Luis Alvarez "proved" that a shot from the rear could have driven the President's head backwards. He was a Nobel laureate,, but his knowledge of the assassination was incomplete.
@@bloxgame4823 nope. human common sense is beside the point. it's also usually wrong. if you can do an experiment that demonstrates the theory is true (or false) then you've proven the theory. but you HAVE to do the experiment.
Maybe that’s why it was Oswald. He wasn’t trying to kill JFK, he was trying to get back at Connelly for that remark! Only issue being was that the gun was horrifically inaccurate and ended up killing Kennedy.
"They got the right ta ta, but the wrong ho ho" :-) Don't forget Spacek, Matthau, Lemmon, Asner, Bacon, Rooker, Metcalfe, and Oldman. It's a truly exceptional cast, from a truly great film.
@@ezio_Winchester I don't dislike him as a person but good lord his acting is awful. It's the same character in every movie and no accent can ever make him not sound like that dude growing up in Orange county CA
Connally's seat wasn't directly in front of Kennedy's, it was to the left and down. Put his wrist in front of his chest, not on the car door (where it was assumed to be without much evidence), and everything lines up perfectly-with the book depository, no less.
No one, NO ONE, ever took the Magic Bullet theory seriously. In the film, Garrison presents it as if the Warren Commission adopted the theory as fact. In a History Channel special that debunked the movie, they showed what almost everyone misses, that the jumpseat in the limo where Connelly was sitting was positioned in such a way that the bullet followed a more or less straight trajectory through JFK's neck, through Connelly's chest and wrist and into his thigh. Three shots with two hits. The third shot missed completely and that bullet was never recovered.
@@SteCollects It wasn't impossible for there to be one shooter. It was very possible. The whole argument that Oswald couldn't possibly have acted alone is false. He had the training and skill. He qualified as a Marine Sharpshooter and they have his qualification scores to support that. The Carcano rifle he used was capable of being cycled and aimed twice in 6 seconds in order to score two hits out of three shots. They've interviewed witnesses from the shooting range who saw Oswald practicing with a bolt action rifle.
@@stargamerest612 yeah, I just saw that. The jump seats were lower down & closer to the center. So that makes the alignment easier. But, not with that pristine bullet. Plus, Connolly said he beloved he was not from the front. And several people testified to seeing a bullet hole in the windshield at the hospital and garage before it was taken to Michigan to replace & destroy it.
CIA agent Howard Hunt indicated that Lucien Sarti was the Grassy Knoll shooter, in his book published few years before his death. It is in accordance with the badge-man theory and the Moorman photo and the Zapruder film (direction of the final headshot).
The truth is its a waste of time trying to figure who the shooters were because we will never know they cover their tracks to good and are to powerful but its def important to know they are lying no dout. Guy by the name of james files claimed to be the knoll shooter to. Whoever was that shooter they long ago dead and buried my opinion
No one was at the grassy knoll, it's all just light from between tree branches on low-quality film creating the shape of a body. No other photos capture this man, and no witnesses claimed to have seen him until they had already heard the theory-meaning they were either misremembering or lying. Nobody who was asked in the days or weeks after said anything about a badge man, but YEARS later when their memories had gone foggy they then "remembered" him (or lied for clout). Also, if you do the math on badge man and the Knoll itself, it works out that (in order for him to appear the way he did in the picture) he'd have to be standing on top of a car several feet away from the fence-not resting his gun on top of the fence, like a normal assassin would. Oswald shot Kennedy, from the book depository, with the Carcano. No badge man. Case closed.
Anyone who hunts knows a bullet changes it’s shape as soon as it hits bone, let alone 2 bodies. Yet the warren commission says the magic bullet was the SECOND shot. The bullet that was completely intact
@@Cukito4 he means it will distort to some degree . the degree can vary from minor to major . even the warren commission had tests conducted , even tho they chose to ignore joseph dolce who performed the tests . he gave them sample bullets . some fired just into cotton wadding . these MOST RESEMBLED CE399 the magic bullet . other bullets expanded in width , that is the only way i can describe it , sort of had a bloated look . and others were severely damaged with a mushroomed nose .
The bullet (ce399) was flattened and had chipping. Fragments of it were found in Gov. Connally wrist. The bullet test fired from LHO's rifle, match the scratch pattern exactly.
"chipping. Fragments of it were found in Gov. Connally wrist. The bullet test fired from LHO's rifle, match the scratch pattern exactly." @@RingoKid08 you cant match small fragments like that to a particular rifle . in fact many fragments remained in connallys body . dr humes who performed jfks autopsy , when questioned about ce399 and all the fragments being attributed to it stated that "I CANT CONCEIVE OF WHERE ALL THOSE FRAGMENTS CAME FROM ON THAT MISSILE "
ONE BIG PROBLEM This scene implies Connally was directly in front of Kennedy. The way the Limo was designed, he was actually slightly inward and lower than JFK. From that trajectory the direct-line bullet makes more sense This films is unquestionably engaging and Stone knows how to capture audiences But people should not be so naive as to treat it as a documentary There are many other inaccuracies too - not least the portrayal of David Ferrie who always maintained his innocence and was never charged. Were he still alive, he would have grounds to sue Stone for libel.
They should have had a flash-forward to the 2010’s when the Magic Bullet idea was largely disproved - when someone researched that Garrison and others were basing it on the seat layout of a standard Lincoln Continental Limousine. The Presidential model had offset seats that line up with straight rifle shots.
