LIONEL MESSI WINS HIS EIGHTH BALLON D’OR 🏆 ‘OF COURSE he should’ - Ale Moreno | ESPN FC
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- Опубликовано: 4 авг 2024
- Julien Laurens, Ale Moreno, Shaka Hislop and Mario Melchiot join Dan Thomas on ESPN FC to react to the news of Lionel Messi winning his 8th Ballon d’Or award, the most any player has won all-time.
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Jules is absolutely right, he just had to add the numbers to it. Messi had the numbers to back his trophy (goals, assists, MotM, game ratings, dribbles, etc.). The fact that half the city team was in the top ten shows that it was more a collective effort than an individual brilliance (without discrediting Haarland).
Jules is a Messi hater, but he tries his best to hide it. He was very critical of Messi whenever his beloved PSG lost during Messi's time there.
right@@alanduncan1980
Messi literally said himself he didn’t care after the World Cup. What “game ratings “ are u talking about 😭😭. Haaland one EVERYTHING infront of him breaking the records too. By this same “ game ratings logic” please please I beg u explain to me why iniesta didn’t win in 2010. He also carried his team to the World Cup. Both this ballondor and the 2021 one bamboozle me how they gave it to Messi. And b4 u come here and say it’s the right thing etc the fact they brought that dumb award called best striker award in 2021 removed it and brought it again just to be like sorry I deserve the ballondor but we wanna give it to Messi here is a compensation 😭😭. That’s more than enough proof fifa know what they doing is wrong yet still carry out with it.
@@wuyiwanis3181did you see the stats of messi vs iniesta in 2010? He got like 2 goals compare to messis 40+ goals. Messi got a similar g/a rate like haaland + his ability to inflict his will on the playing field + wc both deserve it but your argument with iniesta is just the most stupid thing ive ever seen
THIS. You’re seeing exactly this even today. If the collective team isn’t good, Haaland isn’t good. Haaland can’t create his own opportunities, whereas Messi can and did. For himself and for others, as we saw in the World Cup. One is a team player and the other is a team beater
Holy moly, five Man City players in the top 10. I'm particularly so happy for Julian Alvarez who until the beginning of last season was not much heard of and he comes in and shocks everybody.
I love Julians style of play. I hope he wins a Ballon Dor in future.
@@HZ_EDITZZI love Julian too he will become a top 10 player in tha world soon but he didn’t deserve to be ranked higher than osimhen and Bernardo
@@christopherpuente9430 he ranked higher bcz he scored 4 goals in the world cup as well that he won
I am also a hincha de River Plate....I am not surprised at all about Julian.
yeah they won the treble after all
Some people can’t get over the fact that Messi had Goal contributions and the trophies to back it up. Also the way he scored or provided the assists , the chances he created and many more things… he has done it all.
50 g/a + World Cup vs 62 g/a + treble
@@kevalmodi7041 +messi's overall influence in the game , playmaking stats and captaincy
The 8ritish killed over 200M Million across the world. In Africa, America and Asia. Why is the death of J3ws so tragic than the rest?
The Portuguese killed over 20milion in Congo. The Germans over 2m in Tanzania, the French over 5m in Latin America and over 10m in Africa. The world must never forget this atrocities.
@@kevalmodi7041World Cup trumps everything halaand was on the bench
not at PSG bro
I’ve never heard of the World Cup being described as only a 7 games tournament until Messi won it, before it was the most prestigious and difficult competition. It shows the level Messi is always put against, just as his season at Paris is described as a flop when if it was another player it would be a great season considering the numbers
It is A 7 Game Tournament
Well said my friend
it was described as. a 7 game tournament before messi won it
@@ahaan416 If we go by games played then La liga / Premier League / Serie A / Bundesliga are more difficult to win compared to Champions League.
These guys are downplaying Messi’s performance over the entire year. 38 goals, 25 assists, and 3 titles in 54 games at 35 is ridiculous. These guys are portraying it as if he was only good at the World Cup.
Fact
In the French League for a team thats worth 3x as much as the rest
*>B-bu-but Haaland magically deserved the Ballon d'Or DURRRR*
If Messi had ghosted in FIVE straight critical finals: UCL Final, UCL Semi-Final, UEFA Super Cup, FA Cup Final, and the Community Cup Final, only to receive the Ballon d'Or due to scoring an array of tap-ins against lesser teams like Southampton and Norwich while another player single-handedly led a team of inexperienced players to World Cup glory, surely there would have been significant backlash against FIFA with claims that the award is rigged for him, etc. However, because it's Haaland-it's somehow justified that he deserved it over Messi.
Messi's World Cup performance is a testament to his unmatched skill, his clutch goals and exceptional playmaking abilities were instrumental in Argentina's World Cup victory, contributing to almost every goal Argentina scored. He singlehandedly saved his country from elimination against Mexico and clinched the World Cup trophy against France when he was needed the most. Hence, he was voted the best player of the World Cup and was MOTM in 5 of the 7 games (WC Record), serving as the heart and soul of the team's dream run to glory since 1986.
In fact, Zidane secured the Ballon d'Or in 1998 after winning the World Cup. Similarly, R9 fetched it in 2002 for the World Cup victory, and Cannavaro won it in 2006 for the same reason. Modric claimed it in 2018 for steering Croatia to the final. However, it seems to become a contentious issue only when Messi is the subject. Clearly, there’s clear bias against Messi, driven by casuals like Ronaldo fangirls. They obviously didn’t want Messi to add another Ballon d'Or to his tally, and they most certainly did not wish to see the gap between Messi and Ronaldo in terms of Ballon d'Or wins grow even larger.
*>B-bu-but the Ballon d'Or is magically rigged for Messi HURRRR*
Remember In 2018 Messi singlehandedly won Barca the domestic double (unlike Haaland who ghosted in every final City played) and carried Barca to the UCL Quarter Finals and Argentina to the World Cup qualification, additionally he scored 51 goals in 54 matches representing both club and country, and winning the European golden boot. Messi had the most goals, assists, chances created and dribbles completed in La Liga that 2018 season. *Despite this, he astonishingly didn't even crack the top 4 in the Ballon d'Or rankings, his ranking was 5th. So much for the award being rigged for Messi*
So, breaking league records is suddenly more valuable than triumphing in the highest football tournament with a band of inexperienced players?? How could league stats outweigh a World Cup performance and victory?
