What you all miss as with respect most of you know nothing about cars but like to pretend you do is that this car is primarily a road car and as such NOT a hardcore track car so OF COURSE the brakes are not designed for the track - DUH! Anyone who does actual track stuff with a car will upgrade the brakes first - DUH! Now repeat that back to me so you understand it!
@@ChinaDriven Actually you been going on and on with the song about the bad brakes. The Pads given by standard are pretty balanced for a road use as mostly the braking is done by the regerative function so the pads are just an added power barely used. The same person who had the accident lately installed again the brembo calipers with the sport pads (He initially replaced the calipers with some after market ones) and made the 3rd record of that track with barely any pads consumation but those pads would make the car really unconortable in normal driving as the moment you touch the brakes you would end-up with you face on the windscreen. Last note when he had the accident he actually started braking at 150 km/h and had the collision at 40 km/h so actually the pads been slowing down almost 2 tonns of vehicle in a really short space.
It’s a sponsored video . The car is extremely deeply flawed first 30 days had SO MANY SCANDALS it’s insane and around 60% of pre orders were cancelled. Also it’s straight up dangerous car it’s not just badly made or not working it’s DANGEROUS. And this is why probably it won’t come to Europe 😂.
I rarely reply to RUclips videos, but damn this is a special occasion to say the least. Massive kudos to your review with all the details and most importantly the "personal" feeling that you get from the car itself, can't wait till this is available in Greece sometime in the near future because i think it will shift the way people visualize and understand current generation EV cars. You just gained a new sub, keep up the good work!
Great review. Given it's their first attempt, this car is phenomenal. For people who can't afford a Porsche, who cares if it's derivative, most cars are to varying degrees. The exterior and interior look good on camera. I prefer the wood effect plastic over the shiny piano black stuff the more premium brands use. The soft hand grabs aren't such a bad idea. They're positioned at head height so bumping your head on a hard hand grab might occur, not a problem with these. That physical button add-on for the display screen should be standard IMO. The add-on display pads for rear seat passengers is great. It would be good if this was an option for the front passenger as well. I wonder how much additional down force that spoiler generates. I looks a bit like a gimmick🤔. I do worry about a greater incidence of high speed crashes in these powerful new cars. They're relatively cheap, ridiculously powerful, and perhaps instil an over-confidence in the cars handling and the drivers ability. A potential recipe for disaster. If you do a review of an electric car with the under-body LED's and NOX release add-ons, can you please shave your head, get a head tattoo, and some kind of edgy beard trim, and wear one of Wheelsboys Hawaiian shirts.
Good analysis. After all, cars usually crash on their own and I may suggest the abilities and overconfidence of the drivers are a high percentage and add to that human errors are mainly to blame. This had me sold on that SU7 at the end of the video. Under,US $30,000?? I couldn't even get a Acura TSL or a Kia Genesis.
It’s a death trap there is nothing amazing in this car it’s just straight up shitbox NOT A SINGLE POSITIVE. It’s so cheap because it’s cheaply made. No stat said is actually true in real world conditions 😂
Love it. Xiaomi should spec better brakes and call it the ‘Track pack’, with the clear understanding that the standard version comes with road-only brakes that are not to be used u dear race track conditions.
I currently have Porsche Taycan 4s, Great Porsche driving exp BUT incredibly unreliable, tons of software and hardware issues. Whats wrong with those Porsche engineers ?? The most scary part of all is large number of HV battery issues in many Taycans. I would not think twice buying this SU7 and I will.
@@cfeifei1874 If you use reviewers actually the testing shows non of the claims you have said are true. Real 0-60mph/~100km/h is actually in the 3s but that’s more to do with the fact Xiami measure 0-100 when the car is moving (rolling start) which is weird since that eliminates launch which makes up your 0-60 time but that still is insane. The car is extremely amazing car though I must add. Yes the brakes are worrying considering it’s a “track” possible car. Other than the other issues not noted I must say you’re spot on. For a first car, it’s a good sign for what’s to come.
Su7 ultra “test car” just broke Nuremberg track record, being the fastest 4 door car. Many commented on its a “prototype”, it’s not a real Xaomi, etc. based on the news I read SU7 Ultra is or will be in production.
No idea. I don't know if there are plans for English software. Did it not come with a side loaded 3rd party english UI? I guess you can use apply car play which is a good thing.
This is the coolest EV ever made, cool design (nothing to do with Porsche), maybe a little inspiration. And then they have some super cool add-ons that can be put on the display and that make really good sense.
Nothing to do with Porsche? It's Temu version of Porsche Taycan. Taycan body with McLaren headlights. Heck they even copied Porsche's iconic Yellow caliper on Carbon Ceramic discs.
Nice summary at the end. Thanks for clarifying the issue about brake pads. For ordinary drivers, especially those using regenerative braking, the brake pads should be perfectly fine, correct?
Yes. But Xiaomi is now offering a brake pad and brake fluid upgrade for 4000 rmb. I think you can source your own high quality pads and fluid for cheaper, and this shouldn't affect the warranty. But i don't know that for sure.
@@1024. Thanks for explaining. SU7 won't be a problem for me then, as I have no desire for "极限运动和测试"! Part of the problem may be that Xiaomi emphasised that SU7 is intended to be a "driver's car", and may have inadvertently encouraged unrealistic driving behaviour! Thanks again.
One thing I learned is that if the car is not marketed as a track car, and you don’t know what it takes to drive fast other then pressing the gas pedal, then don’t take it to the track, period. Even for performance oriented cars, I would recommend having someone who knows their stuff examining the entire brake system before you go. Take the new M4 for example, many people don’t know that there is a cover in the front wheel arch that you should remove to open the channel which leads to an intake at the front bumper to cool the brake rotors. And because of the fact that the new M4 is brake by wire, the system automatically adjusts the pressure on the callipers by computer, hence it is really hard for amateur drivers to realize that the brakes are over heating until total failure. This is not a problem just for Xiaomi, it is just a problem that is becoming increasingly common due to EVs in general introducing power figure that was obviously reserved for selected few in the not so distant past, but at a much more accessible price. And therefore, you get more drivers who have no respect for speed and power, handling the kind of power that they are not supposed to possess.
I was talking about how insane it is that the Xiaomi SU7 ultra is gunna costs as little as it does for a legit 1500hp. And even if it has ceramic brakes…that just means the brakes will resist fade, but you still need to know what you are doing.
