That Pedal Show - Boss CE-1, CE-2 & CE-2 Waza, Plus Four Other Great Chorus Pedals
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
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In this episode Daniel and Mick revisit the wonderful world of chorus sounds, chiefly around the genre-defining evolution of early Boss CE-1 and CE-2 pedals. That’s currently relevant because the brand has recently released its higher-end, Japanese-made Waza Craft line of pedals, one of which is the CE-2w.
So, we compare an original CE-1, CE-2 and the new CE-2w, plus a small selection of other chorus pedals that we rate very highly.
For good measure we also have a Roland JC-120 on hand.
Pedals In This Episode…
• Boss CE-1 Chorus Ensemble (in G2 loop 5)
Only available used
• Boss CE-2 Chorus (in G2 loop 4)
Only available used
• Boss CE-2w Waza Craft Chorus (in G2 loop 3)
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Analogman Bi-Chrous (in G2 loop 7)
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Chase Bliss Audio Warped Vinyl MkII Analog Vibrato Chorus (in G2 loop 6)
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Free The Tone TA-1H Tri-Avatar Multi Dimensional Chorus (in G2 loop 9)
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Tone City Angel Wing Chorus (in G2 loop (replaces the CE-2 in loop 4 when we use it)
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As ever, all switching and routing is handled by TheGigRig G2 - watch Dan’s video at bit.ly/2dSt4Ev
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Interesting bits and go-to sections…
• Intro and background: 0:00 - 2:48
• CE-1 sounds and discussion: 2:48
• CE-1/AC30 compared with JC-120: 5:10
• Explanation/demonstration of what chorus is: 8:20
• CE-1 & CE-2 comparison: 10:19
• CE-2 sounds and discussion: 11:30
• CE-2 with overdrive (Vemuram Jan Ray): 13:09
• CE-2w & CE-2 discussion, examples and comparisons: 15:12
• CE-2w & CE-1 discussion, examples and comparisons: 19:37
• CE-2w modes comparison: 21:32
• Analog Man Bi-Chorus discussion and examples: 24:35
• Analog Man Bi-Chorus & CE-2w compared: 26:23
• Chase Bliss Audio Warped Vinyl discussion and examples: 27:38
• Free The Tone TA-1H Tri-Avatar Multi Dimensional Chorus sounds and discussion: 31:12
• Tone City Angel Wing Chorus sounds and discussion: 37:15
• Boss CE-2w conclusions and observations: 41:32
Amps in this episode
1961 Vox AC30 (original Celestion Blue speakers) (G2 amp output 1)
1970s Roland JC-120 (G2 amp output 2)
Guitars in this episode
• Fender American Vintage ’62 Stratocaster - watch Mick’s video at bit.ly/2cQv3yT
• Fender Custom Shop ’63 Telecaster - watch Dan’s video at bit.ly/2dlZJ6K
• Gibson ES-335 Dot (belonging to Peter Honoré)
• Gretsch G5422TG 2016
• Gretsch G6118T Players Edition Anniversary - watch Dan’s video at bit.ly/2eKxfE5
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45 min on Chorus. Reminded of why I love this show. Awesome stuff.
Its awesome!! And i dont even like chorus pedals
Someone always beats me to the comment I want to leave...lol
Very interested in the CE-2w after watching this. Surprised that to me it actually sounded *better* than the original pedals
Another great show guys! I don't play guitar (I'm a bassplayer) but still watch your shows because they're informative, fun and such a labour of love. Keep it up!
Now you nailed the Voice mic volume guys! Some of your last vids were a little hard to hear you talking, but this one, spot on! Tks for another great one! Cheers
You know you're good mates when someone else turns your volume pot down. Love it. Mick is always conscious of recording levels and Dan doesn't even blink. One mind in two bodies.
Once again, Dan transcends what I believe is possible. I ALWAYS learn something new. I used to hate chorus, but his older video and this one made me love chorus. His old Chorus Ensemble is amazing! One thing old pedals do great is they make your core tone sound good when you dig in!
My BOSS Me-2 is something else...been rocking with it for the 35+ years of it and it has never let me down
For me, this is for sure my favorite episode. I got the Waza and it fits like a glove for me. I love hearing those comparisons between the three.
Question! Do you use the Waza in mono out? Or stereo out? Does it really matter?
Oh my god! Both of your faces at the prospect of the CE-1 with a Tape Delay. I'm impressed that you didn't stop filming right then and go and play!
