A few points about native arrows.
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
- Puns aside. This video is a brief and general overview of several types of arrow that were used by various first nations peoples.
I'm not happy with this video, or my arrows. But what have you.
Ive just been watching you on autoplay and loving every single video.
The copper arrow looking like antler is rather simple seeming to me: One, less material to possibly lose and use, Two, they probably would use metal arrowheads for the same purpose as antler arrowheads, to go through armor, so why change the design?
2:29 what a second, Bodkins! There bodkins like the antler ones. I wonder what that could mean...
Yes, they are similar to bodkins. I think this is for durability and ease of manufacture rather than anything else.
Has there ever been evidence of baked clay arrowheads? I imagine it wouldnt be the best, but I am curious how they would compare.
As far as I'm aware there is no evidence.
While it is possible to make a decent arrowhead from modern ceramics, historical kilns do not get hot enough to vitrify the clay to the same extent as modern ones.
@@MalcolmPL Leaving raw clay on the sun not enough? Then sharpen it a little with rocks. I mean, it’s probably more useful than naked wood? And more accessible than, say… Antlers. Yet, nobody ever says people were using clay arrows. Are they so bad? Not worth the effort?
@@jerrygreenest Probably.
@@jerrygreenest native clay is too brittle. Often tempered with sand or gravel and then heated to only several hundred degrees and not the thousand plus for a strong ceramic. Find plenty of projectile points but not many from pottery
@@seanbeadles7421 some find projectile points from pottery too, you say? I mean yes they probably of poor quality due to lack of ceramic technology back then. But I thought SOME people SOMETIMES could still probably have used them, due to high accessibility of pottery in some areas, compared to metal, or even bones probably? I just never heard that someone ever found arrowheads from pottery. Is this a thing at all? I wanted to know if they weren't used at all, or maybe if they were used sometimes, just not popular, or maybe if they were actually widespread but were poorly saved in the ground, so most of them dissolved within centuries, hence too few people ever talk about pottery arrowheads... Kind of like, «survivorship bias». I find this question interesting.
Thank you I am using your videos for inspiration and entertainment!
Very informative! Thank you Malcolm.
Good.
Excellent
if i am not mistaken many eastern coastal tribes used bull shark teeth and Gare scales. also two questions, one what types of poisons were used, and have you ever thought about making a tradition Indian fur trade knife blades
I had heard about shark teeth being used, but not gar scales.
As to poisons, down in the amazon they used dart frogs, but I have no idea what people might have used in north america. I know of a few poisonous plants, but none I can think of that would do the job with such a small dose.
As to trade knives, I've made a number of hunting/skinning knives, but never one after a historical pattern.
@@MalcolmPL the kind i am talking about is the j russell &co green river woeks knife blade that were often traded to the tribes of the saint Lowrence river vally.
Is water hemlock not potent enough?
@@forestgiest1380 I imagine it would all depend on how it was prepared.
The writings of William Clark describe a poison used by the peoples of the Columbia plateau. It was made from pulverized ants and animal spleen which was then allowed to rot for a few days before being baked onto the arrowheads.
Thank you for the knowledge about the wedged Knox brother. How do you think they would work with the reed based arrows with a hardwood forshaft from the southwest
I don’t have a frame of reference, the reeds in my neck of the woods are too flimsy for arrows.
That was interesting. Have you tried sinew as a binding which works very well and makes a strong clean finish and very easy to apply. Not sure of the material you used, looks a bit like artificial sinew ? Or maybe plant fiber..
Yeah, fake sinew.
Is there any history of arrows being used on fish? Particulary with a line and a bobber?
i make my own bows and i love it, but i cant get behind making my own arrows because i cant get consistant spine weight! its probably because ive been using bamboo as shaft material
I use scrap cedar from my workshop, ripping it into quarter inch bits and shaving it round.
I find bamboo is a pain to work.
Also don’t worry too much about getting things perfect according to someone else’s rules. Finish the piece, try it out and see if it works before condemning the piece as a failure. Internet archery forums contain some of the most ocd people out there.
@@MalcolmPL youve got that right. i wont give up!
I use shoots, split out bow wood that's too short for a bow, reeds, whatever I can find. After I have alot of material say shoots, I straighten and let dry then remove bark.straighten tie in bundle and let dry some more. I then look over shafts and straighten over heat.i.e. afire. Then I cut shaft according to kinks, bad spots, ect making sure I have whatever length I need.next I bend them in my hands slightly.trying to get ones that bend about the same in piles together. Next I nock them and shoot them at about 10 feet. See if they fly straight. If so I then fletch them and ad points.i shoot them at 10 yards.see how they fly. Not trying to be accurate here just seeing if they fly good. If so I ballance them on my finger mark where they are balanced. Put all like ones together.thats a set.at up to 30 yards they will all fly very closely to one another.thats how I do it. But I dont shoot like a europian shooting a europian long bow.whilst using a shorter N.A.style of bow.
