For someone who had an absolutely horrific near-death incident, I am so glad he can toy around with the thought of it and still do what he loves. Scott, I give you hella props man, you're awesome!
@@i-_-am-_-g1467 Most other youtubers except for Brandon matt and a few others would have most likely bled out before reaching a hospital due to not being able to stay calm and take the decisions scott did...lack of extra tissue to take the damage if they were slim and skinny and lack of blood( the bigger and buffer you are the more blood your body has compared to a slim, small , skinny guy. more blood= more time to stop it before going into shock or bleeding out. A pacient with 8 L total is gonna feel 1/0.5L lost way less than someone with 5-6L total)
My respect and admiration for Scott increases with every video I watch especially those after his accident. Not many people could go through what he did and remain as good natured as he is. I’d love to just sit down and talk guns with him for a while.
During my time in the army, we never considered those things less lethal... and come to think of it we shot much more ball, tracer and raufoss multipurpose rounds than the boring blues
These are more like "home defense" .50 BMG rounds. They will take down intruders but won't go through 27 walls and end up down the block somewhere. It's actually pretty impressive how it dumps it's energy so quickly.
@@colmhain Depends on if it hits studs or other dense materials or not and this is assuming there are no belongings like washers, couches and refrigerators in it.
Had to look for this comment, had the volume on my phone all the way up and about jumped out of my skin. PTSD over someone else's accident is definitely a new experience.
And a way grimmer one. His death would've haunted the gun community for years to come and we would've lost one of the greatest guys on the internet and on earth as a whole, he's one of thoose youtubers that i would love to have a chat with
There is a .556 counterpart to those rounds. We use both in training to avoid wear and tear on structures. The 5.56 is called m1037. Would love to see it tested on a torso
I had a few hundred rounds of this stuff, years ago - black plastic projectile with a copper jacket. Cycled my Mini-14, and they would be *absolutely lethal,* and would likely make great ammo for defense in places where overpenetration is unacceptable. Kinda wish I had bought more.
YEARS AGO, I was doing JWTC on Oki, and the guys there had just recently had a 240 conversion kit come in for these things. I wasn't the first, but I know I was within the first dozen or so of Marines to get to play with it. We had a Sgt who questioned how safe it was, so we lit up one of his boot PFCs from about 20' away.
@@karrimgyver and yes ik he pulled the trigger at the end himself but that was training round with almost no powder (compared to normal 50bmg anyway ) he dosent shoot normal 50bmg ammo anymore
I have just started watching, but I seriously doubt they'll be "less lethal" anyways. I know I wouldnt volunteer to be shot with them, having actually shot them in the army...
They might be less lethal at a significantly longer distance than what Scott is shooting them. Being plastic they probably aren't heavy enough to maintain velocity or accuracy out to the 50bmgs effective range. That being said I wouldn't volunteer to be the target.
i love how scott can laugh and joke about his near death situation alot of people wouldnt... i mean lifes to short to be serious even about scary things like that just shows u how big and good of a guy he is,
My 22 LR bolt action is famous for misfires. I smacked one with a sledgehammer once. Never again, did not end well, I still have something in my hand, not sure what it is. Lead, brass, concrete? 😢🤓🍻
@@YoursUntruly I believe the terminology came from American law enforcement, they used to use the phrase ''non lethal''. But sometimes you shoot someone in an artery or in the eye with a beanbag or rubber bullet and some people died from this, after this they had to start calling it ''less lethal''
I worked as a civilian architect for the Military for 30 years and I designed a scaled 50cal range 20 years ago to use these rounds. Targets were scaled armor pieces and I found that shooting these rounds on a scaled range was quite realistic and useful. The range was experimental and I believe was one of the first in the country to use the plastic rounds.
@@kaimilan8854 They are as accurate as ball ammo out to 200 yards they have a maximum range of 765 yards, but they do not fire out of a semi automatic rifles very well because of the low amount of Recoil.
Finally worked his way back to pulling the trigger on that gun instead of the string behind the vehicle.. I'd be terrified of that the rest of my life too.. love this channel.
If I'm not mistaken, these rounds were developed for training on a standard rifle range eliminating the need for a bigger/thicker berm. They stabilize because they were designed to. Weight doesn't determines twist rate, projectile length does.
@@nolanmosher784 The rounds were developed and manufactured by Bakelittfabrikken in Norway. Plastic is their specialty. Since the pressure is so low only the case head is metal so an extractor has something solid to grab. The 'why' of their development can't be just about cost. Downloading a standard .50 BMG for use on shorter ranges with less substantial backstops would result in some funky ballistics. The lightweight plastic projectile can be pushed just fast enough to at least mimic drop of standard ball ammo at those ranges.
@@CzechSixTv I've seen some videos from bloke on the range about such plastic training ammo - usually smaller military calibres as he's a Brit expat in Switzerland , so not using a fiddy much, but interesting to learn more about them
I've shot these in 7.62X51 before. I have a single shot break action that they're quite fun to run through, but they're absolutely lethal inside of 100yd. They're designed for ranges in places like Germany that don't allow lead. They have special lightweight BCG's that also have a slightly smaller breach face so you can't accidentally chamber a full power 50 load or SLAP round and send the BCG through your shoulder.
So I remember these were for military training (not less than lethal) so if they needed close a base they don’t need a superfund to clean that place up of lead. They closed Fort Ord in early 1994 & they are still cleaning up the lead & unexploded ammo from ranges there.
@@fchanMSI this is why I think training ammo should be aluminum or brass jacketed / mild steel core. Every year they could easily collect the rounds with sifts that utilize magnets to catch the steel as they rebuild the backstops. If they happen to miss a few well then there's no real environmental risk to leaving it in the ground. Eventually the steel will rust away and return to the earth.
It has nothing to do with lead. It is just short range ammo ao that you are more free with your range orientation and shooting angles, for example to practice with live ammo on regular outdoor training grounds (banned since the 00s) or in short range indoor ranges. The bullets are very light and lose velocity fast due the shape and lack off mass and have reduced ricochet.
