Mizuno Golf LIVE - ST MAX woods and Mizuno Pro 241, 243, 245 irons
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
- Everything you could need to know about the imminent Mizuno Pro iron launch. With product lead Chris Voshall and Fitting Pro Jay Smith. Hosted by Mizuno's David Matthews.
00:00 General Mizuno Talk - New products, and tour pros
15:45 Mizuno ST-MAX driver
39:06 Mizuno ST-MAX Fairways and Hybrids
55:55 Mizuno Pro 241/243/245 irons
1:24:15 Mizuno Pro Fli-Hi
More from Jay Smith at / @askgolfnut 
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Great job Jay…great to see you being invited to this. Testament to your credibility with actual Mizuno customers.
Hes the literal reason I bought my 221's.
And I havent stopped smiling since, the turf interaction is SO GOOD. And they arent as hard to hit as people think, which Jay convinced me of before I bought them even as they were intimidating to first look at. Hes right.
Knowledge based discussion from Chris and Jay are fantastic.
The ST Max looks a beauty. Looking forward to Jay's review.
Top to Bottom Driver, woods, irons, wedge, putter Ball and Bag. I play Mizuno and have had the best year of my golf playing tenure. Low round is 65 and I have hit more fairways this year than any other. I am moving on from my trusted set of MP 33's. going to the new 241's once they come out, plus 3 new wedges and new OMOI putter. I am happy to practice these days and have absolute reliance on my Mizuno gear.
Great video and Chris Voshall really knows his stuff.
Guys like Chris and Jay have been a huge influence on evangelizing Mizuno golf. I’d never considered Mizuno irons until the “influence” of RUclips. I’m currently gaming JPX 923 Hot Metal Pro but the 245 looks amazing. What I love most about the HMP is it gives me all the forgiveness and firepower of a HM but in a smaller package. As my ball striking improves I’d love to transition into a MP or JPX forged.
So excited for the ST-Max lineup! I see a driver, 7W, and a couple hybrids in my bag this spring. Moderate swing speed player here - thanks Mizuno!
Hopefully new shaft options for the moderate swing speed player for the lineup…
I’m super excited for the 245 as a lefty!
Recently retired my MP5's for 221's but the new range looks great. Well played Mizuno!
Playing 225s and intrigued to see how the 245s compare. Gotta get me a STG fairway too by the sounds on it
MAX products look very interesting. I transitioned into the JPX 923HL for all the reasons that have been talked about. Talking to Jay the other day, step change product. Others will follow.... The 7 wood is really interesting to me, really happy to see it back in the product line. There was another...... MP001, carbon crown and cortech before the masses had even thought of carbon crowns. Still have it, haven't played it for some time but mainly due to the S300 shaft....! Was considering re shafting it as I prefer a fairway wood to a hybrid. Maybe now I don't need to go down that track. I'll take a look at the new MAX product when it lands. Great work as always guys, love to listen to Chris, an engineer at heart who also manages to do product marketing equally well. It's a really rare combination of skills to do that with such integrity ! Keep up the good work guys, Mizuno player for 30 odd years and will continue to support the brand.
I bought the 245s customed with PX 6.0 in Japan and have been very impressed with their performance. Great sexy look and feel in the short irons, not so hollow-feeling in the 6-8 and my 4&5 just flew high and long. They are a great addition to my bag for 2024.
Echoing another reviewer’s comment about the product release timing….i also wish Mizuno adjusted the winter release back into late fall (November time frame).
I live in the NY metro area and still playing golf everyday - and it’s almost Christmas - but already setting up my Witb for 2024.
Fall is the perfect time to try new equipment. We still have some form and speed left from summer and early fall golf but with courses not being as busy we can take the opportunity to do some on course testing.
If we have to wait for January to hit the clubs indoors and then hopefully getting the clubs delivered by February, it won’t be until May where we can actually get the new gear on to the course.
I think that timing is important, especially in sales and reckon that Mizuno is leaving some considerable about of revenue unrealized.
Kudos again to Jay for his effort in club testing and analysis and for being such an assurance when pulling the trigger on multiple Mizuno sets this year.
Looking forward to this.
Great review Guys...Santa I want a set of the Mizuno 245's Thank You Got my Wish List in...