If you can find wild rose, you've got one of the best arrow wood out there, and it's already a shaft you just need to size it down and heat straightened.
Video kinda makes me see arrows almost like an investment that was made, you traded your time to create it with the hope you can not only retrieve it once fired but then get a return through game.
Bottle bottoms, broken shards of porcelain, tile, all work as well. Even a broken toilet. As for metal points copper and brass are nice with using minimal tools. But saws all blades rule if you have a grinder or a slab of sand stone and a hacksaw. Clay is just too brittle after firing.Oops this was for 1 Forge....
It's an easy enough thing to fix, as things stand he's not going to see this response.
Hi Malcom, from your research was there any use of "slings" among first nations ? Its seems a fairly common and effective weapon used by many peoples around the world..was just curious if there is any evidence on its use in NA?
In some regions like the southern plains it’s well documented. In this region there is nothing to suggest their use.
@@MalcolmPL thanks Malcolm.
There's a book called "Slings and Slingstones: The Forgotten Weapons of Oceania and the Americas" by Robert and Gigi York that has a section dedicated to the Americas. On page 109, the book states slings as being used primarily in places like Alabama, used against Spanish expeditions, but does list other places like the Carolinas (in regards to the east coast. As Malcolm mentioned they were more of a south western weapon. The inuit also made use of it.)
On page 132 there is an image of a Seneca sling from New York currently in the Field Museum, Chicago Illinois. It's a black and white photo but it looks like a braided bast fiber sling with a solid pouch and small tassle on the release cord.
The York's also use pieces of ethnographic accounts including one from Cabeza de Vaca's expedition that stated they were attacked by "Indians hurling stones with slings" in Pensacola, Florida.
Some strange objects suggested to be sling projectiles were found at the Poverty Point Conplex, but there isn't much else about the sling east of the Mississippi.
Hope this helps!
@@newenglandknapper6261 Thanks for that! Really fascinating..its interesting to see what technologies are used by differing peoples around the world. The sling always seemed such a simple and effective weapon that it surprises me that all people didn't use them..though i suppose once you have a bow..the sling has less utility.
@Hanz Gooblemienhoffen No problem, Hanz! I totally agree the sling is a highly underrated weapon, but I believe it's limited range is more due to other factors like the motion it has making a hunter more obvious to prey, and it's need for clear space, something thick forests don't lend well to. However, I do believe they are great for two situations: long range shots on waterfowl, and on game in trees. On the flip side, traps are more effective for such small game as squirrels, and I'd imagine taking such long shots on fowl are not ideal and probably not used if it isn't necessary.
Based on their prevalent use in the Pacific and in areas with wood that is either insufficient or difficult to work, the sling seems to have been the best choice for those people. But in others that have good wood and less stone, rabbit sticks and throwing clubs seem to take their niche as small game takers. The Rappahancock, Choctaw, and Deleware peoples used throwing clubs, but it's unknown if they used the sling. Perhaps it's more personal preference for a people's lifestyle in their specific environment (clubs for short range in dense brush, slings for the opposite).
I have no evidence and this is just speculation but i would be willing to bet they affixed copper arrow heads like the antler ones because it would require less copper.
Make a test using nockless arrows.
I don't see any reason to. In my limited experience with them they shoot fine, they just take more dexterity to get a good release.
True, I use very underpowered bows. None of which could take down medium or large prey. A nocks better suited for more powerful bows.
What about the, "odd arrows," Like; small game, fishing, bird points, target/ practice arrows. whistling arrows? Maybe, I don't know. I would really like to learn more about these less-spoken-of styles. Don't get me wrong I love all archery and everything to do with the art. Great videos, keep up the good work.
Of course there are plenty of unusual designs but this video is not intended to be comprehensive, it's just a quick look at what my armor might have had to deal with.
For birds, small game, or even fish, you don't really need much of a cutting head. Just getting hit by the arrow does enough trauma, or incapacitates the animal enough for it to be easily retrieved by the hunter. Native peoples knew this. Why waste time and effort making sharp stone points for all your arrows when they were only needed for certain animals?
Probably not twine but seinue
I suppose I should have said "thread" rather than twine, but it's not worth being pedantic about.
No but it is for being factual and not assuming anything
Oh come on. No one is going to see this and assume that arrows are made with garden twine. Out of the two and a half thousand people who watched this you’re the only one who had an issue with that particular slip of the tongue, and even then you had the wherewithal to know that I meant to say sinew.
Besides which, if we want to play the pedantry game, I could ask what is “seinue?” I google it and all that comes up is Seinfeld. You should focus on being factually accurate so as to not lead people to false assumptions, as I don’t really see how Seinfeld is relevant to this discussion.
@@MalcolmPLseinue is the ligament of an animal that holds the muscle to the Bone and Google doesn't necessarily know everything
Sinew is ligament. Seinue is nothing.