Making Plains Indian Metal Trade Arrowheads, Iron Trade Points (HD)
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- Опубликовано: 9 апр 2020
- primitivepathways.com Learn how to make metal arrowheads exactly like those used by the Plains Indians during the 1800's. These iron trade points were made by blacksmiths and were traded to many Native American tribes during the mid to late 1800's. These iron arrowheads were used for hunting buffalo and defending their tribes from enemies.
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Loved the video. I’d be less worried about the respirator when cutting and more worried about the guard less angle grinder an inch from your foot.
Yeah dude wouldve been funny if he made a joke about it ay
Winced when I saw that
I had to take the guard off because that cutting wheel was so big it wouldn't fit.
If you were truly a stickler for safety, you would do these things. Grip the piece with pliers not your hand. Wear gloves anyway. Put the tool rest back on the bench grinder. Use it. Mount it on a pedestal or bench so you're working at a proper height. You have 2 hands with 5 fingers on each. Do you want to have 2 old hands with 5 fingers on each? Protect them.
Hey at least he wasn’t bear foot.
"I'm a stickler for safety". Uses 8 inch cutting wheel with no guard and cuts towards his toes
Yeah that's true. But at least I was wearing glasses and ear muffs! Hahaha
Oh my! I was just thinking the same thing... That's probably the best way to lose some toes 😳😂
Thanks for sharing, amazing tutorial on how to make Native Indian Plains Arrow Heads; also liked the true and authentic background history and pics, showing the power of these deadly arrow heads used by the Native Indian Warriors
That was awesom Billy, Can't wait for mine!!!
Another great video! Really like the repurposing of the old saw blades. Well done. 👍🏻
Awesome looking point thanks for the inspiration
Great video again Billy! Love it! ✌🏼
Thank you!
Awesome video Billy!
Interesting, I have heard the later arrowheads with a lot of tribes were metal but I never knew much about them. Thanks for posting!
First!!
Primitive pathways, pin his comment, he was first! ;-)
Did you get the image I sent you of the back bone that has the point stuck in it? Mr Gill had a few photos of his own verifying that it's every bit possible to Pierce heavy bone with stone. What do you think?
Love this channel.
Thanks so much!! I'll be adding more content soon...just haven't had much time lately with my busy life. But I'm gonna try to change that!
Awesome vid thanks! 🤠
love the passion at the end 😜
I met this guy once at a wma just north of Canton Georgia about ten years ago. He was hunting with his primitive bow while filming also. I recognized him from his articles in traditional bowhunter magazine. He was a pleasure to talk to while he showed me his handmade archery gear.
I still hunt up there!
Wickedly Awesome
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really nice
I have seen modern heads like this that are only sharpened on one side with no apex. Just a thought. You can dunk the points in hot vinegar and get the same finish.
I like this guy.
Can you do a bow and arrow recreation from NewEngland, specially New Hampshire? It would be so greatly appreciated and helpful.
Awesome video! I've also heard of them being cut from Barrel hoops. You might also look into one of those cheap 1x30" Harbor Freight belt Sanders. I think they're less than 50 bucks and you might find it gives you better control and a smoother finish than the grinder.
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would love to see more vids and navajo weaponry im a native trying to learn to make authenic weapons of my ancestors
I made eight trade points a few years ago from an old circular saw blade. I cut the head blank with a thin metal cutting blade in my angle grinder. Then cut the tang with the angle grinder chucked in my bench vise and the point clamped in a visegrip. Worked great. I found using a bench grinder for shaping the bevels was WAY easier with the point mounted on a shaft. One your fingers don't get burned and secondly you have a whole lot more control. A propane torch turns the steel blue black. Just saying. Liked your vid and your articles in TB mag..
Hey Billy, have you ever tried copper, brass, aluminum, or any other metals as points? I think it would be cool to see a video on that as well. Anyways great channel, I’m new and you have awesome content.
very educational, next you should make a series of videos of you making different styles of bows, mainly plains bows or short hunting bows.
your first series on bow making was the impetus for me learning to make bows and falling in love with the craft, and i just want to say thanks for getting me hooked on this crap, now i can't look at any piece of wood without thinking of ways to turn it into a bow.