Yes but the pristine bullet idea was also debunked. The Australian documentary’s duplication of the shot, including gel and bone dummy, left a similar bullet which was largely intact and did not fragment. The original bullet is also not in perfect condition but was deformed and twisted. This also brings the question of why conspirators would fake evidence in a way they know wouldn’t be believed.
@@johnwatson3948 "This also brings the question of why conspirators would fake evidence in a way they know wouldn’t be believed." Hurry is the father of all fk ups.
This was an excellent movie. It brings up many inconsistencies in the Warren report, and if anyone really thinks that Oswald acted as the lone gunman, please explain why there were bullet fragments in JFKs skull, and the bullets that came out of Oswald's rifle were non-frangible. As in hardened. They dont fragment. Also, there were 6 shots that are clearly heard from the police motorcycle radios. At best, Lee Harvey was an average shot, per his USMC records. He made a shot yes. Hit JFK. BUT, he wasnt alone. LBJ forced Earl Warren to keep quiet as to not put us into WW3. If you dont think so, why were the documents sealed for 75 years after the trial concluded? Things that make you go HMMM
Any bullet can fragment. The problem comes in when the bullet is harder than the material it's hitting. And that assumes the bullet has no defects increasing the chance of fragmentation. Decent quality ammo made today fragments, even if slightly, after hitting a dirt birm.
@Soldier4USA2005 true but the bullet that was found on the gurney was pristine while there was fragments found in Kennedys skull. That's my point. They tried to say just 1 bullet did all that damage. So called "magic bullet theory". They are hiding something. Ain't no way that Oswald acted alone. There were 6 CLEAR shots recorded on the police motorcycle escort radios. Not 3. Too many questions to be answered that are not satisfied by the Warren report. My concern is that our government had our president EXECUTED. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
@Soldier4 is right, they were tiny specks of medal, not chucks of bullet. Bullets, no matter what they're made of can't keep all their metal after colliding with something like a skull which is hard as a rock. Not only are you wrong about police radios picking up sounds of the shots, but even the HSCA only claimed their audio experts could identify 4 shots not 6. Incidently they were proven wrong by 2 independent studies, 1 from the National Academy of Sciences in the early 80s. The government routinely seals documents for all kinds of reasons. In the Kennedy case reasons for keeping documents locked up were for example, fears of making public the CIA tactics for obtaining information in the soviet and cuban embassys in Mexico city. Another example are documents with names of informants who were promised anonymity shouldve been kept locked up. Documents that had adverse information on people whether true or not (it's impossible to tell based solely on testimony from someone else), for example if someone gave testimony about someone who they thought was an alcoholic, or someone said John Doe who was a known spousal abuser..those may have only been the opinions of the people giving the testimony but since that kind of sensitive information about someone clearly had nothing to do with the case, it was just recorded testimony, it need not have gotten out and destroyed people's reputations
You do realise this isn’t the trajectory that is endorsed by the Warren Commission. This is fiction. Anyone can clearly see the real trajectory from Lee Harvey’s rifle and it makes sense. Remember this movie while undoubtedly entertaining, is massively fictional. The points in the movie have been thoroughly debunked. I’m sorry but it’s clear that Lee assassinated Kennedy.
Ross Coulthard, there may be a reason they used the 11001001 on their patch. There was a uk pilot I think that gave evidence he came across a craft in his work and it had symbols on the side of it, binary symbols. If you are interested I’ll try to find the video again but essentially those symbols were written down by that pilot the next day and when later a computer was developed (maybe because of material gathered) the symbols were analysed. When converted they read something “earth exploration” etc etc
This reminds me of a Seinfeld episode involving Wayne Knight (Newman) All kidding aside, JFK is such an awesome, epic film & no matter how you feel about Oliver Stone or Kevin Costner, they both knocked it out of the park w/ their directing & acting, respectively.
@@Mike-ke4yp Explain why his paraffin test was negative? Why three witnesses (Adams, Garner etc.) said that he could not have been higher than the 2nd flor. The foto manipulation where he held the rifle. The difference look of the rifle on the photo and on the film where they took the rifle from the TSBD...
@@jp-legalparaffin tests were grossly unreliable. The bullet chamber once loaded and ready to fire, seals in the gases and prevents them from coming in contact with a person's face. Plus a paraffin test can only tell whether there's nitrates or nitrites on the skin, it can not determine their origin. In other words, it's impossible to prove from a paraffin test if someone fired a weapon. Victoria Adams was NOT saying she saw Oswald on the stairs back in 64. And there was no photo manipulation of the backyard photos. Marina said she took them, and the FBI found her camera and the negatives of the photos. Cameras leave certain marks on film negatives that are as specific as fingerprints. The negatives of the backyard photos had markings that proved they were taken in Oswald's camera and Marina testified that she in fact took them.
I always wondered why an entire intact cartridge was planted on the gurney at the hospital. Entire cartridges are not the projectiles that exit a fired gun.
Anyone who remembers the PC game “Spycraft The Great Game” will remember the K.A.T which was to solve the ‘magic bullet’ theory. As to whether K.A.T existed isn’t certain.
defiantone Right. After eight investigations and reexamining all pointing to Oswald acting alone you think you really know what happened. You're trying to shift it to me now, it's the reverse scientific method of deciding what happened and then ignoring everything that doesn't seem to point to it. If you think anyone outside of Oswald was involved it is on you to prove it and there is absolutely not a single shred of evidence supporting that. Here I can make it easy. Assume that I'm totally wrong. Ok, now prove that there was a conspiracy. Who do you think did it? How? What evidence do you have?