Brembo is OEM parts supplier. they make brake based on OEMs specification. The brake pads are what people were complaining about specifically. The calipers are Brembos not the pads.
The SU7 ultra broke the Nurburgering record not the max. The ultra has carbon ceramic brakes and is designed for the track whereas the su7 max is marketed as a sporty family sedan. Also Xiaomi has offered customers a free brake upgrade for the su7 max which is worth 550 usd. The 4 piston brembo brakes are more than sufficient for normal use because the regenerative braking on an EV does close to 50% of the braking. The Chinese youtubers who crashed them (only 2 have crashed due to braking failures out of 120000 sold this year) both said that the brakes were sufficient for road use and the one said that the car warned him minutes before the failure but he kept pushing it in order to break his record around the track which was stupid. The Tesla model S plaid also had brake failures around the track and that car has double the power with small brakes. If you track any normal car and push it the brake pads will wear out and the brake fluid will boil, this is common sense. People are just uninformed about the situation.
So what I said then? lol. Yes the Ultra set the NBR record, but I didn't say the MAX did. The Ultra was still under wraps when this was recorded. I said Xiaomi had several adverts around with it on track. Ofc there are disclaimers, ofc no one reads them. ofc road brakes are not designed for high track work. The problem supposedly is not the callipers but the pads themselves. In the pin comment you will see I wrote about the upgrade package that was introduced around or just after i finished shooting this. Xiaomi originally offered a paid upgrade for dealership install, which consists of brake fluid and pad upgrades. They may very well be offering it as free now. I haven't checked since I recorded this.
@ChinaDriven sorry I'm not talking about what you said in the video, I'm just pointing out misconceptions I've seen surrounding the braking system. Your video was thorough and I enjoyed it 😅
@ChinaDriven I did read your comment before. Sorry this wasn't a criticism of the video and yes the marketing is a little bit misleading so I totally agree with that. I'm just pointing out some things I've read online 😂😅
No Problem. I tried to address the brakes subject as succinctly as possible in the video. But even with me saying it was about the brake pads, the amount of comments about Brembo callipers shows people either didn't pay attention or don't understand brake components. I've see Chinese social media talk about how the xiaomi they are heavily chamfered, and they are, more so then any other OEM pad i've seen. This ofc will reduce brake squeal, but it also reduces pad contact surface area.But I don't think this is really part of the "problem." The fact the pads are disintegrating also points to the pads composition, which I suspect are soft for road use, and fail under sustained high heat, like track work. I just wanted to point out both sides. Road brakes generally aren't designed for track use but on the other hand, If you constantly have ads showing your car on track don't be surprised when people take it to the track then moan about shortcomings of track performance. Xiaomi basically admitted the lack of braking performance for track but offering the upgrade, specifically aimed at the pads and replacing brake fluid for high temp brake fluid. As I said in the video, at the end of the day, buy the Xiaomi SU7 MAX, its seriously cheap for the performance and pay another $3-4K for a full big brake kit, pads, fluid and stainless steel lines and its still a performance bargain! But I suspect, better pads, stainless steel lines and high temp brake fluid will be more than enough for most people.
@ChinaDriven yes I agree 100%. I'm hoping the car eventually comes to South Africa so I can buy it 😂. I know the car is manufactured by BAIC and of the BAIC cars I've felt have been decent quality so I expect the same from the SU7. Obviously I am speaking from what I've seen, getting behind the wheel will allow me to come up with my own opinions.
Yes English UI would be nice, but obviously this is not a priority for them right now. And even those cars/OEMs with english UIs didn't launch with them. So it may come further down the line, at least this car, unlike the majority, comes with Apple carplay and android auto which could be used while you wait.
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I respect this car so much despite it being unsafe. Why ? Beacause it looks amazing !! It’s fast it has amazing tech and most importantly it’s cheap unlike the overpriced European cars. For that despite the flaws I respect it so much
I'm not so up to speed on the situations of imports into India, but I think i read you have quite high import tariffs. The best hope is Xiaomi decide to go localised production. But I don't see that happening anytime soon.
The zeekr 001 is more comfortable. The Xiaomi Su7 is better driving dynamics. The Zeekr 001 is good but its heavy and feels heavy. For the soundproofing, its been too long since i've drivne the zeekr 001. I can't remember...
Surely that's something they would now be onto with Brembo, Brembo are responsible for their brake systems as they would be on any other manufacturers vehicle if they weren't doing the job expected from them. I'm certain this issue has possibly already been redressed at the time of this video.
chinese consumers are just freakazoids now when it comes to new tech in general, esp when it's from a top domestic brand. e.g. shooting rifles on huawei mate60pro's to test its kunlun glass's extreme durability, even driving cars over it to see if it breaks, driving byd u8 on waters. basically just too extreme testing on national brands bc maybe they are already fed up with the image in the past that chinese products have been breaking down easily, etc. and they want to prove otherwise. in this xiaomi su7 case, i think many users really abused the brembo brakes too much by testing the braking distance and averaging more than 20+ tests to confirm the 33ish m result on paper. ofc others found this absurd bc you never do this to a toyota or an iphone just to prove a point but that's about it.
The brake failures were due to the brake pads not the brembo supplied callipers. And the videos of the pads disintegrating were mainly on track usage. Many claiming they weren't lasting for more than a lap. Xiaomi is already offering brake pad and brake fluid upgrades to owners. So they've kind of admitted that the pads are not up to standard inline with the cars performance.
@@ChinaDriven Come on, the fact of the matter now is that there are people who have gone up to 270KM/H in Russia in an SU7, and there are people who still maintain a 33m braking distance in China after braking a dozen times in a row. And you are saying SU7's brakes are faulty because of a track accident, put away your prejudice
what prejudice? MULTIPLE videos of brake PADS disintegrating on track on Chinese social media. It's not prejudice to talk about it, and as I stated in the video, on road I had no problem with them. The fact that Xiaomi is now offering upgraded pads and fluid should be clue enough that the reports of those pad failures has some merit. And as I stated quite clearly, people shouldn't be expecting stock brakes to handle hard track work. I was EXTREMELY balanced and fair in my summary of the issue that has been reported...what more do you want from me?