They obviously don't, but we all know casuals (mainly Ronaldo fans) with zero ball knowledge employ all sorts of mental gymnastics to claim that Messi didn’t deserve it. They would rather have anyone else win the award, even the likes of Lukaku or Maguire. Simply because they didn’t want the Ballon d'Or gap between Messi and Ronaldo to get even bigger.
Conclusion: Haaland deserves the Golden Boot or the Müller award, but not the Ballon d'Or. The latter award is meant for players who have made a significant impact on their club or country, beyond just statistics. Therefore, he didn't earn those trophies (the treble) since he went missing; KDB carried him, and 90% of his goals were tap-ins, seriously even his "highlights" showed that when he was presented with the Gerd Müller trophy.
@@petercruz1993
Great goals > Tap ins
They are crazy people.
Many professionals players like r9 greizmen, Henry, Rodri , Has said Messi should win
That's a stupid lie
fax
also many professionals said you should get the covid vaccine
yup its literally people on twitter with "Lagos Nigeria" in their bios saying robbery
@@Mdksupreme1your a stupid lie
It's not just about winning, it's the manner in which he did. Otherwise Julian Alvarez could have been crowned for winning everything Let's get that straight
Not the best player in his team but he should win it?
People and their personal narratives
@@kevindlamini9826how do you define golden ball
@@adetunwaseogunleye Best player at the world cup
@@adetunwaseogunleye What was your point?
@@kevindlamini9826if the ballandor Is for best in wc what is the point for the award for the best in the wc?
Crazy how people started discrediting the world cup saying it is a 7 fay tournament 😂
2010? 2014? 2018? GTFO
@@goatstatusj5112the difference here is that Messi was head and shoulders above the rest of his teammates, that is why he won the Golden Ball in the World Cup. Tell me, who in 2010 excelled more than his team for Spain? Xavi, Iniesta, Cassilas, Ramos, Villa, Puyol. No one performed better than the rest. In 2014? Same thing with Neuer, Muller, Özil, Kroos, etc. And with France in 2018 with Mbappe, Griezman, Pogba, Kante, Lloris etc.
But 2022, Messi was head and shoulders above the rest of his squad, that is why he won 5 MOTMs in 7 games. He carried what was an average Argentina club to the holy grail of football. He won the silver boot, Golden Ball, had joint most assists and most MOTMs. No one has ever dominated World Cup like that.
I don't think it's discrediting the world cup
But it feels more like a narrative
It means because Haaland was born in a country that isn't strong enough to get to a world cup or international competitions, he isn't allowed to be called the world best?
they are cr7 fans. any normal fans will say wc weight more than entire uefa championship. title is for whole nation. not just club
@@ianlanford6922 Award is for an entire year not a month
No one even looked surprised as they all expecting the GOAT to make yet another history.......His historical 8th Ballon Dor!!!!!!....no other footballer will ever achieve this.
No other footballer should want to win through corruption, you are right about that.
@@stejabrayagacope and seethe 🤡
@@stejabrayaga napkin?
@@stejabrayaga want to cry on my shoulder?
@@stejabrayaga you guys are starting to disgust most people and it's not even funny anymore
Messi speeches in ceremony: "I'm not forget Haaland and Mbappe, they had a great season and they will received this award in the future" what a Greatest of all times player 👏🏻
first learn english mate
@@sidleerling6206he probably knows a language you don't mate. As long you get the gist of his comment, it's fine
@@RudrashishBoseyou destroyed that English fraud 🤣 Brit’s
@@bottlefc336Yeah as if we are here for English lesson 😂
@@RudrashishBosehey true but still people in Africa speak multiple local languages and then add at least English and French. No excuse
Little known fact: Messi is a the highest ligue 1 rated player of 2022/2023.. He also holds the most assists in ligue1…. These guys simply have to say he was good domestically as well.
A bti better rating then Mbappe
Blud thinks this is an argument
They're so used to unreal stats that 38 goals and 25 assists has now become mediocre
Just remember messi never won the balon dor with more than one team. He won with barca and the last 3 was for international duties. Not psg or miami. CR7 is the only player to do that.
@@ozoneA6 lmao keep deluding yourself. the fact is, messi won 2 ballon dors since leaving barca, while cr7 hasn't even sniffed the award since leaving madrid:)
For those who keep saying Messi in 2022/23 apart from the world cup didn’t perform that well, he got the most MOTM awards in europe during 2022/23. So ballon d’or is also considering his performances with psg.
But many people here write things without even watching actual games.
So true, they can't watch football without watching actual games.
Mbappe was the best player for PSG. GTFO MESSI FANBUM
Ligue 1 isn't a strong league
Which decreases the credibility of those MOTM awards
@@kevindlamini9826 it is
@@kevindlamini9826 he got more MOTM than the so called best player in the world Mbappe’.
messi had 16 goals and 16 assists @ PSG Last season……. and we call it his worst season how many players can match that ?
Facts and to add to that, that’s just the league stats. Only two players in all of Europe had 20+ goals and 20+ assists… and it was Messi and Vini. But it’s his “worst season”.. tell those fans if anyone on their team does that how happy they will be😂.
Wissam Ben Yedder could do it especially if he played for PSG, James Maddison could do it, Neymar could do it, Mbappe, Son Heung Min, Bellingham, Buyaka Sako
many people could do that
Yup, and while playing w many bunch of idiots who didnt want to see him excel ✌️
@@MrRodzillathe question is whether they did? It was just Leo and Vini who did that last season.
@@gerrvannny8017 its not his worse season, 2021/22 was his worse season when he scored 6 goals
Personal opinion, I don't think another player will ever be better than Messi. I think we were lucky enough to watch the greatest player of eternity in the sport. He's just magic.
Maradona? 😂
@Gundal66 I've watched as many videos as I could find online of Maradona playing, my opinion, Messi is better
Pele is the greatest ever. Go and watch pele goals. He is a complete player. He is a combination of all the greats.