First off, the Warren Commission is much like the 9/11 Commission, in that its the governments OWN THEORY. Knowing you, you probably buy into both Commissions. And if you do, you need some serious educating little boy. The official testimony of Roy Kellerman blew the doors off the Warren Commission. He basically looked right at em & told them that once the limo had gone into the kill zone of Dealey Plaza that he knew they had driven right into an ambush, taking fire from all over the place, that "a flurry of shells came into the car" & that they were definitely wrong about their gunshot total because "There had to be more than three shots, gentleman." And there's a huge problem with the Mannlicher rifle that was supposedly found on the 6th floor & was used to connect Oswald to the assassination. When the rifle was first found, it was not identified that way. It was identified instead as a 7.65 millimeter Mauser rifle, That identification was made & made quite clearly by law enforcement officials themselves who were closely familiar with rifles. Deputy Sheriff Eugen Boone discovered the rifle & then wrote the following words in his official statement} "I was assisting in the search of the 6th floor of the Dallas County Book Depository at Elm St. & Houston St. proceeding from the east side of the building. Officer Weitzman DPD & I were together as we approached the Northwest corner of the building. I saw the rifle partially hidden behind a row of books with two (2) other boxes of books against the rifle. The rifle appeared to be a 7.65 Mauser with a telescope sight on the rifle." Then you have the limo JFK was in. Excuse me, but a murder just took place. And not just any murder, but the murder of the President of the United States. So that said, don't that make the limo he had his brains blown out in, a crime scene? And what do they do at a crime scene? They put yellow tape around the crime scene. Did they do that here? No. What did they do? JFK's limo was quickly shipped off to Detroit for a rapid make-over. Does that tell you anything about the authenticity of the governments actual efforts to determine who killed our President? Maybe I should say the lack thereof. Then you have the illegal removal of the President's body. Imagine that. The government succeeded in getting the body of the President out of Dallas without an autopsy. In other words, Air Force One didn't so much take off, as it made a getaway. President & no civilian autopsy had been conducted. Then the body was placed in a controlled environment the military hospital at Bethesda. And there, the autopsy was conducted. After the autopsy, Commander Humes who conducted the autopsy, burned his notes, which was probably the first time in history that a serious autopsy resulted in the burning of the notes. Ironically, two of the agents who participated in the illegal seizure of the President's body at gunpoint were Roy Kellerman & Roy Greer who rode in JFK's limo & were paramount to his supposed security. Since the murder of a president was not then a federal crime, the agents had ZERO jurisdiction. The law was changed AFTER the assassination, now the murder of a federal official is a federal matter. But it wasn't in 1963. So whatever else there is to be said about it, the fact of the matter is that they DID violate the law & they did so very aggressively. Then you have the X-rays of JFK. The actual X-rays showed the bullet particles fragmented extensively in the President's head, which means the Mannlicher Carcano couldn't have fired the bullet, as a Mannlicher only shoots a full metal jacketed bullet. All military weapons by NATO & the Geneva Convention like Mannlicher are not allowed to shoot fragmented bullets from them. So the bullet out of the weapon would have to be a full metal jacket bullet, which does not break into pieces, that tells you that the bullet is not from that gun. And I will no longer discuss this with you. We'll just have to agree to disagree even though I'm right & you're wrong. I do my research little tike, so I strongly suggest you do the same. And lastly, if the government's version is so honest, why the hell after all these years, do they still have a shitload of documents on the JFK Assassination locked up for? I'll tell you why. Because it would prove they lied. Much like they did with 9/11. But you can continue to buy into all their bullshit & keep drinking the Kool-Aid. And do NOT post me again on this subject, as I have nothing more to say to ya. What I posted, pretty much shows the TRUTH to all the BS this crackpot government gets blind Kool-Aid drinking sheep like you not to believe. And that's the TRUTH.
I Like the part when he said the bullet exits Kennedy throat hangs in the air for 1.6 seconds and goes into Connolly back. Warren Commission full of crock!
No the movie has not aged well the magic bullet has been proven to be true. Remember this came out in 1991 there’s been computerized analysis that the movie did not take into account. Such as the fact that Kennedy seat was higher and narrower than Conleys in front of him which creates the appropriate angle for the bullet to go through the neck and into Conley and yes the bullet after going through tissue tumbles in the air to turn different directions and this type of bullet can come out relatively pristine even after hitting bone. Scientific analysis through computer generated angles as well as forensic re-creation has proven this to occur.
Then if that’s true why doesn’t the CIA release all the Kennedy documents? If Oswald was the loan shooter why not show the documents? Because they’re hiding and lying about everything man!
@@philliphill8985 finding discrepancy does not prove anything. you can find 100 discrepancies the day Regan was shot, like why didnt the SService do this or that, why did they go to this hospital, why was a guy holding a Umbrella ect ect.......also finding connections to groups like the CIA, Mafia Cuba, or finding parts of the Gov that hate the President is true with ANY president, the 6th degree of kevin bacon game ect ...They released the doc....so what specific document that you know exists has not been released ?
@@fendergibs So let me guess! You are one of those ones that believe your government ( Ones in power) don’t lie? Common man! That whole Kennedy thing is a crock of stink! You continue to believe what you want. Witnesses dying to soon witnesses not being called to testify! REALLY! That Attorney Arlen Spector had to really fish for that story how 1 bullet entered Kennedy and Gov. Conolly at the same time. Watch the Zupruder film. Connolly still has his Stetson hat in his hand. When the so called second bullet go through his wrist into his leg! How the fuck can you hold on to your Stetson hat when a bullet goes through your wrist and not let go of your hat!
The analysis is completely faulty, based on the assumption that all three shots are present on the Zapruder film. It's now understood that the first shot happened just as the limo was turning onto Elm, when Z wasn't filming. Garrison's case was bunk.