@@ChinaDriven At the end of the day this car is a family car and LEI has said not to drive the SU7 at the track. And your logic is ridiculous, launching a track kit =admitted that the pads are not up to standard inline with the cars performance. However the fact is that Xiaomi's brakes have no problems on a daily basis I don't see the need for Xiaomi to launch these things because 3rd party manufacturers will do it. They could have made people buy SU7 ULTRA too, but they still listened to their users and did this. I don't want to discuss this anymore, it's time for me to sleep, I just think if you want to be a well known car blogger you should be careful with your words to avoid legal risks.
Your headline caught my attention so I kept on viewing it to see what the big problem was. In the end I was disappointed. You had me fooled!😂. That was reverse psychology and you had me turned into a true believer of SU 7. Sign me up if we are lucky enough to get them over here at home.
Hmm, can't be that bad a car. No less than Ford CEO Jim Farley has had one as his daily driver for a few months and he doesn't want to give it back to Ford, who bought it.
answered both in the video Edit: Seems the original comment changed a little. In the video I clearly stated that brakes for road going cars are made for on-road performance, and it’s unreasonable to assume they can keep up with on-track demands. And I stated anyone who tracks a car knows you need to at least upgrade the brake pads, brake fluid and even better the brake lines to stainless steel. However on the flip side. Xiaomi enjoyed a lot of viral ads and videos they put out of the SU7 Max on track. Of course there are small disclaimers, but we know in reality people don’t read such information. So it wasn’t surprising to see people take than to the track emulating what they had seen online only to have brake problems. That was obviously going to happen because people are dumb. Lol
the SU7 seems to have all the ingredients to be a fantastic car. power. range. ergonomics. design. torque. also double wishbone 2-chamber air suspension and multi-link rear suspension. so it *should* handle really well on...say... UK B-roads. but does it? there's so much more to a Porsche Taycan than just the acceleration and top speed. perhaps not 5 times as much. but the price of a pre-owned one that's practically new tells us where the market sees the real value, and that's MUCH closer to the SU7
They should have worked with Xpeng Motors, and others to begin improving everything they could improve and not do mistakes as they did, with some material damages... They proposed nice things, that Porsche and other brands should use, but were not recognized globally for what they did effectively...
The truth is that XPENG didn't have any good sales in China, they missed too many things.P7 didn't have a timely facelift and replacement, but instead launched many cheap EVs to pull down the brand image, and in the end, these cheapies didn't bring any sales......Back then they started to imitate MODELY and launched the G6 ...... and the G9 which was delayed delivery and beaten by LI AUTO ...... they missed so much that they are already on the verge of going down from the poker table ...... the best thing that could have happened to them is that they were bought by Xiaomi, the Because XPENG received a lot of investment from LEI JUN aka Xiaomi's CEO from the early days of their business ......
It's supposedly not the caliper. But was the brake pads themselves. Very soft for road use, couldn't handle sustained high heat. But thats kind of normal for many road brake pads. they now offer free upgrade for pads and brake fluid
The Icarus metaphor is misplaced. Yes, the mythical Icarus and the extant Xiaomi share a certain cockiness but Icarus died and despite inadequate forethought on Xiaomi's part (that affected very few people) Xiaomi's cars are as popular as ever. Icarus was cocky and foolhardy, viz. unjustifiably cocky, but Xiaomi's cockiness was more justifiable - there was real engineering there but it fell a bit short for SU7 owners taking their cars to a racing track. Evidently Xiaomi is accepting the responsibility to upgrade the brakes which doesn't mean that the SU7 MAX becomes a track car.
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@@NiMareQ I wouldn’t be concerned about the brakes on road. But Xiaomi has offered a pad and brake fluid upgrade if owners want it. I’d daily this EV for sure. Rides well but it’s on the sportier side ride wise. But it’s not harsh. It doesn’t feel super cheap. But like I said some of the materials are plastic. But that’s the trade off for the driving dynamics you get for this price. Obviously it’s a new car from a new brand so I can’t speak to reliability or how it will hold up long term.
Yes, I wonder if we'll get the full fat version they showed off for the Nurburgring. Perhaps a range of them. Maybe a RWD with one of those V8S motors, one of those alone has 578hp & 635Nm...reckon that would be quite good fun!
Western countries will find new reason to ban this car now. Even if they put 100 percent tariff they are still cheap. 😂. Western countries capitalism and globalization is only until the west is profitable but now when they are losing money they started taxing .. 😂
Issues reported with "thin paint," build quality issues with the front fender panels which seems to pop off. And the biggest and latest is brake pads disintegrating (albeit from track use.) But as I explained in the video, although the performance of the pads only need to handle on-road performance demands, brake pads disintegrating in a single track lap still feels quite poor. And I think consumers were not impressed because how much advertisement showed the SU7 on track, and the amount the performance was talked about. This has prompted discussion on chinese social media talking about companies shoving so much power into these EVs, but neglecting the braking performance.
@@kevbrown1867 So brembo is a brake manufacturer and will design or sell calipers/brakes to OEMs. The actual issue with the brakes is not the caliper housing but the actually brake pads. They seem to be super soft to reduce brake squeal. But this means they don’t last long. Normally on road EV brake performance is a mixture of brake regeneration and physical braking using the pads. On track you can imagine people are turning off or turning down brake regen and the pads just don’t hold up to continuous high temp high pressure.
Your ideas are outdated about Chinese products. Domestically there has been a big push to increase quality of products in the last 8 years. So I’d say it’s really not generally true that Chinese domestically produced products are poor quality. And we can see that with the crash test safety scores in the Europe NCAP. 5 Stars, topping the list in most cases.
Very interesting car. Seems to have build quality issues similar to Tesla. Would be competitive with the M3P for sure, but with a battery better than the long range model... wow. Wish it was sold in the USA
They have "supplier quality issues similar to Tesla" (Who also used Brembo brakes.... and if you check, they are used by..... Ferrari, so you MIGHT think that a new manufacturer would be quite responsible in specifying "The company that supplies Ferrari" ? That being the case, Is the problem with the car manufacturer? I imagine they provide the weight of the vehicle, performance specs and Request that Brembo provide a suitable sytem from Hydraulics, to pads and discs?
Old news. Didn't hear about the Su7 Ultra? Fastest 4 door sedan in the world, around NUrburgring, 0-100 kph in 1.98'. $114,000. Do try to keep up, laddie.
