@@TheG60528XiJinPing Thanks! I actually bought it off Cars and Bids, haha. 2008 white car. De-modifying it and maintenance, and I’ll probably have $30k into it.
Starting to think Doug has a stock pile of 996 911s and he's just waiting and trying to push the values up on them so he can make a huge profit on them 🤣
1:40 BMW M5 E60 Manual - (In addition to the rod bearings and dual throttle motors: The vanos lines both inside and outside the engine blow, there are 4 vanos solenoids that are very expensive each, the vanos solenoid housings are even more expensive. You also have problems with the 2x ignition coil modules) 3:00 Dodge Challenger SRT8 - Manual option available that gets you an LSD option. 4:14 Dodge Ram SRT10 - Manual option available. 5:20 2015+ S550 Ford Mustang GT - Manual option available. 6:40 Honda S2000 - Manual transmission. 7:58 Mercedes C63 AMG W204 - No manual available. Headbolt designs rotted the heads of the bolts and lifted the heads and hydro locked the engine. Camshafts were also softer than the bucket lifters, so the cams would wear down. This was all fixed by AMG after 2011 by better bolts and cam materials. 9:45 Porsche 996 911 10:45 Toyota 4Runner 2010+ or 2014+ facelift
so repair modifications do nothing to the m5 and c63? do they run reliably after or is it just a matter of time before those problems show up again because of fundamental flaws in the design of their engines themselves?
@@zee9276 Well with the M5, Its mainly luck. Just realize the repair bills are very high if things keep breaking after you’ve fixed one thing, then another, etc. I also highly suspect he only recommended the manual because the automatic version of this car had even more problems. It used a hydraulically actuated clutch to select gears, so an automatic with a clutch like Ferrari, Lamborghini and Maserati were doing at the time. Those solenoids and repairing that add to everything else which is huge, huge money. You can do the rod bearings to start. But the M5 gets an indicator light on called the cog of death, if you get that it just means you have extensive repair bills coming. And the diagnostic system is so complicated you really need their software. With the C63, they came out in 07, and you can repair them, but it’s just best to get a 2011+ because no one is going to spend the money of replacing the cams on a pre 2011. Each cam costs $1K and there are four of them. And yes if you replace them without updating the shims (another $1000) then they will just wear again. It’s a TON of labor too. I should emphasize the cams aren’t always worn, but if they are, you’re not going to have a good time. In fact, they’re likely to not be worn, but it’s not like the dealer or private seller is gunna let you pop the valve covers off to inspect. If they’re worn/flaking/chipped then you’ve bought a bomb shell.
Doug must have been ran over by a corvette in his past life. Considering its a 400hp/400tq V8 2 seater, fiberglass, targa top and it's not on the list is pretty wild. Especially since you can get one for 20-25k.
Agreed The c5 Z06 you can definitely get for under 30k. You can’t quite get a c6 Z06 under 30k yet but you can still get a C6 with an ls3 for under 30k which is a great car for the money.
I mentioned the C6 in my video of cars to buy for $20,000 or less. The problem is $30,000 is sort of a weird in-between area for Corvettes -- not enough to get a C7 or a C6 Z06, but enough that you can probably do a bit better than a C6.
@@barryjoslin432 If it means anything, I'll always admire the family man more than the billionaire I only get money to have more kids, not for luxury, so you have what I want haha
I just bought my first car. It's a 2020 hyundai veloster 2.0 manual. Certified pre owned with manufacturers warranty got it for under 20k with just 6k miles. Very little power but the manual makes it fun. Plus crazy good gas mileage as that continues to go up
he did say the cost each time a fatal flaw repair was needed... in general, it should be common sense that a flaw that is fatal will cost a few grand to fix. He probably avoided saying any exact numbers because the exact cost will obviously fluctuate greatly depending on the who and where.
4Runner is good but no body ends up keeping them due to the gas mill age and slow unresponsive 5 speed automatic, reliable but very bulky and unresponsive to drive
bought a 2015 BMW M235i for 28k n i love that thing so much. in terms of straight speed it’s the same as the m2 of its era (non competition). u can find higher mileage ones for like 22k, def amazing value for the price
@@TRiley201 the room is pretty good in my opinion, no matter what size you are. I’ve had people in the backseat tell me it’s pretty roomy back there too, for a coupe of course
@@richardnavratil9661 I think with fun/sporty cars, $30k is nothing nowadays because of the chip shortage. Bought my 2019 Mustang GT at $29,000 sticker. NEW. Now, used versions of that car with 30-40k miles are priced at $35k
@@davidmitchell5638 Something tells me its never going to end, they can control production numbers and see that this situation is the most ideal for the greedy corporations
My 2008 E60 M5 has been my daily driver for 8 years now and it has been awesome. It's had a few of the common issues but has never been on a tow truck (minus one accident) and has been an incredible ride. Mine will be with me until I die, I will not ever be selling it.
Hahaha I know the feeling. Mine has left me stranded a couple times. Once I had just gotten it back from the shop for a misfire on one of the cylinders, I started it up, waited about 15 seconds, and then it started having a misfire caused by THE SAME ISSUE on a different cylinder. I swear owning an E60 is like the greatest toxic relationship you could be in.
Get into motorcycles. You can get a used naked/standard or used sportbike for like $2500-$3000 and have something that will go 0-60 in 3 seconds, the 1/4 in under 11 seconds and get 40mpg. After riding bikes my whole life I find most cars to be pretty slow and boring
If I got one of the LS 4th gens it would be the Trans AM....I am sorry but the facelifted Camaro is hideous. I own the pre-facelift Camaro since that is my favorite, but the post facelift Trans AM is a close second place in my eyes (but most would prefer the Trans AM I get it), I just love the sound of the LT1....even though it has less power and isn't quite as reliable.
I don’t think corvettes hold there value well at all. Especially base model cars. They just make to many of them. Only when they become classics and you hold on to them for like 40 years with lower mileage you might see a return on your investment. But I do agree you get a lot of performance for your money 💰.
Doug responded to this in another post. He said that _he thinks_ that $30k is a weird spot for corvettes. You can't get into a (nice)c6 zo6 or a c7 for $30k, and a base C6 is maybe too much at $30k.