Excellent episode, even for me being not a chorus fan. That Wazacraft is a gem! Free-the-tone is a very interesting one (everything that guy builds is simply put: superb). Thank you Mick & Dan.
The demonstration of how Chorus works using a delay pedal was genius!
I still have the CE-2 my Mom bought for me in 1985 from Thoroughbred Music in Tampa, FL. It was my only chorus pedal until around 2013. The thing I notice about the CE-2 is that it gives me a bit of a volume boost when it is engaged. But it has always been the best chorus sound I have ever had!
+Ty Barnes Yep - like a low mid kick or something. I like it for that!
The first pedal I bought with my first ever paycheck in the 80's was a CE2 and it's still on my board today. Love it.
My God, I love that JC-120 clean chorus tone; simply sublime.
Thanx for all the great videos you 2. I have learned so much, and continue to be educated and entertained by you guys.
+Sean Mahoney Thank you Sean!
I sold my old CE-1 to a local shop and it has been languishing in the pedal case, unpurchased, for some time now.... and I really want to go buy it back now. Thanks a lot :)
favourite video so far chaps. honourable mention for the old mij pearl ch01 which kicked an analogman bichorus off my board and is my personal desert island pedal.
bloody love this channel guys,keep up the great work!!!
Mick so nearly slipped into who can it be now, love it. Those midnight oil tones are unreal too, so underrated in this country. I too stupidly sold a ce2... Well not stupidly, bills needed paying but I'm now very glad there is something to fill the void.
Yeah absolutely. Listen to the tones on Place Without A Postcard and there is some sick chorus + distortion going on.
I used to have the CE2 and loved it, but sold it. I watched this video when it came out and loved the Waza and finally got one this week. I love it and I hear what you are saying about the CE1 with the overdrive thing, but you can get that with other pedals,boosts in to the chorus to acheive that. And Boss pedals are indestructible, I still have a SD1 33 years old.
This episode will be my happy place for a good while. The Boss CE2 was my gateway into playing guitar simply because my early 80s budget strat knock off had appalling tuning issues and using chorus made the sound much more palatable. Lovely to hear the JC120 in action as well and even today, nothing really comes close to that epic chorus width that the twin speaker setup imparts. Excellent stuff as always chaps.
+Simon Godfrey LOVE that approach to chorus. Superb!
Ok, that's it... I'm subscribing! A channel dedicated to guitar effects pedals? HELL YEAH!
The face on Daniel when he imagined the CE-1 with a Tape Delay...Priceless!
I used to have a Roland 301
Which is exactly that!!
They are stupid money now
@cobowe Good news! BOSS have released the RE-2 and RE-202 pedals, which are a dead-on sonic re-creation of the old Roland RE-201 Space Echo tape unit. Stack a CE-2W switched to CE-1 chorus mode in front of an RE-2 or RE-202 and Bob's your uncle. Another option with this setup is to parallel blend the chorus and delay with a BOSS LS-2 line selector pedal in A+B mix mode. Total cost: between $480 and $760, depending on which pedals you go with. Still far less than the minimum $1,795 that Reverb sellers are currently asking for functioning RE-301's.
Not only are your videos amazing, but DAMN that description box is perfectly descriptive!! lol I mean wow! Everything is perfectly laid out and linked and outlined. Great job guys. And I was never really a fan of chorus till I heard a Fender Princeton Chorus and fell in love. Picked it up for only $199 used ;) Cheers guys
+Hulk Slayer Thank you. It takes Mick bloody ages to do it - glad it's appreciated!
great video lv thd chours sound but the sound you got with the tele omg to die for .keep up the great work guys
Wow CE-1 = instand Cyndi Lauper "Time After Time" tone....so many classics written on that pedal. Really amazing and intelligent video guys, first time viewing, awesome comparisons with the genuine articles. Couldn't think of a better way to do it if I tried, so informative. Thank you!
ianA You can certainly get the same effect for that song through a Ce-1 or something like it. However, the Publison DHM 89 b2 is the rack unit used on Time After Time, and all over the She’s So Unusual record. The engineer did an interview online about it. It’s an amazing unit, and utilizes more of the delay type chorus.
Hey guys, love the show and have learnt so much from watching it! I realise that you do feature cheaper pedals in many of your videos but it would be great if for a future video you both choose some of your favourite budget pedals (maybe under £100). This would be great for people like me who love gear but haven't always got tonnes of money to spend! Thanks for all the great stuff guys keep it coming!!!