LOL. I referenced the SU7 Ultra in this video...this video was uploaded a couple of months ago. The Ultra unveiled this month. I'm up to date on everything EVs. I'll no doubt see it at Guangzhou Auto on Friday.
Some features are not able to be offered. OS systems are changed to be compatible with Google services, ADAS features reduced. But which Chinese EVs do you think are only mediocre in the West?
673 hp and top speed 210 km/h..!, Car from the company Škoda Octavia diesel 115 hp goes 212 km/h according to GPS. This "Xiaomi" looks like a Ford Taurus 3 generation from 1996, especially at the back.
What do you mean "... or a poser"? Isn't it true that 98% of Tesla3 Performance drivers bought the car because they couldn't afford penis enlargement surgery?
Brake failure on racing tracks ..... Hahaha .... Those people should buy Ferrari and spend value of Xiaomi for a few laps and still potentially have a brakes failure for crazy money .....
@@rogerstarkey5390 Brembo is an OEM parts supplier. Meaning they supply brakes to the manufacturers specifications. People have moaned Xiaomi are way under sized. But the issue on track seems to stem from the pads.
Since this video has gone live Xiaomi has offered customers a ¥4,000 ($550) upgrade. It includes uprated brake pads and uprated brake fluid. 😂😅🎉
that is really cool of them
That's a good response from a customer listening company. Chinese car are bound for greatness round the world
Lke it or like it 🫡🤷🏼♂️
What you all miss as with respect most of you know nothing about cars but like to pretend you do is that this car is primarily a road car and as such NOT a hardcore track car so OF COURSE the brakes are not designed for the track - DUH!
Anyone who does actual track stuff with a car will upgrade the brakes first - DUH!
Now repeat that back to me so you understand it!
@@taefravis Pretty sure I said just that in the video hahaha.
@@ChinaDriven Actually you been going on and on with the song about the bad brakes. The Pads given by standard are pretty balanced for a road use as mostly the braking is done by the regerative function so the pads are just an added power barely used. The same person who had the accident lately installed again the brembo calipers with the sport pads (He initially replaced the calipers with some after market ones) and made the 3rd record of that track with barely any pads consumation but those pads would make the car really unconortable in normal driving as the moment you touch the brakes you would end-up with you face on the windscreen. Last note when he had the accident he actually started braking at 150 km/h and had the collision at 40 km/h so actually the pads been slowing down almost 2 tonns of vehicle in a really short space.
Amazing how good their first car is. They will only get better and better
The crossover/suv will be the big test. We know typically crossovers/SUVs out sell their sedan siblings.
It looks like a Taycan rip-off but uglier.
@@buddy1155 nah
@@buddy1155 no sir. Stop forcing yourself to hate it
It’s a sponsored video . The car is extremely deeply flawed first 30 days had SO MANY SCANDALS it’s insane and around 60% of pre orders were cancelled. Also it’s straight up dangerous car it’s not just badly made or not working it’s DANGEROUS. And this is why probably it won’t come to Europe 😂.
What a breath of fresh air to hear some legit criticisms in a car review. Thank you.
Appreciated. Got to be fair. And since it's launch it would be dishonest not to address these issues that have been raised online.
If you buy an electric car, you will never want to drive a fuel car again. They are completely products of two different eras.
Yes this is why 80% of EV owners go back to gas cars 😂 it will be just you in the end
@@Tetrathegod they dumb as shit that's why. Nothing compares to the instant torque driving experience
@@mingtangwu2716 I tend to agree with you. They are 2 different species.
@@Tetrathegodin what market?
@@MrStian78 every market you missed part where ev sales crashed somehow ??
I rarely reply to RUclips videos, but damn this is a special occasion to say the least.
Massive kudos to your review with all the details and most importantly the "personal" feeling that you get from the car itself,
can't wait till this is available in Greece sometime in the near future because i think it will shift the way people visualize and understand current generation EV cars.
You just gained a new sub, keep up the good work!
Greatly appreciated! And glad you enjoyed the video!
Great review. Given it's their first attempt, this car is phenomenal. For people who can't afford a Porsche, who cares if it's derivative, most cars are to varying degrees. The exterior and interior look good on camera. I prefer the wood effect plastic over the shiny piano black stuff the more premium brands use. The soft hand grabs aren't such a bad idea. They're positioned at head height so bumping your head on a hard hand grab might occur, not a problem with these. That physical button add-on for the display screen should be standard IMO. The add-on display pads for rear seat passengers is great. It would be good if this was an option for the front passenger as well. I wonder how much additional down force that spoiler generates. I looks a bit like a gimmick🤔. I do worry about a greater incidence of high speed crashes in these powerful new cars. They're relatively cheap, ridiculously powerful, and perhaps instil an over-confidence in the cars handling and the drivers ability. A potential recipe for disaster. If you do a review of an electric car with the under-body LED's and NOX release add-ons, can you please shave your head, get a head tattoo, and some kind of edgy beard trim, and wear one of Wheelsboys Hawaiian shirts.
Good analysis. After all, cars usually crash on their own and I may suggest the abilities and overconfidence of the drivers are a high percentage and add to that human errors are mainly to blame. This had me sold on that SU7 at the end of the video. Under,US $30,000?? I couldn't even get a Acura TSL or a Kia Genesis.
It’s a death trap there is nothing amazing in this car it’s just straight up shitbox NOT A SINGLE POSITIVE. It’s so cheap because it’s cheaply made. No stat said is actually true in real world conditions 😂
I'll own and drive this car one day
If that is the worst thing. I am happy, you can switch break pads easily, even full brakes should not be that hard to switch
It has just been caught testing in Barcelona with ccs charge port, 350kw charging speed
Love it. Xiaomi should spec better brakes and call it the ‘Track pack’, with the clear understanding that the standard version comes with road-only brakes that are not to be used u dear race track conditions.
Xiaomi offers an upgraded brake pack from the dealership. look at pinned comment
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فقط ب 30الف دولار 😂
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This car is absolutely gorgeous
I currently have Porsche Taycan 4s, Great Porsche driving exp BUT incredibly unreliable, tons of software and hardware issues. Whats wrong with those Porsche engineers ?? The most scary part of all is large number of HV battery issues in many Taycans. I would not think twice buying this SU7 and I will.