However there wasn't, because the magic bullet theory is made up with false assumptions on their position and the car. The shot happened. There was one shooter.
This theory could be possible considering "if" Connely as seen in the Zapruder film, was turning to the back to see where the shot came from. That is possible and i belive the angles of entrance exit and reentrance in Connely could be possible. But...I do not belive that this bullet would be pristine when exiting Connelys body!
It's not pristine, that's a conspiracy theory lie, multiple evidence photos of it show it's clearly bent and has several flat spots along with the fact that it ejected over 2 grains of lead out of it's open base when it was damaged hitting bone. Only one evidence photo from one particular angle makes it appear to be pristine which is the only one the conspiracy industry hucksters want people to see, look at any of the other one's and you can clearly see how damaged it is.
And. Now we learn the bullet that hit jfk in the back fell oit onto the seat behind kennedy 'i. I can feel the end of the wound with my finger' Also proves the later hypothesis of at least 5 shots
Poor Newman. First that parking ticket. Then the JFK trial. Then getting spit on by McDowell. And then the mail never stops! And then it's PUBLISHER'S CLEARING HOUSE DAY!!
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I forgot Newman was in this movie, that makes the Seinfeld scene that emulates this a whole lot funnier!
thedoorsforever256 and his name is Newman in this movie
lolololol i didnt knew this until now
Actually, It's Numa haha but I see what you did.
thedoorsforever256
Not to mention he was in the exact position of JFK re-enactment and Seinfeld scene. the front seat.
That is one magic lugie..
*_"Theoretical physics can prove that an elephant can hang from a cliff with its tail tied to a Daisy"_*
I love that line.
Can theoretical physics prove that there is or isn't a God?
Yeah it's proof that you need science AND human common sense to create a theory
Luis Alvarez "proved" that a shot from the rear could have driven the President's head backwards. He was a Nobel laureate,, but his knowledge of the assassination was incomplete.
Except it can't. Once you can do the experiment it's no longer theoretical, and the "proof" offered by theoretical physics is no longer valid.
@@bloxgame4823 nope. human common sense is beside the point. it's also usually wrong. if you can do an experiment that demonstrates the theory is true (or false) then you've proven the theory. but you HAVE to do the experiment.
Just know that Connelly actually saw Oswald earlier that day and sarcastically told him “Nice game, pretty boy!”
Maybe that’s why it was Oswald. He wasn’t trying to kill JFK, he was trying to get back at Connelly for that remark! Only issue being was that the gun was horrifically inaccurate and ended up killing Kennedy.
😂😂😂😂
"our day was ruined!"
And then helped him move some furniture.
Connally was secretary of the Navy and signed Oswald's dishonorable discharge...
So many good actors in this film. Wayne Knight, Tommy Lee Jones, Wayne Knight, Kevin Costner, John Candy. Insane film.
"They got the right ta ta, but the wrong ho ho" :-)
Don't forget Spacek, Matthau, Lemmon, Asner, Bacon, Rooker, Metcalfe, and Oldman.
It's a truly exceptional cast, from a truly great film.
@@richardconnold8060 You’re right!
@@richardconnold8060 Pesci too
@@omkarkulkarni3943 i love that he essentially gives up on a southern accent halfway through lol great performance
You forgot Wayne Knight.
I sometimes forget how awesome Kevin Costner is as an actor
And his accent here.
when he's locked in...one of the best of his time.
He is pretty awful
@@PepsiMagthe is good for his range which isn't much
@@ezio_Winchester I don't dislike him as a person but good lord his acting is awful. It's the same character in every movie and no accent can ever make him not sound like that dude growing up in Orange county CA
Seeing them act it out like this really reinforced how insane this theory was
Bullet had GPS guidance
Connally's seat wasn't directly in front of Kennedy's, it was to the left and down. Put his wrist in front of his chest, not on the car door (where it was assumed to be without much evidence), and everything lines up perfectly-with the book depository, no less.
No one, NO ONE, ever took the Magic Bullet theory seriously. In the film, Garrison presents it as if the Warren Commission adopted the theory as fact. In a History Channel special that debunked the movie, they showed what almost everyone misses, that the jumpseat in the limo where Connelly was sitting was positioned in such a way that the bullet followed a more or less straight trajectory through JFK's neck, through Connelly's chest and wrist and into his thigh. Three shots with two hits. The third shot missed completely and that bullet was never recovered.
@@GrinderCB so why does the warren commissions final report blame Oswald if it was impossible for their to be 1 shooter
@@SteCollects It wasn't impossible for there to be one shooter. It was very possible. The whole argument that Oswald couldn't possibly have acted alone is false. He had the training and skill. He qualified as a Marine Sharpshooter and they have his qualification scores to support that. The Carcano rifle he used was capable of being cycled and aimed twice in 6 seconds in order to score two hits out of three shots. They've interviewed witnesses from the shooting range who saw Oswald practicing with a bolt action rifle.
I can never watch this scene again without bursting into laughter having watched the Seinfeld version.
That is one.magic.loogie.
"nice game pretty boy"
LOL. I was thinking the same thing. "Nice game pretty boy"!!!!!
Felt the urge to revisit this scene today…can’t imagine why😶
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If you will accept magic Bullets...You will accept anything.
Accept covid
@@ariesradke6193 shhhh, let them sleep!
Unfortunately many people do. I'm almost completely surounded by them. Too many sheeple.
@@bicyclist2 If you look at the seat layout and stuff, 1 bullet can actually make sense.
