I love this. Started a little bit of war thunder after playing DCS for a while. Makes me feel like I’m watching a DCS video with how in depth you are. Easy sub dude. Love it
I really like your style of going through plays step by step, explaining what you did and the line of thinking behind it. Makes it very clear with the sensor view and all. Keep up the great work!
Now just wait until the eurofighter gets added next update. It's got amraams, the delta nimbleness of the m2k and the power, speed and radar of the f15e
10:55 I also started using this in RB because its pretty much essential in Sim. hated switching the setting when i played RB so i just stuck with it, and its honestly just better imo
Yeah we need constant elevation to be a keybind to toggle manual control on and off. Partly the reason why I avoided it up until now. I'll definitely keep using it when I play something high altitude like the F-15, I also plan on experimenting with it on the Flanker given how the TWS is so bad without manual control. I'll probably keep switching it for now though, don't imagine I'll enjoy manual playing the M2K in those close range brawls
I have my radar tilt controls set to Alt + WASD. This can make it tricky to adjust the radar whilst manoeuvring (especially when rolled inverted). But this is also less of a problem on planes with HMD. Do note that in some planes, TWS tends to be "sticky" i.e. it follows the selected target and you can only exit this tracking by tilting the radar vertically. I find the "sticky" tracking quite annoying because I cannot scan the part of the sky I want to in TWS. I also briefly experimented with cyclic switching turned off but it's far too cumbersome.
Never seen the channel, but this guy knows his stuff I can count on one hand the number of times i've actually seen someone shoot down a missile in air rb, and he even figured out the last ditch strategy is actually to fly into the missile to shoot it down 😂 Now if only the sparrow was more reliable at doing it... Usually if you explain this stuff people think you are just trolling them 😂
New sub, fantastic explanations. I fancy myself quite capable at top tier and using radar guided missiles and reading the radar but picked up a few things from this video. Keep up the amazing work.
Bro that IOG+DL explanation is honestly gamechanging, I didn't knew Gaijin actually coded that mechanic properly. Like and subscribed. Tho I'm still a bit sceptical maybe those guys just didn't notch properly, but idk, your explanation and demonstration seems legit
it is by far the most fucked up part of the 15e, and a welcome change from the dcs type "just notch everything bro" if you can keep focused on a target, the death bubble of the 15e is gigantic and only keeps getting bigger the higher up you go
IRCCM is my weakest topic at the moment (didn't play much in that meta). I'll be practicing it going forward for tss and will consider a video when I feel I'm proficient enough In the mean time i'd recommend you look up Defyn's IRCCM flaring guide
What chad vid. You have my sub💘Question, in examples 1,2,3 when you launched your missile it goes with its terminal tracking (when its within 16-18 km I think) and when your amraam was notched using the datalink you still kept on tracking the target? What would be the tips for defending from that? Notching will help to defeat the missile but how do you counter TWS? Will chaff help?
The mechanics of the datalink is explained in the voiceover, the missile is switching to IOG+DL when it doesn't shut off the PD filter but loses track due to the notch. The missile in this state is not seeing chaff because the PD filter is still active (The most common reason it does not shut off the PD filter is due to ground interference, hence why my examples are all top down attacks) Defending this depends on the situation, if the missile is far enough away you should counter fire to force the launching aircraft to break his datalink to defend your missile. You can also try to notch the aggressor aircraft as that is where the guidance is coming from, you will have to adjust after to notch missile though as you can only notch one at a time If you watch all the examples the reason they all die is because they eventually leave the notch and the missile re-acquires them, it is able to do so because my DL kept it on target. But it is a bad position to be in if the aggressor is not under pressure and above you, realistically this is one of those positions you should avoid being in as best you can (don't go low when people are still above you if you can avoid it) Sorry for the essay lol 😅
Damn I that's why I keep getting crushed by missiles I notched. Does this same effect work in STT or does it have to be in TWS for the missile to get positional target updates?
Maybe, adding too many layers of manual controls to your radar in air rb i'm always wary of though. Until we get consistent small lobby sizes I don't think too much manual control is a good idea
Data link is basically giving them a dilemma. If you notch the missile you’re not notching the airplane. Is this the same for the Phoenix at long range?