Whoever is fan of "really fun cars" doesn't care about U$4 / U$1.05 regular gas, really.... (that's the going rate in San Diego the day this video was uploaded for US Gallons and Liters, respectively)
2015 mercedes c400 4matic great looking, biturbo 3.0L, awd, air suspension, beats or stays with everything listed, more realible and better put together. So good that 6 years later they are still building the same thing but call it a c43 amg
I was about to get one of those back in 2016 for $35k fully loaded used. It was funny to me when they started making the c43 with all the AMG badges even though they are basically the same with a little more power. For better or for worst (depending who you are haha) I ended up getting a Model 3 AWD
C43 is quite different than a C400/450. There are some key differences and it’s not the same exact car. And honestly id still take a 204 over a 205 any day
I bought a 2016 Scat Pack Challenger, almost all the options and a manual for 35k 6 months ago. The advantage to 2015 and newer is you get the upgraded interior, and the 392 is an absolute riot.
Back in 2007 we bought a brand new Honda Civic 2.2 i-nav for 19.000€. Now the high spec full optional Civic costs more than 30k. 10 thousand euros more. Jesus!
I would have to say that a new Mazda MX5 is much more fun that all of those except maybe the S2000. Lightness = fun, especially on tight curves. The excellent gas mileage is an added bonus.
Yeah that depends on the geography were you live, here in most of the US everything is just highway hell and you can travel in straight line for miles and miles, so all the magic of the Miata is lost and heavy powerful boats like the Challenger make more sense.
@@remasher True, but historically the majority of the population lives and works near big cities, not in Montana. No one type of vehicle can be best at everything but after renting many types of vehicles like a McLaren 570S, Porsche 911 4S, Audis, Jaguar, etc, I am always happy to get back in my MX5. It defines fun in a way very few other cars can.
I own the 2014 C63, which was the last actual year for the naturally aspirated 6.2l. Fortunately, I didn’t have the head bolt issue or any other issues. I bought it new, I still own it, and I just went over 50k miles on it this year. Not bad for 8 years. I’ve actually not had to have anything done on this baby other than regularly scheduled maintenance. And some upgrades. I love this car and since it was the last year for those engines I don’t think I’ll ever get rid of it.
Shhhhh. The last thing we need are C6 prices going through the roof. My neighbor has a late 80’s C4 in almost perfect condition with fairly low miles that she only paid $2500 for
Yea but stick shift convertibles made in the first few years when they still had a real steering rack are hard to find at a good price....was just about to buy one then someone beat me to it. I said screw it, save some money and bought a low (for the age) mileage 96 Camaro Z28 convertible 6 speed and I am loving it. Feels so raw and connected......something modern cars lack.
One bonus of buying an SRT-10 is that when it dies you can remove that gargantuan shift lever and do a fairly reasonable impression of walking around as Moses.
Picked up an 02 c5 z06 corvette 4 months ago with 28k miles for 20k canadian. Absolutely love it, much more than my 16 mustang gt. Sure the interior is dated but it's such a fun car to drive.
@@callumdonington2227 autoscout24 .Mind you , I wrote Integrale 16V and NOT Evo. Still a really cool cars, and most race wins in Group A were made by the 8V and 16V Integrales.
I had an 86 HF 4WD in the 90ies. Yes it's fun, but drive the engine warm before using the turbo --and cool it down to an oil temperature below 100C before turning it off. Then do all maintenance. Without exception. And then nevertheless find yourself looking for cheap spare parts. I can't count how many times I was told "that's no normal car, it doesn't have normal prices for spare parts". And this was 25 years ago. I don't want to imagine how it's now. But on the other hand, it really is fun to drive! 👌
@@babelhuber3449 Sure, that's the proper way to handle turbo engines, especially italian ones. The Fiat Twin Cam is pretty robust despite that. There are a lot of specific parts, and a lot of generic parts. Stuff like engine components and brakes can be easily found from the Delta's cousins (Alfa 145/Fiat Tipo/Punto), however stuff like bumpers, fenders, lights can be hard to come by.
Everytime doug does one of these I like to List the prices of the cars in my Country (Portugal) M5 V10: 60.000 euros (some may go for 45-50, but they dont look really good) Dodge Challenger SRT8: 60-80.000 euros (the diff in price is due to most of the ones we have here are special edition imports so, 80k + euro, but the "normal" ones can be seen for 71k) RAM SRT-10: 50.000 euros Mustang GT: 80.000 euros (the 2.3 ecoboost ones can go for 45-50k) Honda S2000: 25-50.000 euros (this one is very weird because there are a lot for sale for 40-50k but there are some for 25-30k, so well) Mercedes C63 Amg: 40.000 euros (could only find the stationwagon ones, my fav to be honest) Porsche 996 911: 32-36.000 euros Toyota 4Runner: Could not find, only very old TD ones for 10-12.000 euros. So basically, impossible. Mx5's here goes for 12-15.000 euros, the NA AND THE NB TOO! Portugal is a stupid place to get a enthusiast car, only thing we can actually get are civics, great ones, but these will draw the attention of police (even if you dont do anything) because they are associated with street racing and modifications (wich are illegal but everyone does anyway)
I can't believe it's been over a month since teasing the S60R and it's still not reviewed after about a dozen other videos. Doug is just being evil at this point 😊
I just bought a 2010 E90 6spd for exactly $30k. 80k miles. Been stupid fun. Now, to waste $8k on rod bearings and a bunch of other maintenance stuff. Very happy with my purchase.