The intro made me laugh and I had to watch it a couple times. The fact that you can take a horrific experience that has happened to you and you make a joke out of it is exactly why I love watching your videos!
jarrod i to love this content and he always makes me laugh which is gr8 medicine imo. i dont remember which episode exactly but 2 or 3 back i was belly laughing at it. i think it was the preditor one but not sure. happy viewing👍
Scott's response to the references that have been made in his direction regarding Brandon's (at this time) recent decisions and his own .50 mishap is nothing short of pure gold. Well played.
@@nukiesduke6868 Brandon Herrera made a video that was removed. That was what Scott was referencing in his skit. AngryCops associated that video with the .50 mishap that Scott suffered, and AngryCops references were some of the references that I was referring to.
@@nukiesduke6868 AK daddy made a pipe gun and went WAAAAY past the TOS guidelines so it got removed. He since made a video explaining all of it. Go check it out
Scott you really are an animal man. Balls of tungsten... not many people can go through such a traumatic event and still willingly confront the vary thing that almost ended their lives. Im sure i speak for everyone here when i say your an amazing and strong dude. Thanks for all the work you do to bring us videos every week. We are definitely beyond glad that your still your same ol self and that we still have you around not just for your videos but for your wisdom and inspiration. I hope me and my wife get to meet you some day. We wish you good luck and a long life from the Hermes family.
Speaking from experience, even though a completely different perspective, you have to get back on the horse or you will never even try to ride it again. 🤓🍻
@@NoBody12133 judging by your unnecessary comment you may not be far off from 10 years old. “a wise man speaks when they have something to say, a fool when they have to say something.”
10 years in the Army as the Armament section NCOIC and I've never even seen or fired one of these rounds. For exercises we usually just go from dry, blank, and then live fire. For qualification we go dry and then live fire. Thanks for the great video. I learn a lot from your videos.
@@jaycee509 Sure thing. 👋😁. If you ever visit Germany, you might drop by a gun range. These things are cheap (well, as cheap as ammunition gets these days) here in Germany, and you easily might try them out. I bought some boxes when they were cheaper years ago, they are quite fun 😉👍
I used them several times in the Army. Normally for combined arms live fires as a support by fire, when infantry is assaulting an objective where a ball or tracer ricocheting would be bad news for the infantry guy running up to the building, trench, etc. Hence, why you can find this round in the AR and FM. There is a adapter for the feed tray similar to the blank adapter, and I can't remember you use a different barrel.
I honestly love the humor Scott finds in the incident. Granted it was a truely horrible accident, that scott won't simply forget but he always manages to get a few jokes out of it.
I love how you’ve fully embraced your accident and how you’ve become stronger because of it. I lost my best friend to a firearm related accident and it never deterred me away from them instead I became religious about gun safety and I still enjoy going to the range.
Sir, I wish everyone had your attitude. Doubling down on safety after a horror accident like that. That is totally paying respect to those injured and departed due to firearm accidents.
@@the8thark well my mama raised me to accept that life isn’t fair. We didn’t have a lot growing up and I’m a better person and have stronger integrity because of it. I realized that you gotta embrace tragedy and learn how to overcome it. Otherwise it will eat you alive.
Hey Scott! Been watching you, Matt, Donut, Baddie, Eli, Brandon, Houston, all of you awesome dudes for quite some time now. Your channel just simply keeps getting more awesome as we go! Still loving all your awesomeness & everything you do for all of us. Keep 'em comin', man! Cheers from TX!
My grandad used to have an old ASTRO van we used to call it the silver bullet, and we would take it out to the gun range when he was teaching me to shoot. Your van intro reminded me of it. Been watching for awhile now love the content.
Hey Scott I was hoping to see the effects from a longer range shot with that “non lethal round”. Anyways be a cool idea for your next video. Thanks for the entertainment. My son and I love watching your videos.
Honestly you make the best introes of all RUclips history in my opinion. They are entertaining, comedic and down right unique. I have been watching your videos for a while and you get me quite calm. Keep up the good work. 👍
About 10 years ago, a Canadian team came to the team to have us test an SRTA .50 round. We found out that 16% lost ballistics after about 30-50’. They were also made of copper and carbon fiber at almost $100/rnd. Considering that it would cost $4mill/day in .50 ammo alone and almost 20% of the rounds were on their own fuckin program after 10-15 meters… we had some feedback. The two science brains the company had there were not happy with what we said. I wonder how many crazy expensive projects are out there just burning through cash.
Can’t have progress in anything without people fucking around and finding out. Helps clean up theoretical sciences by finding out the theory is BS and that normies will still push out the false information they read years ago and that general consensus of things will be solidified as fact despite it being proven trash.
@@hydrophilicchristopher9874totally agree. The aerodynamicist they sent was super young and really green. I don’t think the ink was dry on his PhD at that point. He was SO PISSED at our feedback because his CFD models only had a >1% loss of ballistics after 50 meters. Also, some great discoveries and inventions happen when results are the priority instead of money. We’d probably still have to cook our TV dinner in the oven, as opposed to the microwave if it wasn’t for obscene amounts of money being spent on real world testing.
I feel like if you shot a marshmallow out of a 50 it would still be near lethal. The 50 is no joke and the energy transfer with even a plastic bullet is bananas. Thanks for all the great videos!
Yeah, when he shot the dummy point blank I had to ask myself if that damage was caused by the projectile, or just the gasses. A .50BMG blank might actually do more damage.
Yo how do you keep the introductions so freaking hilarious after so many videos? You are definitely a very entertaining man and You make a lot of people very happy!
9:25 Let's be real though, for .50 BMG that IS less lethal. Edit: On further thought I realized that that training ammo actually makes the GM6 Lynx a semi-practical home defense weapon.
I love the content creators like Al guy ky ballistics demo ranch and donut they are regular guys like me that have carved out a living by working hard. They are so relatable
These rounds generally used for ranges where standard 50bmg ammo is not allowed. Lower velocity and much lower energy. They also have a tracer version.
