 2 replacement it's a reworked speed 3 so it's going to be very close to previous shoe.
Yes…now make them in wide!!!
Has anyone experienced hot-spots in the 4's? My 3's were awesome and I do love the ride of my 4's but I'm getting hot-spots on the pads of my pinky toes.
This review needs coffee with a shot of red bull
Version 2 seems faster to me
Still miss the 2s....you could do anything in them...and they provided a thicker rubber...the 3s and 4s look like they only give you 40% of thag rubber
Various reviews say the outsole is better on v4. I found the v1 and 2 didn’t have great outsole durability so maybe the formula on this one has improved. You can’t tell everything just by looking. Also, I did not see the difference in rubber thickness between v1, 2 or 3 that you’re describing.
@levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183 I have the 2 and the 3...the thickness in rubber was the first thing that I noticed once I got the 3...and the 4s by the looks of it is similar to the 3s
Loved the 3s so was super excited for the 4s until I saw the price 🤮
I maintain my position from several years back: Saucony accidentally made the perfect shoe with the ES1 and every version since then has been whack
Agree that it's the best, but v2 was pretty much identical and the Runshield version was even better
Saucony needs to offer a full line of wide shoes(color ways) in the Endorphin series. Hey Saucony! You’re losing customers
Many additional colorways come out not long after the launch color. Always. All brands.
Ummm.. not true.
Key word… “wide”
I still think the boston 12 knocks this out of the park. Tried the REI collaboration and did not feel different than version 3
but Adidas upper 😅
Adidas upper is way better. People think it’s harsh. It’s a performance shoe.!! You want to go fast right than it should be minimal.
It also makes it way easier to clean
@@chinpoeykhoo6261Unlike the Saucony Endorphin Speed series where there is no break-in process, the Boston 12's upper becomes more conforming and the midsole becomes more alive after a couple of wks. of regular use. As Edd Budd would say they need a good tenderizing out of the box.
Saucony injected more Endorphin on that guy.
So every thing that makes the speed 3 amazing, has been changed, shame.
I really dont understand what « true to size » means. I mean, in regular shoes I use to have 46. In asics I need 47, In hoka 46,5 and with those saucony, 48!!! 😂😂😂😂😂 true to size huh….
What you expect in your normal running shoe sizing