If you're looking for an AMG but trying to avoid the Doug Effect, maybe consider an 05-06 M-B C55 AMG (or any of the cars that use the non-supercharged M113 engine.) Not as flashy, fast, or loud as the C63 that replaced it, so kind of a sleeper. Pros: No head bolt/stud issues. The simple 5.4L NA V8 has No variable valve timing, no supercharger, and a tractor-like 3 valves per cyl. Engine common issues tend to be centered around oil leaks. One possible trans issue, the conductor plate. The cars are relatively rare, as only about 1,900 sedans were sold in North America. A Euro-spec wagon was available, of which I will be forever jealous. Size--they're about the size of a 2021 corolla, with a 362hp/376tq crammed into a ~3600lb compact sedan. Only 1 recall for some of the sunroofs, dealers are still inspecting/servicing for free. Trunk is a huge and great for bodies, golf clubs, etc. Cons: Older 5-speed automatic, not as slick as the newer stuff, but it does have paddle shifters. Dated early '00s front end style, which can be updated with a CLK grill conversion. "Basic" interior for a luxury car, and fairly tight back seat. If you can't DIY, it is still a Mercedes, so the dealer will rake you over the coals for basic maintenance. Even if you do DIY, fluids are expensive due to the volume---9L oil changes and 9-12L trans service. Even Doug liked it, so maybe the Doug Effect has already started? www.autotrader.com/car-news/mercedes-benz-c55-amg-forgotten-awesome-amg-c-class-281474979982007
Happy to see 3 of the 8 cars are American. Not surprised to see 3 of the 8 being European with a "fatal flaw" that could kill your engine. I will say that that BMW V10 has some of the best lines of any BMW ever made.
The BMW V10 is incredibly amazing but doesnt belong on this list,you could easily spend upwards of $50 k keeping the Bimmer on the road. I would by a used mustang and spend the rest in modifications.
Just ordered a 2022 gt 301a manual, white , black accent package with active exhaust. Always wanted one and I'm finally at a good place in my life to actually get one. This is my dream car that I've always wanted since I was a teenager. I'm 42.
Just bought a manual E60 M5 with 85k miles and she is a handful!! Definitely have to warm up the 10w 60 before hitting 8,000 rpm’s or you are going to be replacing pumps and bearings but it makes sense why people brand new just started the car and hit the gas that didn’t know. It’s a 500hp race car.
My 8 fun cars, which really cost under 30K: BMW M3 E46 or E92 Ford Focus RS Lotus Elise R111 Subaru WRX STI Hawkeye Mercedes CLS C257 Mitsubishi EVO VI T.M.E Porsche Cayman S Corvette C6
I bought a 5th gen, 2015 Camaro ZL1 a few months ago. It was a sick fuckin car, i paid $31k for it with 21k miles. I knew i had to sell it when i bought it, and sold it for almost $45k. Used the profits to buy a 1 series and track specc'd it out.
Bought a ‘17 mustang gt convertible with performance pack and manual transmission new back in 2017. Had it a year, only put 5000 miles on it. Just not a good daily driver with growing family, so traded it. It was the pearl white, a one year color. Needless to say, I wish I still had that car in the garage and would have just bought a cheap car for my daily. My daughter, who was 11 when I sold it, cried…even though she could barely fit in the back then because she was getting too tall. Lol. Glad to see Doug recognize it on this list…it was a great car.
Here’s my question that nobody is asking. What kind of mileage are we talking about here? You can get a Bentley for 30k if it’s got miles on it. I want to know how many miles Doug considers “get-able” vs “pass”
(Biased bc I have one but...) I would like to mention the 2nd gen Lexus is350. Naturally aspirated 306hp v6. Reportedly, 0-60 in 4.8s and some people have snuck into the high 12s for 1/4 (with mods of course). Come in rwd or awd. They are incredibly reliable, surprisingly sporty, and even low key if you like that. Price range varies but is yet to crack the $30k mark.
This video is right up my alley as im looking to buy a car any day/week ahead for about 30k. Was very close to going for the C63 but then i wasn't sure about the reliability, was also thinking about E92 M3 or a 335i but kinda same there with poor reliability. Then i was thinking of finding a Supra but thats not easy... Corvette C6 but they are just abit too expensive. Iv probably made my final decision now tho and that will be a Lexus IS-F. Had a LS400 before and never had an issue so i hope the IS-F will be the reliable C63 :)
Here’s the list: E46 m3 E46 zhp (which is stupid expensive but ppl pay that) E39 m5 Manual swapped e38 740i sport A butload of amg’s with the reliable 5.4 shc and 5 speed auto
Glad to see the C63 included, but any of the 2013-2015 550 Series with the M278 are basically all under $30,000 and have like 400hp and 450+lb/ft tq Kind of selective to leave those off the list.
I could buy whatever I want, just sold my hellcat. I went with a 95 Volvo 850 T5R. Bought for $2500, shipping was $800, repairs/maintenance is $3300, and doing a manual swap, tune, and some other things, about $9k in and its just an amazing car. I considered one of those S60R manual. If I wanted to spend under $20k I would probably go BMW 135i manual trans with tune, LSD, and single turbo conversion. For under $30k I think a C6 Z06 would be an awesome car to own.
Got my 2013 Audi S4 Prestige, 3.0l supercharged, DSG, Sport differential, drive assist for $18k w 94k miles. Stage 1 tune makes 430hp and these Audi 3.0l’s are notoriously reliable!
Doug "I can manipulate the market yet don't know what an equalizer is" DeMuro. AKA "Two Shirts." This man is a modern day walking contradiction, I hate loving him.
Sold my 21’ Model 3 to buy a 14’ 4Runner and don’t regret it one bit. Having fun modifying it and going to have it for many years to come without issues. Super reliable yet fun daily commute which will eventually become my off-roader when I pick up another tesla!
it's absolutely insane you can buy a V10 m5/M6 in the US for under $20k due to the proliferation of how unreliable they are when 90% never had engine issues outside VANOS . 99% if owner changes the oil often and warms the engine up. It's a goddamn V10 sedan that revs to over 8k God forbid u take 15 minutes to warm up and hit redline 😭
It's harder to find now a days, but a car to consider under $30k is the 2nd Gen Cadillac CTS-V. I picked up a 09 sedan in May for $27k. It has higher mileage but for a 550hp supercharged sedan With a 6 speed, it's a log of car for the money..
0:28 WOAH! Teal green with peanut butter interior?!?! I don't think I've ever seen that combination in a Volvo before! Can't wait for that review to drop!
I bought a 1997 Volkswagen Jetta Mk3 for $500 and it’s the most fun I’ve ever had trying to get a car to run.
As I just broke the bleeder valve on my mk4 Jetta lol , keep having fun bro
I could have bought fifty Volkswagens for $500k. You got scammed bro
@@macbook802 you cant. because there are less than 50k around
you had me in the first half ngl
Bwahaha!!! "they had us in the first half".