Phoenix/Fakour is slightly different, as far as I understand it their seeker cannot switch from PD HDN. So when you notch it will always switch to IOG + DL, so it's important you defend a bit more aggressively with altitude variations to get out of the IOG
@@mbplaysgames Next time you have a match with some phoenixes/fakours launched at you at the beginning, try having a look in sensor view after the match to see the seeker state
Yes it's not exclusive to the F-15, Flanker is obviously harder and you will need to manually control the TWS given it does not follow your soft lock like other radars
@MiGanFox3 i havenot played the sm lately but I think it does if you use a manual selector for the radar instead of the switch between targets button. I've been using the manually selector lately cause I feel like it gives me better control for the targets you want then I use acm or hmd for stuff up close
@@SkullH4T hmm, might have the test the manual target selection. That's something I avoid in air rb given the large team sizes, I find it too awkward and stick to cyclic switching
Yep completely agree, however these are niche scenarios. Majority of the time you can bully them from up high. If they sneak up on you though it's rough
yoooo I just trailed behind you in a game you was in a gripen I ate a missile Don’t know why you didn’t just use ur 9M on that f16 im probably too ass to understand
I did use a 9M eventually (assuming this is the same game I'm thinking of), if I can I go for guns first I usually do in the Gripen, only 6 missiles means I want to save them if I can
Bruh that IOG+DL explanation was top notch, u earned a sub and a share fr
Thank you mate!
I love this. Started a little bit of war thunder after playing DCS for a while. Makes me feel like I’m watching a DCS video with how in depth you are. Easy sub dude. Love it
Thanks man, I plan to try DCS one day once I have the spare time/money to invest in a proper set up
I really like your style of going through plays step by step, explaining what you did and the line of thinking behind it. Makes it very clear with the sensor view and all. Keep up the great work!
Thank you mate, glad to hear!
Now just wait until the eurofighter gets added next update. It's got amraams, the delta nimbleness of the m2k and the power, speed and radar of the f15e
Oh I can't wait for the Eurofighter, I am Bri'ish after all so I've been eagerly awaiting it's arrival
@@MiGanFox3 Germany mains will finally suffer no more
More so than the F-15E. It beats it out in SL acceleration by several seconds and can supercruise at Mach 1.5.
@@TeeCaTisBack German mains are still getting the worst variant of it which sucks
@@jacobbaumgardner3406 if it can supercruise at mach 1.5 then its gonna get nerfed, irl it could supercruise at mach 1.15
With the existence of this video of DL explanation, top tier will be a hell :D
Haha, maybe, we will see
10:55 I also started using this in RB because its pretty much essential in Sim. hated switching the setting when i played RB so i just stuck with it, and its honestly just better imo
Yeah we need constant elevation to be a keybind to toggle manual control on and off. Partly the reason why I avoided it up until now. I'll definitely keep using it when I play something high altitude like the F-15, I also plan on experimenting with it on the Flanker given how the TWS is so bad without manual control. I'll probably keep switching it for now though, don't imagine I'll enjoy manual playing the M2K in those close range brawls
I have my radar tilt controls set to Alt + WASD. This can make it tricky to adjust the radar whilst manoeuvring (especially when rolled inverted). But this is also less of a problem on planes with HMD. Do note that in some planes, TWS tends to be "sticky" i.e. it follows the selected target and you can only exit this tracking by tilting the radar vertically. I find the "sticky" tracking quite annoying because I cannot scan the part of the sky I want to in TWS. I also briefly experimented with cyclic switching turned off but it's far too cumbersome.
Never seen the channel, but this guy knows his stuff
I can count on one hand the number of times i've actually seen someone shoot down a missile in air rb, and he even figured out the last ditch strategy is actually to fly into the missile to shoot it down 😂 Now if only the sparrow was more reliable at doing it...
Usually if you explain this stuff people think you are just trolling them 😂
I get downvoted a lot in the reddit when I tell people they should learn how to notch if they want top tier to be more fun 🤣
very helpfull and well explained as always ! keep up 💪
i just dicovered there is datalink in this game lol, tysm, u earned my sub
Datalink my beloved
New sub, fantastic explanations. I fancy myself quite capable at top tier and using radar guided missiles and reading the radar but picked up a few things from this video. Keep up the amazing work.
Bro that IOG+DL explanation is honestly gamechanging, I didn't knew Gaijin actually coded that mechanic properly. Like and subscribed. Tho I'm still a bit sceptical maybe those guys just didn't notch properly, but idk, your explanation and demonstration seems legit
@@mushokueien8148 try it for yourself, would love to see some clips if you come up with some alternate theories
Update, this is actually fucking works, that changes literally everything.
@@mushokueien8148 haha, you're welcome 😉
it is by far the most fucked up part of the 15e, and a welcome change from the dcs type "just notch everything bro"
if you can keep focused on a target, the death bubble of the 15e is gigantic and only keeps getting bigger the higher up you go
@@チル-s5q yeah when no one properly tries to contest you it feels so free, that 8K game at the end I just got to bully the entire lobby from space
Awesome video new sub. But can you make a video on flaring IRCCM missiles. Would be an awesome video.