I havent replaced my old Callaway Sub Zero I crank to 11 degrees yet, I tried the G at a Mizuno fitting, didnt quite gel with it even with some ABSOLUTE BOMBS launched beause my clubhead speed is high, didnt try the Z because the fitter said it doesnt fit my swing and delivery. But the ST MAX does sound pretty nice and Id LOVE to try it. I have been eyeing the Callaway Paradym, so its GREAT to hear Mizuno launching this soon.
Man I wish they would've released these earlier in the winter. Really interested in the 243, coming from 921 tours. Love the look of the tour, but looking for a little bit more oomph with a similar profile.
So many new toys....
1) I grew up on blades, but my favourite ever clubs were my MP-32s. My current irons are 921 HMs, but I almost went for 225s at the fitting, just preferred the extra consistency. Doing some serious swing work, though. Roll on a flatter & straighter swing path, with less need of extreme forgiveness....
2) Currently I swap an ST-X 220 4H and 921 HM between summer and winter. I prefer the 4H off soft FW, and the 4i as a driving iron when running. Will look forward to new models - but -
3) My old Callaways were always 1-4-7-rescue. When I went Mizuno, the 220 5W pretty much replaced my old 7W. But now, I seem to have lots of overlap in distance, but different trajectory options.
Sounds like I have LOTS of things to think about. Add ST-MAX vs ST-X 230 and T24 vs T22, it could be a VERY expensive year :-)
At @27:38, you mentioned that the different model is not necessary means different level and how heads matching to different player/style of play.
However in my pass experience with official Mizuno club fitters for consumer here, in Australia, the fitter will ask you what head you want, and try to fit you into a head. Rather than try to fit you the best head, or best combo over all. (That's including both woods and irons).
I was always custom fitted with Mizuno in the past 2 decades but for this reason, I have moved away from Mizuno woods to Callaway, and in the last leg of hanging on the 919HM.
Hoping you will see this message and make the Australia fitting team better moving forward.
Can we go back to the straight text instead of the slanted text for the 261,3,5 lineup in 2 years time? This new one does my head in OCD wise, I feel like I have to tilt my head 35 degrees just to fully appreciate the clubs at a glance. Thats the reason I bought a full set of 221's just now, even knowing the brand new clubs are coming out basically NOW, because MY text is straight, but these arent.
Btw thanks Jay, you told me these 221 blades are fairly forgiving and you really werent wrong, I shoot OVER 100 normally... I got these blades and Im shooting in the 70s now.... theres something about the crisp, clean turf interaction, instant pure feedback and feel of these clubs just feed everything my brain needs to know to adjust and learn wether on the training area or the course. Never using "game improvement" irons ever again.
Just on the ball roll back, I remember years ago I bought the Taylormade R510 driver which was subsequently banned because of the so called trampolining effect. I still have that driver and it is not as long as modern day drivers. My point is the industry is always changing things which makes me think it is more about money rather than the betterment of the game.
manufacturers weren’t on the whole in favour of any of the roll backs.
I'm looking forward to the 245's. How much of a difference in size are they to the MP-20 MMC.
Bigger and thicker top lines is good news for some of us on the confidence side. 245's getting smaller is not good news for me.
LEFTY here - will the Fairway Woods be available in left hand, specifically the 5-W and the 7-W?
The problem with staggering the driver release is someone purchased the x or z and the max is better for them but they didn’t know the max was coming later since these drivers are not cheap
Will you be adding new shafts for the MP 24 series irons?
will be country-dependent.
With the new 24 pro series irons, would a 3-step mixed set be unheard of? - say 4, 5 (245), 6, 7 (243) 8, 9, PW (241)?
no - that can work. Might be smoother to pick the favourite long irons, favourite short irons and see if there’s a join between 2 models though. If you can find a way to make that work, would be smoother.
@@mizunogolf1906 Excellent! I kind of figured you’d say something along those lines. Much appreciated!
Jay, what do you think of going two six irons 221 and 225 to get the loft gap but also “one length” the top of the bag for players that struggle with the long irons?
One Length top end may be possible but you may have to strengthen the loft of the 225 by a degree to make up for the 1.5 to 2mph less Club head speed from the 1/2 inch less shaft increments.