The problem is that as soon as doug makes these videos the prices go up 10k.
I hope so! Haha. I bought an E60 M5 for $25k 😆
Yep. I like Doug but the pull he has on the market… it’s like a thanos snap when these videos come out.
@@TheG60528XiJinPing Thanks! I actually bought it off Cars and Bids, haha. 2008 white car. De-modifying it and maintenance, and I’ll probably have $30k into it.
Doug helped make me 5k on my used Kia Stinger 😅
Good. Raise the bmw prices more
Starting to think Doug has a stock pile of 996 911s and he's just waiting and trying to push the values up on them so he can make a huge profit on them 🤣
Fr dude always plugging them lmao
Got an 04 C2 cab last year for $16k and I've been loving the heck out of it since.... while making money. WIN!!!
He does! They're just owned by other people and he's corralling them all onto Cars and Bids
I predicted the 996 rise back in 2018, picked up a nice mid-mileage 6spd .1 coupe for 17k, thank god I did
have a C4S i beat up such a blast to drive
Aaaaand none of them are 30k anymore, thanks dougie
Hehehehe goddamm car godfather manipulating the market again that's daddy doug lol
Inflation
@@tophan5146 dougflation
The S2000 has been more than $30k for a long time
@@sonicsabbath i can buy one for less than 30k right now lmao. Bone stock good condition. 60-70k miles.
Doug posts video: Best Fun Used Cars for 30k
After Doug video: Best Fun Used Cars that are now 50k
Never spent more than 3k on a used car and they were nice cars.
@@springwoodslasher79 who?
Doug has officially forgotten the passcode for his More Doug Demuro channel😂😂
@Томмуlnnit 🅥 Stop self promoting
pls remind him to change his own More's channel 😭😭
2/10 version of this joke
@@Firebolt1729 I reported him for a unwanted commercial.
@@Firebolt1729 then how would he grow, let the man hustle
1:40 BMW M5 E60 Manual - (In addition to the rod bearings and dual throttle motors: The vanos lines both inside and outside the engine blow, there are 4 vanos solenoids that are very expensive each, the vanos solenoid housings are even more expensive. You also have problems with the 2x ignition coil modules)
3:00 Dodge Challenger SRT8 - Manual option available that gets you an LSD option.
4:14 Dodge Ram SRT10 - Manual option available.
5:20 2015+ S550 Ford Mustang GT - Manual option available.
6:40 Honda S2000 - Manual transmission.
7:58 Mercedes C63 AMG W204 - No manual available. Headbolt designs rotted the heads of the bolts and lifted the heads and hydro locked the engine. Camshafts were also softer than the bucket lifters, so the cams would wear down. This was all fixed by AMG after 2011 by better bolts and cam materials.
9:45 Porsche 996 911
10:45 Toyota 4Runner 2010+ or 2014+ facelift
Sigma male
Thanks,because I'm definitely not wasting my time listening to him babble on.
so repair modifications do nothing to the m5 and c63? do they run reliably after or is it just a matter of time before those problems show up again because of fundamental flaws in the design of their engines themselves?
@@zee9276 Well with the M5, Its mainly luck. Just realize the repair bills are very high if things keep breaking after you’ve fixed one thing, then another, etc. I also highly suspect he only recommended the manual because the automatic version of this car had even more problems. It used a hydraulically actuated clutch to select gears, so an automatic with a clutch like Ferrari, Lamborghini and Maserati were doing at the time. Those solenoids and repairing that add to everything else which is huge, huge money.
You can do the rod bearings to start. But the M5 gets an indicator light on called the cog of death, if you get that it just means you have extensive repair bills coming. And the diagnostic system is so complicated you really need their software.
With the C63, they came out in 07, and you can repair them, but it’s just best to get a 2011+ because no one is going to spend the money of replacing the cams on a pre 2011. Each cam costs $1K and there are four of them. And yes if you replace them without updating the shims (another $1000) then they will just wear again. It’s a TON of labor too. I should emphasize the cams aren’t always worn, but if they are, you’re not going to have a good time. In fact, they’re likely to not be worn, but it’s not like the dealer or private seller is gunna let you pop the valve covers off to inspect. If they’re worn/flaking/chipped then you’ve bought a bomb shell.
@@damascus-ut1ee this is useful stuff! thank you so much for replying 👍👍
Doug must have been ran over by a corvette in his past life. Considering its a 400hp/400tq V8 2 seater, fiberglass, targa top and it's not on the list is pretty wild. Especially since you can get one for 20-25k.
My exact thoughts.
Agreed The c5 Z06 you can definitely get for under 30k. You can’t quite get a c6 Z06 under 30k yet but you can still get a C6 with an ls3 for under 30k which is a great car for the money.
@@adynroselli8560 remember when we used to be able to get c5z for under 20k? ;-;
he mentioned the c6 in his video about cars under 20k
I mentioned the C6 in my video of cars to buy for $20,000 or less. The problem is $30,000 is sort of a weird in-between area for Corvettes -- not enough to get a C7 or a C6 Z06, but enough that you can probably do a bit better than a C6.
1:40 E60 M5
3:00 Challenger SRT8 2009+
4:13 Ram SRT 10
5:20 Mustang GT 2015+
6:42 S2000……………………..duh
7:58 W204 AMG 2008+
9:45 Porsche 911 1999+
10:46 4Runner 2014+
Wow. Such a great list, Thanks
No problem
It's been a complete day after this video release, and THHHHEESE are the 8 best fun used cars for $31,866.
😂😂😂😂😂
Imagine having the disposable income to buy a USED vehicle for $30k, holy crow.
Man I hate being poor.
No shit brother......it SUCKS....!!!!!!!👎🐖🐷🐽
For real. I’m not poor….but I have 4 kids. So….. sigh, yes-poor.
Don't be poor, it's a choice:)
Don’t know why used is in there like new cars are any better of a financial choice lmao
@@barryjoslin432 If it means anything, I'll always admire the family man more than the billionaire
I only get money to have more kids, not for luxury, so you have what I want haha
It’s crazy the S2000’s are so much now. I remember when they were still new they just about couldn’t give them away.
I've never thought much of it but if it does what Doug says then I am not surprised. Plus Honda does make some very fun cars. (:
I wish I was born ten years earlier I could have bought a used one at a great price.