@@jochenreichl796 out the muzzle yes but since its a lighter powder charge and such a light projectile (50 gr) with very low density, it has a very rapid drop off where it effective range is only about 150m with a max safety range of 700m. The tracer version is called the m860 tracer. But you are correct out the muzzle it is about 1000 fps more. I never used them personally but i had to learn about them in USMC machine gunner school
It was the old overpowered .50 SLAP round, certainly not suitable for an RN50. Not the weapons fault. Not Scotts - how could he know the round was poison?
After watching the entire video and giving it some thought, I have come to the conclusion that I was correct. There is no such this as a non-lethal 50 BMG.
Hey Scott, when you did the point blank shot, it reminded me of something. Like 4 years ago or something, Matt did a video with seeing how much damage the muzzle blast from certain guns would do, mostly with muzzle brakes on higher caliber rifles. I think that would be super cool to do but with your guns and mostly the high speed camera! Just an idea :)
Scott, you are the human meaning of laughing in the face of danger!😂 You were very kind to Brandon compared to Angry Cops! I'm going to check out and subscribe to Kentucky Kustoms! Superb job this week, KB!👍
I’d love to see what happens to body armor with those plastic rounds, like standard 3a armor on a ballistic dummy to see if it hits hard enough to cause internal damage, it obviously won’t go thru, but definitely packs a punch!
Hang in there! Life can be really crappy. I have been through some major crap in my life, but it always gets better again. Staying positive with a positive outlook actually works. My wife is kinda a hippy and believes in the whole positive energy positive results thing. It does work when I can apply it. But I tend to be a cynical bastard/realist so it’s hard to break the habit.
Never fire plastic ammo past a muzzle brake , look into it . You may have another explosion later on if any plastic builds up causing just enough over pressure to cause a failure .
i never heard them being called less lethal, just "practice ammo" or "plastic ammo". they were used in the bundeswehr a lot while the G3 still was the service rifle. since lots of recruits never shot a firearm before service it was a good way to teach them the basics of marksmanship. but even those 7.62x51mm plastic rounds were more than capable enough of killing someone.
I bought some of the 7.62x51 years ago online, and it was rated at over 4000fps. It will put a 3/4-1” hole in front side of a 55gal steel drum at 15-20 yds. Needless to say, I was impressed.
Seems like a solid choice for use as a Ultra-Low-Penetration round, for use in situations where you want exactly zero overpen possibility. Assuming the bullets can stay stabilized and effective past 100m or so, id assume light plastic would be exceptionally prone to wind, wobble, and aerodynamic drag.
Have to with Brandon to. The pipegun and home made gun powder messured by eye show he knows enough to be a little too confident. Plus the AK-50 has very messy potential. That guy has me worried for him. Plus I like the fact he probably would agree with a big grin on his face.
Actually watching all the ak-50 stuff shows the things hes doing right. All test fires except i think the last one (my memories faulty) have been hands off. Every part has been dam near over engineered to be bomb proof. An tested multiple times. No short cuts.
@@redflthcui Wasn't taking shots at the guy. I don't doubt he takes care when working with the AK-50 becuase it's his baby as much as anything. Just playing along with the idea of a deadpool.
The bits that do all the heavy lifting of a self contained cartridge detonation are the chamber walls, head of the case, and the bolt/breach face. So all the side walls of most cartridges do is just hold powder and could be made out of almost any material truthfully. It's just cheaper to make them all out of one material and brass/steel doesn't easily deform like plastic or paper. It also doesn't leave residue like plastic or paper would in a repeating firearm that heats up fairly quickly Case in point look up what happens when you strike the primer when the cartridge isn't in a chamber as well as the decades paper cartridges were used.
Now I'm really curious to see how much damage it would cause out past 100 yards. Would love to see you revisit this round and do some testing at 100 yards and out.
You know the J series engine in that minivan has an optional supercharger, right Scott? That's the engine that folks have been shoehorning into civics and accords to get a bit more power, before the advent of the K series swaps that are ever so prevalent now. I can't wait to see what him and Sr. end up doing with that thing.
Penetration through a car is largely dependent upon shot placement. It's been found that the vertical pillars of a car can soak up a couple hundred handgun rounds and close to the same number of common rifle calibers up to .308. I haven't seen any testing above .308. The door panels provide little to no protection and the windows are a joke at best.
I'd be willing to bet the 'less lethal' claim probably comes from the fact that it won't penetrate even the lightest body armor. Meaning that, in training, if a soldier gets hit while wearing standard issue body armor, they're not likely to get badly injured. So I'd be interested in seeing how some common bullet-proof plates hold up to the training rounds.
"Less lethal .50cal" isn't their official designation, it's what Scot calls them because it's made of plastic, he explains it at the beginning of the video. Officially, they are training rounds, and you're still not supposed to shoot them at people
@@lemax6865 I know they''re training rounds. What I'm saying is that, because they are plastic, they don't penetrate body armor. Meaning that, if someone gets shot with one in training, they'll be likely to survive, provided they are wearing standard issue body armor. It is 'less lethal' in that respect, though a hit against someone unarmored would probably still be lethal.
@@TheDeinonychus Fair enough, although I think their most useful characteristic for training purposes is that you don't need as much reinforcement behind the targets, and the fact that it will disintegrate rather than ricochet if it hits a solid surface. The reduced lethality of a direct hit on a human is just a bonus, since with a weapon that big, it's probably a less likely accident scenario than a ricochet or over-penetrating a bad range setup. I could be wrong on that last bit, though, I have no experience with such large caliber firearms.
These blue training ammo, ranging from 9mm to 50 BMG, were made by Dynamit Nobel for German Military. And yes, all of them are lethal, 308 version has 40 grain plastic projectile at 4000 fps.
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NO SCOTT, IT’S NOT WORTH IT! 😳
Whats crack a lackin
If a raufoss round doesn’t take him out that plastic one doesn’t have a chance lol
Where AK50
Where’s AK 50
He scares the crap out me too but I'm slowly getting used to it 🤣
For someone who had an absolutely horrific near-death incident, I am so glad he can toy around with the thought of it and still do what he loves. Scott, I give you hella props man, you're awesome!