IRCCM is my weakest topic at the moment (didn't play much in that meta). I'll be practicing it going forward for tss and will consider a video when I feel I'm proficient enough
In the mean time i'd recommend you look up Defyn's IRCCM flaring guide
So this is how them pesky AIM-120 keep hitting me when im notching + chaff + multipath
Yep, gotta be super careful if they're shooting you from above
Well, if you have the money, Logitech hero 502 can be extremely useful for manual radar control.
Oh I have an mmo mouse, lack of keybinds isn't an issue
What chad vid. You have my sub💘Question, in examples 1,2,3 when you launched your missile it goes with its terminal tracking (when its within 16-18 km I think) and when your amraam was notched using the datalink you still kept on tracking the target? What would be the tips for defending from that? Notching will help to defeat the missile but how do you counter TWS? Will chaff help?
The mechanics of the datalink is explained in the voiceover, the missile is switching to IOG+DL when it doesn't shut off the PD filter but loses track due to the notch. The missile in this state is not seeing chaff because the PD filter is still active (The most common reason it does not shut off the PD filter is due to ground interference, hence why my examples are all top down attacks)
Defending this depends on the situation, if the missile is far enough away you should counter fire to force the launching aircraft to break his datalink to defend your missile. You can also try to notch the aggressor aircraft as that is where the guidance is coming from, you will have to adjust after to notch missile though as you can only notch one at a time
If you watch all the examples the reason they all die is because they eventually leave the notch and the missile re-acquires them, it is able to do so because my DL kept it on target. But it is a bad position to be in if the aggressor is not under pressure and above you, realistically this is one of those positions you should avoid being in as best you can (don't go low when people are still above you if you can avoid it)
Sorry for the essay lol 😅
@@MiGanFox3 Ty big time for an explanation
Ive been using manual radar controls for the past year or two... on controller... Dont ask how
Consider me impressed
I try top tier in the f-14 event vehicle . haven't quite figured it out yet so stay at 10.0
Try my notching video maybe? That one might help, F-14a RWR isn't the best though so it's a little trickier
In sim, are those radar controls mandatory?
You'll have to direct that question to someone who plays SIM as I've never touched it I'm afraid
its not mandatory but you should use them. it helps keeping situational awareness especially in bvr engagments
Sim player here, in top tier yes absolutely whoever gets the first lock or first visual wins 99%
Damn I that's why I keep getting crushed by missiles I notched. Does this same effect work in STT or does it have to be in TWS for the missile to get positional target updates?
I want to say it doesn't but I haven't tested this properly
STT works, but it is easier for the mothership radar to be chaffed. TWS is more reliable
should've used the TDC
Maybe, adding too many layers of manual controls to your radar in air rb i'm always wary of though. Until we get consistent small lobby sizes I don't think too much manual control is a good idea
Data link is basically giving them a dilemma. If you notch the missile you’re not notching the airplane. Is this the same for the Phoenix at long range?
Phoenix/Fakour is slightly different, as far as I understand it their seeker cannot switch from PD HDN. So when you notch it will always switch to IOG + DL, so it's important you defend a bit more aggressively with altitude variations to get out of the IOG
@ ah ok. Thanks.
@@mbplaysgames Next time you have a match with some phoenixes/fakours launched at you at the beginning, try having a look in sensor view after the match to see the seeker state
Does this data link trick work for other planes. Like the flanker?
Yes it's not exclusive to the F-15, Flanker is obviously harder and you will need to manually control the TWS given it does not follow your soft lock like other radars
@MiGanFox3 i havenot played the sm lately but I think it does if you use a manual selector for the radar instead of the switch between targets button. I've been using the manually selector lately cause I feel like it gives me better control for the targets you want then I use acm or hmd for stuff up close
I did not know this is a thing lol
@@SkullH4T hmm, might have the test the manual target selection. That's something I avoid in air rb given the large team sizes, I find it too awkward and stick to cyclic switching
@MiGanFox3 I think it comes down to preference and yeah it can be finicky in Tense situation. I use the arrow keys on my keyboard
f15 is nice its just not consistent. it feels impossible to beat a good mirage or j10 player
Yep completely agree, however these are niche scenarios. Majority of the time you can bully them from up high. If they sneak up on you though it's rough
This guy thinks he's Pete Mitchell or something...
Literally had no idea until now that's what the character is called, I swear no one ever actually uses his real name in the movies
yoooo I just trailed behind you in a game you was in a gripen I ate a missile
Don’t know why you didn’t just use ur 9M on that f16 im probably too ass to understand
I wanted to say high but I’m chat banned
I did use a 9M eventually (assuming this is the same game I'm thinking of), if I can I go for guns first I usually do in the Gripen, only 6 missiles means I want to save them if I can
@ valid bro that’s that dissaplin