You know, before the pandemic hit, around Jan. 2020 or so, I saw them for about 13-15k even in dealerships. Literally the price of a used FRS BRZ
@@Bionimetic yes i bought mine for 16k years back, crazy how much they've increased.
you are old
I just bought my first car. It's a 2020 hyundai veloster 2.0 manual. Certified pre owned with manufacturers warranty got it for under 20k with just 6k miles. Very little power but the manual makes it fun. Plus crazy good gas mileage as that continues to go up
Doug should always tell viewers how much it costs to fix the "fatal flaws" on the cars he recommends buying.
Yeah e60 m5 is best as a static display
he did say the cost each time a fatal flaw repair was needed... in general, it should be common sense that a flaw that is fatal will cost a few grand to fix. He probably avoided saying any exact numbers because the exact cost will obviously fluctuate greatly depending on the who and where.
Doug calling out the 4Runner is going to make it harder for regular car reviews to buy their new 4Runner
Those Pennsylvania clowns are going to hate getting 14 MPG.
@@DoctorSkillz as a Pennsylvanian whose dad gets 12mpg, you're not wrong.
4Runner is good but no body ends up keeping them due to the gas mill age and slow unresponsive 5 speed automatic, reliable but very bulky and unresponsive to drive
I have a 05 sport with the hood scoops and wing 140k miles for sale
@@DoctorSkillz Texas teenager, I get 15
Doug: BMW E60 M5 that's had the reliability modifications done can be a good car
Car wizard: entered the chat
2022: Under $40k
2023: Under $50k
2024: Under $60k
The S2000 is a classic.
Brandon really did a number on this economy.
That’s inflation for ya
bought a 2015 BMW M235i for 28k n i love that thing so much. in terms of straight speed it’s the same as the m2 of its era (non competition). u can find higher mileage ones for like 22k, def amazing value for the price
How roomy is it for bigger guys? Asking for a friend ...
@@TRiley201 the room is pretty good in my opinion, no matter what size you are. I’ve had people in the backseat tell me it’s pretty roomy back there too, for a coupe of course
I remember when $30k and less got you a New car. Now sadly only used cars. I’m here for another shot of Dougs enthusiasm
I think we all should wait till the shortage ends.
Depends on what kind of new car, there's still plenty decent vehicles new for under 30k.
@@richardnavratil9661 I think with fun/sporty cars, $30k is nothing nowadays because of the chip shortage. Bought my 2019 Mustang GT at $29,000 sticker. NEW. Now, used versions of that car with 30-40k miles are priced at $35k
@@davidmitchell5638 Something tells me its never going to end, they can control production numbers and see that this situation is the most ideal for the greedy corporations
3:27
Doug:"a crappy V6"
Me: owning a 3 cylinder Dacia...
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 same here
Yeah but compare the weight of the two lol the ratio is probably pretty close
My 2008 E60 M5 has been my daily driver for 8 years now and it has been awesome. It's had a few of the common issues but has never been on a tow truck (minus one accident) and has been an incredible ride. Mine will be with me until I die, I will not ever be selling it.
Still going strong?
I love e60 m5 its just a great driver! I am scared everytime I drive it but when I get it home I'm like yaaaay!!!
Hahaha I know the feeling. Mine has left me stranded a couple times. Once I had just gotten it back from the shop for a misfire on one of the cylinders, I started it up, waited about 15 seconds, and then it started having a misfire caused by THE SAME ISSUE on a different cylinder. I swear owning an E60 is like the greatest toxic relationship you could be in.
@@fortunekookie789 That must be so frustrating because imagine blaming the mechanic 👩🔧 and he or she is like What the hell are you saying.
What's wrong with this car? Mind elaborating?
Cool, can you do a 2k or less next to match my maximum dream car budget?
Get a shitbox and tune it
Hhm...
A Bike?
AutoArt 1/18 scale.
I bought a Mercedes W124 And it's really fun as a first car. It was around 1750
Get into motorcycles. You can get a used naked/standard or used sportbike for like $2500-$3000 and have something that will go 0-60 in 3 seconds, the 1/4 in under 11 seconds and get 40mpg. After riding bikes my whole life I find most cars to be pretty slow and boring
For 30k I’d get a 2002 ws6 Trans Am. I know that’s nowhere near 30k but I love Trans Ams and own a 98 myself
If I got one of the LS 4th gens it would be the Trans AM....I am sorry but the facelifted Camaro is hideous. I own the pre-facelift Camaro since that is my favorite, but the post facelift Trans AM is a close second place in my eyes (but most would prefer the Trans AM I get it), I just love the sound of the LT1....even though it has less power and isn't quite as reliable.
C6 Corvette base or GS with a 6spd MT would be my choice. Very quick, reliable, easy to modify and they will hold their value.
I don’t think corvettes hold there value well at all. Especially base model cars. They just make to many of them. Only when they become classics and you hold on to them for like 40 years with lower mileage you might see a return on your investment. But I do agree you get a lot of performance for your money 💰.
Doug responded to this in another post. He said that _he thinks_ that $30k is a weird spot for corvettes. You can't get into a (nice)c6 zo6 or a c7 for $30k, and a base C6 is maybe too much at $30k.
5:00 Was just insane sounding to "put v-10 pick up engines in a 2-seater sportscar" is something I heard in many Viper reviews.
The only Scotty Kilmer approved cars on this list are:
1- 4Runner
2- S2000
3- Mustang GT
Daddy Doug here, No Kilmer
Only Volkswagen Golf MK2 is fun
People actually think Scotty Kilmer know what he's talking about? Oh Boy
One thing I would watch out for is the GTs with the MT82 transmissions. They’re horrible and are prone to break!
@@yungboicontigo9278 the MK2 isn't boring, it is more advanced than a Mustang
12 minutes of Doug acting like he hasn't seen the price of gas lately
Whoever is fan of "really fun cars" doesn't care about U$4 / U$1.05 regular gas, really....