@@thinksmart4703watched them lot of times..certainly he is one unique..see, the right way to see this isn't the way messi and ronaldo fans usually do...one has to understand the fact, that GOAT isn't just one...there are greatests of all time..bcoz none can deny what they achieved in their career, one cannot just say that messi's career is better than pele's and maradona's just like that...the time they played, challenges were tougher, not so much facility like now...and pele never won single handedly like maradona almost did...pele won, true, the entire strong brazil team won..and pele as the centre piece..this is almost the same case for cristiano, he won, yes..the entire team won, his actual credit in those wins aren't that big, coz his team was world class, his only job was to utilise the passes and he did that perfectly, so yeah, they won multiple times, with main focus on them..but if those matches are carefully evaluated, then its the entire team's role majorly...as for maradona and messi, the exceptional once in a lifetime type..(ofc pele was that kind too, but his wc winning team was excellent,) for players like this, specially maradona..he almost single handedly managed to win....as for messi, his haters will complain that like cristiano, he too had that kind of world class team..true, but look at those matches, look at the individual impact on the game not by stats only, but also the matches, despite having such a team..messi never had to rely on them like that, leo, since 2009, is the player with most individual prowess..that's the quality which differs him from rest including cristiano, ..haaland deserved to win too..but what's his actual impact if the decision isn't based on just loads of goals? Balon d or is supposed to be meant for the best individual player, not the one with most trophies or most goals...and in terms of individual ability, I don't think there has been any other at messi's level in terms of combined factors as:- dribbling and solo skills, vision, creation ability, looking defenders embarrassed as a sign of superiority, set piece quality, overall quality and just quantity...probably missed some things too, but that's too for being called as actual GOAT..hope its just a friendly conversation and won't turn into hatred..
@@thinksmart4703 What color are his Champions leagues and Copa Americas
It's not just about scoring goals but making an impact on the game. Halland scores alot of goals with good supply for the midfield and Messi creates goals by himself.
Yup, without Messi that Argentina team would not make it. Messi from the qualifiers to the finals was key in almost every important pass or finishing.
*>B-bu-but Haaland magically deserved the Ballon d'Or DURRRR*
If Messi had ghosted in FIVE straight critical finals: UCL Final, UCL Semi-Final, UEFA Super Cup, FA Cup Final, and the Community Cup Final, only to receive the Ballon d'Or due to scoring an array of tap-ins against lesser teams like Southampton and Norwich while another player single-handedly led a team of inexperienced players to World Cup glory, surely there would have been significant backlash against FIFA with claims that the award is rigged for him, etc. However, because it's Haaland-it's somehow justified that he deserved it over Messi.
Messi's World Cup performance is a testament to his unmatched skill, his clutch goals and exceptional playmaking abilities were instrumental in Argentina's World Cup victory, contributing to almost every goal Argentina scored. He singlehandedly saved his country from elimination against Mexico and clinched the World Cup trophy against France when he was needed the most. Hence, he was voted the best player of the World Cup and was MOTM in 5 of the 7 games (WC Record), serving as the heart and soul of the team's dream run to glory since 1986.
In fact, Zidane secured the Ballon d'Or in 1998 after winning the World Cup. Similarly, R9 fetched it in 2002 for the World Cup victory, and Cannavaro won it in 2006 for the same reason. Modric claimed it in 2018 for steering Croatia to the final. However, it seems to become a contentious issue only when Messi is the subject. Clearly, there’s clear bias against Messi, driven by casuals like Ronaldo fangirls. They obviously didn’t want Messi to add another Ballon d'Or to his tally, and they most certainly did not wish to see the gap between Messi and Ronaldo in terms of Ballon d'Or wins grow even larger.
*>B-bu-but the Ballon d'Or is magically rigged for Messi HURRRR*
Remember In 2018 Messi singlehandedly won Barca the domestic double (unlike Haaland who ghosted in every final City played) and carried Barca to the UCL Quarter Finals and Argentina to the World Cup qualification, additionally he scored 51 goals in 54 matches representing both club and country, and winning the European golden boot. Messi had the most goals, assists, chances created and dribbles completed in La Liga that 2018 season. *Despite this, he astonishingly didn't even crack the top 4 in the Ballon d'Or rankings, his ranking was 5th. So much for the award being rigged for Messi*
So, breaking league records is suddenly more valuable than triumphing in the highest football tournament with a band of inexperienced players?? How could league stats outweigh a World Cup performance and victory?
They obviously don't, but we all know casuals (mainly Ronaldo fans) with zero ball knowledge employ all sorts of mental gymnastics to claim that Messi didn’t deserve it. They would rather have anyone else win the award, even the likes of Lukaku or Maguire. Simply because they didn’t want the Ballon d'Or gap between Messi and Ronaldo to get even bigger.
Conclusion: Haaland deserves the Golden Boot or the Müller award, but not the Ballon d'Or. The latter award is meant for players who have made a significant impact on their club or country, beyond just statistics. Therefore, he didn't earn those trophies (the treble) since he went missing; KDB carried him, and 90% of his goals were tap-ins, seriously even his "highlights" showed that when he was presented with the Gerd Müller trophy.
Messi fanbums and their opinions are irrelevant. Reverse their achievements and Messi fanbums will be like why should a 1 month tournament be the deciding factor for this award. Messi fans are the most idiotic fans in sports history
You just explained PenalDOGs career. Replace haaland with Ronaldo 😂😂
You are trolling every comments section with this 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yes well and truly deserved. Only ronaldo fans hating this. World cup is most important trophy and he won it fair and square. Well done messi!! congrats to his fans as well :)
It’s less impressive to win a WC with Argentina than if Portugal had won it. You bet Messi would still sneak into the top 3
Truly deserved it?? Dude flopped Barbie league with 1 goal in 6 games 😂😂 when Ronaldo was his age he was still dominating Europe
Looks like you can have a great wc, disappear for the rest of the season & win Ballon.@@stansmith5610
@@sebgroPortugal had better individual players than Argentina by far.
Norway didn’t even qualify for the euros. I don’t know if the nations league will help.
It's insane to think he surpassed ronaldo's shirt no. with his Ballon Dor numbers only. just WOW ..😲💀 Mind boggling
lmao 🤣
*Balon d oro don't mean anything when it's being gifted though* 😂
Just like the wc 🤷♂️🥱
@@stansmith5610Just Like Ronaldo did after 2008 😂😂😂
@@stansmith5610 Oh, don't embarrass yourself. You make me laugh.
