Hey mate! Just want to say thank you for making this vid!! After buying 2 second hand penn reels and one of them having this problem shortly after, I’ve managed to fix it following your instructions. Great video! Thank you!!
I’m glad you found it helpful. When I first started servicing reels, I was taught to keep the clutch free of grease and oil. As I got more experience I found many anti reverse clutches rusted away and broken and I wondered if grease might have prevented that. After that I got the chance to work on newer reels and I found that they were coming from the factory with the clutch bearings greased. Now I always either grease or oil those clutches. I had one that slipped with grease so I oiled it but I mostly use grease now. I glad the video helped.
I don't have the experience on a gazillion reels that you have, but I think you're right about lubricating the anti-reverse clutch, at least for most reels. My Shimano Calcutta CT201B may be sensitive to excess lube in the clutch. Maybe. I only had a problem with AR function one time, it was right after I finished servicing it, and the problem went away when I stripped the clutch and sleeve of all lube and re-applied the barest hint of oil. But maybe it was a situation like you had with this reel, with left over contaminants or old grease or something gumming up the works. Is it just me, or is the exterior of the SSg reel in this video a little dull / faded? To me the reel looked like it has spent some time in the sun, so I was surprised at the condition of the reel's mechanicals when you opened it up. I expected to see the usual discoloration of brass and other metals that you get with an Penn reel that isn't serviced much, or is exposed to moisture; but this reel's innards look pristine. No discoloration of the brass. No spotting or discoloration of the main gear. Clean spindle. Pure mechanical goodness; everything looks fresh from the factory! That's a nice reel you have there.
I think old grease being left in the AR clutches is what brought about the belief that you shouldn't grease or oil them. After discovering so many ARs that were completely ruined due to rust and corrosion, I started experimenting with greasing them. So far, I haven't had a problem with doing it. This is the first time I've blown one out, but it won't be the last. I was worried that I might shoot the rollers across the room. By keeping it assembled on the pinion and keeping my finger over the top edge while blowing it out, I was able to complete the task safely. This SSg reel is a 4th generation Spin Fisher reel and all of them look like that. In the video, if you look under the rotor where no sun could get, you will see that the finish looks the same. I looked at the factory picture of these reels on the Mysticparts.com website and it looks the same. I got this reel from my dad about 15 years ago to use in saltwater, but I never used it. It just sat for all these years waiting for me to take it to the coast. I don't know the history of the reel before I got it, but it is a very nice reel. I'm taking it fishing again on Monday and I expect it to perform like it is supposed to. It took a lot of effort on my part to not take this reel apart out on the boat to look at the problem. I did take the spool off, but I stopped after that and put it back.
When Rick came to my home in NC and did some videos on a few reels from my collection I noticed that they just didn’t look the same as they do in person. This was true particularly with all those blcck Mitchells and Penn Z reels. I think it was more to do with his camera. It was only a slight difference so it could have been the poor light in my garage. I don’t have the reel he has. I only have first, second, and third generation Penn Spinfishers. The second and third generation Spinfishers are most definitely very black. - Chris
@@christopherjenkins2373 Spinfisher SSg and SSm series are very black as well. The SSg reels have "graphite" bodies. It takes some doing to make a these black graphite bodies look aged.
It still confuses me as to why we were always told to keep that AR clutch bearing free of grease or oil because it was a friction driven bearing. I hope this works for you Rick. If that clutch fails again I would reconsider oiling and/or greasing that clutch bearing. I am curious what Penn says about servicing this AR clutch bearing. - Chris
I don’t know what Penn says but I do know the the newer Penn reels that I’ve opened up had grease on the AR clutch. Maybe it migrated there but it was there. If the AR clutch fails this time I will purchase a new one and probably grease it. It could be that the little fingers springs that hold tension on the rollers could be weak and not applying the proper pressure. This reel has been around for a while and plastic springs can only hold up for so long. I might buy a new clutch anyway and keep it around. Many of the parts for this reel are no longer available.
@@youngmartinsreels5314That sounds like a g old idea. I only have three or four reels with AR clutch bearings and I’ve never greased them. Two are Shimano and the others were Daiwa and Okuma. You were definitely right about oiling axle shafts so who am I to say you’re wrong now.