(that's the going rate in San Diego the day this video was uploaded for US Gallons and Liters, respectively)
doug says "i love this car" like tim cook on stage says "we love the mac"
2015 mercedes c400 4matic great looking, biturbo 3.0L, awd, air suspension, beats or stays with everything listed, more realible and better put together. So good that 6 years later they are still building the same thing but call it a c43 amg
I was about to get one of those back in 2016 for $35k fully loaded used. It was funny to me when they started making the c43 with all the AMG badges even though they are basically the same with a little more power. For better or for worst (depending who you are haha) I ended up getting a Model 3 AWD
For the same money you could get an e550
C43 is quite different than a C400/450. There are some key differences and it’s not the same exact car. And honestly id still take a 204 over a 205 any day
Can't wait for the Volvo review
i literally just bought one. I had one back in college but couldn't afford the upkeep, now I can barely afford it and it is so worth it!
Thats exactly what I thought 🤣🤣
S60R is junk. Just buy a B5 S4. Both unreliable and heartbreaking. Just the Audi is a better driver.
@@Rhadiqul no
S60r let’s go
I see no Subarus made the list, not even the hawkeye STI. That was the right decision, Doug.
I bought a 2016 Scat Pack Challenger, almost all the options and a manual for 35k 6 months ago. The advantage to 2015 and newer is you get the upgraded interior, and the 392 is an absolute riot.
I said the exact same thing, also as a 16 scatty owner. The interior refresh is so much better than the cheap plastic and upholstery on those 11-12s
“Even in today’s market, $30,000 can buy you a fun car!”
*Thinks of prices from 2016* ….
*Instant Depression*
Back in 2007 we bought a brand new Honda Civic 2.2 i-nav for 19.000€.
Now the high spec full optional Civic costs more than 30k. 10 thousand euros more. Jesus!
I got a Saturn Sky Redline with all the goodies for 5k. Fun, rwd, limited slip differential, turbo, convertible.
Crazy how my brother had an S2000 for less than 10 grand like 5 years ago, and values shot up like crazy
I would have to say that a new Mazda MX5 is much more fun that all of those except maybe the S2000. Lightness = fun, especially on tight curves. The excellent gas mileage is an added bonus.
Yeah that depends on the geography were you live, here in most of the US everything is just highway hell and you can travel in straight line for miles and miles, so all the magic of the Miata is lost and heavy powerful boats like the Challenger make more sense.
@@remasher True, but historically the majority of the population lives and works near big cities, not in Montana. No one type of vehicle can be best at everything but after renting many types of vehicles like a McLaren 570S, Porsche 911 4S, Audis, Jaguar, etc, I am always happy to get back in my MX5. It defines fun in a way very few other cars can.
I own the 2014 C63, which was the last actual year for the naturally aspirated 6.2l. Fortunately, I didn’t have the head bolt issue or any other issues. I bought it new, I still own it, and I just went over 50k miles on it this year. Not bad for 8 years. I’ve actually not had to have anything done on this baby other than regularly scheduled maintenance. And some upgrades. I love this car and since it was the last year for those engines I don’t think I’ll ever get rid of it.
Doug never mentions the 2004-2006 GTO. I got mine this year with 27,000 miles for $16,500
That's what I'm looking to get my hands on right there!
Awesome car. I really want to review one!
RIP CNC motors. Great reviews came from that connection Doug had there.
Yea the whole scam thing shut them down.
@@CupwakeRBLX what happened?
@@Krezo200 according to quick google search, they sold cars without owners knowledge and kept the money to themselves
@@donttouchthewatch645 so that huge store is gone ?
@@intel2133 Yessir the building has been cleared out - I'm not sure what's happening to it now.
C6 Corvette? LS3 with a T56 unbeatable reliability and speed for the price.
Shhhhh. The last thing we need are C6 prices going through the roof. My neighbor has a late 80’s C4 in almost perfect condition with fairly low miles that she only paid $2500 for
@@RobertSmith-le8wp she's lucky can't get those for under 10k here.
A C6 isn't a $30k car. It's a $20k car, so it goes on that list, not this one.
@@herranton LS3 C6 is 30k all day long at dealers. LS2 C6s are 20k though
@@herranton they used to be not anymore lol
I would definitely recommend Fifth Gen Chevy Camaro SS you can find nice ones all day in the mid $20k
Yea but stick shift convertibles made in the first few years when they still had a real steering rack are hard to find at a good price....was just about to buy one then someone beat me to it. I said screw it, save some money and bought a low (for the age) mileage 96 Camaro Z28 convertible 6 speed and I am loving it. Feels so raw and connected......something modern cars lack.
The BMW F30 335xi is another great choice if you’re looking for a daily, especially with M Sport Package.
One bonus of buying an SRT-10 is that when it dies you can remove that gargantuan shift lever and do a fairly reasonable impression of walking around as Moses.
This is Doug D. Murrow.
Can’t wait for the review of that cool S60R!
Your thumbnails are pure gold makes the content even more enjoyable :)
(Also thank you Doug i appreciate the hearted comment :D)
Picked up an 02 c5 z06 corvette 4 months ago with 28k miles for 20k canadian. Absolutely love it, much more than my 16 mustang gt. Sure the interior is dated but it's such a fun car to drive.
I can’t wait for that flash green S60 R review
A good Delta Integrale 16V is still in the range of 25-35k. That would be my choice at least.
Where do you find those for 30k???? Tell me your secrets
@@callumdonington2227 autoscout24 .Mind you , I wrote Integrale 16V and NOT Evo. Still a really cool cars, and most race wins in Group A were made by the 8V and 16V Integrales.
Good taste Man ;)
I had an 86 HF 4WD in the 90ies. Yes it's fun, but drive the engine warm before using the turbo --and cool it down to an oil temperature below 100C before turning it off.
Then do all maintenance. Without exception.
And then nevertheless find yourself looking for cheap spare parts. I can't count how many times I was told "that's no normal car, it doesn't have normal prices for spare parts".
And this was 25 years ago. I don't want to imagine how it's now. But on the other hand, it really is fun to drive! 👌
@@babelhuber3449 Sure, that's the proper way to handle turbo engines, especially italian ones. The Fiat Twin Cam is pretty robust despite that.
There are a lot of specific parts, and a lot of generic parts. Stuff like engine components and brakes can be easily found from the Delta's cousins (Alfa 145/Fiat Tipo/Punto), however stuff like bumpers, fenders, lights can be hard to come by.