@@stansmith5610 also your tears
People forgot Messi didnt just win the world cup and win best player of the tournament. He also had more goal contributions than Haaland for the year. Only one 🐐
Tourney rigged for Messi
yeah more contributions in Ligue 1🤡
@@sidleerling6206Halland couldn't even contribute to Norway reaching thé Euro against European farmers lmfao
I think you're talking about the bean collectors in south america you rat boy @@zakariadjouzi660
@@Lawlzinator😂😂😂
Congratulations to Lionel Messi. He deserves that 8th record breaking award. GOAT
The 8ritish killed over 200M Million across the world. In Africa, America and Asia. Why is the death of J3ws so tragic than the rest?
The Portuguese killed over 20milion in Congo. The Germans over 2m in Tanzania, the French over 5m in Latin America and over 10m in Africa. The world must never forget this atrocities.
@heartofsteel7821 you need some indica amigo
@@El_Diego86 It is true. The European have commited unprecedented atrocities and still supporting the atrocities today.
It’s not record breaking, he already had the record
@@heartofsteel7821don’t forget abt Belgium in DR Congo
He's the best player ever
That's a stupid lie
Facts
@@Mdksupreme1UCL doesn't mean anything when you can rigg offsides 😂😂nahh PenalDOG rigged ribery, neuer and neymar
2 deserved bdors for Ronaldog
@@Mdksupreme1Is that what your dad said when you were born?
@@qwertyzxccvk2009 Chelsea 😂😂😂
Messi is INFINITY
messi is RIGGED*
@@Mdksupreme1cry 😭
@@Mdksupreme1 your life is RIGGED*
take his nuts out your mouth
All Haaland does is stand around in the box and wait for someone to pass the ball; he's incapable of creating his own goals like true great strikers such as R9 but somehow him scoring tap ins against likes of Everton and Norwich and ghosting in EVERY final City played (UCL final, Semifinal, UEFA Super Cup, FA Cup final and the community cup final) means he deserved the Ballon D'OR.
Second leg of semi final haaland didn’t ghost just great saves from Curtis
@@TM-bk3rlWrong hé ghosted as hé literally did nothing bar missing 3 sitters
In the end, the right player won the award, which is a good thing. The journalists who voted deserve a round of applause for doing their job in the correct manner.
@@zakariadjouzi660 you are actual a pos troll , who doesn't watch games so stop. Those weren't sitters just great save you absolute dunce
@@alanduncan1980sad that because haaland is from norway he will never win the ballon dor even if he scores 100 goals in a season it wont matter as Norway is not competitive and hasnt won anything ever whereas countries like Argentina for instance are powerhouses and have won before messi ever played and will win again after. Haaland is already losing the next ballon dor no matter what he does as it will be the player who dominates the euros to win and norway will not be playing. Sad. I guess you cant win all the lotteries it depends where your born not only your ability.
Paris wasn’t difficult base on his performance. It was difficult because the fans didn’t give him the love he deserves
Boohoo
Lol..what did he do? Walking? 😂
@@Gundal66 walked his way to the most trophies won as a player…
messi shouldn't even expect to receive any type of love from psg fans because its a french club and argentina beat them y would psg fans be happy?@@KezieKez
@Gundal66 16 goals and 16 assist in league 32 games while walking. nobody is close to him.
The G.O.A.T MESSI 🐐 infinity
He ain't no goat, fifa fanboy
@@Mdksupreme1 cry me a river🤣
@@Mdksupreme1 CR7 fake account spoted🤣
Actual campeón de América y actual campeón del la finalísima. Actual campeón del MUNDO
Pessi
La finalisima que no se jugaba hace décadas. Pero como Messi ganó la copa america la fifa tenía que crear otro trofeo para regalarle a Messi
@@halamadrid71814 segui llorando que messi está muy preocupado por ru comentario 😂 sos un virgo y llorón danielmontenegro jaja
INFINITY Messi
@@kingexclusivo "La finalisima que no se jugaba hace décadas" entonces...¿Cómo la inventó la FIFA si ya estaba creada?
Fully deserved. Spent his whole career being questioned over the fact he never had a World Cup, then pulls of a worldie at the age of 35, most MotM awards, scored in every knockout round, about as influential as it gets. City probably win the treble without Haaland, Argentina likely don't make it out the group stage without Messi.
The difference here is that Messi was head and shoulders above the rest of his teammates, that is why he won the Golden Ball in the World Cup. Tell me, who in 2010 excelled more than his team for Spain? Xavi, Iniesta, Cassilas, Ramos, Villa, Puyol. No one performed better than the rest. In 2014? Same thing with Neuer, Muller, Özil, Kroos, etc. And with France in 2018 with Mbappe, Griezman, Pogba, Kante, Lloris etc.
But 2022, Messi was head and shoulders above the rest of his squad, that is why he won 5 MOTMs in 7 games. He carried what was an average Argentina club to the holy grail of football. He won the silver boot, Golden Ball, had joint most assists and most MOTMs. No one has ever dominated World Cup like that.
5 penalties
@@cristianoreddevil97364 penalties 3 goals from open play but look at his overall performance in terms of dribbling, creativity, passing, clutch performing
People are insane to compare 3 Club trophy against 3 NATION TROPHY smh! It's clear GOAT was going to win the Ballon D'or! Congrats! MESSI MESSI MESSI!
then why Giroud, Griezmann and etc never won the Ballon D'or then?
@@r.sakarollsafe1285Giroud had 0 goals in the 2018 WC edition and I'd say Griezmann could have easily won it over Modric in 2018
@@bryanp5843 soooooo... people were insane to choose Modric? Only now for some reason people become wise again?
@@r.sakarollsafe1285 Word to the wise, it's imperative to stay present in the conversation instead of just making up scenarios in your head because you just look dumb. There could be an argument for Griezmann having the chance of winning the Balon Dor in 2018 is what I'm saying
Another word to the wise, looking back at past decisions is how we make better judgment in the present and knows the mistake we do now.
We all know past arguments about Ribery, Iniesta should've won instead. Sure, then so and so scored more hence why he won. Then we talked about achieving with your national squad matter most. So what did Modric do to deserve one? Why didn't Griezmann, Mbappe, since you dismissed Giroud deserved one when France dominated football.