I was just thinking that :D
If it were most other youtubers in the same situation 50 cals would have been cancelled by now 🤣
@@Muziek37414 ... and I was just thinking of saying I was just thinking that. 😁
@@i-_-am-_-g1467 Most other youtubers except for Brandon matt and a few others would have most likely bled out before reaching a hospital due to not being able to stay calm and take the decisions scott did...lack of extra tissue to take the damage if they were slim and skinny and lack of blood( the bigger and buffer you are the more blood your body has compared to a slim, small , skinny guy. more blood= more time to stop it before going into shock or bleeding out. A pacient with 8 L total is gonna feel 1/0.5L lost way less than someone with 5-6L total)
He almost the man who doesn't fear death
My respect and admiration for Scott increases with every video I watch especially those after his accident. Not many people could go through what he did and remain as good natured as he is. I’d love to just sit down and talk guns with him for a while.
During my time in the army, we never considered those things less lethal... and come to think of it we shot much more ball, tracer and raufoss multipurpose rounds than the boring blues
Would you like to shoot at eachother with the boring blues for fun?🤣
Well Even. Thank you for your service.
@@McCrusty76 that would just be dumb. He said army, not Marines 😋
@@McCrusty76 oddly... not even a little bit haha
I don't think I fired any of the blue rounds when I was in the army
These are more like "home defense" .50 BMG rounds. They will take down intruders but won't go through 27 walls and end up down the block somewhere. It's actually pretty impressive how it dumps it's energy so quickly.
A .22lr can go through AT LEAST 5 mobile homes.
@@colmhain doubt
@@colmhain Depends on if it hits studs or other dense materials or not and this is assuming there are no belongings like washers, couches and refrigerators in it.
@@phillhuddleston9445 Lol! Ya don't say!
@@samtdl8639 I don't. I counted. There wasn't a sixth available....
What a legend still shooting BMG. 3:31 made me jump lmao. Great stuff man, glad you are still with us, your vids never get old
That got me as well. My surround sound and subwoofer were cranked up lol
At that moment for a split second....flashback, please don't do that again Scott.
I jumped too
I had headphones in, I jumped about 6ft!
Had to look for this comment, had the volume on my phone all the way up and about jumped out of my skin. PTSD over someone else's accident is definitely a new experience.
when you pulled the hammer back and editted the explosion you gave me a genuine jump scare 😂 don’t do us like that Scott
Same i actually shat my pants
Yeah the bastard. jumped out of my bloody skin😂
same bruh, I got flabbergasted, maybe even flummoxed
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I'm so glad Scott is still around. The gun community would be a different place without him 🙏 amazing video
It would be much poorer for his absence.
@@skylordsix you’re a hater is all
‘Community’ is the sign of gaslighting by liberals. If you cannot put a zip code on it, it is NOT a ‘community’.
And a way grimmer one. His death would've haunted the gun community for years to come and we would've lost one of the greatest guys on the internet and on earth as a whole, he's one of thoose youtubers that i would love to have a chat with
@@Ferrari255GTO Couldn't agree more
There is a .556 counterpart to those rounds. We use both in training to avoid wear and tear on structures. The 5.56 is called m1037. Would love to see it tested on a torso
And 7.62 NATO as well.
That one or the 308 version. Also against a can of eggplant 😅
@@AllanFolm they have them for nearly every caliber lol
I had a few hundred rounds of this stuff, years ago - black plastic projectile with a copper jacket. Cycled my Mini-14, and they would be *absolutely lethal,* and would likely make great ammo for defense in places where overpenetration is unacceptable.
Kinda wish I had bought more.
YEARS AGO, I was doing JWTC on Oki, and the guys there had just recently had a 240 conversion kit come in for these things. I wasn't the first, but I know I was within the first dozen or so of Marines to get to play with it. We had a Sgt who questioned how safe it was, so we lit up one of his boot PFCs from about 20' away.
Massive props to you, Scott. I could never touch a 50-BMG if that happened to me. You are an absolute beast.
Not only that, but the exact type of gun that almost did him in. Shows that he still trusts the maker of the gun and knows the gun was not at fault.
@@karrimgyver IF he would trust the gun he wouldnt be hiding behind a van with a string
@@karrimgyver and yes ik he pulled the trigger at the end himself but that was training round with almost no powder (compared to normal 50bmg anyway ) he dosent shoot normal 50bmg ammo anymore
@@randomdude2546 he still shoots normal 50bmg ammo LMAO
@@ieatoxys all the videos ive seen since the incident he pulls the string
I love Scott's sense of humor about the 50 cal incident. And glad he's a little extra safe too lol
I never thought I'd live to see the words "Less Lethal 50 BMG" put together in a sentence.... but here we are :D
yep still feels illegal af
scent ence? stinky sentence?
I have just started watching, but I seriously doubt they'll be "less lethal" anyways. I know I wouldnt volunteer to be shot with them, having actually shot them in the army...
Same. I Had to double check the title.
They might be less lethal at a significantly longer distance than what Scott is shooting them. Being plastic they probably aren't heavy enough to maintain velocity or accuracy out to the 50bmgs effective range.
That being said I wouldn't volunteer to be the target.
i love how scott can laugh and joke about his near death situation alot of people wouldnt... i mean lifes to short to be serious even about scary things like that just shows u how big and good of a guy he is,
I was shot with a .22 lr when I was 15 I almost died but the Lord saved me and I do make a lot of jokes and it makes it a lot better
COWABUNGA IT IS
My 22 LR bolt action is famous for misfires. I smacked one with a sledgehammer once. Never again, did not end well, I still have something in my hand, not sure what it is. Lead, brass, concrete?
😢🤓🍻
~Just a reminder everyone~
Less lethal means: LESS LETHAL THAN USUAL.