That said, the above is only if you have t👍he club head speed to do it, if you swing medium to low then the reduction of shaft length and also a degree in loft would cause a reduction in peak height and control, and maybe no gain overall
@@AskGolfNut I believe I could have the swing speed, but I am very unstable with the longer irons. Thank you for your answer and a happy Christmas to you and your family.
how much heavier is the MP245 versus MP225 ??
will you be doing 7w / 5 / 6 Hybrids? thanks
Hybrids available in lofts up to 30 degrees (28 degree head with up to a 2 degree adjustment) 👍🏻
Am I the only one who doesnt like lofts on the 243s? Not a fan of a pitching wedge at 44°, and consequentially, the gap wedge at 48°... I like playing a 52°, 56°, & 60° wedge, but these lofts seem to make that impossible...
In anticipation I ordered a 245 4-iron but have to say the finish sucks compared to my 221s. The finish just looks cheap.
I recently demoed 245 in Australia, they are smaller, to a point of being to small, not a fan, not a consistent feel unless you middled it, when middled great sprining release.
They got it wrong on these.
If you're a superb ball striker, and I mean superb ball striker, they have gone to far
Understand that it maybe too small for you - but size change compared to the 225 is fine margins. Yes it is still a model for a better player and so we’ve made changes that suit those players. The JPX923 line up is there for players who want a little more clubface.
I’m not sure they are much smaller. I know that Chris mentioned that several times, but when in look at the chart that shows size difference between the 223 and 243 it’s 1 millimeter difference in head length.
That’s almost undetectable.
@@mariofonseca9267 the size change between 921 another new player distance pros is significant, considering I played over 20 year old forged cavity back that were not big these ne w mizuno are small.
There is a gap th a t needs filling from the hot metals and this pro series, the jump is to much, I played forged cbs for over 20 years and really want that feel, but tech is moving for the sake of moving, so I don't know where to go.
The titliest 150s are a good size and played well
@@user-pu1js4cg2y this year I went on an experiment-an expensive one btw- trying to find the perfect iron set. For background I started playing Mizuno back in 1992 with the TC 29 and then the MP 29…. And pretty much had them all until a few years ago…when Mizuno’s no longer felt like Mizuno’s to me.
But this year based on jays feedback decided to give Mizuno another try and actually b purchases the jpx 923 forged and hm pro and the 225’s.
And I also tried every other players distance and some players irons on the market. Zx7, T150, i230, p790, forged tec, cobra cb, pxg 0317 etc. crazy right?😁
The ones that I kept were the 225 and jpx hm pro. And i play them as a reversed set with 2,4,5,6 from the 225 set and 7-gap, SW and L from the jpx hm pro. And that is because too much offset on long irons from the jpx hm pro and not enough power from the short irons in the 225 set.
So that’s my story 😁.
Going back to the original point you raised- As far as size is concerned and being small, try the ping blueprints!!! You can barely see a clubhead down by the ball…. But they feel the best of any iron in the market today!!! Take care.
@@mariofonseca9267 they aren’t much smaller. Been watch video compare them side by side and are only fractionally smaller than the 225
Really wish manufacturer’s would stop listening to people on forums who want smaller irons.
^this.
Lol im gaming the Mizuno Pro 221s right now, theyre small.... but oddly manageable. But anything... ANYTHING smaller than that and you really gotta ask, who tf are these irons for? Even tour pros are favouring forgiveness nowdays over the risk you mishit a blade and end up a few yards short in a bunker blowing the whole tournament.
Pls, the forum pseudo chads who claim they pure everything and "need" more workability...? Need to be put on mute.
Mizuno, regardless of how great their products are, have been irrelevant over the last 2 years due to ransomeware attacks. Even this last season you couldn't get their irons in a timely fashion. Literally months. We can only assume this pattern will continue.
Was that really what is was? How far behind are they these days for custom?
I literally got my JPX 923s Tours three weeks from when I ordered them…
I got my 923 tours in one week after order placement in mid-October.
there have been some patches where we were slower than we would have liked to be. In 2022 it was the entire industry with world supply chain. In 2023 both US and Europe it was mainly growing pains - we just had more demand than we’ve been accustomed to. We’ve addressed that at both the European and US assembly lines with more staff for 2024. We were running at around 10 days through Autumn.
@@mizunogolf1906 Summer 2022 was a ransomeware attack that was actually published news in golf periodicals. Summer 2023 orders were 2 month out due to what some where claiming was the same event again. I played the 221's but I bought them off the rack and built them to my specs from there due to ordering delays.. I looked forward to ordering 241's when they become available in North America, and I'm glad to hear to issues have been resolved. Cheers.