Hahaha...now you know how I feel! So glad I was an inspiration for your bow making. I plan on releasing more videos soon!
Amazing video buddy really enjoyed it hope to see more primitive video keep up the good work
Thanks! I plan on making more soon, now that I've got more free time thanks to the worldwide coronavirus shutdown.
Heck ya cant wait to watch them
Billy,
Do a video making a Plains Indian bow and arrows, start to finish. I would really be interested to see the kind of bow and arrows that Sioux or Shoshone tribes made.
Wayne
Nice video, just one suggestion- heating steel to yellow-hot softens it, so heating your starting material would make your work a lot easier
Hey Billy you should do more archry stuff really like you video on archry
Wait a minute safety glasses respirator , and ear protection , but look at what your doing cutting on that saw blade with a grinder next to your toes/feet with no steel toed boots ( if ) you're going to do it that way... Should've been in a vice or clamped to a work bench to be the safest way , but not trying to call you out but that doesn't look safe just after you were talking about it... Sorry , I came here to learn something that you have knowledge of... Thank you for posting this it's another good idea on making arrow points PEACE
Going on the to-do list Billy, THANKS!!! Be careful with where that cut-off wheel is aimed! I got hit in the side once at work by one that let loose by a co-worker at @ 20ft away, had t-shirt & work shirt on, still broke the skin @2", and left bruise. Guessin' you'd hate like hell to get hit in the Ding, Ding, at that range!😲😣😥😢😢😢😭😨. Definitely a cool project!!! :>)> THANKS!!!
Some original trade heads were fluted. You could do that with the Dremel using the cutting wheel at 90 degrees.
Pretty sure that saw blade is high carbon steel had been hardened and tempered by the manufacturer when they built the blade. When you got it red hot you annealed it and now it won't hold an edge and will bend real easy. This blade would be more for show than for actual use. An example of this would be like overheating a tempered fish hook and turning it in to something with the strength of a paperclip.
orignals were made of wought iron most of them so they weren't tempered
I always used old circular saw blade's and cut out about 10 points from each blade instead of throwing them away! The old blades are made of good steel! Then clean them up on a grinder. This type of steel can be blued like a gun , with a gun steel bluing kit .fire harded tips on the arrows and use pine sap heated up as a natural glue, and all right wing feathers or left wing 🪽 feathers to make your arrows spin right or spin left .
Sick video dude, you should do a video where you shoot these into ballistics gel.
He has one of him shooting it at a recently killed deer to compare with stone points
Where this museum at?
Love the video. I’m curious because you never showed but do you quench the point after heating it up? If not and you’re heating it up and letting it air cool you’re annealing the steel and making it soft. You might consider annealing it, getting your main grinding done, then bringing the metal back to critical temperature (about cherry red) then quenching in oil. At this time the point will be very hard. You’ll want to temper the point so I’d stick it in the oven at about 450 degrees for an hour. Let it cool and then you’ll have a properly hardened and tempered point which will retain it’s edge longer than only annealing it. Just a suggestion assuming you don’t do all that already.
Thank you! I was shouting at my screen "You just made the steel soft!" 😂
It’s kind of funny, yesterday I found my copy of primitive instinct and got excited and watched it and was wondering when billy would start uploading more primitive archery stuff
I have some epic hunting videos I've been working on for my next DVD. Jsut wait till you see them!
@@primitivepathways you have no idea how happy it made me to see this comment. Billy I’ve loved watching your videos for years, like a decade I think you’ve been uploading. I have your other dvd.. your the one who made ME get into primitive archery.. CANT WAIT to see em!!
Can anyone tell me the title of the background music?
Whiskey barrel hoops work great
If my historical data is accurate, the Slapahoes and Smackahoes also utilized those type arrow tips.
Jokes aside, I had heard that the Native American bows were in the 45# range. Bison were dispatched but due to multiple hits from hunting parties. Lethal? Yes, but punching through a bison? IMHO, not likely. But I could have been misinformed.
Regardless this was a great vid. It encourages me to make use of that saw blade in my garage. Like # 330.
Nope, I own many replicas in terms of thickness and length of museum bows.