@@stargamerest612 yeah, I just saw that. The jump seats were lower down & closer to the center. So that makes the alignment easier. But, not with that pristine bullet. Plus, Connolly said he beloved he was not from the front. And several people testified to seeing a bullet hole in the windshield at the hospital and garage before it was taken to Michigan to replace & destroy it.
And then I screamed “ AH I’M HIT!!”
Back and to the left
“I’m leaving! Jerry is a nut!”
There must have been a 2nd spitter behind the fence on the gravelly road
Nice game pretty boy
It was Roger McDowell from the Gravelly Road.
I will never be able to take this seriously now, especially when I didn't even realise that Wayne Knight was actually in the original.
Just finding this out today! And for some reason I kept expecting him to look ridiculously silly when doing the poses
I loved that Seinfeld episode
Newman and his magic lougie.
+JoeCnNd Nice game, pretty boy.
The Seinfeld “Back, and to the left. Back, and to the left” line repeated to mimic this scene so faithfully is awesome lol.
"nice game pretty boy"
That is one magic lugie!
That is one magic loogey.
Saul Goodman has really gone down the rabbit hole
"Now, that was one magie loogie!"
The second shooter was not me. I can prove this because I was not alive in 1963.
Shut up, filth. Your time is coming; see you at the Shoah, K.
Sounds like something the second shooter would say
Magneto Did it
Keith Dunklin Or so he claimed... to a Professor X that had his mutant power suppressed. DUN DUN DUNNNNN!🤫
Nah, Titanium Man
Very funny) thanks
The diagram clearly shows what the Pentagon hid after they caught up but the conspiracy somehow leaked the truth unknowingly
It was The Comedian and everyone knows that
Magic bullet was in Pennsylvania Saturday
Newman.
Me just realizing today that Newman is in both this AND the Seinfeld reenactment. Wow.
Newman was hit twice by the magic bullet in his life?!
CIA agent Howard Hunt indicated that Lucien Sarti was the Grassy Knoll shooter, in his book published few years before his death. It is in accordance with the badge-man theory and the Moorman photo and the Zapruder film (direction of the final headshot).
How do you know that?
Sarti was blind in one eye. He also used exploding bullets…
The truth is its a waste of time trying to figure who the shooters were because we will never know they cover their tracks to good and are to powerful but its def important to know they are lying no dout. Guy by the name of james files claimed to be the knoll shooter to. Whoever was that shooter they long ago dead and buried my opinion
No one was at the grassy knoll, it's all just light from between tree branches on low-quality film creating the shape of a body. No other photos capture this man, and no witnesses claimed to have seen him until they had already heard the theory-meaning they were either misremembering or lying. Nobody who was asked in the days or weeks after said anything about a badge man, but YEARS later when their memories had gone foggy they then "remembered" him (or lied for clout).
Also, if you do the math on badge man and the Knoll itself, it works out that (in order for him to appear the way he did in the picture) he'd have to be standing on top of a car several feet away from the fence-not resting his gun on top of the fence, like a normal assassin would.
Oswald shot Kennedy, from the book depository, with the Carcano. No badge man. Case closed.
@@ob2kenobi388 I bet you also believe building 7 fell from debris fire and I bet you think sadamn had WMDs lol😅
WE MAY NEVER KNOW ELAINE!!!!
Seinfeld's magic loogie theory is better
Came out a couple of years ago that Shaw was indeed CIA.
I did not expect to see Newman in this movie. This makes that senifield bit that much funnier. *A second Spitter* 😅
HOLY SHIT NEWMAN WAS IN THE SCENE TOO LMFAOOO
You're not a bad looking man Mr Garrison
You're a goddamn liberal Mr. garrison. You don't know sh*t cause you've never been fu*cked in the ass.
you're a liberal, mr. garrison . . . you don't know shit because you nevah been FUCKED IN THE ASS
I came here from seinfeld
which episode?
The Boyfriend part 1
In mid-air, mind you.
"Hello,...Newman!"
Our day...was ruined
Anyone who hunts knows a bullet changes it’s shape as soon as it hits bone, let alone 2 bodies. Yet the warren commission says the magic bullet was the SECOND shot. The bullet that was completely intact
Changes it is a shape? Really?
@@Cukito4 he means it will distort to some degree . the degree can vary from minor to major . even the warren commission had tests conducted , even tho they chose to ignore joseph dolce who performed the tests . he gave them sample bullets . some fired just into cotton wadding . these MOST RESEMBLED CE399 the magic bullet . other bullets expanded in width , that is the only way i can describe it , sort of had a bloated look . and others were severely damaged with a mushroomed nose .
@@fobrien1 You are giving an answer about the bullet's shape change. But I asked if changes it is a shape.
The bullet (ce399) was flattened and had chipping. Fragments of it were found in Gov. Connally wrist. The bullet test fired from LHO's rifle, match the scratch pattern exactly.
"chipping. Fragments of it were found in Gov. Connally wrist. The bullet test fired from LHO's rifle, match the scratch pattern exactly." @@RingoKid08
you cant match small fragments like that to a particular rifle . in fact many fragments remained in connallys body . dr humes who performed jfks autopsy , when questioned about ce399 and all the fragments being attributed to it stated that
"I CANT CONCEIVE OF WHERE ALL THOSE FRAGMENTS CAME FROM ON THAT MISSILE "
THAT IS ONE MAGIC LOOGY!!!
Bravo. Amazing.
Fun fact: Oliver Stone was inspired by an episode from Seinfeld when directing this scene. He even hired Wayne Knight specifically for it.
“I’m hit!”