The production version of SU7 ultra is already out and on the summer test in Xinjiang, speed is over 350KPH and 1-100KM under 2s .
@@cfeifei1874 If you use reviewers actually the testing shows non of the claims you have said are true. Real 0-60mph/~100km/h is actually in the 3s but that’s more to do with the fact Xiami measure 0-100 when the car is moving (rolling start) which is weird since that eliminates launch which makes up your 0-60 time but that still is insane. The car is extremely amazing car though I must add. Yes the brakes are worrying considering it’s a “track” possible car. Other than the other issues not noted I must say you’re spot on. For a first car, it’s a good sign for what’s to come.
Su7 ultra “test car” just broke Nuremberg track record, being the fastest 4 door car. Many commented on its a “prototype”, it’s not a real Xaomi, etc. based on the news I read SU7 Ultra is or will be in production.
Hi, Thank you for the amazing review. I just bought one to Dubai, When will the English software be out?
No idea. I don't know if there are plans for English software. Did it not come with a side loaded 3rd party english UI? I guess you can use apply car play which is a good thing.
This is the coolest EV ever made, cool design (nothing to do with Porsche), maybe a little inspiration. And then they have some super cool add-ons that can be put on the display and that make really good sense.
not the coolest.... Hyundai IONIQ 5 N is coolest with its engine and gearbox systems.
Nothing to do with Porsche? It's Temu version of Porsche Taycan.
Taycan body with McLaren headlights.
Heck they even copied Porsche's iconic Yellow caliper on Carbon Ceramic discs.
我来了，很客观的评价，非常不错🎉
欢迎，感谢您的评论和支持。
Great review.
Glad you enjoyed it
Good one.
Well presented.
Glad you liked it!
Nice summary at the end. Thanks for clarifying the issue about brake pads. For ordinary drivers, especially those using regenerative braking, the brake pads should be perfectly fine, correct?
Yes. But Xiaomi is now offering a brake pad and brake fluid upgrade for 4000 rmb.
I think you can source your own high quality pads and fluid for cheaper, and this shouldn't affect the warranty. But i don't know that for sure.
If that's the only problems on a first generation performance EV, sign me up now😂
小米汽车刹车片日常使用是没有任何问题，在刚发布的时候，已经有人做过测试，刹车盘踩的通红依然有很好制动性能。
问题是很多视频博主使用这款日常的刹车系统，去赛道上进行极限运动和测试，这对于家用车刹车系统绝对是灾难。以至于发生了很多事故
@@1024. Exactly.
@@1024. Thanks for explaining. SU7 won't be a problem for me then, as I have no desire for "极限运动和测试"! Part of the problem may be that Xiaomi emphasised that SU7 is intended to be a "driver's car", and may have inadvertently encouraged unrealistic driving behaviour! Thanks again.
Man, what a nice review. It lacked the charging testing though.
"Charging test" too many variables, especially since where I am the temp could be up to 40 degrees.
One thing I learned is that if the car is not marketed as a track car, and you don’t know what it takes to drive fast other then pressing the gas pedal, then don’t take it to the track, period.
Even for performance oriented cars, I would recommend having someone who knows their stuff examining the entire brake system before you go. Take the new M4 for example, many people don’t know that there is a cover in the front wheel arch that you should remove to open the channel which leads to an intake at the front bumper to cool the brake rotors. And because of the fact that the new M4 is brake by wire, the system automatically adjusts the pressure on the callipers by computer, hence it is really hard for amateur drivers to realize that the brakes are over heating until total failure.
This is not a problem just for Xiaomi, it is just a problem that is becoming increasingly common due to EVs in general introducing power figure that was obviously reserved for selected few in the not so distant past, but at a much more accessible price. And therefore, you get more drivers who have no respect for speed and power, handling the kind of power that they are not supposed to possess.
I was talking about how insane it is that the Xiaomi SU7 ultra is gunna costs as little as it does for a legit 1500hp. And even if it has ceramic brakes…that just means the brakes will resist fade, but you still need to know what you are doing.
Greate review! Sth. important I had to mention is: top tie auto parking system, and heat resistance glass of sunroof.
Tesla also had issues with Brembo Brakes
Brembo is OEM parts supplier. they make brake based on OEMs specification.
The brake pads are what people were complaining about specifically. The calipers are Brembos not the pads.
The SU7 ultra broke the Nurburgering record not the max. The ultra has carbon ceramic brakes and is designed for the track whereas the su7 max is marketed as a sporty family sedan. Also Xiaomi has offered customers a free brake upgrade for the su7 max which is worth 550 usd. The 4 piston brembo brakes are more than sufficient for normal use because the regenerative braking on an EV does close to 50% of the braking. The Chinese youtubers who crashed them (only 2 have crashed due to braking failures out of 120000 sold this year) both said that the brakes were sufficient for road use and the one said that the car warned him minutes before the failure but he kept pushing it in order to break his record around the track which was stupid. The Tesla model S plaid also had brake failures around the track and that car has double the power with small brakes. If you track any normal car and push it the brake pads will wear out and the brake fluid will boil, this is common sense. People are just uninformed about the situation.
So what I said then? lol.
Yes the Ultra set the NBR record, but I didn't say the MAX did. The Ultra was still under wraps when this was recorded.
I said Xiaomi had several adverts around with it on track. Ofc there are disclaimers, ofc no one reads them. ofc road brakes are not designed for high track work.
The problem supposedly is not the callipers but the pads themselves. In the pin comment you will see I wrote about the upgrade package that was introduced around or just after i finished shooting this.
Xiaomi originally offered a paid upgrade for dealership install, which consists of brake fluid and pad upgrades. They may very well be offering it as free now. I haven't checked since I recorded this.
@ChinaDriven sorry I'm not talking about what you said in the video, I'm just pointing out misconceptions I've seen surrounding the braking system. Your video was thorough and I enjoyed it 😅
@ChinaDriven I did read your comment before. Sorry this wasn't a criticism of the video and yes the marketing is a little bit misleading so I totally agree with that. I'm just pointing out some things I've read online 😂😅
No Problem. I tried to address the brakes subject as succinctly as possible in the video. But even with me saying it was about the brake pads, the amount of comments about Brembo callipers shows people either didn't pay attention or don't understand brake components.