So does achievement matter? or popularity matter? J. Alvarez for example, achieved more than Messi alone last year. His goal was vital as Messi was. Forced into the team, because Argentina can't compete with Martinez up top. If you want to talk about Trophies and goals, J.Alvarez got it all last year.
R9, Zidane and Matthaus all won their Ballon d'Ors based off only from their performances from their respective world cups..They were trash in their domestic leagues those seasons but they won it and everyone was Happy 😂
But when it's Messi, its rigged?? Why, becuz it's MESSI 🐐 😂
did u block me u dont wanna reply to someone whos smarter than u
It's only one set of people that hate when messi win ...its the ronaldo ,madrid ,Manchester united fanbase.
Messi has now robbed treble winners on 3 separate occasions 👏👏
In 1990
The 1989-90 Lothar Matthäus had a decent season and he had a great world cup out of nowhere. He was like a athlete.
Zidane was mediocre in 1998 but he had a decent season 1997-98
R9 in 2002 was a bit debatable while he was out for 2, 3 years and suddedly he redeem himself
And modric in 2018?
I am a huge Messi fan and have been following and enjoying his career for years, but the Ballon d'Or is not an objective award. It is story-driven, it is social driven, it's hype-driven award. Think of it this way: Emmi Martinez doesn't make that last minutes kick save, France win back-to-back World Cups with Mbappe scoring a hat trick in the Final and awarded FIFA Golden Shoe. The narrative totally changes completely, all because of a fraction of a second that had nothing to do with their individual performances in the tournament. An INDIVIDUAL award that is heavily weighted by TEAM success is ridiculous. If that football is a few inches higher above Emmi's leg, Messi is not winning the Ballon d'Or and the story changes to he "failed to win a World Cup" and "Mbappe is the new GOAT". Messi's performance would have been EXACTLY the same, but we could have had a COMPLETELY different narrative, all based on a freak chance moment that could have gone either way and had no basis on Messi's or Mbappe's performances. Social narratives are ridiculous and extremely biased. And it's what this award is based on. Messi's incredible World Cup performance would not have changed AT ALL if they lost in PK's or France scores at the last minute. Messi doesn't need the Ballon d'Or for me to know his worth.
You speak like a true fan but there's too much robbery going with this white people the worst part is that they are saying he won the award because he won the world cup my question now is, why didn't Mbape when he won the world cup?
This. The truth hurts. That being said, us as a species are all story-driven aren't we. We pay for stories wherever we go - think of luxury cars, iPhone, why Tom Cruise actually rode a bike off a cliff (as opposed to doing it in CGI). People attribute value to them because they tell a good story, and the Ballon Dor is no exception.
Totally agree with this. In 2014 people were saying to be the best of all time, Messi needed the World Cup. So Higauin and Palacio miss chances that prevent Messi being the best.
The Champions League has also been the same. There were years when Ronaldo did very little in finals, but won the award because his team got him over the line. So his brilliance was only fully recognised because his team stepped up. It's a very difficult award to say who deserves it, because there are so many factors that go into it.
Personally I agree with Lineker; if it was truly about the best individual, Messi would win it every year
Finally a sensible guy said it they gave it to cannavaro in 2006 because italian and defender go hand in hand not that he wasnt exceptional that world cup but truth is football is team game and there is nothing like only best player 22men play and there are several who shine but marketing terms forwards are better to be seen by world so they are awarded move on dont care much about balon dor
Messi was simply incredible at the World Cup but I think you’re right, had France won the shootout, mbappe would’ve been the hero with the not only a hat trick but a crazy comeback. Personally I think Haaland deserved it a little more because he broke the goal record in his first season in the premier league, which is the best league in the world, and he won a treble which included City’s first champions league trophy.
A great ending to a great career.
Guys don't remember Messi score 91 gols on 1 season please give me break, only one GAOT and one king 👑 no comparison with any player in the world football
Did he scored 91 goals 2022 or 2023
When Messi wins the World Cup, it becomes a 7 game tournament. People forget how hard it is to win the world cup. The hate is insane.
In response to Jules, In 2006 Ronaldinho had one of the best champions leagues campaigns, also, I did not hear of Cannavaro until the WC, That year Cannavaro won the Ballon d’or, Ronaldinho came 4th…the World Cup carries a lot of weight in determining the winner of the balloon D’or
If Modric can win the Ballon d'Or over Messi despite having far less throughput, then there is no reason Messi doesn't win it over Haaland with slightly less.
Ready to give the 2010 one back to sneijder then?
@Codmonsta247 sneijder? Naaa it would go to INIESTA
@@Codmonsta247 Ready to give 2013 to Ribery then?
Not a Messi fan, but yes he is the GOAT n he deserves it.
Messi sure is the goat but he didn't deserve it. It's just how you feel without standard facts
Messi should have at least 8 Ballon d'Or if this price would only be based on individual performance
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The craziest thing about his 8 Balon Dors is that he did it with Ronaldo playing too. Messi still averaged a goal/assist per game for club.. People acting like Messi was hurt half the season and had 15 goal contributions.
I think Kane is currently doing better than the 3 others you mentioned, and if Euro is gonna have a big impact, we may just count out Haaland already.
Are we talking about currently?? 🙄
If the award should be given today based on this season it should be Kane or Bellingham
@@sam-oi4mv without a doubt. Kane and Bellingham joining their new clubs are the best signings of the summer 😮💨
@sam-oi4mv : we are not talking here about if,if,if.., can you stop, please? 🙄
What is this? 🙄
@@terefefeyssa877 Well why is fhere a graphic of bellinham haaland and mbappe 2024 "potential ballond'or" winner numbers. But why aren't player like salah or kane there when they've argubly been better
Putting the World Cup aside like Jules said, Messi had a good season in Ligue 1, had most assists, scored crucial beautiful goals winning the League by 1 point difference. He had to carry them as PSG were really poor.
Haaland doesn't have much individual performances if you take away his Premier League tapins. He was invisible in all the Semi-Finals and Finals which City played.
City's key players were the likes of Rodri, Silva and Gundo who turned up in big games.
Messi's record at PSG is by far much better than any other great player. And Hall and, we watched all the goals in a season. Did we see even a single goal scored from outside of the box? We didn't see any goals scored from a free kick! All tap-ins and penalties!