Only 1 out of 10 weighs 47lbs at 21" draw the rest are 60-70lbs range. 4 are osage comanche style bows, 6 are sinew backed northern plains style bows. The sinew can add alot of draw and power too
But how did the make the metal tips with crude tools. I understand that they took a cannon and made tips and tools out of it
Very cool idea, going to do this asap. Two things: you outta use a VISE for safety, and by heating the metal you took the temper out. Saw steel was plenty hard as is! Anyway thnx for the idea.
Thanks for the tips!
Why is it important to blacken? Can I do this without heating
Do you sell your arrowheads?
They did a job on the cavalryman. Wonder if they took his uniform off first or sewed it up later.
were native americans using steel back then? also i used a blow torch but coulnt blacken it
Stickler for safety, puts on goggles,ear protection and respirator, then proceeded to use anglegrinder right against normal running shoes and wearing only shorts.😂🤣 after that he grinds the piece without safety gloves 🤣😂
I've done similar things as that- prioritizing my face over my hands in terms of safety, many times. Not brilliant, but that's it.
I'm pretty sure the angle grinder thing was a joke, and you should never use gloves near spinning machinery
Morten O'saurus that’s what I was thinking too
@@Nerales_ tight fitting gloves are not an issue it's only loose fitting cotton gloves or oversized leather ones that are the issue. A good fitting leather pair just add another layer of safety without the risk of catching.
I came to the comment section to find this kind of comment. Ahahaha you did not disappoint. lmfao.
Question can a sawall blade be used for like a small game arrow head
Yes any kind of tool steel will work for arrow points. And they can be used for big game too, provided they're sharp and you put that arrow in the right spot.
No steel toes?
My god Billy! You scared the shit out of me in this video. I was just waiting for some metal shards or body parts to fling off at the camera. 😂
Hahaha...me too!!
"They would punch through a 2,000 pound bison and lunch the dirt on the other side."
Guys, where did you hear that?
I mean he has a video of him testing these heads against stone heads on a dear and with his 50 pound 30 inch draw hunting bow these heads went to the freaking stabilizing feathers on that thing imagine what the Indians in the great Plains using at least 65 pound draw bows could do with the same arrows admittedly they might not go in and out of a buffalo and stick in the dirt however we don't know exactly if that's true this was in the 1800s pretty much 200 years ago during a time where the only way for Indians to live is to hunt large game such as buffalos i can imagine Indians of the 1800s of all people would be the best bow hunters around simply because they really couldn't have easy access to any firearms until like they had in like the 1870s and future years simply because they saw bows were far more accurate than the muskets the military were using so they would have had powerful bows that could have very well done that but we do not know fully cause it happened 200 years ago
Don't forget to mention Indians used to also fashion these themselves from scavenged iron and brass especially off wagons. Barrel/keg bands and kettle brass were very popular materials. One report of a soldier shot with an iron point made out of a frying pan handle.
Wow! That’s quite interesting especially brass.When they used metal points, did they just sharpen them on an abrasive rock or do you think they used files? It’s weird to imagine a brave using a file for some reason.
@@cameronpain1422right, they used stones and files for sharpening. They did acquire iron tools whether it be through trading or looting. They even used glass from telegraph insulators and bottles for projectile points.
Did you ever try heat treatment and tempering on an arrow head. It would greatly improve the quality and longevity of the edge.
I figured the same thing, but hrafn may have a point. Only the tips of the blades are actually sharp. Im not sure if the entire blade has been tempered etc. The mild steel allows it to be flexible so it doesnt snap under such RPMs and cutting w/e. Youll just have a blade that wont stay sharp for long and can dull pretty easy, but a file will help. Youll just run through blades pretty quick if you use them a lot though.
most of the originals where made of wought iron so the were not tempered
The saw blades will pretty well hold their temper as is if left alone. But a good treatment would be to fire them red hot to yellowish then quench in oil to harden. Then fire again watching the colors. As it turns bluish purple to a brownish straw color, quench again. What you'll have is a hardness a little less than spring steel about knife hardness.