Min 3:17 yeah, you can facelift it yourself if you don’t like it, it’s the same chassis. New lights and bumpers and it’s a 2018 challenger
Unless it's an auto. Then you've got that archaic 5 speed, and the interior looks horribly dated compared to the 15+.
@@PacoRobbins Yeah, decided to go with a 19' R/T. The 8 speed coupled with Android auto were both a must for me.
Everytime doug does one of these I like to List the prices of the cars in my Country (Portugal)
M5 V10: 60.000 euros (some may go for 45-50, but they dont look really good)
Dodge Challenger SRT8: 60-80.000 euros (the diff in price is due to most of the ones we have here are special edition imports so, 80k + euro, but the "normal" ones can be seen for 71k)
RAM SRT-10: 50.000 euros
Mustang GT: 80.000 euros (the 2.3 ecoboost ones can go for 45-50k)
Honda S2000: 25-50.000 euros (this one is very weird because there are a lot for sale for 40-50k but there are some for 25-30k, so well)
Mercedes C63 Amg: 40.000 euros (could only find the stationwagon ones, my fav to be honest)
Porsche 996 911: 32-36.000 euros
Toyota 4Runner: Could not find, only very old TD ones for 10-12.000 euros.
So basically, impossible.
Mx5's here goes for 12-15.000 euros, the NA AND THE NB TOO!
Portugal is a stupid place to get a enthusiast car, only thing we can actually get are civics, great ones, but these will draw the attention of police (even if you dont do anything) because they are associated with street racing and modifications (wich are illegal but everyone does anyway)
Venha pro Brasil, aí você vai aprender o que é sofrer...
The only thing Portugal has going for it are drugs, if I was you I would move if possible.
Yo the S60r let’s go I’m looking forward to the review
I had a manual 06 and it's still the most fun car I've owned. If Doug trashes it I'm gonna be so hurt. "Acceleration is a 2/10".
@@Bpeitz I got an 04 S60R with an M66 trans. It’s quite a fun car. But my haldex is busted.
I can't believe it's been over a month since teasing the S60R and it's still not reviewed after about a dozen other videos. Doug is just being evil at this point 😊
I just bought a 2010 E90 6spd for exactly $30k. 80k miles. Been stupid fun. Now, to waste $8k on rod bearings and a bunch of other maintenance stuff. Very happy with my purchase.
Thank you for not mentioning the 6 gen Camaro! Keep em affordable. Best American chassis by a longshot not counting the vette
It’s just fugly that’s all.
If you're looking for an AMG but trying to avoid the Doug Effect, maybe consider an 05-06 M-B C55 AMG (or any of the cars that use the non-supercharged M113 engine.) Not as flashy, fast, or loud as the C63 that replaced it, so kind of a sleeper.
Pros: No head bolt/stud issues. The simple 5.4L NA V8 has No variable valve timing, no supercharger, and a tractor-like 3 valves per cyl. Engine common issues tend to be centered around oil leaks. One possible trans issue, the conductor plate. The cars are relatively rare, as only about 1,900 sedans were sold in North America. A Euro-spec wagon was available, of which I will be forever jealous. Size--they're about the size of a 2021 corolla, with a 362hp/376tq crammed into a ~3600lb compact sedan. Only 1 recall for some of the sunroofs, dealers are still inspecting/servicing for free. Trunk is a huge and great for bodies, golf clubs, etc.
Cons: Older 5-speed automatic, not as slick as the newer stuff, but it does have paddle shifters. Dated early '00s front end style, which can be updated with a CLK grill conversion. "Basic" interior for a luxury car, and fairly tight back seat. If you can't DIY, it is still a Mercedes, so the dealer will rake you over the coals for basic maintenance. Even if you do DIY, fluids are expensive due to the volume---9L oil changes and 9-12L trans service.
Even Doug liked it, so maybe the Doug Effect has already started? www.autotrader.com/car-news/mercedes-benz-c55-amg-forgotten-awesome-amg-c-class-281474979982007
Happy to see 3 of the 8 cars are American. Not surprised to see 3 of the 8 being European with a "fatal flaw" that could kill your engine. I will say that that BMW V10 has some of the best lines of any BMW ever made.
The BMW V10 is incredibly amazing but doesnt belong on this list,you could easily spend upwards of $50 k keeping the Bimmer on the road.
I would by a used mustang and spend the rest in modifications.
Just ordered a 2022 gt 301a manual, white , black accent package with active exhaust. Always wanted one and I'm finally at a good place in my life to actually get one. This is my dream car that I've always wanted since I was a teenager. I'm 42.
If you have 30k for an M5, make sure you have another 15k in a separate account for repairs.
Ever met Hoovie?!? That M5 was a money pit!
Yep,if u buy a crappy one driven by a 18 year old..
I got my 2016 VW Golf R for 26,800. It had 38k miles on it and it's by far the most fun I've had in any car I've owned.
Bruh, any M car with the S85 is gonna be a weekend car at best. 9 liter oil changes every 1200 miles?
Yeah no thanks.
Just bought a manual E60 M5 with 85k miles and she is a handful!! Definitely have to warm up the 10w 60 before hitting 8,000 rpm’s or you are going to be replacing pumps and bearings but it makes sense why people brand new just started the car and hit the gas that didn’t know. It’s a 500hp race car.
Would pick challenger SRT, M5 is a recipe for bankruptcy
Not sweating Doug is back, great!
I'm 30k into a 2014 s5 dual pulley, 50k miles on it. Dyno tested to 460awhp. Fun as fuck, reliable so far.
Bmw m240i. Huge power potential especially for the size. Transmission is either manual or zf8 and it handles fantastic
S60R review coming soon? Very nice!
My 8 fun cars, which really cost under 30K:
BMW M3 E46 or E92
Ford Focus RS
Lotus Elise R111
Subaru WRX STI Hawkeye
Mercedes CLS C257
Mitsubishi EVO VI T.M.E
Porsche Cayman S
Corvette C6
thats a better list but doug being eccentic , his list makes sense
This list is great, but it definitely overlooked the Z06 you can get at $30k.
I bought a 5th gen, 2015 Camaro ZL1 a few months ago. It was a sick fuckin car, i paid $31k for it with 21k miles. I knew i had to sell it when i bought it, and sold it for almost $45k. Used the profits to buy a 1 series and track specc'd it out.