Absolutely correct ! Best player not just a best striker … they have other award for it😅
@@Beast_boy._.10they created that award
Haaland scored many goals, but went missing in big games. City could win all they won with a decent striker as well, they were lacking one for quite a few years.
And they didn’t win champions league all these years of bullying the prem. Secondly what halaand had done in prem he wouldn’t have done and also nobody breaking those records no time now.
@@laughingoutloud502 City had become very close to the champions league title in the last years. Last year, they won it because they finally had a striker which impacts the way the other team defends them, and also because there was not really another strong team in the champions league, last year.
Also what Messi did in world cup, arguably, nobody else could have done.
So it is his fault beeing norwegian....
@@hansmuller3604 Norway actually has enough good players to at least qualify for a European championship, but Haaland is not even influential enough to do that.
Messsi deserves it while still playing 🔑💎🤴🐐🐐🐐 this is messi well deserved my goat 🐐 you’ll be missed in Europe when you retire 🙏🙏🐐🐐🐐
Messi definitely deserves it
Haaland deserves it
@@werez47kt20not really he is not like Messi, Brazilian Ronaldo. Halland relies on set pieces provided by other players.
why dont they talk about the fact that messi total goals and assists is more than haaland. also i saw another post where messi created 100 more chances than haaland. Ultimately messi won because he won the world cup and performed, but he did have to have a decent season, and even though his time at psg wasn't great, the stats show he still performed at high level. its just because messi standards are so high, they say his psg time was bad compared to his previous years. Messi Deserved
92 years of WC history, 22 world cups in total, and never was the WC called a 7 game tournament until Messi won it (I wonder why). Pele was reigned as the GOAT because of the WC tournaments, Maradonaa was also reigned as the GOAT mainly because of the WC and no one ever had an issue with that. R9, Canavarro, Zidane Modric, etc all won the Ballon'dor mainly because of the stand out WC performance they had and no one hada problem. But then when Messi finally wins the WC and puts in a performance of a lifetime because of everything he did not just goals, now the WC somehow becomes a "7 game tournament". Make it make sense. Messi is simply the greatest of all time and I guess for some people that's really hard to accept and prefer making excuses.
Why are people disregarding Messi's League record? It wasn't awesome, but it was a lot better than all but 3-4 attackers in the world.
Always be those who debate, and the debate can rage on IF YOU LIKE. But as he falls in love with the object in the world that his heart most desired, it is difficult to escape the Supposition that he has rendered himself today... THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME 🐐!!
( Peter drury - World cup final 2022)
Happy I witness the GOAT 🐐 play.
Why don't they say it same for iniesta as best player for 2010 world cup and poor world cup for Messi on that same year but he ended up winning ballon d'ore?
Some people can’t get over the fact that Messi had Goal contributions and the trophies to back it up. Also the way he scored or provided the assists , the chances he created and many more things… he has done it all. CONGRATS GOAT
It's mostly Ronaldo and Haaland fans hating 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you know they're jealous Messi deserved it congratulations 🎉
That's nice. Mbappe did more last season G/A n all those other stuff but hey because Messi is out of this world so let's give him the balon d'or this year and next year too
Messi's impact and value this season cannot be quantified basically. Him finally winning the WC, and the performance he gave at his age + attitude and inspiration he gave everyone to never give up is what convinced the voters. These things that can't be shown in any statistics. It seems that you can't explain it but you know that he is the most deserving. When he won the world cup the whole world noticed and knew his name as the greatest.
Haaland, but looking at the goals majority are tap ins, and the award suites him well for the best striker and not the Ballon d'or.
Lionel Messi is the best player of all time! He won the World Cup for the national team. So this year he has gone above and beyond. 🇦🇷💜🇧🇩 He deserves the Ballon d'Or this year! Thanks Messi for everything! We want to be enchanted forever by the magic of his divine feet!
Well deserved 🐐❤️
How ?
@@ahaan416ask you mama.
Are u serious? He didn't do anything for his club, 1 world cup win doesn't win u a balon dor, haaland deserves it
@@werez47kt20 who'll explain these Fanboys
@@werez47kt20 tell Paaland to do something for his country. At least take Norway to World Cup. No need to win it, as the best striker, at least he can do that!! Also tell him to score some goals in big matches.
Juls just waffling at this point
Since Maradona in the 1986 a player or even an athlete didn't display such high performance in one tournament like the WORLD CUP... Only Madrid fans where rooting for Halland to win, anyone else with a little of futbol knowledge know Messi deserved to win by FAR.
It's not about winning the world cup. It's about consistency. In 2010, Spain won the WC, yet Messi won Ballon D'or. It's like the goalpost is always moved in a way to favor Messi.
I love haaland’s face expression, he deserves it! May be next year my friend! 🇦🇷🇦🇷🇦🇷🇦🇷
If you know ball you know Messi deserves ballondor
That's a horrible lie, if you know football you know messi most definitely doesn't deserve it
By taking penalties
@@ezrabasil2521so Ronaldo’s penalties when he won his ballon’s shouldn’t count either right? Your hurt is showing
@@Mdksupreme1haaland wasn’t even the best player in the champions league😂 he’s just a goal scorer. Rodrigo won because he ORCHESTRATED the plays. All haaland did was finish.
@@jf8188 Martinez saved Argentina
he got 5 pens in 7 games ,,, thats his achievement ! no one can do that ! and he won wc in mid season , no one ever did that before ,,
Jules is right that’s it’s not about only winning the international cup competitions because Messi also won it in 2010 and in 2012 where Spain won both those tournaments
If Mbappé didn’t attend, people would say it’s because he’s arrogant and hate to see others happy. But he attends and people still find a problem with him😒
He had to attend because it's a Paris event.
@@Speedyvampir2 Facts
Dude the event is prob 15min away from Mbappes home at Paris he will prob miss it once he go to Spain Madrid..
@@Speedyvampir2and 2024 will be a crucial
Messi gets Ballon D’or for similar stats and trophies Mbappe got in 2018 but Mbappe didn’t win it lmao
Maybe because Griezmann was their best player in 2018? Did Mbappe win player of tournament in 2018? Did Mbappe get 5 MOTM in 7 games for France? Was Mbappe the highest rated player throughout WC in 2018? 2 different cases. Also, there was a certain someone named Modric that helped his nation reach the WC finals.