It does NOT mean “NOT LETHAL”
@@YoursUntruly I believe the terminology came from American law enforcement, they used to use the phrase ''non lethal''. But sometimes you shoot someone in an artery or in the eye with a beanbag or rubber bullet and some people died from this, after this they had to start calling it ''less lethal''
I worked as a civilian architect for the Military for 30 years and I designed a scaled 50cal range 20 years ago to use these rounds. Targets were scaled armor pieces and I found that shooting these rounds on a scaled range was quite realistic and useful. The range was experimental and I believe was one of the first in the country to use the plastic rounds.
Just goes to show a bunch of stuff exists people don't know about. People think plastic bullets at new and they're probably about as old as me
How long was the range and how far are these plastic rounds rated for?
This is really cool. What exactly do you mean by scaled range. I think I get the concept but am curious of the details.
@@kaimilan8854 that's my question too, I doubt they're accurate at 50 BMG distances (500+ yards,) but what about 100 or 200?
@@kaimilan8854 They are as accurate as ball ammo out to 200 yards they have a maximum range of 765 yards, but they do not fire out of a semi automatic rifles very well because of the low amount of Recoil.
Finally worked his way back to pulling the trigger on that gun instead of the string behind the vehicle.. I'd be terrified of that the rest of my life too.. love this channel.
If I'm not mistaken, these rounds were developed for training on a standard rifle range eliminating the need for a bigger/thicker berm. They stabilize because they were designed to. Weight doesn't determines twist rate, projectile length does.
I was wondering if it was something to do with reducing ricochets but that makes sense.
I think it is for price, cheap and easy production since plastic is a lot more common then metal or any thing made different in regular ammo
@@nolanmosher784 The rounds were developed and manufactured by Bakelittfabrikken in Norway. Plastic is their specialty. Since the pressure is so low only the case head is metal so an extractor has something solid to grab.
The 'why' of their development can't be just about cost. Downloading a standard .50 BMG for use on shorter ranges with less substantial backstops would result in some funky ballistics. The lightweight plastic projectile can be pushed just fast enough to at least mimic drop of standard ball ammo at those ranges.
@@CzechSixTv I've seen some videos from bloke on the range about such plastic training ammo - usually smaller military calibres as he's a Brit expat in Switzerland , so not using a fiddy much, but interesting to learn more about them
Wait, length determines rotation? That's why my baby batter twists mid-air :o
I've shot these in 7.62X51 before. I have a single shot break action that they're quite fun to run through, but they're absolutely lethal inside of 100yd. They're designed for ranges in places like Germany that don't allow lead. They have special lightweight BCG's that also have a slightly smaller breach face so you can't accidentally chamber a full power 50 load or SLAP round and send the BCG through your shoulder.
I've got several thousand rounds of the 7.62 training rounds. My Israeli Mauser loves it and it's great cheap plinking ammo.
So I remember these were for military training (not less than lethal) so if they needed close a base they don’t need a superfund to clean that place up of lead. They closed Fort Ord in early 1994 & they are still cleaning up the lead & unexploded ammo from ranges there.
@@fchanMSI this is why I think training ammo should be aluminum or brass jacketed / mild steel core. Every year they could easily collect the rounds with sifts that utilize magnets to catch the steel as they rebuild the backstops. If they happen to miss a few well then there's no real environmental risk to leaving it in the ground. Eventually the steel will rust away and return to the earth.
It has nothing to do with lead. It is just short range ammo ao that you are more free with your range orientation and shooting angles, for example to practice with live ammo on regular outdoor training grounds (banned since the 00s) or in short range indoor ranges. The bullets are very light and lose velocity fast due the shape and lack off mass and have reduced ricochet.
~Just a reminder everyone~
Less lethal means: LESS LETHAL THAN USUAL.
It does NOT mean “NOT LETHAL”
I died when Scott wrapped himself in bubble wrap. 🤣
0:18 That detail with the goggles and the soundeffect of the elastic band stretching fits my sense of humor perfectly lol 😂😂
I'm glad to see you now are wearing "proper protection gear" before firing the 50 cal. We wouldn't want another incident like the last time. Godspeed
The intro made me laugh and I had to watch it a couple times. The fact that you can take a horrific experience that has happened to you and you make a joke out of it is exactly why I love watching your videos!
jarrod i to love this content and he always makes me laugh which is gr8 medicine imo. i dont remember which episode exactly but 2 or 3 back i was belly laughing at it. i think it was the preditor one but not sure. happy viewing👍
Damn you Scott! 3:31 made me jump and hurt myself. A week post op from shoulder surgery and that jump scare got me something awful. 😂
He got me too :')
ya know. i read this and it still got me.
god dammit
i kid you not, same thing here... had a Red Bull in my hand, now its all over the floor...
Every time he touches that thing I jump!
got me to
Scott is so entertaining, funny and nice that even a non gun passionate could watch him.
Scott brings back memories of an uncle of mine. Lots of unchecked energy. Loved it. Also my ribs are absolutely sore from laughing way too hard.
Scott's response to the references that have been made in his direction regarding Brandon's (at this time) recent decisions and his own .50 mishap is nothing short of pure gold. Well played.
Brandon's decisions? Context pls whats happening.
@@nukiesduke6868 Brandon Herrera made a video that was removed. That was what Scott was referencing in his skit. AngryCops associated that video with the .50 mishap that Scott suffered, and AngryCops references were some of the references that I was referring to.
@@nukiesduke6868 AK daddy made a pipe gun and went WAAAAY past the TOS guidelines so it got removed. He since made a video explaining all of it. Go check it out
Let's go Brandon
Scott you really are an animal man. Balls of tungsten... not many people can go through such a traumatic event and still willingly confront the vary thing that almost ended their lives. Im sure i speak for everyone here when i say your an amazing and strong dude. Thanks for all the work you do to bring us videos every week. We are definitely beyond glad that your still your same ol self and that we still have you around not just for your videos but for your wisdom and inspiration. I hope me and my wife get to meet you some day. We wish you good luck and a long life from the Hermes family.
Scott is the man!!
