Lord Houghton argues that Ukraine should not negotiate a peace with Russia that it does not want
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Lord Houghton speaks in opposition of the motion that This House Believes Ukraine Should Negotiate with Russia to End the War Now.
This is the final speech of six.
Lord Houghton is the former Chief of the Defence Staff of the British Army. Following his retirement, he was appointed Constable of the Tower of London in 2016. He left the role in 2022 and sits in the Lords as a crossbench peer. #debate #debates
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Russia has realized it is not the military superpower it imagined itself to be. A massive miscalculation that will cripple Russia for generations. Now its desperately hoping that its enemies will just lose interest, give up, and hand it victory.
Where have you been the last 2 years, it is a superpower and more, Nato turns out to be a miscalculation, US and EU are bankrupt economically as well as military.
You are correct. Putin's only path to victory is to appeal to the American public to give up their support. That's why he got on Tucker Carlson's show the other week. The Russian military won't determine the outcome if the Ukrainian forces are even minimally supplied.
Or being the world's largest WMD holder, it could test one and have everyone else pissing in their pants on the though of MAD senerio
The comedy is when someone states Putin's intentions that he didn't even mentioned. Magical telepathy? Is it reasonable to make conclusions based on this nonsence?
It's presumably a supposition; no-one knows the mind of Poo-tin.
@@googleuser2609 "Poo" situation can appear when decisions based on the things that no one knows
One does not need to be too intelligent to see through putin and people like him. He's transparent, and you defending him is disgusting
@@willowhero Go to the facts, read Istanbul papers and then come back ! Warmongering based on assumptions taken from propaganda is disgusting !
My one question for Lord Houghton is if there is a nuclear confrontation with Russia over Ukraine, is it worth it to have a Nuclear War over Ukraine? This scenario will come sooner than most people think.
This war is extremely similiar to "what if Munich agreement didn't happen" but we decide we should still allow it to happen after wasting thousands of lives. If we know that immediate resignation was wrong and Ukraine should defend itself and the West then why after paying such a big price we should do something wrong?
Why are pro-russian ideology concerning this war even allowed in the comment section?
shut up war monger
Democracy, freedom of speech?
Putin underestimated such a massive western support that Ukraine will receive so rightly believed that he can defeat it sooner in a mostly one to one contest. Both of his assumption turned wrong. With its new war strategy it is now certain that Russia will win over Ukraine if NATO will not directly enter into this war.
Uhm and this supposed assumption of his, where did he voice them? Or you presume to know his thinking? NATO was long warned, Ukraine is and will ever be a red line for Russia. It has always been known in the west, but it was used in the hope of using Ukraine to weaken Russia militarily so that the Russian “threat” in Europe is dealt with so the US can direct the west in its real desire to confront the rising China. They thought by provoking this war, while lining up crashing economic sanctions and political isolation of Russia in global stage should see off the defeat of Russia. Non of the 3 has worked, Russia is growing powerfully militarily, far outproducing the west in military weapons, while at the same time it’s economy is growing AND the no west countries are on its side despite the west’s pressure to condemn and isolate Russia. BRICS is expanding, the rich Middle East countries have joined BRICS and 30 more countries want to join it still.
In the meantime, NATO military stocks have been emptied, they have no more weapons to send to Ukraine, while at the same time their economies are in recession except the US, and they have lost credibility in the world stage because of the Israeli Gaza war. So essentially this war spells the demise of the west because if you look closely, All the countries with natural resources have allied themselves with Russia. Eg Africa, Middle East, Brazil, Asia (China India Indonesia),
@@brighton1880 There was no Russian “threat” in Europe, it was created by US military industrial complex and its agents to force Europeans to fall at the feet of US and buy more Arms/Gas from US
When did this fella get his brief?
Awfully dated information.
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Certainly Ukraine should not start peace negotiations until it loses Odessa and Nicolaev. What remains of Ukraine should not have sea access, for obvious post-war balance reasons.
Who's his comedian son?
Mr Houghton is true when saying Ukraine should decide. But I wonder why he didn't say this also when Russia and Ukraine agreed already in March 2022 to a peaceful solution of the war (Istanbul papers) and USA/UK called Zelensky back to the battlefield !!! The war would have ended already 1 month after the beginning without Boris Johnson's interfering! So please stop warmongering talk and interference in other countries business !
The propaganda of another war monger, the opinions of a politician. Where is the evidence to support his argument. I wonder what his opinion was of the Iraq 🇮🇶 war, what about Afghanistan.
Go home, spammer. How did you even find this channel
@@willowhero What problem do you have with truth?
He is either completely clueless or he's lying through his teeth. In reality Macron and Lloyd Austin are panicking. Zelenskyy regime is on its last legs and it will unlikely survive until the end of the year. Well, it's a quote from The Time article. Zelenskyy top advisers say about him: “He deludes himself, ” one of his closest aides tells me in frustration . “We’re out of options. We’re not winning. But try telling him that. It is immovable, verging on the messianic.” One Austrian artist was in a similar state in 1945. Zelenskyy "achievements" to date: 500,000 Ukrainians are dead, 3x that mangled and crippled for life, half of Ukraine's population is living as refugees scattered all over Europe and Russia right now, they're drafting women because they've run out of men to kidnap off the streets, gyms and public transport. NYT wrote about these mass kidnappings that were happening only in Zelenskyy Ukraine and Hitler's Germany in 1945 in an article ‘People Snatchers’.
Just another 3 days to victory, comrade!
Ah yes, the same MacGregor-tier garbage we've been hearing since day one. Actually before day one when your kind was telling us we're brainwashed for believing Russia will invade.
Also, I'd like to know the origin of this ridiculous 500k KIA claim, all the schizos have been repeating it lately.
Agreed. You'd have to live under a rock to not realize Ukraine is losing. I don't know about 500,000 dead, but I've seen 450,000 wounded or dead - which might be the number you're citing. The casualties (dead and wounded) are like 1000/day, which is on par with WWI. At that level of attrition, the country with the bigger population and the military industrial complex is going to win (eventually). Without Western support, I think the war would be over in weeks in Russia's favor. So, negotiation might be the only way out for Ukraine that is not total occupation or further obliteration of their population, industry, economy and landscape.