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He's a stickler for safety, as he runs the side cutter at the toe of his sneaker in shorts bwahahaha
Such a dad 🤓
Still cool video though
if you really want to step up your arrow heads buy some 1095 and then heat treat (quench at cherry red heat in oil of your choice) and temper (400F in a toaster oven should work fine but could go a little higher if you are worried about them braking on a missed hit) them. they will hold their shape better and retain the edge you put on them for longer. just be sure not to over heat them after your heat treatment cycles or you will ruin temper.
Also on a side note, you should probably invest in a bench vise of some sort. id hate to see that grinding disc blow apart and hit an artery in your leg or cut into your foot. but hey you work with what you have so cudos for not using the "i dont have the tools" excuse
2:20 thats safe😬😬😬😂
Well I can tell you that Billy does not spend money on tools....lol
Stickler for safety???😏 Yeah. Right. Puts all that PPE on then uses an angle grinder with an oversized wheel and no guard!! 😅 and then to cut the steel by holding it down with your sneaker??? A great example for the uninitiated. 😏 Had that cutting wheel in Billy, you wouldn’t have to be worried about getting shot by the arrow! Use a vice next time please. 🙏
Did they actually have electric saws that were handheld that were able to cut metal and they really have whatever you just cut into to make that arrowhead did they really have electric stone grinders did they really have a spinning electric file?
No of course they didn't have those tools. The blacksmiths often made those points and that's what they traded to the Indians. The Indians did make their own points from frying pans and old barrel hoops though. But they used things like hammers, files and cold chisels to cut the points out.
He said safety but has his foot on the clamp and doesn’t have a guard on the grinder
no idea on safety
Nice arrowheads, but are you sure holding the saw blade with your foot like at 2:13 is safe? Doesn't look safe to me, especially since you're using the angle grinder without a blade guard. I would advise you to clamp the saw blade to a table instead of holding it with your foot.
Probably not the safest thing to do, but I had a good grip on the grinder and the blade. I had to remove the blade guard because the cutting disc was so big that there was no way the blade guard would fit over that oversized cutting disc.
Stickler for safety???😏 Yeah. Right. Puts all that PPE on then uses an angle grinder with an oversized wheel and no guard!! 😅 and then to cut the steel by holding it down with your sneaker??? A great example for the uninitiated. 😏 Had that cutting wheel dug in, it would have sent bits of it and possibly the saw blade into your crotch!! Billy, you wouldn’t have to be worried about getting shot by the arrow! Use a vice next time and man. 🙏
Stickler for safety???😏 Yeah. Right. Puts all that PPE on then uses an angle grinder with an oversized wheel and no guard!! 😅 and then to cut the steel by holding it down with your sneaker??? A great example for the uninitiated. 😏 Had that cutting wheel dug in, it would have sent bits of it and possibly the saw blade into your crotch!! Billy, you wouldn’t have to be worried about getting shot by the arrow! Use a vice next time and man.
Thanks for the video, was nice, but tell u something man, ur foot, ur leg, wasn't suppose to be there ! That close to the machine, i just once saw a man held the a piece of iron under his foot and started cutting, and in less than a second, i swear i couldn't even see it's movement, the fuckin machine just jumped out of his hand and believe me, believe me it wasn't pretty at all !
I've hunted with a bow. Don't believe that they had ever gone thue a bison 😮😅😂😅
So thumbs down until you show it.
Er.. so.. When did the Plains Indians get electricity and a grinder? Epic Fail dude.
Stickler for safety???😏 Yeah. Right. Puts all that PPE on then uses an angle grinder with an oversized wheel and no guard!! 😅 and then to cut the steel by holding it down with your sneaker??? A great example for the uninitiated. 😏 Had that cutting wheel dug in, it would have sent bits of it and possibly the saw blade into your crotch!! Billy, you wouldn’t have to be worried about getting shot by the arrow! Use a vise next time and man.
Stickler for safety???😏 Yeah. Right. Puts all that PPE on then uses an angle grinder with an oversized wheel and no guard!! 😅 and then to cut the steel by holding it down with your sneaker??? A great example for the uninitiated. 😏 Had that cutting wheel dug in, it would have sent bits of it and possibly the saw blade into your crotch!! Billy, you wouldn’t have to be worried about getting shot by the arrow! Use a vise next time and man.
Imagine posting the same comment more than 3 times.😂😂 loser