Just found this channel. What a great pair of guys. Really enjoyed the video. No smart ass ego nonsense. Just honest and thorough comparisons as if you're right here in my own living room. Keep up the terrific work, fellas. Greetings from Brisbane.
+Sixth Sanctum Thank you! Dan is from Brisbane y'know. Greetings to all down under!
Just received a CE-1 from VRM Effect and came all the way back here to enjoy myself with chorusy episode. HAPPY DAYS!
Can't stop watching your show.
finally know how to what to look for in a guitar pedal.
I've been so looking forward to this one guys!
Mick’s expression at 3:58 is great! I love that crunchy CE-1 and it sure seemed to surprise the hell out of Mick!
Mmmmmm.....So many delicious chorusy tones! I really need that new CE-2 Waza.
Great show guys! My pedal board claim to fame is that my Boss CE-2 was previously owned by the guitarist of 90's 1 hit wonder band Stiltskin. Love it to bits. :)
I love Midnight Oil getting a mention, one of my favourite bands.
Great vid man. You guys are getting better and better at the demo thing for sure. Your channel is pretty much my "go to" to determine how a pedal sounds, that I've never heard before. Also your gear is very good.....hah....amps, geetars, etc.
+Bill's Studio thanks Bill :)
Set the alarm early to get some work done and have a coffee. Thanks for providing the backing track to my morning.
I was working while listening to this shootout. Didn't catch what these guys said, but when the sound of the BOSS CE-1 out, I just stop working and came to check which pedal it was. I guess there is indeed something special in the vintage pedal.
I find the brief exchange at 11:18 utterly disturbing...and that sort of mania is a huge reason I love this channel so much. We all need a little analysis. And thanks for the mini-demonstration with the delay to explain chorusing.
+Bruce Johnson Hahahah! Dan and I were having a discussion that relates to this just today. It's to do with the difference of being excited and inspired by something, and trying to demonstrate something that you're not really interested in. We're going to become increasingly disinterested in stuff that doesn't interest us, because neither of us have enough hours left in our lives to devote to stuff that does. (How's that for a sentence?)
So yeah, that Totally Impractical Pedalboard challenge is currently riding much higher on the list than 'WTF didn't you include the //insert random chorus pedal here// video.
Hooray for being inspired. Yawn to making pragmatic choices.
I ordered my CE-2w today....I can't wait! I personally don't care for the breakup on the original on the CE-1, but the chorus sound of the CE-1 is the best.
Great video guys! I'd love to see you do a video about how to get "that sound" from some iconic amps: Vox, Supro, Marshall, etc.
the CE - 1 will always be the best for me, not only for the chorus but the level control as well
The CE-1 sounds soooooooo good!!!! Bloody fantastic!
Great video, Mick and Dan!!! After the video, I was searching the CE-1 and the Waza Craft, and my choice would be the CE-1. But then, I stumbled upon a Rivera Modified CE-1, which would be my real choice if I could afford. It separates those rate and depth controls from the chorus and add pre-gain and post level separate controls too. The only ugly thing is the power cable.
All those three versions (CE-1, CE-2w, modified CE-1) have stereo out, which I would use where I am using a handcrafted stereo splitter, right after the overdrive pedal. Many times, it would represent flutter imperfections from vintage instruments when the digital simulators of those instruments can't get a good result for that (slow flutter).
And, back to the guitars, they would be awesome chorus pedals.
Anyway, I should recommend more your channel. Dan is a great master explaining what the signals are doing. Mick knows some special tweaks too, and they don't pass unnoticed.
How to start my Friday before classes?
With a little bit of Dan and Mick.
Nice vid chaps, you've inspired me to fix my Vox 1905 chorus. Good work.
I've watched this twice now...I just ordered a Waza! WAZZZAAAAA! Thanks guys! I'll buy a tee-shirt next!
My favorite effect, thanks for doing this!
Hi Guys - another great show.
When I researched for a substitute for my beloved CE1, I found the Retro Sonic CE-1. To me it is "exactly" the same as the old Boss CE1, but without the noise, and running on 9 volt, standard. The guy who made it also supplied a "how to" remove one resistance, depending on if I wanted the original high-cut from the old Boss or a more neutral sound from the Retro Sonic. I haven't heard the new, more grey colored version he is building now, but the first original, came really close, and sounded better than the new Boss products to my worn out ears :-) Ok, is doesn't have the input gain issue, some love ... :-)
Another small comment - to my ears, it sound like the Waza has slightly longer delay, than the CE2 ... seems (at least in this video) that the chorused signal is a little longer away from the original signal on the Waza. So the dobbling effect gets a little stronger from the Waza and therefor slightly more crispy?!?! Haven't heard them any of the two in real world - just an impression from you excellent work.