Speaking from experience, even though a completely different perspective, you have to get back on the horse or you will never even try to ride it again. 🤓🍻
Not gonna lie, you nearly gave me a heart attack at 3:32, well played
it still makes me flintch
Yes, it gets me every time after what happend to Scott, funny though
Are you 10?
@@NoBody12133 Wish I was.......
@@NoBody12133 judging by your unnecessary comment you may not be far off from 10 years old. “a wise man speaks when they have something to say, a fool when they have to say something.”
Seeing Scott using personal protective equipment when shooting weird ammo on that Serbu, makes me feel some kind of relief.
Cause Scott learn from his mistakes
@@cody8014 and that is why he is the goat of gun channels
10 years in the Army as the Armament section NCOIC and I've never even seen or fired one of these rounds. For exercises we usually just go from dry, blank, and then live fire. For qualification we go dry and then live fire. Thanks for the great video. I learn a lot from your videos.
These are german training rounds 😉
@@erebostd cool. Thanks for the info.
@@jaycee509 Sure thing. 👋😁. If you ever visit Germany, you might drop by a gun range. These things are cheap (well, as cheap as ammunition gets these days) here in Germany, and you easily might try them out. I bought some boxes when they were cheaper years ago, they are quite fun 😉👍
I distinctly remember using these at JRTC in 2007 for "scaled range" M2 shoots.
I used them several times in the Army. Normally for combined arms live fires as a support by fire, when infantry is assaulting an objective where a ball or tracer ricocheting would be bad news for the infantry guy running up to the building, trench, etc. Hence, why you can find this round in the AR and FM. There is a adapter for the feed tray similar to the blank adapter, and I can't remember you use a different barrel.
Hey Scott I'm glad you're ok from the 50 accident and glad to c u being cautious. Love your channel man stay safe...
I honestly love the humor Scott finds in the incident. Granted it was a truely horrible accident, that scott won't simply forget but he always manages to get a few jokes out of it.
😂😂😂 bad Scott….I jumped outta my skin when you cocked the hammer 😂😂 sheer brilliance
That was fucked I flinched way too hard
It gets me in every video he does it in
3:33 😂 Wtf Scott that jump scare got me good man. You're a son of a gun for that, especially after the last 50 cal incident.
I love your content Scott, I get home from work and you videos make my day so much better. Keep you good content up!
scott is just out here enjoying life, gotta love it.
I love how you’ve fully embraced your accident and how you’ve become stronger because of it. I lost my best friend to a firearm related accident and it never deterred me away from them instead I became religious about gun safety and I still enjoy going to the range.
Sir, I wish everyone had your attitude. Doubling down on safety after a horror accident like that. That is totally paying respect to those injured and departed due to firearm accidents.
@@the8thark well my mama raised me to accept that life isn’t fair. We didn’t have a lot growing up and I’m a better person and have stronger integrity because of it. I realized that you gotta embrace tragedy and learn how to overcome it. Otherwise it will eat you alive.
Hey Scott! Been watching you, Matt, Donut, Baddie, Eli, Brandon, Houston, all of you awesome dudes for quite some time now. Your channel just simply keeps getting more awesome as we go! Still loving all your awesomeness & everything you do for all of us. Keep 'em comin', man! Cheers from TX!
My grandad used to have an old ASTRO van we used to call it the silver bullet, and we would take it out to the gun range when he was teaching me to shoot. Your van intro reminded me of it. Been watching for awhile now love the content.
Hey Scott I was hoping to see the effects from a longer range shot with that “non lethal round”. Anyways be a cool idea for your next video. Thanks for the entertainment. My son and I love watching your videos.
Yea was a bummer he was just 10 yards away. Would at least want to see a 50 yard shot+
Honestly you make the best introes of all RUclips history in my opinion. They are entertaining, comedic and down right unique. I have been watching your videos for a while and you get me quite calm. Keep up the good work. 👍
true
About 10 years ago, a Canadian team came to the team to have us test an SRTA .50 round. We found out that 16% lost ballistics after about 30-50’. They were also made of copper and carbon fiber at almost $100/rnd. Considering that it would cost $4mill/day in .50 ammo alone and almost 20% of the rounds were on their own fuckin program after 10-15 meters… we had some feedback. The two science brains the company had there were not happy with what we said. I wonder how many crazy expensive projects are out there just burning through cash.
Can’t have progress in anything without people fucking around and finding out.
Helps clean up theoretical sciences by finding out the theory is BS and that normies will still push out the false information they read years ago and that general consensus of things will be solidified as fact despite it being proven trash.
@@hydrophilicchristopher9874totally agree. The aerodynamicist they sent was super young and really green. I don’t think the ink was dry on his PhD at that point. He was SO PISSED at our feedback because his CFD models only had a >1% loss of ballistics after 50 meters. Also, some great discoveries and inventions happen when results are the priority instead of money. We’d probably still have to cook our TV dinner in the oven, as opposed to the microwave if it wasn’t for obscene amounts of money being spent on real world testing.
I feel like if you shot a marshmallow out of a 50 it would still be near lethal. The 50 is no joke and the energy transfer with even a plastic bullet is bananas. Thanks for all the great videos!
It would be at least cooked
@@caralho5237 nah a marshmallow would basically vaporize into tiny particles lol.
Yeah, when he shot the dummy point blank I had to ask myself if that damage was caused by the projectile, or just the gasses. A .50BMG blank might actually do more damage.
@@holl0918 ANY blank round is LETHAL at point blank range.
I glad your still with us Scott
Yo how do you keep the introductions so freaking hilarious after so many videos? You are definitely a very entertaining man and You make a lot of people very happy!
I imagine it is indeed "less lethal" against the .50 BMG's intended target: an engine block.
9:25 Let's be real though, for .50 BMG that IS less lethal. Edit: On further thought I realized that that training ammo actually makes the GM6 Lynx a semi-practical home defense weapon.
It should be labeled less-damaging/penetrating maybe?
Low impact? not-as-lethal-but-still-very-lethal?
~Just a reminder everyone~
Less lethal means: LESS LETHAL THAN USUAL.