Nope, the Seinfeld episode was after this movie.
@@jospenner9503...that's the joke.
🤣 lol
The Magic Bullet Theory (makes a dramatic u turn)
"I am leaving. Jerry's a nut!"
ONE BIG PROBLEM
This scene implies Connally was directly in front of Kennedy. The way the Limo was designed, he was actually slightly inward and lower than JFK. From that trajectory the direct-line bullet makes more sense
This films is unquestionably engaging and Stone knows how to capture audiences
But people should not be so naive as to treat it as a documentary
There are many other inaccuracies too - not least the portrayal of David Ferrie who always maintained his innocence and was never charged. Were he still alive, he would have grounds to sue Stone for libel.
David Ferrie was NOT innocent.
i didnt know newman was in this movie...
Hello, Newman.
They should have had a flash-forward to the 2010’s when the Magic Bullet idea was largely disproved - when someone researched that Garrison and others were basing it on the seat layout of a standard Lincoln Continental Limousine. The Presidential model had offset seats that line up with straight rifle shots.
The thing is that the bullet was in near perfect condition. When going through bones and body bullets fragment
Yes but the pristine bullet idea was also debunked. The Australian documentary’s duplication of the shot, including gel and bone dummy, left a similar bullet which was largely intact and did not fragment. The original bullet is also not in perfect condition but was deformed and twisted. This also brings the question of why conspirators would fake evidence in a way they know wouldn’t be believed.
@@johnwatson3948 "This also brings the question of why conspirators would fake evidence in a way they know wouldn’t be believed."
Hurry is the father of all fk ups.
Newman...
This was an excellent movie. It brings up many inconsistencies in the Warren report, and if anyone really thinks that Oswald acted as the lone gunman, please explain why there were bullet fragments in JFKs skull, and the bullets that came out of Oswald's rifle were non-frangible. As in hardened. They dont fragment. Also, there were 6 shots that are clearly heard from the police motorcycle radios. At best, Lee Harvey was an average shot, per his USMC records. He made a shot yes. Hit JFK. BUT, he wasnt alone. LBJ forced Earl Warren to keep quiet as to not put us into WW3. If you dont think so, why were the documents sealed for 75 years after the trial concluded? Things that make you go HMMM
Any bullet can fragment.
The problem comes in when the bullet is harder than the material it's hitting. And that assumes the bullet has no defects increasing the chance of fragmentation.
Decent quality ammo made today fragments, even if slightly, after hitting a dirt birm.
@Soldier4USA2005 true but the bullet that was found on the gurney was pristine while there was fragments found in Kennedys skull. That's my point. They tried to say just 1 bullet did all that damage. So called "magic bullet theory". They are hiding something. Ain't no way that Oswald acted alone. There were 6 CLEAR shots recorded on the police motorcycle escort radios. Not 3. Too many questions to be answered that are not satisfied by the Warren report. My concern is that our government had our president EXECUTED. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
@Soldier4 is right, they were tiny specks of medal, not chucks of bullet. Bullets, no matter what they're made of can't keep all their metal after colliding with something like a skull which is hard as a rock.
Not only are you wrong about police radios picking up sounds of the shots, but even the HSCA only claimed their audio experts could identify 4 shots not 6. Incidently they were proven wrong by 2 independent studies, 1 from the National Academy of Sciences in the early 80s.
The government routinely seals documents for all kinds of reasons. In the Kennedy case reasons for keeping documents locked up were for example, fears of making public the CIA tactics for obtaining information in the soviet and cuban embassys in Mexico city.
Another example are documents with names of informants who were promised anonymity shouldve been kept locked up.
Documents that had adverse information on people whether true or not (it's impossible to tell based solely on testimony from someone else), for example if someone gave testimony about someone who they thought was an alcoholic, or someone said John Doe who was a known spousal abuser..those may have only been the opinions of the people giving the testimony but since that kind of sensitive information about someone clearly had nothing to do with the case, it was just recorded testimony, it need not have gotten out and destroyed people's reputations
Newman looks so different without his glasses.
........except that Connally was in a jump seat, which placed him further inboard and lower in the car.......
Now that was one magic loogie
“One of the grossest lies ever forced on the Ameh’ican people”.
Bout right, that.
No, the only thing this actually case was about was a southern prosecutor going after a Clay Shaw because his crime was being a homosexual in the 60s
You do realise this isn’t the trajectory that is endorsed by the Warren Commission. This is fiction. Anyone can clearly see the real trajectory from Lee Harvey’s rifle and it makes sense.
Remember this movie while undoubtedly entertaining, is massively fictional. The points in the movie have been thoroughly debunked. I’m sorry but it’s clear that Lee assassinated Kennedy.
One of the grossest lies until covid 19.
Ross Coulthard, there may be a reason they used the 11001001 on their patch. There was a uk pilot I think that gave evidence he came across a craft in his work and it had symbols on the side of it, binary symbols. If you are interested I’ll try to find the video again but essentially those symbols were written down by that pilot the next day and when later a computer was developed (maybe because of material gathered) the symbols were analysed. When converted they read something “earth exploration” etc etc
That is one magic loogie
This reminds me of a Seinfeld episode involving Wayne Knight (Newman)
All kidding aside, JFK is such an awesome, epic film & no matter how you feel about Oliver Stone or Kevin Costner, they both knocked it out of the park w/ their directing & acting, respectively.
3 hours and 20 minutes of Oliver Stone proclaiming that Lee Harvey Oswald did not act alone.
And it's pretty damn great... technically talking at least
Oswald didn't even do it.
Special edition?