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Hey mate!
Just want to say thank you for making this vid!! After buying 2 second hand penn reels and one of them having this problem shortly after, I’ve managed to fix it following your instructions. Great video! Thank you!!
I’m glad you found it helpful. When I first started servicing reels, I was taught to keep the clutch free of grease and oil. As I got more experience I found many anti reverse clutches rusted away and broken and I wondered if grease might have prevented that. After that I got the chance to work on newer reels and I found that they were coming from the factory with the clutch bearings greased. Now I always either grease or oil those clutches. I had one that slipped with grease so I oiled it but I mostly use grease now. I glad the video helped.
I don't have the experience on a gazillion reels that you have, but I think you're right about lubricating the anti-reverse clutch, at least for most reels. My Shimano Calcutta CT201B may be sensitive to excess lube in the clutch. Maybe. I only had a problem with AR function one time, it was right after I finished servicing it, and the problem went away when I stripped the clutch and sleeve of all lube and re-applied the barest hint of oil. But maybe it was a situation like you had with this reel, with left over contaminants or old grease or something gumming up the works.
Is it just me, or is the exterior of the SSg reel in this video a little dull / faded? To me the reel looked like it has spent some time in the sun, so I was surprised at the condition of the reel's mechanicals when you opened it up. I expected to see the usual discoloration of brass and other metals that you get with an Penn reel that isn't serviced much, or is exposed to moisture; but this reel's innards look pristine. No discoloration of the brass. No spotting or discoloration of the main gear. Clean spindle. Pure mechanical goodness; everything looks fresh from the factory! That's a nice reel you have there.
I think old grease being left in the AR clutches is what brought about the belief that you shouldn't grease or oil them. After discovering so many ARs that were completely ruined due to rust and corrosion, I started experimenting with greasing them. So far, I haven't had a problem with doing it. This is the first time I've blown one out, but it won't be the last. I was worried that I might shoot the rollers across the room. By keeping it assembled on the pinion and keeping my finger over the top edge while blowing it out, I was able to complete the task safely.
This SSg reel is a 4th generation Spin Fisher reel and all of them look like that. In the video, if you look under the rotor where no sun could get, you will see that the finish looks the same. I looked at the factory picture of these reels on the Mysticparts.com website and it looks the same. I got this reel from my dad about 15 years ago to use in saltwater, but I never used it. It just sat for all these years waiting for me to take it to the coast. I don't know the history of the reel before I got it, but it is a very nice reel. I'm taking it fishing again on Monday and I expect it to perform like it is supposed to. It took a lot of effort on my part to not take this reel apart out on the boat to look at the problem. I did take the spool off, but I stopped after that and put it back.
When Rick came to my home in NC and did some videos on a few reels from my collection I noticed that they just didn’t look the same as they do in person. This was true particularly with all those blcck Mitchells and Penn Z reels. I think it was more to do with his camera. It was only a slight difference so it could have been the poor light in my garage. I don’t have the reel he has. I only have first, second, and third generation Penn Spinfishers. The second and third generation Spinfishers are most definitely very black. - Chris
@@christopherjenkins2373
Spinfisher SSg and SSm series are very black as well. The SSg reels have "graphite" bodies. It takes some doing to make a these black graphite bodies look aged.
It still confuses me as to why we were always told to keep that AR clutch bearing free of grease or oil because it was a friction driven bearing. I hope this works for you Rick. If that clutch fails again I would reconsider oiling and/or greasing that clutch bearing. I am curious what Penn says about servicing this AR clutch bearing. - Chris
I don’t know what Penn says but I do know the the newer Penn reels that I’ve opened up had grease on the AR clutch. Maybe it migrated there but it was there. If the AR clutch fails this time I will purchase a new one and probably grease it. It could be that the little fingers springs that hold tension on the rollers could be weak and not applying the proper pressure. This reel has been around for a while and plastic springs can only hold up for so long. I might buy a new clutch anyway and keep it around. Many of the parts for this reel are no longer available.
@@youngmartinsreels5314That sounds like a g old idea. I only have three or four reels with AR clutch bearings and I’ve never greased them. Two are Shimano and the others were Daiwa and Okuma. You were definitely right about oiling axle shafts so who am I to say you’re wrong now.