I've see Chinese social media talk about how the xiaomi they are heavily chamfered, and they are, more so then any other OEM pad i've seen. This ofc will reduce brake squeal, but it also reduces pad contact surface area.But I don't think this is really part of the "problem." The fact the pads are disintegrating also points to the pads composition, which I suspect are soft for road use, and fail under sustained high heat, like track work.
I just wanted to point out both sides. Road brakes generally aren't designed for track use but on the other hand, If you constantly have ads showing your car on track don't be surprised when people take it to the track then moan about shortcomings of track performance.
Xiaomi basically admitted the lack of braking performance for track but offering the upgrade, specifically aimed at the pads and replacing brake fluid for high temp brake fluid. As I said in the video, at the end of the day, buy the Xiaomi SU7 MAX, its seriously cheap for the performance and pay another $3-4K for a full big brake kit, pads, fluid and stainless steel lines and its still a performance bargain! But I suspect, better pads, stainless steel lines and high temp brake fluid will be more than enough for most people.
@ChinaDriven yes I agree 100%. I'm hoping the car eventually comes to South Africa so I can buy it 😂. I know the car is manufactured by BAIC and of the BAIC cars I've felt have been decent quality so I expect the same from the SU7. Obviously I am speaking from what I've seen, getting behind the wheel will allow me to come up with my own opinions.
Keep going!
100% agree with you on everything. 😅
Perfect haha
Nice review. I like it and I would buy one, only in yellow mind you! Despite being in China I would also prefer an English UI.
Yes English UI would be nice, but obviously this is not a priority for them right now. And even those cars/OEMs with english UIs didn't launch with them. So it may come further down the line, at least this car, unlike the majority, comes with Apple carplay and android auto which could be used while you wait.
Wish to own one for daily drive ❤
Failproof brakes should never be an optional IMO.
I can't wait to see their 2nd/3rd gen cars - the big boys will be sweating.
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Xiaomi can add an optional brake upgrade option to their lineup.
They could do. I think just a brake pad upgrade option would be enough.
@@ChinaDriven Xiaomi just offered a brake pad and brake oil upgrade for 4000 RMB.
Yes I saw that too
I respect this car so much despite it being unsafe.
Why ? Beacause it looks amazing !! It’s fast it has amazing tech and most importantly it’s cheap unlike the overpriced European cars. For that despite the flaws I respect it so much
Why is it "being unsafe"? Because you cannot drive it like on track and not crash? Isn't it illegal to drive it that way on public roads?
Amazing car. We want this in India but they will probably sell for twice the price negating their insanely good value for money proposition.
I'm not so up to speed on the situations of imports into India, but I think i read you have quite high import tariffs. The best hope is Xiaomi decide to go localised production. But I don't see that happening anytime soon.
For some reason the underglow lighting is popular again with the young crowd. Just now with led's. So technically it is "a thing" again.
Oh for sure. otherwise Xiaomi wouldn’t have just made it “hoping” people would buy it.
How will you rate the soundproofing, likewise the range and compared to the Zeekr 007 handling and driving feedback.. 😊😊
The zeekr 001 is more comfortable. The Xiaomi Su7 is better driving dynamics. The Zeekr 001 is good but its heavy and feels heavy. For the soundproofing, its been too long since i've drivne the zeekr 001. I can't remember...
@@ChinaDriven hopefully you get to test the zeekr 007, byd leopard 5, lotus Eletre & Emeya
Surely that's something they would now be onto with Brembo, Brembo are responsible for their brake systems as they would be on any other manufacturers vehicle if they weren't doing the job expected from them. I'm certain this issue has possibly already been redressed at the time of this video.
If the car cost 5 times more the owners may be reluctant to take the car to the race track to test the brake to failure?
chinese consumers are just freakazoids now when it comes to new tech in general, esp when it's from a top domestic brand. e.g. shooting rifles on huawei mate60pro's to test its kunlun glass's extreme durability, even driving cars over it to see if it breaks, driving byd u8 on waters. basically just too extreme testing on national brands bc maybe they are already fed up with the image in the past that chinese products have been breaking down easily, etc. and they want to prove otherwise. in this xiaomi su7 case, i think many users really abused the brembo brakes too much by testing the braking distance and averaging more than 20+ tests to confirm the 33ish m result on paper. ofc others found this absurd bc you never do this to a toyota or an iphone just to prove a point but that's about it.
The brake failures were due to the brake pads not the brembo supplied callipers. And the videos of the pads disintegrating were mainly on track usage. Many claiming they weren't lasting for more than a lap.
Xiaomi is already offering brake pad and brake fluid upgrades to owners. So they've kind of admitted that the pads are not up to standard inline with the cars performance.
@@ChinaDriven Come on, the fact of the matter now is that there are people who have gone up to 270KM/H in Russia in an SU7, and there are people who still maintain a 33m braking distance in China after braking a dozen times in a row. And you are saying SU7's brakes are faulty because of a track accident, put away your prejudice
what prejudice? MULTIPLE videos of brake PADS disintegrating on track on Chinese social media. It's not prejudice to talk about it, and as I stated in the video, on road I had no problem with them.
The fact that Xiaomi is now offering upgraded pads and fluid should be clue enough that the reports of those pad failures has some merit.
And as I stated quite clearly, people shouldn't be expecting stock brakes to handle hard track work. I was EXTREMELY balanced and fair in my summary of the issue that has been reported...what more do you want from me?
@@ChinaDriven At the end of the day this car is a family car and LEI has said not to drive the SU7 at the track.
And your logic is ridiculous, launching a track kit =admitted that the pads are not up to standard inline with the cars performance.
However the fact is that Xiaomi's brakes have no problems on a daily basis
I don't see the need for Xiaomi to launch these things because 3rd party manufacturers will do it. They could have made people buy SU7 ULTRA too, but they still listened to their users and did this.
I don't want to discuss this anymore, it's time for me to sleep, I just think if you want to be a well known car blogger you should be careful with your words to avoid legal risks.
Oh man, you live in Changsha? I am a su9 max owner in this city too.
I do! For a long time
There is not a single car on this planet which is perfect besides mine! Oh...wait, i don't have a car!
Your headline caught my attention so I kept on viewing it to see what the big problem was. In the end I was disappointed. You had me fooled!😂. That was reverse psychology and you had me turned into a true believer of SU 7. Sign me up if we are lucky enough to get them over here at home.