@@Mike-ke4yp Explain why his paraffin test was negative? Why three witnesses (Adams, Garner etc.) said that he could not have been higher than the 2nd flor. The foto manipulation where he held the rifle. The difference look of the rifle on the photo and on the film where they took the rifle from the TSBD...
@@jp-legalparaffin tests were grossly unreliable. The bullet chamber once loaded and ready to fire, seals in the gases and prevents them from coming in contact with a person's face. Plus a paraffin test can only tell whether there's nitrates or nitrites on the skin, it can not determine their origin. In other words, it's impossible to prove from a paraffin test if someone fired a weapon.
Victoria Adams was NOT saying she saw Oswald on the stairs back in 64.
And there was no photo manipulation of the backyard photos. Marina said she took them, and the FBI found her camera and the negatives of the photos. Cameras leave certain marks on film negatives that are as specific as fingerprints. The negatives of the backyard photos had markings that proved they were taken in Oswald's camera and Marina testified that she in fact took them.
That was one magic loogie
That is one magic lugie
THAT.. is one magic bullet.
Funny because Kramer and Newman did just this analysis from Keith Hernandez
I always wondered why an entire intact cartridge was planted on the gurney at the hospital.
Entire cartridges are not the projectiles that exit a fired gun.
Anyone who remembers the PC game “Spycraft The Great Game” will remember the K.A.T which was to solve the ‘magic bullet’ theory.
As to whether K.A.T existed isn’t certain.
What an awesome scene in an awesome movie
seinfeld got me here
Back, and to the left
Ok ok....it was me. I was the second gunman on the grassy knoll
No, it was Woody Harrelson’s dad.
@@kennethlee2278 He fired from inside the curbside storm drain.
That is one magic loogie.
Wayne Knight & the Magic Loogie
😄😄😄😄😄
Bill Mahr did this routine tonight with Jada Picket on New Rules
Say what you will, but anybody who still believes that Oswald acted alone, is far beyond ever being educated.
Basically you're just calling people idiots. If anyone else was involved except Oswald, prove it.
So says someone who choose's to buy into the governments bullshit. They lie, haven't you heard? Apparently not.
***** I have a better idea. Why don't you prove that Oswald DID do it.
defiantone
Right. After eight investigations and reexamining all pointing to Oswald acting alone you think you really know what happened. You're trying to shift it to me now, it's the reverse scientific method of deciding what happened and then ignoring everything that doesn't seem to point to it. If you think anyone outside of Oswald was involved it is on you to prove it and there is absolutely not a single shred of evidence supporting that.
Here I can make it easy. Assume that I'm totally wrong. Ok, now prove that there was a conspiracy. Who do you think did it? How? What evidence do you have?
First off, the Warren Commission is much like the 9/11 Commission, in that its the governments OWN THEORY. Knowing you, you probably buy into both Commissions. And if you do, you need some serious educating little boy.
The official testimony of Roy Kellerman blew the doors off the Warren Commission. He basically looked right at em & told them that once the limo had gone into the kill zone of Dealey Plaza that he knew they had driven right into an ambush, taking fire from all over the place, that "a flurry of shells came into the car" & that they were definitely wrong about their gunshot total because "There had to be more than three shots, gentleman."
And there's a huge problem with the Mannlicher rifle that was supposedly found on the 6th floor & was used to connect Oswald to the assassination. When the rifle was first found, it was not identified that way. It was identified instead as a 7.65 millimeter Mauser rifle, That identification was made & made quite clearly by law enforcement officials themselves who were closely familiar with rifles. Deputy Sheriff Eugen Boone discovered the rifle & then wrote the following words in his official statement} "I was assisting in the search of the 6th floor of the Dallas County Book Depository at Elm St. & Houston St. proceeding from the east side of the building. Officer Weitzman DPD & I were together as we approached the Northwest corner of the building. I saw the rifle partially hidden behind a row of books with two (2) other boxes of books against the rifle. The rifle appeared to be a 7.65 Mauser with a telescope sight on the rifle."
Then you have the limo JFK was in. Excuse me, but a murder just took place. And not just any murder, but the murder of the President of the United States. So that said, don't that make the limo he had his brains blown out in, a crime scene? And what do they do at a crime scene? They put yellow tape around the crime scene. Did they do that here? No. What did they do? JFK's limo was quickly shipped off to Detroit for a rapid make-over. Does that tell you anything about the authenticity of the governments actual efforts to determine who killed our President? Maybe I should say the lack thereof.
Then you have the illegal removal of the President's body. Imagine that. The government succeeded in getting the body of the President out of Dallas without an autopsy. In other words, Air Force One didn't so much take off, as it made a getaway. President & no civilian autopsy had been conducted. Then the body was placed in a controlled environment the military hospital at Bethesda. And there, the autopsy was conducted. After the autopsy, Commander Humes who conducted the autopsy, burned his notes, which was probably the first time in history that a serious autopsy resulted in the burning of the notes. Ironically, two of the agents who participated in the illegal seizure of the President's body at gunpoint were Roy Kellerman & Roy Greer who rode in JFK's limo & were paramount to his supposed security. Since the murder of a president was not then a federal crime, the agents had ZERO jurisdiction. The law was changed AFTER the assassination, now the murder of a federal official is a federal matter. But it wasn't in 1963. So whatever else there is to be said about it, the fact of the matter is that they DID violate the law & they did so very aggressively.