If Messi deserves it then he should return the 2010 award
This black guy is the most honest espn guy I have ever seen the rest are junkies
I think Lionel Messi deserved to win yet another Ballon Dor this year. He had 38 goals and 25 assists for club and country last season and it’s not just his individual performances that stood out he played a critical role in helping Argentina win the World Cup because he was responsible for their offensive actions throughout the tournament and he excelled at both scoring and creating and he also won the Golden Ball.
8 Ballon Dors is crazy and I get it Erling Haaland had a great season with Manchester City and we’ve seen the unstoppable form Jude Bellingham has been in since he joined Real Madrid and despite that we should appreciate Lionel Messi for not just collecting yet another Ballon Dor to his name but he also won the World Cup and despite his greatness so many people tried to discredit his achievements because he didn’t win the World Cup saying he isn’t a leader he only functions well in the Barcelona system and he couldn’t win without Xavi and Iniesta and winning the World Cup shushed up all the critics but unfortunately we hear people trying to push a narrative that he won a rigged World Cup and it was only a 7 game tournament and winning the World Cup it’s a trophy that means so much to a player because it’s the most prestigious tournament in football and it happens just once every 4 years and what a player does at the World Cup plays a role in deciding the Ballon dor winner and I think Lionel Messi deserved to win it again this year.
Spot on
My biggest issue is he didn’t play great for psg , you can’t score over 50 goals and win a treble and not win the ballon dor but you know they got to find a way to give Messi the award
What do you mean by he didn't play great for PSG. That 36 year old dude had the highest assists in Ligue 1, second highest in Europe, was top 10 in goal scoring in Ligue 1. 16goals, 16assists, 32g/a for a league season is a great performance definitely not as great as his older standards but still better than 98% of other players in Europe. He even had a better league season than Debruyne, who was even arguably Mancity's best player in my opinion.
You'll say the same story when Messi is standing on the pitch and can't even kick a ball. Be objective minded. You probably don't know others' stats that's why you're saying all that
I'm glad Messi acknowledged the efforts of Mbappe and Haaland after the stress they gave him
What stress? They decided on Messi before New Year's
He always acknowledges his rivals. It's nothing new. He is not egocentric like your penaldo idol.
Lloron
@@Speedyvampir2rivals ?
Stress my azz. Your boyfriend Messi could play in the Indian league and they will still nominate his azz as the best player….
The thing with messi is, the kind of football he plays more often then not is irresistible, absolutely beautiful, be it in a psg shirt or Argentina…
Ppl just wait for an excuse to give him the award, the excuse being winning the big trophies…
GOAT 🙌🏽
Dan; "Jules, you care about this"
🤣🤣🤣
🐐 that's it
Having an impact on playing weak teams is different than having an impact playing the best team. Jude is a great example of a player who can win this trophy. When you need a person to step up. He is there. Haaland is an example of a good player who can't lead a team. He is great at being lead.
Messi scored 38 goals and 25 assists at age of 35…He won 3 trophies one of which is the World Cup…He was by far the best player at the World Cup..I don’t care what anyone says, Messi truly deserves this award…It’s much easier to win champions league and domestic leagues, but it’s much more difficult to win a World Cup…Many players have won champions league or domestic leagues, but only a few have won the World Cup…Messi deserves ballon d’or…
I agree with Mario...the one who carries his country on his shoulder is the one who deserves even more... Congratulations LM8/10
Warra a Ucl Since 2015 For Lionel Messi 🇦🇷👑
When is the last time Ronaldo scored a knock out goal in the wc?
@@buffDarrly195 Owned him!
Lets be real Bellingham is playing great but is having alot of luck. He goes missing constantly in games outside of scoring like on Saturday. Once that scoring and lucky bounces slows down he will come back down to his level as a wolrd class CM but not best player in the world.
I swear I didn't see him in that game until that first goal.
Exactly he is just running on luck cause he was lost Saturday in el Classico
@@aviwephindani5054THANK YOU BRO ..but these deluded guys don't wanna hear it..he's nothing more than just a clutch player
You're insanely stupid, luck?, you messi fans are highly deranged, he's a midfielder banging all these goals for the best team in the world, and you say it's luck?, you're insane
I smell jealous here, in his first season at real madrid transition from dortmund. If you watch his entire game he was missing because the whole team was in disarray, if you have played football yourself you will know what I'm talking about. Jude is the best player currently
Ale sums it up perfectly
During wc there were so many dubious decision by refreee its as if refree association wanted to messi to win so many penalties so many decisions went towards his side when the system wants you to win no one can stop you
There's no debate, I'm so sorry guys. Messi did very well in his second year at PSG +38 goals 25 assist, he won the finalissima 2022 final against the European champion at Wembley, the Copa América and won the World Cup been MVP. At the time of the Ballon d'Or voting, Messi scored +40 goals, whether you like it or not. Messi gave a super humble speech, a beautiful farewell to football on this side of the planet, and we know that he will not be at the 2024 celebration. but it is so despicable that after how much? 2 hours ago from Ballon d'or celebration of Messi received the 8 well-deserved Ballon d'Or, you are saying he will not win in 2024 and laughing talking about odds of Favorites 2024. The vote is a calendar year and WC, that's why Messi won it, and if you want to minimize the 7 WC games, know that they are 7 more difficult and more important games than any season in all the leagues on the planet. There is no margin for error but in the league you can lose up to 7 games and then come back. Mbapee was a disaster this year, Mbapee the same, they only had good performances in 2022, when Messi was constant. He's sorry. Messi is a legend living being the best player on the planet, with the most talent today and the best in history.
Delusional
@@cristianoreddevil9736 nope, just fact, cr7 avatar guy
Messi doesn’t deserve it . Haaland was the best player for the entire season. Messi for 4 weeks. How about the others 7 times he won without winning the World Cup . Or the standard change. That’s not a lifetime achievement award
That is incorrect. If you calculate like that Messi made MLS win 2 trophies, won the WC, won the league in PSG, and not to mention its not including also
winning Copa America 2021. He won a national cup 2 times. Not to mention assists, goals, man of the tournament. Collectively he won more cups then
Haaland.
@@amybellacopa America was in 2021 dude.