I mean the brake pad problem is a kind of big problem hahaha. But the point was it's kind of blown out of proportion.
Ok Ngl but the underglow is cool asf
I noticed many videos on this car are outside shots only. 😂😂😂
Hmm, can't be that bad a car. No less than Ford CEO Jim Farley has had one as his daily driver for a few months and he doesn't want to give it back to Ford, who bought it.
@@ramblerandy2397 it’s a very fun car to drive. I’d daily one.
Light under your car is illegal in the Netherlands so its a nice option but if you want to have that in the Netherlands you cant drive with it
Are the production car certified to be driven like maniac on the track? That is not a normal use case. Would the breaks fail driving on normal roads
answered both in the video
Edit: Seems the original comment changed a little. In the video I clearly stated that brakes for road going cars are made for on-road performance, and it’s unreasonable to assume they can keep up with on-track demands.
And I stated anyone who tracks a car knows you need to at least upgrade the brake pads, brake fluid and even better the brake lines to stainless steel.
However on the flip side. Xiaomi enjoyed a lot of viral ads and videos they put out of the SU7 Max on track. Of course there are small disclaimers, but we know in reality people don’t read such information. So it wasn’t surprising to see people take than to the track emulating what they had seen online only to have brake problems. That was obviously going to happen because people are dumb. Lol
the SU7 seems to have all the ingredients to be a fantastic car.
power. range. ergonomics. design. torque.
also double wishbone 2-chamber air suspension and multi-link rear suspension.
so it *should* handle really well on...say... UK B-roads. but does it?
there's so much more to a Porsche Taycan than just the acceleration and top speed.
perhaps not 5 times as much.
but the price of a pre-owned one that's practically new tells us where the market sees the real value, and that's MUCH closer to the SU7
Its dynamics are very good. Ofc a porsche is more competent, but carries a price tag for that.
In Europe when?
Don't have any information on European entry for the SU7. I've heard unconfirmed rumours that they may take the upcoming SUV first.
Never, the EU won’t allow us to have affordable quality cars.
A good deal for real!
Wondering if the car will come to Europe??😊- If so at what price??
it’s meant to come to Europe but European pricing hasn’t been announced
that ending remark hahahah
Like that? hahahahaha
They should have worked with Xpeng Motors, and others to begin improving everything they could improve and not do mistakes as they did, with some material damages... They proposed nice things, that Porsche and other brands should use, but were not recognized globally for what they did effectively...
XPENG is the one that needs to be saved. LMAO
The truth is that XPENG didn't have any good sales in China, they missed too many things.P7 didn't have a timely facelift and replacement, but instead launched many cheap EVs to pull down the brand image, and in the end, these cheapies didn't bring any sales......Back then they started to imitate MODELY and launched the G6 ...... and the G9 which was delayed delivery and beaten by LI AUTO ...... they missed so much that they are already on the verge of going down from the poker table ...... the best thing that could have happened to them is that they were bought by Xiaomi, the Because XPENG received a lot of investment from LEI JUN aka Xiaomi's CEO from the early days of their business ......
Xiaomi needs to change the brake caliper. Big body but small pads.
It's supposedly not the caliper. But was the brake pads themselves. Very soft for road use, couldn't handle sustained high heat. But thats kind of normal for many road brake pads.
they now offer free upgrade for pads and brake fluid
The Icarus metaphor is misplaced. Yes, the mythical Icarus and the extant Xiaomi share a certain cockiness but Icarus died and despite inadequate forethought on Xiaomi's part (that affected very few people) Xiaomi's cars are as popular as ever. Icarus was cocky and foolhardy, viz. unjustifiably cocky, but Xiaomi's cockiness was more justifiable - there was real engineering there but it fell a bit short for SU7 owners taking their cars to a racing track. Evidently Xiaomi is accepting the responsibility to upgrade the brakes which doesn't mean that the SU7 MAX becomes a track car.
This car makes Trump cry 😭
Ο Ίκαρος δεν ήταν μύθος αλλά προφητεία. Όπως αποδέχεται ο κόσμος άλλες προφητείες άλλων θρησκειών, έτσι και στον δωδεκάθεο μιλούσαν για θεούς και ημίθεους που είχαν ένα χαρακτηριστικό και θα εφαρμόζονταν στο μέλλον.
i hope it comes to the uk. the price is a bargain. but I'm guessing with taxes and added costs the price will increase but still a bargain
yes right now Chinese EVs abroad are priced way higher than their Chinese market prices.
So is the car safe? Is the car good for daily drive? Is it worth it? (And by that I don't mean - it's cheap so it can also suck.)
@@NiMareQ I wouldn’t be concerned about the brakes on road. But Xiaomi has offered a pad and brake fluid upgrade if owners want it.
I’d daily this EV for sure. Rides well but it’s on the sportier side ride wise. But it’s not harsh. It doesn’t feel super cheap. But like I said some of the materials are plastic. But that’s the trade off for the driving dynamics you get for this price.
Obviously it’s a new car from a new brand so I can’t speak to reliability or how it will hold up long term.
Why is Icarus black
he flew too close to the sun
hahaha, brilliant observation.
Hmm, i like the back and taillights, but hey, it's all personal taste.
Beauty of personal preference. Which is good otherwise every car would look the same...
Red is for Chinese good luck 😂😂😂
hey man xpeng 007 new is much better space back hatchback style open boot and both is good ofc su7 max is faster.
@@unexplainedwearenotalone3537 I assume you are talking about the new Xpeng P7+ ? We will be driving it before its full launch.
Drive any ev also means early balding tires. This is the drivers fault though
I am 182cm tall. The site position sucks both for driver and passagner at back. The floor is so high like most ev. Seat lack support for your thigh.
这车能卖到美国吗？
我想不能卖。但是我不是美国人。
Of course, the vice president of Ford bought one. If you like this car, I can help you buy it.
Where is the apple car? Brembo brakes? Italian? I do like this Xiaomi. And better than...
Looks wise it's more a copy of an Xpeng P7. 😊
Love the P7
@@ChinaDriven So do I
Why a cargo bin to go into another cargo bin (frunk) to make it smaller?