Idk if you mean c5s but c6s have now inflated past the 30k range. Still would have a c6z06 than any of these mentioned
@@peytonponder8488 even the C5 Z06 would be my pick over anything on the list, but the C6 Z06 would definitely be my first choice too.
Bought a ‘17 mustang gt convertible with performance pack and manual transmission new back in 2017. Had it a year, only put 5000 miles on it. Just not a good daily driver with growing family, so traded it. It was the pearl white, a one year color. Needless to say, I wish I still had that car in the garage and would have just bought a cheap car for my daily. My daughter, who was 11 when I sold it, cried…even though she could barely fit in the back then because she was getting too tall. Lol. Glad to see Doug recognize it on this list…it was a great car.
Here’s my question that nobody is asking. What kind of mileage are we talking about here? You can get a Bentley for 30k if it’s got miles on it. I want to know how many miles Doug considers “get-able” vs “pass”
Each car in this video would be a normal example for $30K or less. No crazy high mileage/bad title situations.
Srt4, cobalt SS TC, Mazdaspeed 3/6, focus ST, Fiesta ST, the list goes on and on and on.
1:32 sports sedans, sports cars, SUVs, drugs
You can get a really nice BMW M235i coupe for 30k or less. 2017-18 M240i is just a few grand over.
Doug loves his cars so much that he will stare at their quirks and features
(Biased bc I have one but...) I would like to mention the 2nd gen Lexus is350. Naturally aspirated 306hp v6. Reportedly, 0-60 in 4.8s and some people have snuck into the high 12s for 1/4 (with mods of course). Come in rwd or awd. They are incredibly reliable, surprisingly sporty, and even low key if you like that. Price range varies but is yet to crack the $30k mark.
4runner is always the best offroad since it came out.
This video is right up my alley as im looking to buy a car any day/week ahead for about 30k. Was very close to going for the C63 but then i wasn't sure about the reliability, was also thinking about E92 M3 or a 335i but kinda same there with poor reliability. Then i was thinking of finding a Supra but thats not easy... Corvette C6 but they are just abit too expensive. Iv probably made my final decision now tho and that will be a Lexus IS-F. Had a LS400 before and never had an issue so i hope the IS-F will be the reliable C63 :)
Here’s the list:
E46 m3
E46 zhp (which is stupid expensive but ppl pay that)
E39 m5
Manual swapped e38 740i sport
A butload of amg’s with the reliable 5.4 shc and 5 speed auto
Something tells me you like bmws
@7:13
S2000 License Plate:
"RENTME"
LOL
good luck finding an s2000 with less than 140k haha
Lmao that’s nothing for a Honda
Mine's got 75k cupcake, don't assume too damn much....peace..☝
The dealership I work for has one for sale with about 80k miles...can't get rid of it.
There are 8 of them with around 30k miles on them for under $30k dollars on Autotrader right now.
And 81 with under 100k miles.
Ive owned over 30 vehicles and most have been different sports cars ...my 1991 miata 100% takes the cake
Oh man is that an S60r I’ve always wanted one 😍😍😍😍
YESSSSS S60r REVIEW INCOMING
Glad to see the C63 included, but any of the 2013-2015 550 Series with the M278 are basically all under $30,000 and have like 400hp and 450+lb/ft tq
Kind of selective to leave those off the list.
I could buy whatever I want, just sold my hellcat. I went with a 95 Volvo 850 T5R. Bought for $2500, shipping was $800, repairs/maintenance is $3300, and doing a manual swap, tune, and some other things, about $9k in and its just an amazing car. I considered one of those S60R manual. If I wanted to spend under $20k I would probably go BMW 135i manual trans with tune, LSD, and single turbo conversion. For under $30k I think a C6 Z06 would be an awesome car to own.
Wut?
The 4runner is something that I couldn't see myself in until today 💯
Because daddy doug said so? Think for yourself lil homie caude thats gay af
Yeah, it's hard to decide what you like all on your own. It's easier to let Doug decide what you like.
Got my 2013 Audi S4 Prestige, 3.0l supercharged, DSG, Sport differential, drive assist for $18k w 94k miles. Stage 1 tune makes 430hp and these Audi 3.0l’s are notoriously reliable!
IsF is still a bargain...super reliable, bad ass na V8.... They will go up sooner for later
Just bought a 07 Infiniti g35x off market place for 3500 🤌🏽😎 big 350z reliability and fun
Doug "I can manipulate the market yet don't know what an equalizer is" DeMuro. AKA "Two Shirts." This man is a modern day walking contradiction, I hate loving him.
This is the most accurate and most relatable comment i've read under any Doug video in a long while.
Check out the GX460 vs the 4runner. Super capable and a big step up with the V8 and great interior with 3rd row seating.
Doug, you are very knowledgeable and entertaining; however, whenever you review a vehicle, its price escalates.
No it doesn't.
Sold my 21’ Model 3 to buy a 14’ 4Runner and don’t regret it one bit. Having fun modifying it and going to have it for many years to come without issues. Super reliable yet fun daily commute which will eventually become my off-roader when I pick up another tesla!
Laughs in Hoovie. 🤣😂🤣😂
Yay! My w204 C63 made the list. Thanks Doug!
it's absolutely insane you can buy a V10 m5/M6 in the US for under $20k due to the proliferation of how unreliable they are when 90% never had engine issues outside VANOS . 99% if owner changes the oil often and warms the engine up.
It's a goddamn V10 sedan that revs to over 8k God forbid u take 15 minutes to warm up and hit redline 😭
You have one?
It's harder to find now a days, but a car to consider under $30k is the 2nd Gen Cadillac CTS-V. I picked up a 09 sedan in May for $27k. It has higher mileage but for a 550hp supercharged sedan With a 6 speed, it's a log of car for the money..
Doug needs to talk about mercedes having too many AMG cars.
@@yungboicontigo9278 i agree but the amg r class is cool tho lol
@@2AMinLosAngeles yeah R63 is cool
0:28
WOAH! Teal green with peanut butter interior?!?!
I don't think I've ever seen that combination in a Volvo before! Can't wait for that review to drop!