@@shameelkhan8189 Was a typo
Here is not only about winning the World Cup but he became on only player to win MOM award in seven consecutive matches, the second leading goal scorer in the World Cup, and many other things. They both win three trophies. Harland is only ahead of Messi with only goals full stop and the rest is Messi.
I’m just glad we get to see someone new with the Ballon d’Or next season
Siiiiiiiiiiuuuuuuu 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I think the best player should win. I don't care about whether they're new or not.
2025 he'll win cause of Copa america
If there ever is a Balon d or Messi should not have won it’s this one, Messi was rewarded Balon d Or in 2010 for his Barca form that is the same reason Haaland should have won
Messi is an ultimate Footballer 😂
Haaland is a tap in merchant who only deserves Golden Boots 😂
Messi was the best player in Barcelona and Haaland not the best player in Manchester city
FIFA is Messi father. I’m just wondering the last 7 times Messi won it without a World Cup.also Robert lewandosky deserve it and they cancel the ceremony but did it virtually to give Messi and awards that let you know
@@stephbass1311cryyyyyeeew
Who is best player in 2010 world cup... there are many.. spain xavi iniesta David villa... votes celebrate... but messi had massive season like Holland that season... but in this world cup.... Messi is best .... best in history.... still you won't accept. ..then cry
best player of all time. there is no debate anymore
Only to modern day plastic fanboys who started watching football this century. 😄😆😂🤣
@@lonelyboy1977 u are smoking crack if u think there is any single player more impactful then him. he joins a team and immediately turns it into a winning side.
@@mateuszbak1060 LOL!!! I think you meant to say: when Messi broke into the Barcelona team it was already a winning team. When he joined PSG they failed (yet again) to win the champions league. When he joined Inter Miami they failed to reach the playoffs. 😄😆😂🤣
One of us is smoking crack and it certainly isn’t me. 😉
Haaland, KDB, Rodri and Gungodan all got blatantly robbed by the blatant Messi favoritism.
in 2010 Messi won the ballon d`or ahead of Xavi and Iniesta who won the world cup. Messi just had great stats
Haaland had a treble and countless awards and trophies.
when these guys talk about what is harder to win between champions league and a league title they will always say league title because it is over a full season. However, that same argument is flipped on its head when they talk about winning the world cup or a treble. Messi was the best player at the world cup and he got the award for that at the world cup but being the player that has had more goals, trophies and records breaking during an entire season will get overlooked because of a fairy tale ending of an all time great
Ballon d'or coming to the states boys!!!!
No BALLON D'OR isn't fair. Mbappé did better than Messi for the same club they played in, and in the World Cup. Instead of being the winner, Mbappé is 3rd today just because 2 other guys missed their penalties. How fair is that?
Lies you tell he didn’t play better than Messi in the WC
@@wavyharbdul5078who won the golden boot?
@@skuzzlebutt9745who carried france to the Finals in the first place ?? Everyone knows it ain’t Mbappe
They keep saying " Rigged " with teary eyes 😭... Messi the Goat has more Golden boots than CR7... Can the Golden boot award be rigged too ?
What he means is a consistent league tournament with a good stat + world cup = winner. Leo stat in league is not average, in fact we can say it is really good. But it is not the best stat compare to Haland. However if you add the world cup, the level is tilted to Messi side. If Leo has a bad stat in league, 5 assists & 5 goals for example, no body gonna vote him over Halland
Ironic that Uber Eats stats all of the sudden matter and are important when Messi plays there, but before then when Neymar and Mbappe putting up the same numbers every single year and no one cares because it's stat padding lol. Biggest robbery of all time.
Yes, he deserves it. The world cup is not just 7 games. The world cup takes 2 or 3 years (depending on the continent you are from). The reason Haaland did not participate in the world cup is because he did not qualify. Proving that it is not easy to participate let alone win the world cup. So yes Not only did Messi qualify, he won it and therefore deserves it
Have you seen his team? How can Haaland win alone? 😀
Based on the stats displayed on the screen messi had 63 goal contributions. Halaand has 66. A difference of three. They both have won 3 trophies but the World Cup trophy gave Messi that edge. Tbh he deserves it 2:31
15 goals in the farmers league
If Messi won what Haaland won, Messi would have been given the Ballon D’or. World Cup never meant anything until this one!
best Balon dor ever, congrats Messi
I personally think Haaland should have won this one, but I understood why he didn’t. I thought at times, Messi played poorly at PSG, and I think that if this award is based on 1 collective year, it should have been Haaland. Individually, he had a better year with just as meaningful of trophies with a treble. This felt very much like celebrating Messi for his career, but it shouldn’t be about that.
Keep crying fool ! 🤣🤣
Haaland plays in a team where his duty is just to score and he is good at it 100%. argentina was a team who was struggling to qualify for wc and he turned them into champions. The city could have won this treble with or without haaland.they are such a great team.but without messi argentina couldn't have won the worldcup.
You must be a sad kid
The KING and his 8th 👑👑👑👑👑👑👑👑
No one comes close 💯🙏
Messi was the comprehensively best player, figuring in assists, goals, leadership and the magnificent World Cup campaign. Nonpareil.
Soooo.... if winning the world cup is mandatory, than Haaland will never win it ever, and i say that as a norwegian.I guess he could win it in the gap years between the euroes and the world cups but come on... a treble should really count more than a world cup. (Frankly, i do not think trophies should count at all. Its an individual awarde. It should go to whoever have performed their role on the field best as an individual that year).
It's not winning the World cup.. It's carrying your team in the world cup..Kids nowadays lacks football knowledge 🤦
@@eL--RaLgifted penalties bc u sacrificed a young winger dancing at the edge of the box is not carrying the team.
@@eL--RaLNot a kid mate. And i have watched a lot of football through the years. Messi was, in my opinion, not good enough over the whole year to justify this award. (Oh and btw, Messi is the GOAT in my view, but he was not the best player in the 2022-2023 season).
@@ruboen96You've watched football for a long time and you telling me Ballon d'Or is for year?? Where were you when it became a seasonal award??
What you said disqualified you from this argument "OLD MAN" LMAO
@@polderricanWHAT?? Did you watch the Tournament?? Are you sick or just a deluded Ronaldo fan?? 😂