I think two reasons. One you can remove it and clean it easier. And secondly it makes the shape more uniformed
I’m waiting for xiaomi to make hypercar with “inspiration” from porsche 918 or something
The Xiaomi SU7 Ultra coming soon
Yes, I wonder if we'll get the full fat version they showed off for the Nurburgring. Perhaps a range of them. Maybe a RWD with one of those V8S motors, one of those alone has 578hp & 635Nm...reckon that would be quite good fun!
@@ChinaDrivenyep, rear wheel drive 2 V8s at the rear, and maybe 2 doors coupe shape (maybe they could “borrow 911 design?🤤), Ultimate weekend machine
@@cocoaiscool2709 That would be a 1156hp rwd car, with an instantaneous 1270Nm, a "blink your eyes widow maker" hahaha
@@ChinaDriventhat’s nut
Definitely won't be coming to Ireland, all we ever get is paddy spec run of the mill cars.
There isn’t really any roadmap from Xiaomi of taking its EVs abroad yet…
It is always Icarus for Americans if it is from China.
Well I'm not American...but I thought the Icarus reference tied in nicely with the concerns of the Su7 after launch on Chinese social media.
Good gosh that thing is 41,000 usd, and would wipe out the market easily.
In China outside of China though their still inferior to tesla evs are 50-100% MORE. And good luck ever getting any service done on it!
The Aliexpress of sports cars
Throwaway
The car is definitely aging better than this racist prejudice vacuous comment.
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Western countries will find new reason to ban this car now. Even if they put 100 percent tariff they are still cheap. 😂. Western countries capitalism and globalization is only until the west is profitable but now when they are losing money they started taxing .. 😂
So what's the criticism ?
Issues reported with "thin paint," build quality issues with the front fender panels which seems to pop off.
And the biggest and latest is brake pads disintegrating (albeit from track use.) But as I explained in the video, although the performance of the pads only need to handle on-road performance demands, brake pads disintegrating in a single track lap still feels quite poor. And I think consumers were not impressed because how much advertisement showed the SU7 on track, and the amount the performance was talked about.
This has prompted discussion on chinese social media talking about companies shoving so much power into these EVs, but neglecting the braking performance.
@@ChinaDriven aren’t these the same brakes on European luxury and super cars ?
@@kevbrown1867 So brembo is a brake manufacturer and will design or sell calipers/brakes to OEMs. The actual issue with the brakes is not the caliper housing but the actually brake pads. They seem to be super soft to reduce brake squeal. But this means they don’t last long.
Normally on road EV brake performance is a mixture of brake regeneration and physical braking using the pads. On track you can imagine people are turning off or turning down brake regen and the pads just don’t hold up to continuous high temp high pressure.
@@ChinaDriven 非常中肯的观点！
@@ChinaDriven So basically any family sedan that is taken to the track and ran like a F1 car would probably blow out their brakes as well
The brake story was a fabrication by competitors. Brembo brakes are best in class used by many other manufacturers. More lies from Big Oil
Its brake pads not brake calipers that failed.
With Chinese products, YOU do the R&D and QC. When there's enough complaints and feedback, they make changes.
Your ideas are outdated about Chinese products. Domestically there has been a big push to increase quality of products in the last 8 years.
So I’d say it’s really not generally true that Chinese domestically produced products are poor quality. And we can see that with the crash test safety scores in the Europe NCAP. 5 Stars, topping the list in most cases.
Very interesting car. Seems to have build quality issues similar to Tesla. Would be competitive with the M3P for sure, but with a battery better than the long range model... wow. Wish it was sold in the USA
yea but isnt there like 100% tariffs for chinese cars in the US
They have "supplier quality issues similar to Tesla" (Who also used Brembo brakes.... and if you check, they are used by..... Ferrari, so you MIGHT think that a new manufacturer would be quite responsible in specifying "The company that supplies Ferrari" ?
That being the case, Is the problem with the car manufacturer?
I imagine they provide the weight of the vehicle, performance specs and Request that Brembo provide a suitable sytem from Hydraulics, to pads and discs?
Old news. Didn't hear about the Su7 Ultra? Fastest 4 door sedan in the world, around NUrburgring, 0-100 kph in 1.98'. $114,000. Do try to keep up, laddie.
LOL. I referenced the SU7 Ultra in this video...this video was uploaded a couple of months ago.
The Ultra unveiled this month. I'm up to date on everything EVs. I'll no doubt see it at Guangzhou Auto on Friday.
When you buy a car from TEMU.
Instead of copying a Taycan, they copied a tin can.
wrg
All Chinese cars seems to amazing. Until they bring them to west and all is mediocre at best.
Some features are not able to be offered. OS systems are changed to be compatible with Google services, ADAS features reduced.
But which Chinese EVs do you think are only mediocre in the West?
짝퉁 포르쉐 ㅋ
Free Tibete!!!
673 hp and top speed 210 km/h..!, Car from the company
Škoda Octavia diesel 115 hp goes 212 km/h according to GPS. This "Xiaomi" looks like a Ford Taurus 3 generation from 1996, especially at the back.
@@nurnberg1561 265kph for the max versions. But EVs are known to generally have lower top speeds. It’s just a weakness of single gear EV motors
First 2 minutes of video not needed. This is not top gear.
Thank you for sharing your opinion. It’s wrong but thanks anyways 😂
What do you mean "... or a poser"?
Isn't it true that 98% of Tesla3 Performance drivers bought the car because they couldn't afford penis enlargement surgery?
Still behind Ioniq 5/6 from Hyundai... hyped crap.
dont agree with the rear lights
It's fine to disagree. Beauty is subjective, and we if we all liked exactly the same things car design would be very boring.
Tesla has Quality issues cheap quality 💩
Tesla specifies Brembo brakes.... So does Ferrari.
Brake failure on racing tracks ..... Hahaha .... Those people should buy Ferrari and spend value of Xiaomi for a few laps and still potentially have a brakes failure for crazy money .....
yes it's a bit silly.
Which brand of brakes does Ferrari use?
Take a guess.
@@rogerstarkey5390 Brembo is an OEM parts supplier. Meaning they supply brakes to the manufacturers specifications.
People have moaned Xiaomi are way under sized. But the issue on track seems to stem from the pads.
That's an awesome car. The Chinese are coming, hard.
Im gonna go w/ bubbles purge instead 2 remind ice cars 2 chill & not race an ev bc they'll loose!😙🫧🫧
It has just been caught testing in Barcelona with ccs charge port, 340kw charging speed