It does NOT mean “NOT LETHAL”
@@YoursUntruly I think "less lethal" only translates to "non lethal" when talking about something small and weak like .22
@@IceSki117 22 is most definitely lethal
I love the content creators like Al guy ky ballistics demo ranch and donut they are regular guys like me that have carved out a living by working hard. They are so relatable
All jokes aside I know firing that 50 probably sends your anxiety through the roof. Thanks for all that you do. Great upload as usual.
*Fires 50BMG rifle and gets nearly fatal throat damage*
*Puts on helmet and carrier plate, but no throat protection*
.....Brilliant.
@@isaned That's what the bubble wrap is for
Yeah, no, that is not less lethal 😂
@@isaned At least his chest would be fine
These rounds generally used for ranges where standard 50bmg ammo is not allowed. Lower velocity and much lower energy. They also have a tracer version.
@@jochenreichl796 out the muzzle yes but since its a lighter powder charge and such a light projectile (50 gr) with very low density, it has a very rapid drop off where it effective range is only about 150m with a max safety range of 700m. The tracer version is called the m860 tracer. But you are correct out the muzzle it is about 1000 fps more. I never used them personally but i had to learn about them in USMC machine gunner school
I love your content, Scott! That’s why I never regret to turn on my notification bell for this. Always laughing in the face of danger!
Scott has got to be the funniest American I've ever watched. Fantastic.
I'd love to see a real use for these, and I'd also love to see the gun shop owner's expression when you told them you wanted another rn50 lmao
The real use is training on ranges not rated for 50 cal. Similar ammo is used for training with 556 and 7.62.
@@ravener96 you're probably right I don't know much about what they use for training
Scott knows the RN50 maker so he probably got it from him.
It was the old overpowered .50 SLAP round, certainly not suitable for an RN50. Not the weapons fault. Not Scotts - how could he know the round was poison?
@@carrisasteveinnes1596 he has one for advertising but I doubt we will ever see him shoulder fire a rn50
The slow motion energy transfer on the zombie solar plexus was so gnarly! Loving the content as always KB!!!
I was under the impression that the purpose of using a 50 BMG was to be as lethal as possible
After watching the entire video and giving it some thought, I have come to the conclusion that I was correct. There is no such this as a non-lethal 50 BMG.
To be fair, the purpose of .50 BMG is to be anti-material. Disabling trucks and aircraft and such. And minivans, sometimes, apparently.
00:20 that goggle thwap had me rolling! LMFAO
Saw the title, love it already!! Keep up the awesome videos!!! Thank you for everything you do!
Saw your avatar and I love u
Hey Scott, when you did the point blank shot, it reminded me of something. Like 4 years ago or something, Matt did a video with seeing how much damage the muzzle blast from certain guns would do, mostly with muzzle brakes on higher caliber rifles. I think that would be super cool to do but with your guns and mostly the high speed camera! Just an idea :)
It would fit his “less lethal” idea he’s had going on too
Scott, you are the human meaning of laughing in the face of danger!😂 You were very kind to Brandon compared to Angry Cops! I'm going to check out and subscribe to Kentucky Kustoms! Superb job this week, KB!👍
Fpsrussia would like to differ from that meaning:
Kentucky kustoms is a great channel! But not uploaded on very often, or RUclips keeps unsubscribing me....gonna hafta check
This is the best Honda Odyssey content on RUclips by far!!!
You never disappoint with your intro. Stay safe and keep the great content coming.
I’d love to see what happens to body armor with those plastic rounds, like standard 3a armor on a ballistic dummy to see if it hits hard enough to cause internal damage, it obviously won’t go thru, but definitely packs a punch!
4:05 That guy does a decent Scott impression
The torso that one time, earned return to sender
That .50 BMG did exactly what it was designed to do regardless of the ammo type
Agreed
Great vid as always Scott, I didn't know that plastic .50 BMG rounds existed, sounds crazy but it works.
Going through a rough time right now, your videos are helping take my mind off it, thank you man!
Hope things get better!
Hang in there! Life can be really crappy. I have been through some major crap in my life, but it always gets better again. Staying positive with a positive outlook actually works. My wife is kinda a hippy and believes in the whole positive energy positive results thing. It does work when I can apply it. But I tend to be a cynical bastard/realist so it’s hard to break the habit.
@@Stephen85 thanks, appreciate that
@@Rizzob17 thanks for saying that, I will try and stay positive
@@zombiehunter6472 good luck, you got this.
By far some of the most impressive slow mo footage on the channel. Insane results
I was in the army for 22 years and fired a lot of 50 BMG from the M2 machine gun. I have never seen these blue plastic rounds before in my life.
The fear of a Lego man army invading is only recent.
I served for 20. Only time I saw them was in Korea near the DMZ. You need a special adapter for the M2 but it's still doesn't cycle worth a damn
Man, cant believe it been a little over a year since the 50 Cal accident! Glad youre alright and still trucking!
I love the less lethal series, incredibly interesting content 🤯
I had to breathe after that explosion 😂. Glad you’re still here my man 🙏🏽❤️
Never fire plastic ammo past a muzzle brake , look into it . You may have another explosion later on if any plastic builds up causing just enough over pressure to cause a failure .
Deffo clean that brake before the next video.
They will for certainly strip plastic from shotshell cups. Learned that the hard way.
They generally only blow up the brake....
@@leftyeh6495 well that’s still not good
@@leftyeh6495 what if you need to stop?
Your sense of humor is unmatched man, keep up the great work!!!
I shouldn't be laughing at the intro considering what happened to you, but it did give me a hearty laugh. 😂👍
That gun detonating on his face might have been a harrowing experience, but it’s probably the best thing to happen to him professionally
That 1st hammer set made me jump with the explosion footage! Lol. Great video as always Scott!! 🤜🏻🤛🏻
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i never heard them being called less lethal, just "practice ammo" or "plastic ammo". they were used in the bundeswehr a lot while the G3 still was the service rifle. since lots of recruits never shot a firearm before service it was a good way to teach them the basics of marksmanship. but even those 7.62x51mm plastic rounds were more than capable enough of killing someone.