Then you have the X-rays of JFK. The actual X-rays showed the bullet particles fragmented extensively in the President's head, which means the Mannlicher Carcano couldn't have fired the bullet, as a Mannlicher only shoots a full metal jacketed bullet. All military weapons by NATO & the Geneva Convention like Mannlicher are not allowed to shoot fragmented bullets from them. So the bullet out of the weapon would have to be a full metal jacket bullet, which does not break into pieces, that tells you that the bullet is not from that gun.
And I will no longer discuss this with you. We'll just have to agree to disagree even though I'm right & you're wrong. I do my research little tike, so I strongly suggest you do the same. And lastly, if the government's version is so honest, why the hell after all these years, do they still have a shitload of documents on the JFK Assassination locked up for? I'll tell you why. Because it would prove they lied. Much like they did with 9/11. But you can continue to buy into all their bullshit & keep drinking the Kool-Aid. And do NOT post me again on this subject, as I have nothing more to say to ya. What I posted, pretty much shows the TRUTH to all the BS this crackpot government gets blind Kool-Aid drinking sheep like you not to believe. And that's the TRUTH.
Hello, Newman
"Nice game, pretty boy"
The greatest mystery of the century.
Not at all when the official truth is that stupid. One of the greatest lies and coups, definitely.
"Believe it Or Not!" -Ripley (hired consultant by all governments to explain worldwide events🤣)
There was at least 5 shots fired. No audio in the z film.
Then how do you know?
There had to be a second spitter!
Behind the bushes on the gravelly road!
I'm leaving, Costner's a nut
if the shooter was shooting electrons then all of these could have been possible
It was McDowell. But why? Why McDowell
Thats one magic loogie...
I Like the part when he said the bullet exits Kennedy throat hangs in the air for 1.6 seconds and goes into Connolly back. Warren Commission full of crock!
No the movie has not aged well the magic bullet has been proven to be true. Remember this came out in 1991 there’s been computerized analysis that the movie did not take into account. Such as the fact that Kennedy seat was higher and narrower than Conleys in front of him which creates the appropriate angle for the bullet to go through the neck and into Conley and yes the bullet after going through tissue tumbles in the air to turn different directions and this type of bullet can come out relatively pristine even after hitting bone. Scientific analysis through computer generated angles as well as forensic re-creation has proven this to occur.
The full report has been documented below
m.ruclips.net/video/Q7ERXm9OwuE/видео.html
Then if that’s true why doesn’t the CIA release all the Kennedy documents? If Oswald was the loan shooter why not show the documents? Because they’re hiding and lying about everything man!
@@philliphill8985 finding discrepancy does not prove anything. you can find 100 discrepancies the day Regan was shot, like why didnt the SService do this or that, why did they go to this hospital, why was a guy holding a Umbrella ect ect.......also finding connections to groups like the CIA, Mafia Cuba, or finding parts of the Gov that hate the President is true with ANY president, the 6th degree of kevin bacon game ect ...They released the doc....so what specific document that you know exists has not been released ?
@@fendergibs So let me guess! You are one of those ones that believe your government ( Ones in power) don’t lie? Common man! That whole Kennedy thing is a crock of stink! You continue to believe what you want. Witnesses dying to soon witnesses not being called to testify! REALLY! That Attorney Arlen Spector had to really fish for that story how 1 bullet entered Kennedy and Gov. Conolly at the same time. Watch the Zupruder film. Connolly still has his Stetson hat in his hand. When the so called second bullet go through his wrist into his leg! How the fuck can you hold on to your Stetson hat when a bullet goes through your wrist and not let go of your hat!
That's right Newman was in this movie did they ever find the magic spitter
Men of culture will known that Erik Lehnsherr is the real culprit here
NEWMAN RULES, MASSIVE RESPECT TO WAYNE KNIGHT, FROM LONDON UK
if only they didn't spend the entire game cursing at Roger McDowell
The analysis is completely faulty, based on the assumption that all three shots are present on the Zapruder film. It's now understood that the first shot happened just as the limo was turning onto Elm, when Z wasn't filming. Garrison's case was bunk.
And Specter was awarded for his efforts by the ruling class.
Bullet’s can do crazy things. Watch forensic files “the magic bullet”
However there wasn't, because the magic bullet theory is made up with false assumptions on their position and the car. The shot happened. There was one shooter.
This theory could be possible considering "if" Connely as seen in the Zapruder film, was turning to the back to see where the shot came from. That is possible and i belive the angles of entrance exit and reentrance in Connely could be possible. But...I do not belive that this bullet would be pristine when exiting Connelys body!
It's not pristine, that's a conspiracy theory lie, multiple evidence photos of it show it's clearly bent and has several flat spots along with the fact that it ejected over 2 grains of lead out of it's open base when it was damaged hitting bone.
Only one evidence photo from one particular angle makes it appear to be pristine which is the only one the conspiracy industry hucksters want people to see, look at any of the other one's and you can clearly see how damaged it is.
And. Now we learn the bullet that hit jfk in the back fell oit onto the seat behind kennedy 'i. I can feel the end of the wound with my finger'
Also proves the later hypothesis of at least 5 shots
Magic bullet key to conspiracy bullets don’t curve
Makes sense to me
The true story of Garrison and Shaw is more interesting and sad.
Like the way. The judge is smokin a cig
Poor Newman. First that parking ticket. Then the JFK trial. Then getting spit on by McDowell. And then the mail never stops! And then it's PUBLISHER'S CLEARING HOUSE DAY!!
Hellooooo Newman
Daria brought me here.
60 years today!!!!!! And we don't know 10% of truth....
Some people think they can outsmart me
Maybe *sniffs maybe
I have yet to meet one who can outsmart bullet
Yeah but nobody is asking the real question, here. What if JFK's head just.... did that?
Like a pimple?
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