All the very best - Soren
BTW - Very nice to say hello to you when you visited Copenhagen - cheers S
You guys seriously make my day! Thank you and oh my waza I want one! 😆
Great video guys! I had an original CE-2, I sold it a while ago and made a fair bit of cash out of it. It was the best sounding chorus I've ever heard in the flesh, but the bypassed signal was so tainted by it, big treble loss. I now crave this WAZA model sooooo bad. I'm getting one for sure :-)
You know, I've shelved my Boss CH-1 Super Chorus for the time being but I'm glad I've hung on to it. You guys always point out cool things you can do with just subtle additions of a pedal's sound to the mix. Thanks as always for another great show.
I'd love to see you guys tripping with an organelle! Awesome video as usual, cheers
Ahh that makes me so happy.. Everytime I play through my chorus pedal I always play the intro to the crowded house song Don't dream its over.
That was in this. But I think Simon cut it. He was bored of endless 80s references and felt like we’d made the point.
Yes! I've been waiting for this one!
Once again great show. This is becoming a dangerous $150 / week habit. Brilliant playing. Thank you.
Never thought I would use chorus, but I got my hands on an original CE-2 from 1979. I set it for more vibe-ish wobbly sound than 80's ballad sounds though. Love it!
i watched the video of your session at CPH guitar show it was great, hope you will go there again next year !
Oh man I am all over that Waza, I've needed to replace my crappy little plastic Behringer multi-effects for so long and this one absolutely nails it, can't wait to nab this one!
The Electromatic! Congrats, Mick. That's a beauty.
+Adam K Just spoke to me. Sounds sooooo good with gain.
Hey Dan! I also love the ce-1 and crowded house XD
Great show guys! On my pedalboard I'm still rockin' a DOD FX65 Stereo Chorus that I purchased in the 80's. Also, I really love some of the chorus models in the Helix.
My missus says it's not a chorus pedal unless it's light blue.
+Darryld1 She is obviously a wonderful woman.
I also rigged her up with a Waza switch and now she also modulates in pitch as well as in time. Who knew?
I knew.
@@Ravensongcalvinbatley Everyone knew except Darryl.
She modulates harder when i activate her flange
Every time I put on chorus I play "Come As You Are" too, it's a habit. Chorus is probably my favorite pedal after Reverb.
thanks for this video! and 1000+ on doing some deeper Chase Bliss videos!
my CE-1, and DEluxe Electric Mistress are my fave pedals also. Not sure if you meant the Deluxe, but close enough for me. you have impeccable taste in pedals, heheh. Love your show.
Another great video! But to be honest I preferred the CE-2W Wazacraft. Surprisingly I find the Wazacraft's sound very pleasing and musical. I have tried gazillion Chrous pedals throuhout the years including the Analogman, Neunaber digital Chorus algorithm, CMADMODs Analog Chorus and many others, but this Boss Waza seems a winner! I'm gonna try it out soon in a shop. Thanks!
I love chorus. It's one effect that is basically always on when I play clean sounds, and I'm getting a new appreciation for it when used with dirty sounds. I don't really set mine to be ridiculously warble-y, though. What Dan plays at the very beginning is as far as I dare take it. :-)
love your show. I have an old Ibanez CS9 Chorus from the 80s but sadly its dead. just like the music . RIP
I have been a CE-2 fan but the Callisto is something that might put a smile on your faces :)
I am wishing you had included the Red Witch Empress Chorus. I do love to see that you included the Chase Bliss.
If you can find a Roland Guitar System GS6 rack unit it contains four different Chorus models including the original CE1, CE2, Chorus Ensemble, and later Roland Jazz Chorus amp models. The GS6 has fully adjustable delay times, depth, speed, panning stereo options and stereo placement options. It can be thought of as Jazz Chorus Amp in rack form. The delay time and reverb section can achieve flanging, through-zero flanging, Leslie Rotary, and Uni-Vibe type sounds. The delay section has panning, e.q. control, types of delay including tape style, and the reverb section is fantastic, including the Spring Reverb model. The effects can be route in various configurations. It's a recommended secondhand purchase for Roland Chorus fans. It also has rotary controls and 64 memory slots. The preamp models are pretty good too.