~Just a reminder everyone~
Less lethal means: LESS LETHAL THAN USUAL.
It does NOT mean “NOT LETHAL”
You can see the amount of respect he has for his mother-in-law in this video
I'm curious to see what the damage/impact would been like from a longer distance. Great video BTW!
I remember that kind of ammo. We also used it as training ammo in the Bundeswehr (7,62x51)back in the 80's. We also had tracer rounds (red tip).
I bought some of the 7.62x51 years ago online, and it was rated at over 4000fps. It will put a 3/4-1” hole in front side of a 55gal steel drum at 15-20 yds. Needless to say, I was impressed.
Damned Scott, you got me with the "Hammer cocking" Explosion xD
Maybe i'm too Tired, but i jumped :-D
Always a good day whenever KB uploads a video. Always. Glad you're still with us bub!
Have to admit out of all the Guntubers Scott takes it for the most accurate. He’s a headshot champion!!!
having a less lethal 50 bmg is like putting a candy wrapper over a machete and calling it "less lethal"
Seems like a solid choice for use as a Ultra-Low-Penetration round, for use in situations where you want exactly zero overpen possibility.
Assuming the bullets can stay stabilized and effective past 100m or so, id assume light plastic would be exceptionally prone to wind, wobble, and aerodynamic drag.
I wonder what effective range you would get out of em..
Also.. Gotta account for clothes and maybe armor too..
@@Surgical02 I was thinking the same thing, idve done this test with some clothes, up to a medium jacket
8:48 achievement got: "return to sender!"
Those rounds are actually terrifying at close range. Would've loved to see you shoot some longer range with it to see how accurate they are
Now we need a second death pool. One with Brandon, Scott, Mike, and Donut.
picking brandon.. he normally has at least one person tell him when somethings too sketchy, but the pipebomb video shows that he doesnt always listen.
Have to with Brandon to. The pipegun and home made gun powder messured by eye show he knows enough to be a little too confident. Plus the AK-50 has very messy potential. That guy has me worried for him. Plus I like the fact he probably would agree with a big grin on his face.
Actually watching all the ak-50 stuff shows the things hes doing right. All test fires except i think the last one (my memories faulty) have been hands off. Every part has been dam near over engineered to be bomb proof. An tested multiple times. No short cuts.
@@redflthcui Wasn't taking shots at the guy. I don't doubt he takes care when working with the AK-50 becuase it's his baby as much as anything. Just playing along with the idea of a deadpool.
Hell we all forgot matt from demoranch! Lol
Less lethal, not to be confused with less than lethal. Cool video as usual 👍
Would love to see these against different types of body armor.
1:25 I just felt my whole body pucker. Glad there wasn't a pebble under that primer.
The bits that do all the heavy lifting of a self contained cartridge detonation are the chamber walls, head of the case, and the bolt/breach face. So all the side walls of most cartridges do is just hold powder and could be made out of almost any material truthfully. It's just cheaper to make them all out of one material and brass/steel doesn't easily deform like plastic or paper. It also doesn't leave residue like plastic or paper would in a repeating firearm that heats up fairly quickly
Case in point look up what happens when you strike the primer when the cartridge isn't in a chamber as well as the decades paper cartridges were used.
i love how scott jokes with that traumatizing accident, keep up the good work man!
You actually made me jump at 3:30 fully wasn't expecting that
Now I'm really curious to see how much damage it would cause out past 100 yards. Would love to see you revisit this round and do some testing at 100 yards and out.
You know the J series engine in that minivan has an optional supercharger, right Scott? That's the engine that folks have been shoehorning into civics and accords to get a bit more power, before the advent of the K series swaps that are ever so prevalent now. I can't wait to see what him and Sr. end up doing with that thing.
Penetration through a car is largely dependent upon shot placement. It's been found that the vertical pillars of a car can soak up a couple hundred handgun rounds and close to the same number of common rifle calibers up to .308. I haven't seen any testing above .308.
The door panels provide little to no protection and the windows are a joke at best.
~Just a reminder everyone~
Less lethal means: LESS LETHAL THAN USUAL.
It does NOT mean “NOT LETHAL”
@@YoursUntruly It really should be "less-likely-but-not-100%-guaranteed-to-not-be-lethal"... But that doesn't roll off the tongue very well lol
I'd be willing to bet the 'less lethal' claim probably comes from the fact that it won't penetrate even the lightest body armor. Meaning that, in training, if a soldier gets hit while wearing standard issue body armor, they're not likely to get badly injured. So I'd be interested in seeing how some common bullet-proof plates hold up to the training rounds.
"Less lethal .50cal" isn't their official designation, it's what Scot calls them because it's made of plastic, he explains it at the beginning of the video. Officially, they are training rounds, and you're still not supposed to shoot them at people
@@lemax6865 Exactly. Some people just don't listen to spoken words....
@@lemax6865 I know they''re training rounds. What I'm saying is that, because they are plastic, they don't penetrate body armor. Meaning that, if someone gets shot with one in training, they'll be likely to survive, provided they are wearing standard issue body armor. It is 'less lethal' in that respect, though a hit against someone unarmored would probably still be lethal.
@@TheDeinonychus Fair enough, although I think their most useful characteristic for training purposes is that you don't need as much reinforcement behind the targets, and the fact that it will disintegrate rather than ricochet if it hits a solid surface. The reduced lethality of a direct hit on a human is just a bonus, since with a weapon that big, it's probably a less likely accident scenario than a ricochet or over-penetrating a bad range setup. I could be wrong on that last bit, though, I have no experience with such large caliber firearms.
These blue training ammo, ranging from 9mm to 50 BMG, were made by Dynamit Nobel for German Military. And yes, all of them are lethal, 308 version has 40 grain plastic projectile at 4000 fps.
Nice, now when my kid would want me to buy him a 50 cal, i know what ammo i should give them. Thanks Scott
7:12 surprise visit from Seth Rogen😂
Why is zombie's torso so soft?