Don't feel bad, Mick. I saw you play that guitar on the Anderton's channel and it is high up on my list of guitars to add to my collection. :)
I have played every pedal featured here except for Tone City and an original CE-1. The CE-2w is currently on my board. Analogman an amazing pedal, but I wanted a very specific tone. The Boss is THE pedal for the 80's chorus sounds. Running a low gain OD in front of the CE-1 setting nails that sound. I'm surprised the Small Clone wasn't covered more, it is a classic analog circuit that is inexpensive and sounds great.
Martin Rotsey also used a CE1 with white strat and twin AC30s especially great on place w/o a postcard and 10 to 1. Cant decide between Jim or Marty as my favourite. Martins best stuff is pre red sails.
Would really like to hear the TC Electronic Stereo Chorus/Flanger (SCF) on the show some day.
Love to see more comparisons between original BOSS products and the Waza Craft stuff.
+John Falk Good news John, we have most of them now so expect that to start happening. :0)
Andertons did this with on their channel when they first came out. Only one I remember was the Blues driver which there was basically zero noticeable difference between the waza and the regular standard one (at least on youtube).
I think with a GE-7 after you could easily make your CE-2W sound exactly like the original. Maybe a boost before to get the CE-1 grind?
The Angel Wing really surprised me, it sounds really good.
Gotta say though, that vintage CE-2 has the magic. I LOVE that sound, hands down my favourite. That being said, the CE-1 mode of the CE-2w sounds (even) better than the real thing.
All around, great episode. Good to see chorus getting some love. I've got a CE-20 and having the preset options is so much fun.
+Alice Mason Angel Wing is a no brainer for an occasional use pedal, or introduction to chorus. Lots in the CE-20 for sure! Thanks for watching Alice!
You had the depth cranked on the angel wing. It actually does a pretty passable ce-2 sound
Just picked up the Waza. Will work it into my GigRig soon.
Hi, guys! I know you guys have not covered this in this video, but it'd be great to get your guys' thoughts on the Strymon Ola Chorus & Vibrato pedal. I think it's one of the least-talked about chorus/vibrato pedals as well as one of the most underrated Strymon pedals and not many videos have covered this pedal as much.
Thanks so much to you both. Cheers from California.
-David
Waza Chorus is the best to my ears. However since the Seymour Duncan Catalina chorus has a blend knob as wlel, that is the one I went with.
Now check out the giants of rack chorus: Roland Dimention D, tc electronic stereo chorus/flanger expander and a DyTronics Tri Stereo Chorus or a Fulltone terc!
All this chorus, and not one Johnny Marr riff. ;-)
That has got to be punishable by law somewhere...
Heaven knows I'm miserable now.
Seriously!! Marr made chorus sound so cool
little did they know...
Love the snippet of Echo Beach!
you guys should totally do a live show! with special guests and house band everything!
+Mark Mai That would awesome. Maybe one day, if funds and time ever allow!
Man, as much as I dig Chorus, I don't dig it. Then you play it and make it sound great again. That Boss Waza pedal is sick!
I have the ce-2 and ce-2w they are both great :)
Dan, I also like the fact that it sound like you have an od when you dig in
Yep, it’s a massive part of the CE1 sound
9:20 finally I think I have understood how it works..thank you guys!
Looking forward to hearing your views on the new Waza Chorus...👍🎸
I was torn between the CE-2W and the Walrus Julia, decided to go with the Boss because I hate button style pedals. Love it so far - big fan of the CE-1 vibrato setting on it.
Representing a lot of Canadian talent on this one! Awesome!
So much love for the jazz chorus amp
Dan absolutely KILLING echo beach! Best intro ever.
There's a recording on RUclips of you guys at the Copenhagen Guitar show. It was a great segment and Greg Koch's clinic was great to watch too.
I recently got an old Ibanez CSL stereo chorus on eBay... It is perfect! It's very much like the boss CE2 but it seems to have a much more full low end. The best part is that I only paid £36!
I got my CE-2 after seeing David Lindley and El Rayo-X in the early '80's. He had his set with the Rate at 10:30 and Depth at 2:00 give or take a few minutes. That's where I almost always put it and it's a great rhythm guitar tone. If I were to go out and buy a new chorus the Waza would be my first one to try, but the Free the Tone would be an option if it were in my budget. Keep up the good work guys!
+Paul Honeycutt Spoooky - I was listening to that record just yesterday! (Mick here)
Well, now you know how to set your chorus when you try to cop those licks through your Dumble. ;-)
"One day we've got to set that (Boss CE-1) up with the tape delay (the Echoplex?)"
PLEASE DO IT in the future!!!
Cheers
That and the Electric Mistress.